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  1. [SIZE=1]approved by [USER=305826]drampa's grandpa[/USER] and [USER=523866]UT[/USER][/SIZE]
  2. [CENTER]
  3. [IMG alt="svcamomons.png"]https://www.smogon.com/forums/attachments/svcamomons-png.468029/[/IMG]
  4. [I][SIZE=2]banner by [B][USER=50586]Euphonos[/USER] [/B]| meowscarada art by [/SIZE][/I][SIZE=2][URL='https://twitter.com/complicarlos'][I][B]@complicarlos[/B][/I][/URL][/SIZE][I][SIZE=2] (Twitter)[/SIZE][/I]
  5. [/CENTER]
  6. [COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)][B][U][SIZE=5]Introduction[/SIZE][/U][/B][/COLOR]
  7.  
  8. It's a fact that many Pokemon in today's metagame suffer from a bad typing. Pokemon such as Charizard and Abomasnow are perpetually hampered by their crippling 4x weaknesses to some attacks. Wouldn't it be great if they could rid themselves of this burden and blossom with a fresh typing? Well, now you can, with Camomons! [B]Each and every Pokemon become the types of the first two moves in their moveslots[/B]! Undershadowed Pokemon can now experience a new life in this OM. Even popular Pokemon can transform to fit and match the player's desires. Anything is possible!
  9.  
  10. [COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)][U][B][SIZE=5]Rules[/SIZE][/B][/U][/COLOR]
  11.  
  12. [B]Mechanic[/B]: Pokemon change their type to match the types of their first two moves in their moveslots. Pokemon with multiple moves of the same type in their first two slots will have only one type. [B]Types are revealed to the player instantly upon being sent out.[/B]
  13.  
  14. Examples:
  15. [TABLE]
  16. [TR]
  17. [TD][CENTER]:sv/garchomp:
  18. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dragon.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ground.png[/IMG] ->[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Water.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Poison.png[/IMG]
  19. Garchomp @ Black Sludge
  20. Ability: Rough Skin
  21. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  22. Jolly Nature
  23. - Liquidation
  24. - Poison Jab
  25. - Stealth Rock
  26. - Swords Dance
  27.  
  28. [I]Garchomp's resultant modified type will be [B]Water/Poison[/B].[/I][/CENTER][/TD]
  29.  
  30. [TD][CENTER]:sv/blissey:
  31. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Normal.png[/IMG]->[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Normal.png[/IMG]
  32. Blissey @ Heavy-Duty Boots
  33. Ability: Natural Cure
  34. EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 SpD
  35. Calm Nature
  36. - Soft Boiled
  37. - Heal Bell
  38. - Seismic Toss
  39. - Stealth Rock
  40.  
  41. [I]Blissey's resultant [S]modified[/S] type will become pure [B]Normal[/B].[/I][/CENTER][/TD]
  42. [/TR]
  43. [/TABLE]
  44.  
  45. [B]Ruleset:[/B]
  46. Evasion Clause, Standard OMs, Sleep Clause Mod
  47.  
  48. [B]Bans:[/B]
  49. [U]Pokemon:[/U] :koraidon: Koraidon, :miraidon: Miraidon, :chien-pao: Chien-Pao
  50. [U]Abilities:[/U] Arena Trap, Moody, Shadow Tag
  51. [U]Moves:[/U] Baton Pass
  52. [U]Items:[/U] King's Rock, Booster Energy
  53.  
  54. [SIZE=5][COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)][U][B]Strategy and Preliminary Set Samples[/B][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE]
  55.  
  56. Pokemon with access to moves with desirable types are favored in this meta. Steel, Ghost and Fairy are all incredible defensive types and as such many Pokemon will seek to transform into those types. Powerful offensive Pokemon that primarily rely on one offensive STAB often can be seen transforming into types that grant them STAB on their coverage move. Here are some examples that could look promising:
  57.  
  58. :sv/great tusk:
  59. [I]Great Tusk base typing is good at abusing 2 really strong moves in [B]Close Combat[/B] and [B]Headlong Rush[/B] making it a good breaker. However, Fighting + Ground coverage is kinda bad not being able to touch either Flying or Bug mons. In Camomons, this limitation is removed and Great Tusk can fully take advantage from its large movepool to play many viable typings such as [I][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ground.png[/IMG][/I][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Fairy.png[/IMG], [I][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dark.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Fairy.png[/IMG], [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Fighting.png[/IMG][I][I][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dark.png[/IMG], etc offensively with [B]Play Rough[/B] and[B] Knock Off[/B]. It can also better exploit its high physical bulk with moves like [B]Body Press[/B], [B]Megahorn[/B] or [B]Heavy Slam[/B] to get typings like [I][I][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Fighting.png[/IMG][I][I][I][I][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Bug.png[/IMG][/I][/I][/I][/I][/I][/I] ,[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Steel.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Bug.png[/IMG], [I][I][I][I][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Steel.png[/IMG][/I][/I][/I][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Fairy.png[/IMG], etc making it an interesting hazard setter or Rapid Spinner. [/I][/I][/I][/I][/I]
  60. [SPOILER="Set"]
  61. Great Tusk @ Choice Band
  62. Ability: Protosynthesis
  63. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  64. Jolly Nature
  65. - Headlong Rush
  66. - Play Rough
  67. - Knock Off
  68. - Fire Fang
  69. [/SPOILER]
  70.  
  71. :sv/ting-lu:
  72. [I]Ting-Lu's [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dark.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ground.png[/IMG] initial typing is not perfect for a defensive role to take full advantage from its amazing mixed bulk. You can change that by playing [B]Heavy Slam[/B] and [B]Spikes[/B] to become [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Steel.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ground.png[/IMG], a much more interesting defensive typing.[/I]
  73. [SPOILER="Set"]
  74. Ting-Lu @ Leftovers
  75. Ability: Vessel of Ruin
  76. EVs: 56 Atk / 200 Def / 252 SpD
  77. Impish Nature
  78. - Heavy Slam
  79. - Spikes
  80. - Whirlwind
  81. - Protect
  82. [/SPOILER]
  83.  
  84. [SIZE=5][COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)][B][U]Q&A[/U][/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]
  85.  
  86. [B]Q: [/B]What will happen if I place a move on either first two slots that can potentially change types in certain circumstances, such as [B]Weather Ball[/B] and [B]Tera Blast[/B]?
  87. [B]A:[/B] The original type of said move before it changes types on different circumstances will be honored. For example, [B]Weather Ball[/B] is originally Normal-type, and can change types with weather. Regardless of whatever weather condition, the Pokemon with Weather Ball in Slot 1 will make it (part-) Normal.
  88.  
  89. [I][S]In the case of [B]Tauros's Raging Bull[/B], [B]Oricorio's Revelation Dance[/B] (and for those interested: [B]Arceus's Judgment[/B]), these moves are coded as Normal-type regardless of the change of form; thus Paldean Tauros having Raging Bull and whatever form of Oricorio with Revelation Dance will be revealed as part-Normal as well.[/S] [under investigations][/I]
  90.  
  91. [B]Q: [/B]How does [B]Terastallization[/B] work in Camomons?
  92. [B]A:[/B] Terastallization is the most prominent battle feature in this Scarlet/Violet generation. A Pokemon who Terastallizes will change its current typing to a (pure) chosen Terastallized type and will remain that type for the entire match.
  93.  
  94. [B][COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)][SIZE=5][U]Council and tiering decisions[/U][/SIZE][/COLOR]
  95.  
  96. [U]Council[/U][/B]
  97.  
  98. [IMG]https://www.serebii.net/pokedex-swsh/icon/146.png[/IMG][USER=50586]Euphonos[/USER] (Leader)
  99. [IMG]https://www.serebii.net/pokedex-swsh/icon/807.png[/IMG][USER=475804]The Number Man[/USER]
  100. [IMG]https://www.serebii.net/pokedex-swsh/icon/488.png[/IMG][USER=376783]Siamato[/USER]
  101. [IMG]https://www.serebii.net/pokedex-swsh/icon/024.png[/IMG][USER=545372]Clastia[/USER]
  102. [IMG]https://www.serebii.net/pokedex-swsh/icon/061.png[/IMG][USER=574634]ponchlake[/USER]
  103.  
  104. [B][U]Tiering actions Archive[/U][/B]
  105. [TABLE]
  106. [TR]
  107. [TH]Date[/TH]
  108. [TH]Tiering Action[/TH]
  109. [/TR]
  110. [TR]
  111. [TD]11.24.2022[/TD]
  112. [TD]King's Rock banned[/TD]
  113. [/TR]
  114. [TR]
  115. [TD]11.27.2022[/TD]
  116. [TD]Chien Pao and Booster Energy banned[/TD]
  117. [/TR]
  118. [/TABLE]
  119.  
  120. [B][U]On the radar[/U][/B]
  121.  
  122. [SPOILER="Current watchlist"]
  123. [B][U]Pokemon[/U][/B]
  124. Alphabetic order
  125.  
  126. ★★★ Seems broken and should go asap for metagame sake (vote after 2 weeks at most)
  127.  
  128. Baxcalibur
  129. [S]Chien-Pao[/S]
  130. Dragonite
  131. Iron Bundle
  132. Iron Valiant
  133. Palafin
  134. Roaring Moon
  135.  
  136. ★★ Probably too much but let's see more (vote after 1 month at most)
  137.  
  138. Cyclizar
  139. Chi-Yu
  140. Flutter Mane
  141. Houndstone
  142. Hydreigon
  143. Iron Moth
  144. Lycanroc-Dusk
  145.  
  146. ★ Looks fine atm but to keep in mind because they might be not
  147.  
  148. Ceruledge
  149. Dragapult
  150. Drednaw
  151. Garchomp
  152. Gholdengo
  153. Great Tusk
  154. Iron Hands
  155. Slither Wing
  156.  
  157. [B][U]Moves[/U][/B]
  158.  
  159. None.
  160.  
  161. [I]Calm Mind (banned last gen because too many abusers in a fat metagame)
  162. Last Respects (= Houndstone atm)
  163. Shed Tail (mostly = to Cyclizard)[/I]
  164.  
  165. [B][U]Items[/U][/B]
  166.  
  167. [S]Booster Energy[/S]
  168.  
  169. [I]Heat Rock might pop there depending on how many good Protosynthesis remains. [/I]
  170.  
  171. [B][U]Other[/U][/B]
  172.  
  173. Terrastalization
  174. [/SPOILER]
  175.  
  176. [COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)][SIZE=5][B][U]Resources[/U][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR]
  177.  
  178. [B][U]Old generation Camomons threads[/U][/B]
  179.  
  180. [URL='https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/camomons.3656413/']:zacian-crowned:Sword & Shield Camomons thread[/URL]:zamazenta-crowned:
  181. [SPOILER="Chall code"]
  182. \challenge gen8ou@@@camomonsmod, +urshifu-base, +magearna, +cinderace, -mew, -zeraora, -tornadus-therian, -dragonite, -hydreigon, -kartana, -lycanroc-dusk, -calm mind
  183. [/SPOILER]
  184. :solgaleo:[URL='https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/camomons.3598418/']Sun & Moon Camomons thread:lunala:[/URL]
  185. [SPOILER="Chall code"]
  186. \challenge gen7ou@@@camomonsmod, -latias-mega, -shedinja, -kyurem-black, -dragonite, -kartana, -kommoniumz
  187. [/SPOILER]
  188. :xerneas:[URL='https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/camomons.3513059/']X & Y Camomons thread[/URL]:yveltal:
  189. [SPOILER="Chall code"]
  190. \challenge gen6ou@@@camomonsmod
  191. [/SPOILER]
  192.  
  193. [B][U]Great posts (on this thread)[/U][/B]
  194.  
  195. None yet!
  196.  
  197. [B][U]Competitive resources (on this thread)[/U][/B]
  198.  
  199. Sample Teams
  200. Viability Rankings
  201. Role Compendium
  202. Typing Compendium
  203. Speed Tiers
  204.  
  205. [B][U]Typing list[/U][/B]
  206.  
  207. Use type images to make your post more visual and therefore more easy to read! You can copy paste the below list.
  208. [SPOILER="Type list"]
  209. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Water.png[/IMG]
  210. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Fire.png[/IMG]
  211. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Grass.png[/IMG]
  212. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Normal.png[/IMG]
  213. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Fighting.png[/IMG]
  214. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Bug.png[/IMG]
  215. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ground.png[/IMG]
  216. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Rock.png[/IMG]
  217. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Poison.png[/IMG]
  218. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Electric.png[/IMG]
  219. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Flying.png[/IMG]
  220. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Steel.png[/IMG]
  221. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dark.png[/IMG]
  222. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ghost.png[/IMG]
  223. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Psychic.png[/IMG]
  224. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ice.png[/IMG]
  225. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dragon.png[/IMG]
  226. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Fairy.png[/IMG]
  227. [/SPOILER]
  228.  
  229. [B][U]How to share a set? Example of formatting[/U][/B]
  230.  
  231. Of course you're free to use whatever formatting you want to share a set but a clear and nice one is proposed below.
  232. [SPOILER="Example"] :sv/garchomp:
  233. [B]Garchomp[/B]
  234. [U]Typings:[/U] [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Water.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Poison.png[/IMG]/[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ground.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Water.png[/IMG]/[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dragon.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Water.png[/IMG]/[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dragon.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Poison.png[/IMG]/[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Poison.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dark.png[/IMG]/[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dragon.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Steel.png[/IMG][[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ground.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Rock.png[/IMG]/[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Water.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ghost.png[/IMG]/[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ground.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Fire.png[/IMG]/[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dragon.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ground.png[/IMG]/...]
  235. [U]Stats:[/U] 108/130/95/80/85/108
  236. [U]Ability:[/U] Rough Skin
  237. [U]Item:[/U] Leftovers / Black Sludge / Lum Berry
  238.  
  239. [U]Relevant Moves (for typing):[/U]
  240. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Water.png[/IMG] - Liquidation
  241. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Poison.png[/IMG] - Poison Jab
  242. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ground.png[/IMG] - Earthquake
  243. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dragon.png[/IMG] - Dragon Claw, Outrage, Dragon Tail
  244. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dark.png[/IMG] - Crunch
  245. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Steel.png[/IMG] - Iron Head
  246. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Rock.png[/IMG] - Stone Edge, [I]Rock Slide[/I]
  247. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ghost.png[/IMG] - Shadow Claw
  248. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Fire.png[/IMG] - Fire Fang, [I]Fire Blast, Flamethrower[/I]
  249.  
  250. [U]Other Moves:[/U] Stealth Rock, Spikes, Sword Dance, Substitute
  251.  
  252. [SPOILER="Importable"]
  253. Garchomp @ Leftovers
  254. Ability: Rough Skin
  255. Tera Type: Water
  256. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  257. Jolly Nature
  258. - Liquidation
  259. - Poison Jab
  260. - Stealth Rock
  261. - Swords Dance
  262. [/SPOILER]
  263. [/SPOILER]
  264. [SPOILER="Code of the example"]
  265. [ICODE]:sv/garchomp:
  266. [B]Garchomp[/B]
  267. [U]Typings:[/U] [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Water.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Poison.png[/IMG]/[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ground.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Water.png[/IMG]/[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dragon.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Water.png[/IMG]/[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dragon.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Poison.png[/IMG]/[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Poison.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dark.png[/IMG]/[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dragon.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Steel.png[/IMG][[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ground.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Rock.png[/IMG]/[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Water.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ghost.png[/IMG]/[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ground.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Fire.png[/IMG]/[IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dragon.png[/IMG][IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ground.png[/IMG]/...]
  268. [U]Stats:[/U] 108/130/95/80/85/108
  269. [U]Ability:[/U] Rough Skin
  270. [U]Item:[/U] Leftovers / Black Sludge / Lum Berry
  271.  
  272. [U]Relevant Moves (for typing):[/U]
  273. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Water.png[/IMG] - Liquidation
  274. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Poison.png[/IMG] - Poison Jab
  275. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ground.png[/IMG] - Earthquake
  276. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dragon.png[/IMG] - Dragon Claw, Outrage, Dragon Tail
  277. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Dark.png[/IMG] - Crunch
  278. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Steel.png[/IMG] - Iron Head
  279. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Rock.png[/IMG] - Stone Edge, [I]Rock Slide[/I]
  280. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Ghost.png[/IMG] - Shadow Claw
  281. [IMG]https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Fire.png[/IMG] - Fire Fang, [I]Fire Blast, Flamethrower[/I]
  282.  
  283. [U]Other Moves:[/U] Stealth Rock, Spikes, Sword Dance, Substitute
  284.  
  285. [SPOILER="Importable"]
  286. Garchomp @ Leftovers
  287. Ability: Rough Skin
  288. Tera Type: Water
  289. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  290. Jolly Nature
  291. - Liquidation
  292. - Poison Jab
  293. - Stealth Rock
  294. - Swords Dance[/SPOILER][/ICODE]
  295. [/SPOILER]
  296.  
  297. [IMG height="25px"]https://logo-marque.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Discord-Logo.png[/IMG] [URL='https://discord.gg/QPu9wNn'][B]Camomons Discord[/B][/URL]. Find opponents to play, advices to build and explore the metagame with us!
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