Me
I'm very concerned about several of the probing questions that Austin has started asking me from an OOC standpoint that leads me to belive he is plotting the demise of the garou with ooc intentions and planning to incoporate all of his IC characters.. I have nothing fully concrete but I have enough for my judgemnt now I know hes your brother and I know that at the end of the day your history with him will always supercede what I bring to the game but I also wont share staff or a game with someone who metagames so grossly
You can always talk to me man about anything, you can always reach out to me for comptuer help
but.. I wont play at FN as long as Austin is there in a position where he can just waltz in and try and fuck up multiple plots, players, and an entire gameline all while grossly metagaming.

Ryan
I wouldn't doubt your suspicions at all, really. Austin is known for getting a little over-zealous and carried away, though I wouldn't have him in any potentially depreciating capacity as such without confidence that he'd be kept in check or easily reigned in. I understand your presumption that I would favor personal bias for my brother's part over non-family rationale, however you're mistaken in such regards and perhaps unbeknownst of the fact that at this point, you're family as well so far as I'm concerned. While I'm not mad or anything, I should still mention that of my administrators, I do have a certain standard of expectations that I don't fault you for not somehow psychically knowing already. I expect them to give the process and to say the least, myself, the opportunity to rectify any potential issues and to make any corrective actions or adjustments deemed necessary if & when brought to my attention. I'm don't like to ever hear of anyone especially in a management position's decision of handling any perceived problem by refusing to play if and/or when someone else is, though hearing about such is far less of an issue for me than actually seeing it demonstrated in direct application. I just think it reflects poorly on my decision-making through my choice of staff members, but I wouldn't take any of that out of context as anything more than just being informative to you on my part. As an experience veteran, I'd prefer you to shoot straight as possible with Austin when probably necessary with the understanding in mind that I'm hoping to help him grow into a good roleplayer, storyteller and channel admin. I don't expect that to happen over night, of course, but given the lack of personal initiative in staff members in general and the amount that he does possess, I feel I've kinda had to work with the tools the good lord gives me in this instance for a while. If people are beating dead horses, arguing unnecessarily or bickering over book-Nazi stuff at the expense of entertainment experience, I do allot Austin's probability of shutting that shit down some proper girth irregardless of whether his decisions in those cases are by the book or not, but when it comes to appropriation of cannon setting, guidelines or experiential particulars to be taken into consideration, I also expect him to defer to our veterans, in this case being you, for example, as opposed to potentially pissing everybody off irrevocably due to unrealistic dumbassery and other shenanigans that I'm certainly not ignorant of his potential for inciting, if that hopefully puts things into better perspective from my end. I'm glad you brought it to my attention, of course, and regardless of my explanations, am in no way mad or disappointed in you over any of it. I'm just hoping that gives you a better picture of your standing and capacity in these aspects. When it comes down to it, I will get more pissed in particular with no small measure of personal bias if people are disrespectful to my people regardless of whatever the issue is, but in most if not every case nonetheless, I favor decisions based on what's best and right for the channel to the best of my capacity and only deviate from them usually when it seems like there's a bigger picture necessary to consider.

ME
I am driving I will give you a response when I get back to work

ME
Please do not take my lack of action this month and last month as a lack of initiative, work has been kicking my ass as we have been preparing for a massive migration for the one of the projects at my facility.  today is the culmination of all of that project and the last day we are doing anything for the migration.  I am going to be back around and back active here really soon.  I have always been around to respond to questions on rules philosophies and game theory as well as I have stepped in and handled issues between players even while I have not actively been running plot.  one thing a lot of people do not realize about me, I grew up with a desire to be in the army that was my life goal and it was a goal that I have achieved albeit for a shorter time than I wanted.  however the seven core army values are still guiding principles to my life, I am at an impasse right now because two of The guiding principles of my life are right now in contention with one another.  Integrity vs. Loyalty... I am loyal to the channel I am loyal to the player base I am loyal to yourself as the channel founder and lead administrator.  However my integrity is at an impasse right now, because there's a fellow member of the team that I do believe and this I am not saying lightly is currently in the planning to try and wipe out the entire garou player base, he has been asking questions in such a way that leads me to believe he is plotting to bring in an elder gangrel who is a member of the camarilla and a justicar of the inner circle who is going to work with the Giovanni as well as the mages to attempt to steal the power of the sept and carne.  I've explained how this is impossible to him, I have explained how a vampire would never attempt this, I also explained how kindred do fight against werewolves, that it is never an open confrontation because they know in an open confrontation and war they lose.  and on every step of the way he is try to rebut me and try to bring up other aspects that might make it possible.. my final line with that line of questioning was as follows.
His entire focus with me has been soley dedicated to trying to take the "power" of the garou

Ryan
I figured I ought to have mentioned earlier that I wasn't implicating you any when I mentioned the initiative lacking in our channel staff, but quite the contrary on your part given the overall base for comparison. Indeed, loyalty to me is more pertinent than everything given the patterns of complications I've demonstrated enough times over the past already, though not at all for purposes of preferential treatment, cliques, favoritism, security blankets or personal comfort zones on my own part either so much as propriety, efficiency and accountability purposes that I can trust my better judgment is as best as reasonably possible demonstrated for our player base and as example to our staff base as well, notwithstanding consistency and overall effective operation and channel management in general. I just mainly hope to impress however that I strongly encourage you and everyone, especially management to strive not to be presumptuous towards resignation into notions of inevitable inadequacies. There should never be any contest between loyalty and integrity on your part without expectation of it having at least been taken into objective consideration at respectable lengths on my own once brought to my attention. No problem in our channels should ever be perceived as anything much bigger than we make it ourselves, and as channel leadership, it's highly important to me that we strive to demonstrate our grasp on that perspective. Nothing is worth getting upset over there, or at least very very little and that's not to say I'm insinuating you are upset or overly worked up about anything at all, but definitely worth mentioning in tandem with all that.
Austin can easily be reigned in and his delusions of grandeur ooc really don't amount to much in aspects of any actual application to "reality" IC at least in this instance and occasionally in others except for any more than anyone convinces themselves otherwise. I allow him the capacity to affect things somewhat unrestricted, but only with mutual awareness in mind that it is entirely subject to change as everything is when taken into account by more experienced admins in the know or myself of course. I do believe reiterating that a more direct, if not blunt approach to things might produce more fruitful results in general as a rule of thumb, but that's not to discourage bringing things to my attention either. Indeed, of the things (if not -the- thing) I feel is most needed right in our channel right now is for those empowered with any authority to maintain an open channel of communication, especially with me as it is. I'm not going to let him or anyone ruin the channel or degenerate our setting, plot or ic/ooc communities into lameness or stupidity, though I can hardly prevent anyone from jumping to conclusions that it will or has based from any given number of potential or apparent factors. I understand your concerns here though and agree that they must needs be dealt with and they shall be dealt with. Given your own measure of initiative, I would that still opt to adopt or maintain the mindset that Austin, despite his occasional lapses of rationale or other shortcomings, is rather a pupil or manager/storyteller-in-training, hopefully without preset determinations or expectations overly derived from prior observations thus far. The main thing I'd want folks at your capacity to keep in mind is that nothing and/or no one can or will get any more out of control than we allow it to, even if it may seem otherwise at any given moment. No mistakes are irrevocable and cannot be rectified hardly shy of anyone rage quitting without allowing any chance for them to be at all, but I've a lot less fucks to give about such cases myself personally as I've seen too many other founders go to stupid extremes trying to play that song and dance routine at the expense of a lot of things, and I personally consider folks that impulsive and prone to getting butt-hurt over a gaming environment to be weak minded enough that I'm glad they get themselves out of the way and out of our atmosphere when they do anyhow. We got this shit. Count on it bro.

ME
I do fully understand and I respect your veiw on the matter, I did feel that my position as well as my concerns with Austin should be fully noted, perhaps I  should have not just jumped to me leaving the game.. however you must understand my perspective on the matter with where I veiwed him in the structure of things hell for the longest time until chantz came back I had thought him to be your second in command as we're his own words the concept that he is "in training" was not something that I had known.. hence when he refused to send his sheets into the repository that I had built the leadership to use and you have backed him on that it lead me to believe that any time him and I are at a disagreement that you would be taking his side.  All sheets are there even chantzs but I do not have any of yours or Austin's

Ryan
I understand where your coming from on that and am glad we got it clarified better. I didn't know Casius's sheet was in the archive to the best of my recollection though. There's usually good madness to my methods though not always expounded upon, but I'm such a inherent neutral lacking any give-a-fucks for saving face as to be brutally honest about my personal reservations. I can't foresee any potential possibility of me asserting anything unfairly or based from personal bias shy of anything regarding Hopey, but I'm upfront and honest about anything like that if even remotely aware of it to begin with. Austin's main characters are still pending direct approval in his instance, though would still be relative in comparison to Casius's as in that I have my reservations about any character sheets at such levels of power being at anyone else's direct disposal besides mine, really. I may have arrived at some other conclusion in the past for convenience sake and that's not to say I suspect that other approving ops might take advantage of that privy disposal, but any which way, there will always be that heavily ocd-influenced notion of propriety  subconsciously if nothing else that's such a methodical stickler for eliminating any fraction of a chance that someone could unfairly exploit that knowledge if the chance is even there, but that's not as big a deal right now as it may sound like anyhow. I'm rather loaded up on cold medicine, hydrocodone and coffee presently as is so it's not outside of the realm of possibility that I'm overlooking or overthinking anything on the matter to begin with.

ME
See, and that is where I do have a disagreement with you.  If you have an op or st you think might meta game the high powered characters knowledge than we remove there access however I think as staff we should be trusting of the other members of our team.  All of my characters including the garou leader are there as well the Cardnel to the sabbat is there.. I'm in the veiw this simply all sheets should have more than one person who has looked at them and can verify what's there because if there is a change or issue where someone is doing something they don't have access to.. that's cheap and chesting

Ryan
I'd be in total agreement with you myself reiterating that I have no reason to suspect abuse from anyone in that capacity, with the exception going back to that brutal unabashed honesty I mentioned and meticulousness that I do readily admit can be pretty excessive at times. At an unavoidably technical level, I don't really believe that any of us can absolutely be certain that whatever ethical standards any of us hold or have always hold are outside the realm of possibility for change at any time in the future, which is why on a highly scrutinized level, I naturally allot a decimal percentage chance that everyone has the capacity for exploitation in such regards, though again my present state of altered consciousness may be contributing to the notion I regard all that as any real big deal as opposed to a more general over-zealousness towards detail and particularity that I typically try to keep well reigned in. I guess the main thing though is the prevalent matter that since Final Nights, in particular was rather chaotically thrown into my lap to slap-patch together, so far as most character sheets or aspects of the channel altogether, everything has been a work-in-progress up to this point, and primarily serving as an abstract fundamental foundation to build upon up to right now, ironically enough as it is. I've only today got my own personal ideal of which specific characters of my own that I'm going to be actively engaged with and Majeb's sheet thus far in definitive specific final approval towards those ends. Everything prior has been universally considered to be temporary approval though no less valid in direct application for it regardless.

Me
See and with the sheet structure I am pushign those too, I can go in at any time and see when and what was edited
thus I can loop back and verify if it was done with ST ok or not

Ryan
I agree that's a good idea as a general rule of thumb, though the underlying issue I couldn't quite grasp earlier regarding the power-characters so far as 4th gen equivalent-ish goes isn't so much with regard for potential dramatic system exploitation but overall need-to-know character knowledge altogether. Especially on those power levels, there is potential for depreciation of genuine rp experience for people at that character level when they know all those details. There's less sense of intrigue and/or suspense or at least a reasonable realm of probability of such and also a potential for unfair insight into edges and spoilers that could effect entire major plot-lines or factions as a whole. In aspects of integrity or direct in-game system abuse potential however, that's more easily rectified and eliminated as those sorts of engagements would definitely get my direct attention before too long and come out in the wash in the logs regardless. That and such happenstances had ought to be rare enough as it is so as not to pose too much probability for complications in the general scheme of things. I really feel better about trusting our upper-level staff member's integrity to not exploit their character sheets personally in direct application than everyone at those approving levels than having such distinct and direct knowledge of our presumably most mysterious and powerful characters on top of everyone else as a whole, though it's really not so much about lack of trust on anyone's part at all as much as I feel it depreciates the overall fairness & experience allotment for anyone with characters on that level of power to begin with, especially when it's hard enough to genuinely intrigue or challenge them as it were.

Me
So; here is my question; Chantz and myself; plot deiscions we make as your no 2 and no3.. respectivly any push we make for the game Can we be sure that any desicion we make with the two of us in agreemnt is something that will stick Meaning that if we two both agree; that if your not arond and you come back you wont just change it? It gets hard when we plan and plot and make moves for plot only to have a full reverse course
Do you trust the two of us with your game to know that we have the game/players in the best of mind to ensure there is plot, progression, and drama in game that grows the channel. If we truly are your number two and three respectivly, I truthfully feel that the three of us togather have a weighted vote, but if two of the three are in agreemment nothing can overrule the 2/3rd majority of the channel admin staff Ryan, Chantz, Tiny
If we come to a majority desicion for the game, and the channel no one person can overrule that majority desicion

Ryan
Chantz would probably be more intimately aware of the reality and probability thereof. Even when the people not wearing training wheels whom I empower may be mistaken, I'm not in the habit of overruling them often at all. While that's still not outside of the realm of possibility, the likelihood is very marginal. I am not one to make a habit out of empowering people to make decisions then countermanding them a lot. I feel it reflects poorly on my own decisions and while I'm not one at all to give a fuck about what people personally think about me, I do give a lot of fuck about the effect that might have on the channel paradigm and experience for our player base and the rest of the staff altogether.
While I strongly don't anticipate much probability that I would veto you and Chantz's collective mutual agreement, however, I try not to overly stress or impress my still reserving the right for final say in all things irregardless. There are a lot of experiential factors taken into account in that which strongly have little to do with personal egotism or stubornness on my part which do relate to the reason that Chantz, whether actively around or involved whenever or not, if ever at all, is irrefutably my number two, though often expressed from my end as myself personally for all practical purposes. That comes from no measure of vanity or holier than thou attitude for so much as I truly believe when I say it does come from very real distinct quality and quantity of experience under both of our belts from foundership standpoints with highly successful channels though I can readily admit may not be so presently apparent. I do have an ideal, goals, expectations and a vision for the overall grand scheme of things, many of them at that. I'm highly critical about not wanting to yank the carpet out from people's feet who are really trying and contributing to my dream, being our rp community, setting & experience, but it was an exceptionally hard experience for me coming to grips with the necessity of me accepting that I am the founder for a very good reason in spite of my desire to make sure that people feel that I support their initiative and capacity to fill the roles I empower them to, if that helps to elaborate there very well.

Me
I fully understand what you are saying and the viewpoint you have that you are comng from; however please let me try and put this in a manner that makes sense.   We are prepping to move the game to boston by your word.. we had plots and storys all ready for that to happen, and than you came in and changed your mind.  Currently speaking as you know this as much as we do your med situation has gotten you sometimes all over the place..This is the Final Nights as you have put it, I cannot run potentially world breking and ending storylines with the knowledge that you could come in after its all said or done or almost done and decide thats not the direction you want to take it.. thus reversing everything we did.. I am of the veiw that if there are three tops to the game and two of the three make a desicion that it cant just be handwaved away and that any thing we do will result in a vote of the top three and that vote is binding. That is my sticking point, that is my line in the sand.. This game needs a council of three to keep everyone in check; including you I know you are the founder I know this is your game, but we need three voices that together drive the game and drive plot.. If at anytime there is a disagreement an issue with plot or an idea for a direction to take the game if 2 of the three voices are the same nothing can overrule that.

Ryan
I do respect your take on that and even understand it probably better than you imagine, especially knowing that only time and personal experience can most accurately convey the scope of justifiable confidence in my own particular capacity for being in my particular capacity nor the true scale of reasoning behind it. In the case with the move to Boston, I haven't changed my mind about it happening, though my decision not to do so as quickly as I initially anticipated was not only base from circumstances that were outside of my hands, but one I still strongly stand by as not taking those factors into account and prematurely moving on over would have only resulted in a compilation of chaotic circumstances that could have inevitably been really detrimental to our setting, plot line, progressive system, goals, player base and really both channels on whole. That's not me getting defensive, just elaborating. I don't have the luxury of time for much elaboration on my methods, vision, goals or reasons in a lot of aspects, but that's not to say that's so much the case in your particular regard in this instance either. While I stress enough Chantz's position as my acting #2, if not direct hand, voice and/or relative equivalent, that's not to imply you're really any less significant in your own right either. In fact, you're the most capable actively interested, involved and communicative person in a leadership role that I have which technically may make you all the more significant even. It's really far less pertinent gauging a definitive pecking order or base for comparison among management or what-if scenarios regarding potential conflicts of interest or decision-making between them, or at least ought to be at his and your level to say the least, than it is having, demonstrating and maintaining confidence that we are capable and will handle things in the best manner as possible. Definitively, you're outright the best I've got, but I also am assessing and evaluating your overall demonstrated capability of delegating and maintaining the authority, expectations and overall standard I'm shooting towards for anyone that fills that senior role. That's not me trying to put you under the magnifying glass, breath down your neck or scrutinize you, but while I can say hands-down that you've provided the most sustenance out of anyone in currently in our group right now, I'd almost rather it go without saying that I'm still striving to garner more experiential assessment of demonstrations and potential refinements toward my overall objective embodiment of the standards and capacity I've in mind for the position. Given who and what I've had to work with and my own incredibly consuming circumstances of late that I'm still not quite accustomed to yet considering the overall order of things throughout most of my life prior, I've been opting to favor flexibility and free-reign for monitoring just what anyone, if anyone at all does with it under their own volition. That monitoring has discretely been perhaps the largest major governing factor above anything reflecting on my own direct hands-on involvement in matters for over a year now. I've been a one man show enough and for long enough already, but I don't want anyone getting under the impression that this is more like a job than an entertainment outlet, that I'm going to be giving them attendance write-ups or especially out to cut anyone's feet out from under them when it's initiative, dedication, loyalty and even acceptance of my decisions without butt-hurt or unnecessary complication that I desire and require most of all, but irrefutably am neither demanding nor expecting at this stage given the almost disparaging lack thereof presented so far that I really hate to admit I've been provided thus far. I'm so far opposite of totalitarian versus understanding, flexible and empowering that it's any wonder I've any fucks to give about trying to insure no one gets under that impression but I do have goals. This is my dream. I do have a lot of substantial, if not incredibly profound accumulated experience base to more than validate that claim, but I wouldn't expect anyone who hasn't experienced or been witness to the fact to just take my word on it either. That's all something that will have to come in time, something that I know intimately we've got in great commodity in this community and is a testament to some of our player base, even a fair measure of it you've yet to meet or get acquainted with yourself, and the absolute confidence I have by long-term example of their enduring inevitability.. It might go without saying not to mistake me as getting defensive or worked up over the fact, but again it's because I want to make sure that anyone in your position, if anyone comprehends that to the best of my capacity to convey. I may be over-medicated or outright fucked-off occasionally, but that will invariably not detract from the fact that if I make a poor decision during such time that I you can practically bet your bottom dollar that I'll rectify it quicker than you've ever seen anyone in such capacity. I strive to be actively vigilantly aware of anything I've potentially overlooked, not taken into account or even any chance to remedy any mistakes on my part, especially when it comes to the best primary benefit and good of our channel and while I can scarcely impress the improbability of me smacking everyone down because I disagree with them, our channels, the forming and even revival of much of our community has is and has been both a longstanding dream and greater passion of mine that I'm incredibly open and even hopeful to share with others and provide ample opportunity for them to contribute to it, built upon it and make their own in practically every way as well, but it's through more than a credible measure of direct experience that I even reluctantly but invariable decided that I will not ever again compromise my final unequivocal authority capacity for ultimate say over that dream even in light of the fact that I'm probably the least likely to ever do so at least irrationaly or at all. That's not to be a dick or to even begin to imply that other leadership's decisions don't count or amount to much in the grand scheme, because I couldn't hardly impress in any more overkill of a fashion that certainly in fact do. What I don't have the time or care to impress is all the valid evidence and experiential data that's directly the basis of that fact nor probably ought waste any more time trying to, no intended offense, outside of direct demonstration that I'm more than certain you'll find in no short measure of abundance given enough time just still doing what your doing.

ME
Checks and balances; Compromise, working together, these are aspects of a team and community.  Ultimate power, Ultimate say, its my way or the high way.. these are not.  I cannot sit by and agree to support a system where no one has a check, no one has a balance out there Ryan.  I love the community that we are a part of.  But I cannot continue to be a part of that community if not all members of it are under a check and balance structure.  With no staff there is no game, with no players there is no game.. with no true check and balance system there is no potential because at the end of the day its your sandbox and you can destroy anyone sandcastle at anytime.   With no council I am not going to continue to be a part of the community, with no check and balance on all members of staff I will not be a part of the community.   I will always be your friend I will not attempt to snipe players but I have a vision and an idea that also I will not compromise where there are those checks and balances, and that all players feel like they matter. Nothing matters because one person can always come in and overwrite it.  I want to help the game grow, I want to see it continue on its rich history, but I will not do so if there is one ultimate power that to be fair and I do not say this lightly as I understand your going through your issues, but that ultimate power that I have maybe seen running one scene in my time here, and I have seen playing in no other scenes,  I have seen nothing of plot that has been added by you, nor have I ever had any true interactions with any of your characters, Ive seen one scene with gino and that is it.  I cannot sit by while that ultimate power is there lurking ready to swoop in at anytime, when that power does not have the ability to keep up to date on whats going on in his channel he is the founder of.  Can you name 4 different characters who are currently active and running?  Can you name 3 plot lines going on right now?  Can you name 5 players who have gone IC in the last week?   Thats my issue that ultimate power is absent, due to his own health issues but that power can swoop in and disrupt any current plot when he feels better to only disapear again.  I cannot sit by and agree to ultimate power held by one person for a community and joint effort. Ange, Derek.. Both left for a similar issue you came back and made changes.. How many ops, how many of the team has to come and go before you realize that this is part of the issue why others leave.. why they get fed up and decide to take their ball and go home.  One day everything is going fine and progressing and than you show up and make unilateral decisions without really conferring with your staff.. Why is Chantz mostly just here to oversee, hell he left for a time as he was not a fixture when I first got to the game.. Oliva when was the last time she did something, why did they check out?  Why did they decide to not be as active in the game?  You want to see it grow and see your vision sometimes to achieve that you have to be willing to share the load and the ability to make the final decision.   Ask your team, find out who else might be frustrated and have the same view as me.. PM Chantz and ask him.. what he thinks about this.. or does that answer scare you?

Ryan
I actually have a lot more vested interest in things than most anyone would directly know, but more ever am less likely than probably anyone in my position of being an uncompromising, inconsiderate irrational dictator, which is among the reasons I take into high accountability that I owe it to our established players, with no small regard for our veterans to not put their opportunity to have that at jeopardy again. The real evident fact that I favor understanding and looking for the higher picture over rash, reactive judgment or self-gratifying purposes really ought to be pretty blatantly obvious by now, especially how vehemently I've tried to make sure that if anything is understood by our player and staff-base about the attitude I embody and expect, it is wholeheartedly that fact on the count of everybody. It's no fluff when I say I'm far less likely to let my emotions control me than I am to maintain control over them in most every situation. Much more effort to express, demonstrate, advocate and prove that fact would practically be redundant for the fact if not most probably just blatantly and outright ignored. The evidence should really account for itself by now without my explaining that there's no reason to worry about me of all people being some sort of tyrant or dictator, though in the same token I will absolutely not be dictated to by anyone whatsoever here. I'm not even mad about the fact or fucked up about it, it simply is what it is. I'm far more about empowering and flexibility, mind for the entertainment and fairness aspects of things over shooting people down or exercising the power of "No" predominantly, but I do have expectations that I don't largely or even often beat down people's throats, and a right to them that I equally strive not to. It's with no particular "shame on you" mindset that I reiterate that anyone's choice to play, not play or altogether leave the channel because over disagreement with them are only blatant portrayals of everything opposite of what those standards and safeguards are intended to be most specific insurances against. I really shouldn't have to say that it really should be obvious that I'm not even about bossing your around or just whimsically contradicting and countermanding the authority of people that I expect to be capable of responsibly assuming, but whether you believe me or not, it's with a whole lot more direct experience on my distinct part of people not respecting that, appreciating that, either choosing to or acting like they don't understand that, that it so many, many times before has come to just this, over reaching their station, trying to grasp for more when I they already have or had everything, but no amount of assurances or outright direct evidence could get them to accept the very fact to begin with. I'm so accustomed to just this kinda inevitable bullshit that I don't even feel pissed, disrespected, hurt, surprised nor disappointed at this stage any way. There's enough veterans in our group that I know have been there long enough to intimately know and feel the very same thing. I'd have it different by personal choice and can at least say I'd entertained hope for better on your part, but it's with hardly any other emotional vestment when I say that it seems you're obviously deciding that isn't happening. I accept that, respect that and even you with more appreciation and love for what you've brought to the table thus far than would probably otherwise seem contrary while I invariably must conclude with the precautionary counsel that you might should mind not to let the door hit you in the ass on your way out it.