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Ok, first few things I want to say is that I'm more from /v/ than I'm from /pol/, and on 8chan /pol/ has such HUGE influence on /v/ that everybody there will even see the notes about how the holocaust has been faked in completely unrelated threads.  This post is one of the bigger "a-ha!" moments for me https://imgur.com/a/iVGRByZ

Also, I feel Christianity needs to be protected (criticism & reformation are good, but destroyed would be bad).  Religion is always one of the top things to be destroyed when subverting a nation, according to Yuri Bezmenov's subversion video, Frankfurt School goals, this list https://imgur.com/a/pdv1xtj , and I haven't seen that "Protocols of the Elders of" whatever in a while but I'm damn sure destroying other's religion is on the near the top of that list too.  It is one of the biggest glues that holds a society together, and we've got little else to use as "brakes" for adultery, lying, cheating, etc.  I do think there are problems that should be addressed, especially that Judo throw thing Yuri Bezmenov talked about (use your enemy's weight/power against them https://youtu.be/5gnpCqsXE8g?t=663), where Christianity's charity is used against Christians by telling them they are not Christians unless they accept their enemies into their homes and forsake the future of their children https://imgur.com/a/7zz9JJ1

This subversion could also happen to any religion if a group worked hard enough at it (see https://www.facebook.com/notes/killuminati-soldiers/the-jewish-roots-of-the-saudi-royal-family/1124881657610724/ ), because the poeple who follow religion are just human.

I cannot feel that Anti-Christian posts in pol are nothing but shills or useful idiots, attacking one of the lasts glues that holds our country together (what other glues do we have left?  Race?  Language?  Love for country?  Love for Family?  Even traditional family roles are being attacked).  If anything, I feel posts in /pol/ should be set to refine Christianity, especially the judo throw thing, instead of just blindly attack it.


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Last few things to preface.

**Religion is a creation of man, not God.  Just as science is a creation of man, not nature.**


**If you look for proof of God that one man can give you, then another man can take it away.  Look for the proof that no man can take away**  I won't say much beyond that.


I started studying all this religion stuff because I was looking for an explanation for something, I needed to know more about the Essenes (not like there's much known about them anyway, its not clear which group they really belonged to as sometimes it seems like others will claim allegiance to them).  Some historian once compared the Essenes to Pythagorus, the Pharisees to the Stoics and the Sadducees to the Epicureans...and if you're like me you have ZERO idea what the heck those groups are.  I ended up having to research what all those meant, and what came before them, and what came before those, to understand it all.  In the end I had to read up on a lot of ancient history to understand the foundation of it all, and even some greek philiosophy...

I'm find out groups borrowed from eachother TONS, even the greek philosophers were somehow copying from eastern philosophers (some say Stoicism is just the greek version of Chinese Taoism).

Anyway, there's just so much information out there that I couldn't finish, life got in the way and I had to stop for a while.  I'll share some of what I have found now.

Also, there's this one last thing that was written by the Gnostics (who might or might not have been Christians, depending on who you ask) that I'd like to share:  "God created mankind and mankind created gods.  This is how it is in the world, men create gods and they worship their creations.  It would be more appropriate for gods to worship men!" Gospel of Philip, 92

I have no idea what that line is doing in a religious gospel when you expect the opposite, but it helps keep me grounded (kind of like https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/01/23/in-ancient-rome-a-slave-would-continuously-whisper-remember-you-are-mortal-in-the-ears-of-victorious-generals-as-they-were-paraded-through-the-streets-after-coming-home-triumphant-from-battle/)


Anyway, here we go!


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TL;DR:

The Old Testament plagiarized stories from Sumerians, Babylonians, Egyptians; usually giving things a little twist as it stole their thunder.  The real Jerusalem is probably around Yemen, not Canaan, with the rest of the real location of their ancestral lands because the topography of all their old stories matches those areas and not Canaan.  The Judeans weren't even originally monotheistic either, that came much later.


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WORLD OVERVIEW:  Modern history says the first of the four super ancient civilizations were the Sumerians (by Euphrates & Tigris rivers), which indirectly birthed the other super ancient civilizations:  Egypt (by Nile river), India (by Ganges river) and China (by Yangtze river).  All these super ancient civilizations "died out" except China, which retained its civilization somehow.  Sumeria died out when the plants in the fertile crescent disappeared as a result of rivers drying up.  A few groups took over the area the Sumerians once held, including the Babylonians.  Sumerian influence, include its religious stories, spread to the other civilizations even after its decline.  The Judeans took much of their stories from the Babylonians and Egyptians, who both were heavily influenced Sumerian stories, even though Sumerians had long since died out.


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There are no quick short answers.

ORIGINAL:  Judeans were originally one of many tribalistic desert people in the middle east, probably around Yemen & its silk road routes, they were not monotheistic.

BABYLON/SUMERIAN INFLUENCE:  Seems like the Old Testament was first written around 600-560 BC around the time of the biblical Babylonian Exile / enslavement (SPOILER: The Israelites weren't slaves), this is when it took the Babylonian/Sumerian stories as their own.

EGYPTIAN INFLUENCE:  Old Testament probably rewritten/touched up when it was submitted to Ptolemy II for the Library of Alexandria in 280 BC, to create the Septuagint Bible (written in greek, first version of bible the rest of the world saw), and this is probably when it gained the Egyptian influence for its stories (Moses) and decided Jerusalem/Promised Land is now in Canaan (not Yemen), Jerusalem now being where an Egyptian fort is.  This is more significant than it sounds because without being introduced into the then "modern" greek language, the Judeans would never have entered the world stage.  The Septuagint Bible, preserved because it was in greek, holds many contradictions with Jewish books (like they later got re-written while the Septuagint didn't change) and is practically considered heretical now by most Judeans, something like "we wouldn't share our REAL stories with non-believers"

FURTHER WRITINGS:  Judeans kept adding to their books up until around the time of the decline of the Khazars around 900 AD, even though Christianity more or less stopped collecting stories to the Hebrew books (now referred to as the Old Testament) around the time of Christ beginning around 0 AD.


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THE SO CALLED "BABYLONIAN EXILE"

The first books of the Old Testatment, from Genesis to Kings 2, are suspected to have been first properly collected no earlier than by King Josiah, who "found" / rediscovered and enforced it on his people.  If he existed, it is suspected he wrote them.   King Josiah is said to have died around 600 BC.  After King Josiah, his son ruled, then the Babylonian Exile enslavement came.  Last dateable event up in Kings 2 is about the Babylonian King called Evil Merodach (2 Kings 25:27) who according to Babylonian records came to power in 562 BC, and was assassinated in 560 BC.

More likely than not, the books were REALLY written after King Josiah died and during the Babylonian Exile, as all the stories are knee deep in Babylonian / Sumerian stories, just with a different coat of paint (retelling of many stories such as Garden of Eden, Tower Of Babel/Babylon, Noah's Ark, etc).  Maybe throw in some Egyptian influence into the stories as well, since that was the super power of the time.

Turns out that there was never a Babylonian Exile or enslavement for the Judeans.  https://imgur.com/a/KP75cti

Nebuchadnezzar II (605-562 BC), according to Biblical accounts, was said to force the Judeans into exile every time he visited and destroyed Jerusalem's first temples.  Oh yeah, he had terrible dreams that robbed him of sleep and only Judean prophets could figure out....turns out he was no brutal ruler, the Judeans were free to come & go from Babylon as they pleased.  In fact he freaked RECRUITED them to revive a struggling Babylon economy!  They were recruited to be merchants or assist administration for Babylon.  There are tablets that show receipts for debts, taxes paid, credits accumulated, fruit trade, etc.  Sometimes records hold accounts of a family over generations.

It is thought that the "Babylonian Exile" was the inspiration for the even greater "Egyptian Exile" with Moses leaving Egypt.  Except it probably wasn't Moses leading Judeans, but probably a romanticizing of the Hyksos invasion & expulsion of the by Egyptian King Ahmose I.  Hyksos did live in ranges near Canaan & Syria.  Probably all written down as stories to use use as justification to claim their holy land.

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SEPTUAGINT BIBLE
The great superpower Egypt is now Hellenistic after being conquered by Alexander the Great.  Ptolemey II, for his Library of Alexandria, ordered a copy of the Judean bible to submitted to his library, but written in greek.  This is most likely when they slpipped in all the Egyptian stories in the bible, such as Moses.........(unfinished)
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**HEBREW SLAVES IN EGYPT BUILDING PYRAMIDS = Fake**

The Hebrews were never built the Egyptian Pyramids as slaves.  No slaves did, because the pyramid builder quarters have been found and their skeletal remains indicate they were well fed workers, probably government workers that were well compensated since they found evidence of them eating tons of cattle + sheep, their bones buried in respectful Egyptian religious tradition (fetal position, head pointing west, feet pointing east, jars for supplies in afterlife), and with their tombs so close to their king's tomb they could not have been slaves.
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