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[09:31]	Mishie	Either way, it might be a good idea to actually do it this week for both of them before any more shit can happen.
[09:31]	Teruzi	both?
[09:32]	Teruzi	eh?
[09:32]	Mishie	eris and lumi
[09:32]	Teller	Agreed. Better sooner than later.
[09:32]	Teruzi	oh, were we discussing Eris as well? that one is gonna be, uh, interesting.
[09:32]	Mishie	Teruzi: current plan is Teller talks to Lumi solo to keep shit calm and casual, whilst Eris gets to come in here and shit gets discussed here.
[09:33]	Mishie	Speaking of which, we've tried to help Teller by prepping shit for him to talk about, should we do the same for Eris?
[09:33]	Mishie	That way we don't just invite her in here and it's an awkward mess
[09:34]	Teruzi	Good idea. What are we calling her in here for?
[09:34]	Mishie	I don't have exact logs from shit
[09:34]	Mishie	but tl;dr it's being a disruptive influence, causing shit, being argumentative and also for harassing Bow constantly
[09:35]	Mishie	We keep starting up the conversation about what we're going to do, but then it kinda just dies awkwardly
[09:38]	Teruzi	Alright, what are the shit she's causing?
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[09:39]	Antioch	Keep personal life drama out of the WD channel
[09:39]	Antioch	Stop pestering Wilbur
[09:40]	Teruzi	Hmm, yes. I can see that.
[09:40]	Antioch	Stop being a dick to people in chat that disagree with you
[09:40]	Mishie	Hilariously defensive whenever people criticize her ideas
[09:40]	Antioch	Will bring up more later, am driving
[09:42]	Teruzi	Don't drive and text man!
[09:42]	Teruzi	Jesus
[09:42]	Teruzi	I can wait
[09:42]	Antioch	I'm using a dictation software
[09:43]	Antioch	Also, stoplight
[09:43]	Mishie	rip Antioch
[09:44]	Antioch	I wish I had some form of public transportation in my town
[09:44]	Antioch	I hate driving
[09:44]	Antioch	always feel like I could be doing something better with my time
[09:46]	Teruzi	Drive.
[09:46]	Antioch	I'm done driving
[09:48]	Mishie	that feel when you live just down the road from the main train station in the city and near the main bus hub as well
[09:48]	Mishie	and the citicat is also nearby
[09:48]	Mishie	citycat*
[09:49]	Mishie	anyway
[09:49]	Mishie	as Antioch said, the main points for Eris are:
[09:49]	Mishie	1) Kind of a drama queen
[09:50]	Mishie	2) Always talking about IRL shit in #weaverdice
[09:50]	Mishie	3) Unable to take criticism without getting defensive
[09:51]	Teruzi	Anything else to take note of?
[09:51]	Mishie	4) Attacks people that she doesn't like (usually because they criticized her in the past) at any opportunity, jumping into a convo just to snipe them.
[09:52]	Teruzi	wait, really?
[09:52]	Mishie	I know I've seen it more than a few times.
[09:52]	Mishie	also
[09:53]	Teller	It's a thing she does.
[09:54]	Mishie	Because you missed a lot of shit in the past few days in here Teruzi, some other shit that was decided for general rules were that 1) It doesn't matter if you're right or think you're right, if people are being offended by what you're saying (even if you don't think you're being offensive or don't mean to be) it's still against the rules.  2) IRL excuses for your behavior aren't valid.
[09:56]	Mishie	There miiiiight have been some other shit for general rules as well, but I think that covers most of it
[09:57]	Teruzi	Alright, geez. I'm gone a couple of days and everything happens.
[09:57]	Mishie	Also I think shemetz may have been discussed at one point as somebody who might need a talking to in the future.
[09:58]	Antioch	That one's a big maybe. He's not doing anything wrong, explicitly, but there are a few things that grate.
[09:58]	Teruzi	Shem is, ho, is skirting the line.
[09:58]	Teller	Agreed on #2. Is #1 a paraphrase of something 'bow said in here? Not a bad notion, but the language may need to be tidied up some.
[09:59]	Mishie	yeah it's a paraphrase, just wanted to make shit clear
[09:59]	Teller	nods.
[09:59]	Teruzi	I understand the sentiment at any rate. I don't feel super eager to start helping people that get offended easily tho.
[09:59]	Teruzi	But we all have some sense.
[09:59]	Mishie	well
[10:00]	Mishie	considering how we're already talking to Eris and Lumi
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[10:00]	Mishie	I think we've got that part handled
[10:00]	Mishie	asdfasdfasdfoiasdghlaehrvkawehc;a
[10:00]	Mishie	FIRE ALARM WHY
[10:00]	Antioch	Aw, I thought you were having a stroke
[10:00]	Antioch
[10:01]	Mishie	I'm going to murder people
[10:01]	Mishie	fuck this fucking alarm
[10:01]	Mishie	keeps going off and it's loud as dicks
[10:01]	Mishie	anyway
[10:02]	Teruzi	Evacuate. We will live without you.
[10:02]	Mishie	nope
[10:02]	Mishie	I'm not moving
[10:02]	Teruzi	Or don't move. We will live without you anyways.
[10:02]	Teruzi
[10:02]	Mishie	It's another false alarm, because it's an old as dicks apartment and the alarm goes off when people do dumb shit like burn food or try to smoke pot inside
[10:03]	Mishie	anyway
[10:03]	Teruzi	Alright. You people keep saying worrying stuff.
[10:04]	Mishie	if new rule 1 is "I didn't meant to be a dick isn't an excuse", 2 is "IRL shit isn't an excuse" then maybe 3 should be "If you have a problem with the way somebody is acting, don't blow up at them, talk to an op"
[10:04]	Mishie	ayyyy somebody turned the alarm off finally
[10:05]	Teruzi	I can get behind that, potentially
[10:06]	Mishie	basically, if somebody says something stupid
[10:06]	Mishie	and people make it worse by making big deal of it
[10:06]	Mishie	both sides are in the wrong equally instead of having to deal with he said she said fuckery
[10:06]	Mishie	whilst if somebody tries to start shit and people report it to ops, shit gets sorted
[10:07]	Teruzi	that's so much better worded
[10:07]	Mishie	I'm basically a wordsmith
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[10:27]	Yewnyx	i might amend it to "If you escalate an argument, you share the blame when it blows up.  If you think a discussion might be spiraling out of control, call in an op to sort it out"
[10:27]	Yewnyx	lest someone start crap about how "but I'm not _equally_ in the wrong"
[10:29]	Antioch	Seconded.
[10:29]	Teruzi	Reasonable
[10:29]	Clarvel	3rdeded
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[11:15]	Wildbow	Rule 1 should probably include 'Be respectful of the person on the other side, and respect the rest of the room.'
[11:15]	Wildbow	Going off topic or carrying on a 'civil' discussion to the detriment of the other 20 people in the room is bad.
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[12:28]	Mishie	[12:04]	Eris|GM	This boy in my grade keeps sending me creepy texts at night, I'm just feeling paranoid and unstable.
[12:28]	Mishie	[12:07]	Eris|GM	Glernaj, I'm a borderline juvenile delinquent, I have a chance of losing some even if I win some here...
[12:28]	Glernaj	Yeaaaaaaaah
[12:28]	Glernaj	I'm suuuuuuuper skeptical here
[12:28]	Teruzi	I don't even know
[12:29]	Teruzi	when to believe her
[12:29]	Teruzi	I just assume she lies way too much
[12:29]	Teruzi	and constantly
[12:29]	Mishie	friendly reminder
[12:29]	Clarvel	name = eris
[12:29]	Clarvel	surprisingly fitting
[12:29]	Mishie	that she also said that she was in a car accident
[12:29]	Mishie	and that she broke her arm and her friend died
[12:29]	Teruzi	right
[12:29]	Teruzi	yep
[12:29]	Glernaj	sighs.
[12:29]	Mishie	but after she said it it's never been mentioned
[12:29]	Mishie	or effected anything
[12:29]	Gundor	shakes head
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[12:31]	Mishie	tbf tho
[12:31]	Teruzi	Yes.
[12:31]	Mishie	best line out of all of it
[12:31]	Mishie	[12:22]	Teruzi	also Brut, honestly? It might work with me
[12:31]	Mishie
[12:31]	Teruzi	Mishie, baby, I don't see the point in lying.
[12:31]	Mishie	<3
[12:32]	Mishie	[12:32]	Eris|GM	I'm so weirded out because, for example, my friend Vivian is extremely attractive and rather wanton, I've seen her date two guys at once, but she still doesn't get the harassment and that shit to the degree that I do.
[12:39]	Mishie	[12:39]	Eris|GM	Broken ankle a month ago, I have burn wounds from the car accident
[12:39]	Clarvel	^
[12:39]	Mishie	90% sure she said she broke an arm in the accident
[12:39]	Mishie
[12:39]	Mishie	like
[12:39]	Mishie	99% sure
[12:40]	Clarvel	and honestly trying to get pity points like this is incredibly annoying
[12:40]	Clarvel	I wanna say this in main at her
[12:42]	Teruzi	PM it to her at any rate.
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[12:43]	Mishie	Teruzi: I think we're waiting
[12:43]	Teller	Blah. That doesn't seem like a conversation that would go anywhere, Clarvel.
[12:43]	Teruzi	I, uh, don't think it's a good idea. She will just deflect.
[12:43]	Mishie	for when we have a group chat with her
[12:43]	Mishie	rip Clarvel
[12:43]	Teruzi	Yeah, I'm trying to find a book I had on that subject. Somethin about active conversations or something.
[12:43]	Clarvel
[12:44]	Clarvel	fades back into background
[12:44]	Clarvel	appologetically
[12:45]	Clarvel	but srsly, I refuse to beleive someone's life is that bad
[12:45]	Wildbow	I probably shouldn't have said that
[12:45]	Wildbow	Oh well
[12:45]	Mishie	realtalk
[12:45]	Gundor	<+<
[12:45]	Mishie	I know SCG wanted to be here for this
[12:46]	Gundor	At least you said it politely
[12:46]	Mishie	but at the rate shit is going in #parahumans
[12:46]	Mishie	we might want to move shit to here
[12:46]	Clarvel	yeah, sooner rather than later I'm feeling
[12:46]	Teruzi	Yep
[12:47]	Mishie	well
[12:47]	Mishie	most of us are here
[12:47]	Mishie	although I think Antioch is afk
[12:48]	Clarvel	'its a firedrill', and 'lol, not leavin'
[12:50]	Wildbow	What is it exactly that you're wanting to do/say?
[12:51]	Mishie	That now might as well be a good time to talk to Eris
[12:51]	Clarvel	I dont think we've explicitly thought about what we need to make clear
[12:51]	Mishie	or at least get some words started
[12:51]	Teruzi	what are we addressing? and how?
[12:52]	Mishie	[09:49]	Mishie	1) Kind of a drama queen
[12:52]	Mishie	[09:50]	Mishie	2) Always talking about IRL shit in #weaverdice
[12:52]	Mishie	[09:50]	Mishie	3) Unable to take criticism without getting defensive
[12:52]	Mishie	[09:51]	Mishie	4) Attacks people that she doesn't like (usually because they criticized her in the past) at any opportunity, jumping into a convo just to snipe them.
[12:52]	Mishie	also we might be overthinking things
[12:52]	Mishie	since we're kinda just saying the same things over and over
[12:54]	Teruzi	yes
[12:57]	Wildbow	1 is hard to pin down
[12:57]	Wildbow	But ok
[13:06]	Teller	I'm here for discussion, if we're all on the same page about what we need to say. And if we think Eris will be receptive to it at the moment.
[13:06]	Teller	Well, she's now Erislumber.
[13:07]	Mishie	and I kiiiiinda have to leave now
[13:08]	Glernaj	I'm just kinda bemused that she threw out a crack about pedophiles in boy scouts and bitched about boy scout solidarity by eagle scouts, in front of 2 eagle scouts in the channel
[13:15]	Wildbow	What was it she said?
[13:16]	Mishie	when she was talking about the reason why she was in trouble for slander at school
[13:18]	Teruzi	Hm, I guess it moves on for tomorrow. I have to sleep now as well.
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[13:23]	Glernaj	Wildbow: [21:17] <Eris|GM> It wasn't even in context. At lunch I had made the joke that "Every successful boyscout had a successful pedophile behind it," which was... yea. A lot of kids laughed, and it got spread around. A kid who already had a grudge with me, assumed that it was targeted at him, because he was a boyscout earlier, and then went to the disciplinary, who is al
[13:23]	Glernaj	[21:17] <Eris|GM> so apparently an eagle scout.