[8/21] <metagame discussion>
[00:06:27] Hyesu: there is no best team lol
[00:06:34] Hiker Clarence: yeah theres one team thars better than all the others
[00:06:39] Hiker Clarence: we're all using it
[00:06:46] Heroic Tips: what do yall think about chomp
[00:06:48] Hyesu: however I will say zyg+serp glare spam+maw seems to be quite effective
[00:06:49] Hiker Clarence: but we made a secret agreement
[00:06:52] Hiker Clarence: to not tell you
[00:07:03] Hyesu: meta basically HO and balance
[00:07:29] Hiker Clarence: i dont care what anyone says
[00:07:34] Hiker Clarence: chomp is still balls
[00:07:42] Hyesu: honestly man
[00:07:51] madara231: https://pokepast.es/847dc0c1f5bc6ad1
[00:07:51] groudon09: sd can be a good wallbreaker
[00:07:58] parfu: why isnt mega venu in ou
[00:08:05] Hyesu: I feel a team with like band ttar+mega chomp+glare spam
[00:08:08] Hiker Clarence: because what does it do
[00:08:08] groudon09: but i wouldn't run scarf
[00:08:09] Hyesu: could be quite deadly
[00:08:15] Hiker Clarence: its like a bad tangrowth
[00:08:20] Hiker Clarence: that takes up a mega slot
[00:08:26] parfu: how is it bad
[00:08:34] Heroic Tips: you actually run mega chomp?
[00:08:36] Hiker Clarence: for me mostly its the poison typing
[00:08:39] Hyesu: I don't
[00:08:43] Heroic Tips: oh ur talking about venusaur nvm
[00:08:44] Heroic Tips: lol
[00:08:48] Hiker Clarence: makes it neutral to ground
[00:09:05] Hyesu: the poison typing really lets it down as a zyg check
[00:09:08] Hiker Clarence: it checks koko but tangrowth can too
[00:09:10] GOthee: run mega chomp in sand
[00:09:13] GOthee: its og
[00:09:15] groudon09: mega chomp in my eyes is a team you build when your building around regular chomp and realize you don't need another mega and just throw it on
[00:09:16] Hiker Clarence: and it also stops zygarde
[00:09:24] parfu: tangrowth is definitely much worse than venu
[00:09:26] Heroic Tips: lol groudon
[00:09:37] Hiker Clarence: how is tangrowth worse than venusaur
[00:09:40] Heroic Tips: idk tangrowth is amazing at physical wallin
[00:09:51] GOthee: if chomp not in sand regular chomp is WAY BETE
[00:09:53] groudon09: tangrowth deals with zygarde, venusaur doesn't
[00:09:53] GOthee: ER
[00:09:59] Hiker Clarence: mega venusaur is literally a worse tangrowth
[00:10:05] parfu: ok how
[00:10:09] groudon09: that's a huge selling point
[00:10:11] Hiker Clarence: i just told you
[00:10:29] Hyesu: this is the problem with mega chomp
[00:10:34] Hiker Clarence: falls to ground which is the dominant physical attacking type in ou
[00:10:40] parfu: venusaur just does the job better
[00:10:47] Hyesu: mega maw accomplishes just about the same thing and has way better typing
[00:10:53] Hyesu: and doesn't need sand

[8/21] <talking about counters, and how its more important to counter things with high usage>
[00:16:57] parfu: everything tangrowth checks venusaur does as well
[00:17:08] raynman90: 252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Subzero Slammer (200 BP) vs. 248 HP / 88 Def Venusaur-Mega: 620-732 (170.7 - 201.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
[00:17:09] Xeem: why is kyruem b not banned but white version is
[00:17:13] Hiker Clarence: yeah everything
[00:17:20] raynman90: because ky b is buns
[00:17:22] GOthee: yeah accep mega venusaur is way better than tangrowth
[00:17:29] madara231: doesn t get a lot of phy moves
[00:17:30] Mr Cataclysmic: kyub doesnt have a reliable physical ice move
[00:17:36] Hiker Clarence: try sending out your mega venusaur on +2 zygarde
[00:17:43] raynman90: if it had fire coverage it would be more reliable
[00:17:52] Hiker Clarence: and see how it checks it just as well as tangrowth
[00:17:58] raynman90: or even ice shard :/
[00:18:05] Xeem: raynman90 doesnt it get earth power
[00:18:06] parfu: you're literally only using zygarde as an example
[00:18:09] parfu: not every team has zygarde
[00:18:12] groudon09: kyurem-black is so fucking strong
[00:18:14] Hyesu: parfu
[00:18:18] Hiker Clarence: uhhhh have you seen zygarde usage
[00:18:19] parfu: ye
[00:18:21] groudon09: like its not even funny
[00:18:26] ninjamage1317: but zygarde is super prominent
[00:18:27] Hiker Clarence: its not an example
[00:18:29] Hyesu: zyg is easily the most threatening sweeper in the tier
[00:18:35] raynman90: it gets earth power, yeah
[00:18:37] Hiker Clarence: its literally one of the most used mons in ou
[00:18:39] Hyesu: due to its 1k arrows and the billion sets it has
[00:18:42] raynman90: ferro still laughs at it
[00:18:44] Hyesu: checking it counts for a ton
[00:18:45] parfu: yes i agree with that but hes using that as the only example
[00:18:59] madara231: +2 252+ Atk Zygarde Outrage vs. 248 HP / 88 Def Venusaur-Mega: 279-328 (76.8 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
[00:19:00] Hiker Clarence: its a really really really big example
[00:19:06] raynman90: av mag eats with ease
[00:19:20] groudon09: buzzwole the ultimate zygarde counter, though it never sees usuage
[00:19:23] Hiker Clarence: its not outrage thats the problem because thats not even used as much anyymore
[00:19:27] madara231: Thousand Arrows 57.8 - 68%
[00:19:30] parfu: thats also why its a team game, im not sending out venusaur against a zygarde
[00:19:34] Hiker Clarence: its the fact that its neutral to thosand arrows
[00:19:38] GOthee: sooo... compare tangrowth and mega venu taking out megamawile.
[00:20:03] Hyesu: they both lose
[00:20:05] madara231: +2 252+ Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 248 HP / 88 Def Venusaur-Mega: 210-247 (57.8 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
[00:20:08] GOthee: who handlws better megamaw?.. @MegaVenu . tgrowgh sucks
[00:20:22] parfu: this isnt a conversation on who can handle thousand arrows more
[00:20:23] Hyesu: well if maw got +2, venu gonna lose
[00:20:28] GOthee: they both lose??? howw?
[00:20:32] raynman90: well both have base 100 atk, both can run eq
[00:20:41] Hyesu: +2 maw play rough is an atomic bomb.
[00:20:42] madara231: +2 252+ Atk Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 28 Def Tangrowth: 108-128 (26.7 - 31.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
[00:20:42] raynman90: neither typically run atk evs
[00:20:46] Hiker Clarence: also keep in mind that venusaur is incredibly passive because its lack of leftovers and regenerator so it has to synthesis pretty much every time it takes a hit
[00:21:03] raynman90: leech seed?
[00:21:06] parfu: LOL what
[00:21:09] parfu: it has amazing defenses
[00:21:09] Hiker Clarence: unlike tang which can afford to knock or predict a switch
[00:21:14] Hyesu: 1 on 1 maw not boosted I think venu can win
[00:21:15] parfu: what do u mean every time
[00:21:27] #false▾: how can tang afford to knock
[00:21:42] GOthee: tang cant afford shit cause it gets 2hkoed from megamawile
[00:21:47] raynman90: mega saur has 80/123/120 stats bro
[00:21:52] raynman90: it's pretty thicc
[00:21:56] Hiker Clarence: because it has regenerator
[00:22:03] #false▾: it kos at +2 after rocks w/ playrough
[00:22:04] Hiker Clarence: so it doesnt have to take a turn to heal
[00:22:06] groudon09: than again mawile 2hko's almost everything
[00:22:12] #false▾: and tang has no means of recovering more than 33
[00:22:12] Hyesu: honestly the other big argument against mega venu
[00:22:16] Hyesu: opportuniy cost.
[00:22:16] parfu: but it has to switch
[00:22:19] Hyesu: opportunity.
[00:22:27] Hiker Clarence: we're not talking about how well it takes on mawile
[00:22:29] Hyesu: you could run mega zam/zor/maw/cham instead.
[00:22:40] Hiker Clarence: i dont even know where mawile came up
[00:22:41] parfu: we're not talking about how well it does on zygarde either
[00:22:47] Hyesu: and growth does almost the same thing and zyg checks

[8/21] <metagame knowledge; talks about roles; helps the chat>
[00:24:46] parfu: venusaur is also much better at leech seed stalling
[00:24:54] raynman90: saur should be ou again soon
[00:24:57] Hiker Clarence: it proably is
[00:25:01] Hiker Clarence: i wouldnt doubt that
[00:25:08] Hiker Clarence: venusaur is already bl
[00:25:15] Hyesu: parfu
[00:25:18] parfu: yo
[00:25:23] Hiker Clarence: it would only be ou if it rose in usage enough
[00:25:24] groudon09: true but pelipper gets up rain for 8 turns, ttar/hippo for five
[00:25:28] Hyesu: if you want to leech seed stall, serp does way better.
[00:25:30] Hyesu: or even bulu.
[00:25:34] raynman90: hmm
[00:25:42] parfu: but venusaur does everything in one
[00:25:48] Hyesu: bruh
[00:25:51] Hyesu: you got 4 moves
[00:25:59] Hyesu: you aint fitting subseed and coverage into one set.
[00:26:00] groudon09: rocks + 25% recovery(and in the case of sandstorm chip) just picks away at venusaur
[00:26:05] madara231: serp with glare and sub yikess
[00:26:06] Hyesu: and you don't have serp's glare or speed.
[00:26:09] parfu: synthesis, leech seed, giga, and sludge bomb
[00:26:13] Hiker Clarence: im guessing venusaur contributes to your astounding win record
[00:26:23] parfu: serpis checked by 5 types tho
[00:26:27] Hiker Clarence: i got to bed
[00:26:30] parfu: serp is*
[00:26:31] Hiker Clarence: go to bed
[00:26:38] Hiker Clarence: and put up clothes
[00:26:42] Hiker Clarence: use mega venusaur
[00:26:49] Hiker Clarence: i never said dont use it
[00:26:54] Latioswar: Back on the eigntin hundred
[00:26:55] #false▾: venu w/ nothing to hit anything is horrendously bad
[00:27:03] #false▾: if ur gonna run leech u should drop a stab move
[00:27:14] parfu: ok, giga for hp fire
[00:27:19] groudon09: and venu is usually walled by tran
[00:27:22] Hyesu: no
[00:27:28] Hiker Clarence: i said its a worse tangrowth not that its not allowed to be used ever
[00:27:32] groudon09: and if your packing eq now ferro takes advantage of you
[00:27:42] groudon09: not to mention zam being the best mega in the tier
[00:27:45] raynman90: just run mixed offense
[00:27:48] groudon09: and lele always paired with it
[00:27:57] raynman90: eq hp fire giga sb
[00:28:11] Hiker Clarence: nice recovery
[00:28:14] raynman90: meh
[00:28:21] raynman90: doesn't always have to have it
[00:28:23] parfu: we just havent talked about venus strengths tho?
[00:28:24] Hyesu: serp is checked by bulky grasses that resist leaf storm hard like amonguss and ferro
[00:28:29] madara231: lando rekts that set
[00:28:29] Hiker Clarence: tangrowth can run a set just like that but it has regenrator
[00:28:29] Hyesu: although ferro doesn't like hp fire.
[00:28:32] raynman90: depends on the team tbh
[00:28:35] Hiker Clarence: gone
[00:28:36] parfu: and venu too
[00:28:46] Hyesu: the glare/sub/leech seed/leaf storm set basically only loses to ferro
[00:28:54] Hyesu: and amonguss
[00:29:12] parfu: and venusaur, whats the argument on that
[00:29:35] parfu: tang's biggest weakness is his five weaknesses
[00:29:37] Hyesu: venu is not the a good subseed abuser
[00:29:41] margin called: change my mind: toxapex is S-tier
[00:29:42] Hyesu: when serp and bulu exist.
[00:29:59] raynman90: i don't understand the purpose of bl mons, they don't have their own tier so why separate them
[00:30:01] Xeem: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-793613463 this idiot said gg turn 2 lol
[00:30:01] Hyesu: and can boost/provide fairy defense
[00:30:15] raynman90: never say gg early lol
[00:30:22] Xeem: raynman90 BL mons arent used enough to be ou but are too broken for uu
[00:30:48] Hyesu: uubl is a banlist
[00:30:54] parfu: god venusaurs defenses are just better than every other grass type's
[00:30:57] Hyesu: not an actual tier, its basically limbo

[8/21] <thoroughly explains why some pokemon in uubl would not fit in ou>
[00:31:03] raynman90: i get that but since they can't be used in their former tiers, might as well just make them ou
[00:31:04] parfu: its the best grass type, no argument
[00:31:11] raynman90: uubl, that is
[00:31:14] parfu: you can also build your team off him
[00:31:23] Xeem: everyone forgets that its a ban list hey also cant have a tier because its only like 20 mons
[00:31:37] raynman90: well that's what bl stands for lol
[00:31:38] Xeem: tbh people need to use those bl mons more they arent bad in ou mostly
[00:31:55] madara231: hey choice banned straraptor
[00:32:07] Rhayqwaza: I actually love star a lot
[00:32:08] Xeem: k thats the one that isnt good
[00:32:09] raynman90: half these mons were ou at some point within the last gen or two anyhow
[00:32:18] Xeem: conk should be use more
[00:32:20] Xeem: diggers
[00:32:29] Hyesu: yeah but stuff like mence
[00:32:32] Xeem: especially meag venu
[00:32:33] Hyesu: really doesn't fit in ou
[00:32:34] Xeem: like wtf
[00:32:38] madara231: hey hey mence is the goat dog
[00:32:41] Xeem: actually
[00:32:42] raynman90: diggersby tho...
[00:32:44] Xeem: mence can work well
[00:32:50] Xeem: very well with flyium z
[00:32:54] Hyesu: bruh mence gets hardstopped so easily
[00:33:12] Xeem: yeait can but still its great
[00:33:13] Hyesu: the tapus...lando...pex
[00:33:17] madara231: I know it its just my fav mon
[00:33:24] Xeem: try building around it Hyesu
[00:33:26] madara231: pex doesn't wall it
[00:33:34] Xeem: yeah it gets earthquake
[00:34:00] Hyesu: why build around mence when zyg exists.
[00:34:06] Hyesu: setups way easier
[00:34:11] madara231: I don't use it I'm just saying lol
[00:34:28] GOthee: megamence is good in HO teams tho
[00:34:29] Hyesu: and venu...I'd rather use growth.
[00:34:35] GOthee: i mean reg salamwnce
[00:34:39] Xeem: you just need to dd once with mence and kill then you get moxie boost
[00:34:45] madara231: bring mega mence to ou
[00:34:59] raynman90: hell no
[00:35:02] Jackson003: No
[00:35:04] GOthee: nooo. bring megametagross first
[00:35:04] Xeem: unless they have skarm or something else that walls it
[00:35:07] Xeem: then youre fine
[00:35:16] Jackson003: No gross either
[00:35:17] Hyesu: even at +2 att and +1 att it still cannot break stuff like skarm
[00:35:18] oraI: bring back mega mence and naga
[00:35:27] Hyesu: or ferro if it z'd
[00:35:28] Xeem: it cant touch skarm
[00:35:35] madara231: it can touch him
[00:35:40] Hyesu: and hell even a random scarf'd gren or koko ends mence's swee[
[00:35:40] groudon09: only with z fire fang
[00:35:41] madara231: just not okho
[00:35:42] Hyesu: sweep
[00:35:45] Xeem: just because a mon is walled by something doesnt mean its bad and cant work
[00:35:55] raynman90: pff might as well bring mega luc and genesect back to ou if that happens
[00:35:56] Jackson003: Actually yes bring mega gross back because it looks dope
[00:36:08] Hyesu: can someone explain to me
[00:36:11] Xeem: its too strong
[00:36:13] Hyesu: how mega gross got banned
[00:36:19] Hyesu: like what was the reasoning/rationale.
[00:36:22] madara231: wall sall the tapus
[00:36:24] Xeem: it was too strong because of the mega buff
[00:36:24] madara231: walls
[00:36:30] raynman90: tough claws boosted double stab
[00:36:34] GOthee: yes pls metagross is fine it needs to come to balanve
[00:36:38] GOthee: fairies
[00:36:40] groudon09: benefits from all terrains, auto speed boost
[00:36:46] ninjamage1317: walling all the tapus is fine with me
[00:36:47] Xeem: megas speed change as soon as it evolves unlike in gen 6 so thats a part of the reason
[00:36:49] raynman90: combined with base 145 atk
[00:36:55] Jackson003: Plus it was base 110 with meteor mash stab tough claws
[00:36:59] raynman90: and base 110 speed
[00:37:26] Hyesu: ok yeah I get how the mega buff kinda broke it.

[8/20] <recommends a counter; helps teambuilding>
[19:10:09] Zaza Bitchulia: I need to check:zygcheese, blace, ttar, heatran, pinsir, lele, zam, medi, z cele vic, mega latios, ruen, and hydreigon, how can 2-3 pokémon do that
[19:10:16] Zaza Bitchulia: if one is already torkoal
[19:10:31] Zaza Bitchulia: and the other 2-3 slots are avalible
[19:10:38] Zaza Bitchulia: how could I check it
[19:11:06] ln Love: ts poipole
[19:11:07] Zaza Bitchulia: well even just scratch torkoal
[19:11:15] Vespidis: if only goodra wasnt so slow
[19:11:29] Zaza Bitchulia: of goodra had regen :think:
[19:11:37] Vespidis: AV goodra is pre good
[19:11:40] raiderrocker18: waiting for a physical version of AV
[19:11:53] Zaza Bitchulia: intimidate :D
[19:11:55] Vespidis: but fairy typing is pretty prevalent in the meta right now
[19:12:06] Rhayqwaza: how would I take down a stakataka and gigalith in the sandstorm?
[19:12:08] destructiooooon: f tapu pokemon
[19:12:40] WokeSwine: Rhayqwaza eq or a fighting move
[19:12:48] Jewel Cult: Need a way to not get dominated by ferrothorn https://pokepast.es/d0a28c9c42e7cd14
[19:13:39] Jewel Cult: Seismitoad fills a very specific niche, otherwise I would have changed him
[19:13:56] WokeSwine: focus blast on sceptile
[19:14:55] raynman90: or zeraora for electric coverage + fightinium
[19:15:47] WokeSwine: hurricane on torn over slash
[19:16:08] Zaza Bitchulia: yea in rain
[19:16:14] Zaza Bitchulia: in general
[19:16:31] Zaza Bitchulia: hurramiss>air flinch
[19:16:33] sykoo: any one want to test my stall deck out and tell me some improvements
[19:16:37] Hyesu: zaza how about av mag?
[19:16:38] dez1: sure no prob
[19:16:40] dez1: lets no it
[19:16:49] Hyesu: checks a good amount of those psychics listed
[19:16:58] Zaza Bitchulia: av mag, that could work
[19:17:04] Hyesu: curse zor for zyg and pinsir
[19:17:08] Zaza Bitchulia: or even rachi now I think about it
[19:17:22] raynman90: having only one designated physical attacker is gonna hurt you
[19:17:35] raynman90: @jewel cult
[19:17:40] Zaza Bitchulia: so mage/raichi and mega zor
[19:18:00] Zaza Bitchulia: then like tran?
[19:18:54] Zaza Bitchulia: or like fini or what cause I need a way to limit fire attacks
[19:19:29] Hyesu: mage/zor and how do you feel about pex?
[19:19:42] dewip: what up f a g g o t s mute me i dont care you're all gay lol
[19:19:43] Zaza Bitchulia: tran kinda buttfucks that
[19:19:51] Zaza Bitchulia: but I like it otherwise
[19:19:54] Vespidis: Goodra is in RU
[19:19:59] Vespidis: thats weird
[19:20:03] Hyesu: thinking of a mon you could use that someone can handle fire and cham
[19:20:06] Vespidis: its movepool is pretty dec
[19:20:08] dewip: I like it in the ass
[19:20:18] Hyesu: since I feel like cham can overwhelm zor sometimes
[19:20:27] Zaza Bitchulia: true
[19:20:33] Vespidis: Zygarde can handle fire and cham
[19:20:40] Zaza Bitchulia: not cham
[19:20:42] Vespidis: hahaha
[19:20:47] dewip: FAT
[19:20:47] Zaza Bitchulia: but it's a fire check
[19:20:48] Hyesu: zyg gonna lose to cham if you don't have screens up
[19:20:48] Vespidis: oh medicham
[19:20:52] Hyesu: cham got ice punch

[8/20] <talks about battling strategy>
[19:45:52] Fookin Rekt Ya M8: 1300 - 1400 are the hardest IMO
[19:45:58] Fookin Rekt Ya M8: because everyone is unpredictable
[19:45:58] +GiantLobster: Even tho I had no clue who would win
[19:46:09] Hyesu: bruh
[19:46:11] +GiantLobster: Nah I'd say 1600 is hardest
[19:46:17] Hyesu: don't do reads pre 1500
[19:46:21] +GiantLobster: ^yeah
[19:46:27] Fookin Rekt Ya M8: Once you get 1600 to higher, it's predictable and the same shit honestly
[19:46:30] raynman90: truth
[19:46:41] Hyesu: hit the thing in front of you is usually the best choice
[19:46:45] raynman90: you'll have people staying in with ferro on a char y
[19:46:47] Vespidis: I get so fucking angry when someone leaves in a tapu koko against a clearly scarfed lando t
[19:46:49] James1327: eh
[19:46:52] +GiantLobster: 1600 is mostly cheese + nutjobs
[19:46:58] Vespidis: like
[19:47:02] Hyesu: giant right
[19:47:12] Hyesu: scum like me spamming glare zyg/serp/maw
[19:47:13] Fookin Rekt Ya M8: Stall teams is more like it at 1600 or higher
[19:47:21] +GiantLobster: Everyone high up is always salty as well
[19:47:26] Fookin Rekt Ya M8: I remember I got to 1750, it was stall team after stall team
[19:47:32] Vespidis: Whats the better choice, run EQ into an immunity or run uturn and get fucked when the person doesnt switch their tapu koko out?
[19:47:46] +GiantLobster: Like if ur decent at this game u have to be a miserable prick, it's basically a requirement
[19:47:46] Hyesu: vesp who using the eq?
[19:47:48] MayoChiki: wtf is a zeraora
[19:47:50] Vespidis: Lando T
[19:47:51] Hyesu: if its suicide memdo
[19:47:53] MayoChiki: sounds like an std
[19:47:55] Vespidis: vs a tapu koko
[19:47:55] Hyesu: its fine
[19:48:01] Hyesu: use eq
[19:48:04] +GiantLobster: !dt zeraora
[19:48:07] Hyesu: if they swap you still got the sash
[19:48:13] Hyesu: if they don't free kill
[19:48:18] Vespidis: true
[19:48:24] James1327: eh
[19:48:36] James1327: if they still in on Uturn to volt
[19:48:47] +GiantLobster: That's a god play
[19:48:47] James1327: late game i would consider it a flex
[19:49:07] James1327: and there ain't nothin wrong with flexing
[19:49:12] +GiantLobster: Honestly playing crazy first few turns bops most decent players
[19:49:25] James1327: it does
[19:49:29] Hyesu: lol like final gambiting?
[19:49:30] Vespidis: yeh its a common cause of me to lose
[19:49:34] Hyesu: it does seem to catch people offguard
[19:49:40] +GiantLobster: Nah like keeping tran in on lando
[19:49:42] mantikarp: wat does yuh mean?
[19:49:43] Hyesu: ah
[19:49:45] Vespidis: yeh
[19:49:48] +GiantLobster: Since no one good clicks eq
[19:49:50] +GiantLobster: Etc
[19:50:01] James1327: magma storm lando t1
[19:50:06] James1327: while he rocks and dies
[19:50:11] +GiantLobster: Although it can backfire so that one is super risky
[19:50:15] James1327: the god play
[19:50:27] Hyesu: I'd probably stay in
[19:50:27] raynman90: random question, does sash prevent ohkos from final gambit?
[19:50:37] Hyesu: cause most landos are scarf and that dude gonna u turn most likely
[19:50:41] +GiantLobster: But easier ones like smacking something like sciz that only ever clicks uturn is pretty safe
[19:50:59] Hyesu: ray, yes
[19:51:03] raynman90: thanks
[19:51:12] Hyesu: its the danger you take when running final gambit...gotta break sashes first
[19:51:19] sykoo: my favourite stall mon is my pyukumuku
[19:51:30] N1nj@s: Whats the chance of 3x protect working
[19:51:40] Hyesu: 25 percent

[8/20]
[20:08:12] raynman90: if slaking wasn't countered by protect, it would be ou
[20:08:24] Hyesu: its not just protect
[20:08:29] Fookin Rekt Ya M8: If Slaking didn't have Traunt, all the way it goes to UBER
[20:08:32] +GiantLobster: Ie. If it had a good ability
[20:08:33] Hyesu: sometimes it just takes a free turn to make a mon end the game
[20:08:37] Hyesu: look at serp.

[8/20] <helps with teambuilding>
[21:11:22] Vespidis: id appreciate some thoughts on this
[21:11:22] Vespidis: https://pokepast.es/6b97a69b7879a0d5
[21:11:39] Kizael: https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen7ou-793547889 rip
[21:12:04] raynman90: never seen b2b freezes before, thant's nuts
[21:12:07] raynman90: that's*
[21:12:10] Thunderzenny: Z Ember
[21:12:18] ninjamage1317: air ballon tran vespidis?
[21:12:25] ninjamage1317: run steelium z instead
[21:12:55] Vespidis: air balloon has done good work for me
[21:13:00] Hyesu: vesp you need a zmove.
[21:13:04] ninjamage1317: yeah but...
[21:13:12] ninjamage1317: z move is REALLY good
[21:13:26] Hyesu: maybe use waterium z ash gren then
[21:13:34] PardusV: In my draft league, i drafted dragonite and alomomola. What other mons work well with these 2?
[21:13:34] Hyesu: but steel z tran is rly strong
[21:13:37] Vespidis: ill try steel z
[21:14:06] Vespidis: I suppose buzz resists ground types
[21:14:15] Hyesu: pardus, grab magnezone to help dnite defeat steels
[21:14:18] raynman90: bro don't run speed on a sassy spread
[21:14:19] Hyesu: and also kart
[21:14:24] Thunderzenny: The only Z move I currently use is Z Happy Hour
[21:14:25] raynman90: @vesp
[21:14:29] Lideus: ladies and gents we are in the era of sticky web
[21:14:41] Lideus: it is like the plague
[21:14:50] PardusV: mag also resist bolt/beam which is nice. I think that might be the move
[21:14:51] Hyesu: then bring out the serps for free speed.
[21:14:53] ninjamage1317: what if
[21:14:55] raynman90: also specs + spikes is iffy, try lo?
[21:15:03] ninjamage1317: z happy hour gyrados
[21:15:08] Vespidis: nah specs spikes is ok
[21:15:09] JGMorrison: are there sample sets for mons?
[21:15:10] Hyesu: spikes with specs is the meta set

[8/20] <pokemon discussion>
[21:16:47] Vespidis: mamoswine is ruff when you arent prepared for it
[21:16:51] Hyesu: mamo can't boom like lando
[21:16:58] Hyesu: mamo cannot toxic sab like ex
[21:17:05] Kizael: i thought exca was best lead, maybe beaten by lando t
[21:17:19] Thunderzenny: I lead with Jirachi
[21:17:21] raynman90: mamo can get up rocks taunt free though
[21:17:28] ninjamage1317: ooh toxic mold breaker excadrill... would that pybass immunity also?
[21:17:32] raynman90: and endeavor w/ sash
[21:17:33] Hyesu: no
[21:17:40] Hyesu: it bypasses magic bounce and misty terrain
[21:17:50] Tene Z: usm ou anyone?
[21:17:51] Hyesu: said ability also lets you setup rocks on sab
[21:17:51] ninjamage1317: darn
[21:18:15] raynman90: only salazzle can poison steel types
[21:18:39] Thunderzenny: Is Life Orb Mamoswine powerful
[21:18:52] Hyesu: its a nightmare for balance to switch into
[21:18:56] ninjamage1317: 130 base attack so maybe...
[21:19:00] JGMorrison: who counters mega sable?
[21:19:06] Hyesu: tran
[21:19:10] raynman90: sylveon
[21:19:14] Hyesu: lele
[21:19:28] ninjamage1317: mega lop
[21:19:30] raynman90: any strong fairy
[21:19:33] Hyesu: lop is shaky
[21:19:39] raynman90: sab is bulky
[21:19:40] Hyesu: you're gonna kill it but prob get burned

[8/20] <help with teambuilding>
[22:58:03] part 5 october: please rate my team or something https://pokepast.es/66529f9db8d17362
[22:58:28] lowzionist: its good just needs roks to go coz its slow and it will be forced out often
[22:58:46] vesSev: it does 18%
[22:59:02] Hyesu: who are you hitting with fire z move bruh
[22:59:17] Hyesu: bug z helps break ttar and great general nuke, while psy z breaks pex
[22:59:31] BulkyStakataka: lowzionist he has rocks
[22:59:50] BulkyStakataka: his lando has rocks
[23:00:07] Hyesu: I personally would do glare serp to help support maw.
[23:00:13] part 5 october: good idea
[23:00:26] lowzionist: nah stop using glare serp plz
[23:00:31] Hyesu: like yes you can't beat steels
[23:00:37] Hyesu: but your volc is a great tran lure
[23:00:48] Hyesu: and volc in general fries steels
[23:00:54] part 5 october: volc has hp ground for tran
[23:00:57] Hyesu: and grasses, the two types serp cannot rng troll
[23:01:31] Hyesu: low, the rng hax are hilarious tho man
[23:01:46] Hyesu: and sometimes people just forfeit after zyg+serp glare like half their mons
[23:02:05] part 5 october: cant blame them tbh
[23:02:17] lowzionist: im one of those players
[23:02:44] Hyesu: I would too, ngl.
[23:03:14] TheMiracleMan420: bro deoxys defense should be ou
[23:03:19] TheMiracleMan420: he's actual cheeks in ubers
[23:03:23] Hyesu: bruh no.
[23:03:49] TheMiracleMan420: he gets 1hit ko'd by +2 beartic
[23:03:52] TheMiracleMan420: BEARTIC
[23:03:53] Hyesu: he's incredibly hard to stop from putting hazards
[23:04:05] TheMiracleMan420: knock off
[23:04:08] Hyesu: like between his bulk and that taunt proof herb
[23:04:13] Hyesu: he will get something up
[23:04:28] Hyesu: and removing said thing after can result in an evasion serp that just ends the game
[23:04:46] Hyesu: or a pissed off bish that gonna eat everything
[23:05:09] blarghlfarghl: ubers is an ou banlist
[23:05:19] Hyesu: and also a tier.
[23:05:19] blarghlfarghl: if something is bad in it but broken for ou it doesnt matter
[23:08:00] david1104: no shit
[23:08:29] raynman90: just gonna start running infiltrator crobat for serp
[23:08:56] Hyesu: volc is a great stop to serp
[23:08:58] lowzionist: wa thinking of hurricane noiverm
[23:09:00] Hyesu: and can end the game
[23:09:12] raynman90: beartic has base 130 atk bro
[23:09:20] Heroic Tips: same as garchomp :P
[23:09:22] raynman90: not like it's weak, especially at +2
[23:09:28] Heroic Tips: beartic aint no weakling
[23:09:38] Rhayqwaza: oof
[23:09:43] Hyesu: bruh
[23:09:49] Hyesu: that ice typing ;c
[23:09:57] Hyesu: why not use crawd
[23:10:02] raynman90: yeah I wouldn't personally run it
[23:10:11] Rhayqwaza: if only they buffed ice types
[23:10:13] raynman90: just for discussion purposes though
[23:10:26] Heroic Tips: remove rock weakness
[23:10:34] Heroic Tips: i never really understood the rock weakness
[23:10:44] raynman90: only way I could see ice types being buffed is increased freeze chances
[23:10:45] Hyesu: the idea is rock breaks ice
[23:10:50] Hyesu: thats fine tho if they resist fairy
[23:10:52] Heroic Tips: or make some stealth ice or something
[23:10:52] BulkyStakataka: to ice? that makes sense
[23:10:56] Hyesu: that would fix em
[23:10:57] Rhayqwaza: or a ability that helps in hail
[23:10:59] Rhayqwaza: besides speed
[23:11:03] raynman90: slush rush
[23:11:06] raynman90: snow cloak
[23:11:16] Fantastic_fuego: Cleannnn
[23:11:19] Hyesu: who has snow cloak
[23:11:23] BulkyStakataka: beartic
[23:11:24] Rhayqwaza: yeah but ice types aren't that slow
[23:11:30] cleannnn: Fantastic_fuego
[23:11:41] cleannnn: bit past ur bedtime eh?
[23:11:42] raynman90: alo slash does
[23:11:44] raynman90: mamo
[23:11:51] Rhayqwaza: they did add aurora veil
[23:12:00] raynman90: alo 9tales
[23:12:36] VanillaTwilight23: Fantastic_fuego
[23:12:39] BulkyStakataka: beartic is just too slow even with max speed jolly in even chloro pu/nu mons have more speed
[23:12:52] Sashiman: is quagsire viable?
[23:12:57] david1104: yes
[23:13:01] raynman90: quag was ou at one point
[23:13:10] Hyesu: quag is always viable
[23:13:17] BulkyStakataka: chloro exeggutor has more speed than beartic
[23:13:18] raynman90: beartic is meant for rain teams
[23:13:35] BulkyStakataka: my point still stands tho
[23:13:37] vesSev: beartic obliterating the grass types that plague rain
[23:13:38] raynman90: can also use it on hail teams
[23:13:48] raynman90: has two speed boosting abilities
[23:13:59] raynman90: depending on weather
[23:14:21] lowzionist: beartic lacks coverage sadly
[23:14:33] raynman90: thick fat counters ice so badly
[23:14:34] lowzionist: eq mostly
[23:14:45] raynman90: plus the typing itself is shit tbh
[23:14:55] Hyesu: bad defensively
[23:15:03] Hyesu: its fine offensively tbh
[23:15:10] Rhayqwaza: yeah its just so fragile
[23:15:15] lowzionist: walled by wathers
[23:15:25] raynman90: two priority moves hit for se damage
[23:15:40] Latioswar: Why ladder loves to use retarded sets
[23:15:44] raynman90: actually 3 if you include vacuum wve
[23:15:45] Latioswar: Modest ash gren lol
[23:15:50] raynman90: wave*
[23:15:52] Latioswar: This dumbass says what outspeeds
[23:16:07] raynman90: lol
[23:16:08] Latioswar: Like idk maybe the entire 110 base speed monsters
[23:16:12] Hyesu: modest ash gren isn't that bad yo

[8/19] <helps a new player, directs them to resources>
[16:46:37] CaterpillarSpoonz: yo gimme a good t-tar set up in this hiz-ouse, please and thanks yall
[16:46:49] Hyesu: run band ttar
[16:47:00] naturemaster: run lagging tail ttar
[16:47:07] VanillaTwilight23: no
[16:47:07] CaterpillarSpoonz: what moveset tho
[16:47:31] CaterpillarSpoonz: pls
[16:47:35] CaterpillarSpoonz: im new to pokemon
[16:47:39] Hyesu: for band, stone miss/pursuit/crunch/fire punch
[16:47:50] CaterpillarSpoonz: thanks fam, thats a big help
[16:48:07] Volcaronaisboss: ttar just has too bad a typing for me to use tbh
[16:48:09] VanillaTwilight23: why is the dumb arrow a ban word
[16:48:15] VanillaTwilight23: is it cuz the green text is annoying
[16:48:18] Foyra: the waht
[16:48:21] Hyesu: if you're new, just use the smogon sets on the dex bruh
[16:48:37] Hyesu: ttar typing isn't bad...its just situational af
[16:48:45] Hyesu: like it rekts the latis and nukes sht in general
[16:48:59] Hyesu: but gets fked up by keldeo/serp/terra/lando/lop
[16:49:12] Hyesu: it also rekts zapdos unless hax occurs
[16:49:23] A Giant Hacksaw: Did somebody say
[16:49:31] A Giant Hacksaw: oh oops I forgot I had that as my HL
[16:49:37] Volcaronaisboss: fighting is just too common imo for ttar to set up
[16:49:47] Hyesu: thats why you go band
[16:49:54] Hyesu: fire off a nice stone miss then swap ur azz out

[8/19] <talks about counters, shows calcs>
[22:30:34] salty 12 year old: why is tapu lele allowed to hold psycium z?
[22:30:43] The Yeet King: why shouldnt it?
[22:30:46] hohoioh: why wouldnt it be able to
[22:30:48] Hyesu: salty
[22:30:51] cuboneslayer: because you touch yourself at night
[22:30:52] Eepsilon: Ikr lol
[22:30:54] Hyesu: dark's exist.
[22:30:59] salty 12 year old: dark's?
[22:31:00] The Yeet King: explodingdaisies
[22:31:01] @Real Jaina: Because OU has plenty of steel and dark types able to switch into it
[22:31:02] Hyesu: steel's exist
[22:31:02] DNNP: hey lil blaine
[22:31:08] DNNP: do you recognize this team
[22:31:12] @Real Jaina: mainly steels
[22:31:16] Hyesu: hell
[22:31:19] DNNP: https://pokepast.es/cf09a61fff1ec43a
[22:31:23] kodemeizter: whats the best set for gliscor toxic stall gliscor ?
[22:31:25] Hyesu: even zam could probably switch in and live
[22:31:27] The Yeet King: why does everyone hate bisharp?
[22:31:30] ObZ McLovin: Psychium z lele > Fightnium Z lele
[22:31:33] DNNP: i just found it in my builder, but i dont know what it is
[22:31:35] Latioswar: Ou steels suck at walling lele
[22:31:41] Hyesu: no?
[22:31:41] RukaRu: Cause Bisharp's low health lets us down.
[22:31:44] cromagnet: except rachi and cele
[22:31:45] Hyesu: celest and skarm
[22:31:49] Hyesu: rachi
[22:31:50] cromagnet: lol not skarm
[22:31:53] Evrios: who hates bisharp
[22:31:57] Hyesu: I love bish
[22:32:00] +Keri: skarm gets crushed by psychic
[22:32:02] Hyesu: sometimes wins games alone.
[22:32:15] MegaStarNova: nah sp.def skarm actually does a good job at switching into non specs lele
[22:32:21] MegaStarNova: i experienced it
[22:32:21] @Real Jaina: spd heatran can come into lele if its missing focus blast
[22:32:28] Hyesu: ok fine no skarm but celest 100% can win
[22:32:34] Hyesu: skarm prob can if he goes spdef
[22:32:37] +Keri: how much does it do
[22:32:39] @Real Jaina: av magearna also exists
[22:33:26] Hyesu: it sounds weird
[22:33:37] Hyesu: but av gross would rekt lele lul
[22:33:39] groudon09: is modest specs a thing cause i heard it can 2hko av mag after a spike
[22:34:08] #false▾: bkc used it on rain
[22:34:10] hohoioh: yea modest is a thing
[22:34:10] dontcallmehoney: modest specs is godlike
[22:34:20] Evrios: is lele the new modest wave
[22:34:34] God of Bop: Modest lele is a monster
[22:34:39] Hyesu: 252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Magearna in Psychic Terrain: 130-153 (35.8 - 42.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
[22:34:42] Hyesu: lele is dead yo
[22:34:45] cromagnet: i like timid more
[22:34:52] Evrios: modest zam, heatran then lele
[22:34:58] cromagnet: dont have to worry about ties with zyg and such
[22:35:03] Kirby's_Account: Hi!
[22:35:08] groudon09: 252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Magearna in Psychic Terrain: 144-169 (39.6 - 46.5%) -- 30.9% chance to 2HKO after 1 layer of Spikes
[22:35:11] Latioswar: 252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Heatran in Psychic Terrain: 174-204 (45 - 52.8%) -- 86.7% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and
[22:35:16] Hyesu: 0 Atk Magearna Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 210-248 (74.7 - 88.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO