Gant: tbh I'd really like to move away from linux as server OS
Gant: if windows was just, well
Gant: less Desktop-y
Gant: GUI and shit like that
Drknzz: Linux rules Servers!
Drknzz: How dare you say such a herecy
Gant: Now you're the hipster.
Drknzz: lol
Gant: I just say what makes sense
Gant: Do you really, REALLY care about open source?
Drknzz: Apache is quite not hip
Drknzz: It's kind of overused for a reason
Gant: As in "OH I MUST HAVE THE RIGHT TO READ WHAT I EXECUTE"
Drknzz: Well, it's a layer of trust
Gant: Hey RMS, you're fucking wrong: Computers aren't just for nerds anymore.
Drknzz: Don't trust the binary distributor? Compile the code
Gant: yknow what GNU GPL is?
Drknzz: That's a good thing
Gant: Implying, you review every line of code you compile.
Gant: GNU GPL is cancer.
Drknzz: Not quite, but sometimes it's a good thing
Drknzz: It helps learning good practices
Gant: And you know why LGPL is cancer?
Gant: This is why: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html
Drknzz: Nope
Gant: These guys just don't get that "open source" isn't appliable to any pice of software
Gant: Instead they talk about "freedom"
Gant: Their freedom is forcing their mindset upon users.
Gant: Thats it.
Gant: GPL is almost political.
Drknzz: Well... it's a choice to take for each project lead
Gant: Using GPL is "I want to force my users to give away their most valueable asset"
Gant: For libraries that is.
Gant: I'm okay with LGPL, merging changes back that benefit the library makes sense.
Drknzz: Then use a license that does not force derivatives to be open source
Gant: But what if I use a license that already does that?
Gant: There's the problem.
Gant: Literally cancer.
Drknzz: Well, it's a matter of deciphereng lawyerse as i see it
Gant: Not really.
Gant: It's easy.
Gant: If you publish your library on GPL, everything based on it must be GPL
Gant: even if a library is just a really small firction of your code
Drknzz: That's bullshit
Gant: Take a logger class in an enterprise ASP.NET app.
Gant: It's GPL?
Gant: Oh crap, you need to use GPL aswell!
Drknzz: Id rather cook up my own solution
Drknzz: Im not just releasign production code on the wild
Gant: well, this is not about you
Gant: This is about everyone.
Gant: They promoting, that sharing and resuing code is awesome.
Gant: And it is!
Gant: But their terms are, that I need to do the same, no matter the code I write.
Drknzz: Nonsense
Gant: And not don't come with "but these libraries are helping you, you should give back because your success is based upon this library"
Gant: Thats bullshit.
Drknzz: I should only give back my mods, and that's if i want to
Gant: Every change you make, is your code, not someone elses work
Gant: therefore changes should be yours
Gant: it doesn't take away the original code
Drknzz: Indeed
Gant: Now Mr. Stallman, the blind libertarian of the IT industry thinks this code shouldn't be yours.
Gant: You used someone elses work, therefore it belongs to EVERYONE
Gant: See how marxist that is?
Drknzz: that's like saying all car companies need to release their private documents referring to physics because they based their work on Newton's
Gant: Yes!
Gant: Now, physics is not something you can put a patent on
Gant: So it's a bad example
Drknzz: Software patents are bullshit
Drknzz: Entirely
Gant: yes, patents
Gant: but code copyright is fine
Gant: but please, if you do use the GPL
Gant: don't claim you're "sharing your code for free to promote innovation"
Gant: because you're basically doing the opposite of asking for a price.
Gant: free is the center, right is paying, left is paying with your own code
Gant: Now what is more appliable? Neither!
Gant: but RMS claims, it would be
Gant: believing this world isn't run on money
Drknzz: That's as blind as it gets