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[Ed note: Before Jade brought this up, there wasn't any discussion of LGBT stuff as far as I can tell]

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#World-Billiard:

JadeOfMaarToday at 10:48 AM
The problem with LGBT is not only that it's a mental and social construct that defies God's plan for how the human body works, and how relationships work, but the activism associated with it is a giant evil propaganda device trying to destroy the world.

NatsuXToday at 10:48 AM
I swear to god can we please have a thonk emote
Every good server needs a thonk emote

GRSToday at 10:49 AM
:thinkyboi:

ArthurToday at 10:51 AM
LGBT is a real true problem

NatsuXToday at 10:52 AM
Let's Get some BlT

JadeOfMaarToday at 10:52 AM
If y'al hav paid attention to the news much then it's pretty sad. There are several accounts of things like LGBT couples suing/litigating Christian-themed institutions (from as small as a Christian couple's bakery to as big as Churches/Cathedrals) when they're denied service. And it's kinda of a duh that you'd be denied service if you go to a Chuch to get married because everyone knows the thing: "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve"

NatsuXToday at 10:53 AM
https://xkcd.com/1003/
xkcd: Adam and Eve

Abel and Steve would've been fine! I like Steve!
Huh

JadeOfMaarToday at 10:53 AM
There's also the thing where LGBT activisim is forcing preschools to teach children that there are 15+ genders and forcing the children to choose and accomodate these, and to learn how to pleasure people/each other because sex is such a big deal now

NatsuXToday at 10:54 AM
Image quality is terrible on the phone

JadeOfMaarToday at 10:54 AM
Natsu. Please. Stop finding opportunities to make a joke in absolutely everything. I find it incredibly annoying.

ZaffreToday at 10:54 AM
Don't throw stones in that glass house of yours.

JadeOfMaarToday at 10:55 AM
I've heard that several teachers in the UK quit their jobs in order to resist it.

NatsuXToday at 10:55 AM
Nice you're a reasonable human being

JadeOfMaarToday at 11:00 AM
There are also the great and obvious issues surrounding gay sex and disease spreading, the "need" for shared/unified bathrooms for extra (or no, or all) genders, and the amount of PC and indoctrination that's being carried by TV shows and movies now.

ArthurToday at 11:04 AM
I hate the fact every series / movie producers need to put lgbtq+anwhduzb people in
And also all colors of skin etc

AR3SToday at 11:07 AM
i remember watching stranger things 3 and they added like 523894583904589034590 new characters to tick all the boxes

JadeOfMaarToday at 11:07 AM
Underground societies finally getting the chance/making the way to "come out" and be accepted as normal. We're not bound for a Star Trek future. Self-annihilation or a single giant dictatorship will be the final chapter in the book of mankind's history.

AR3SToday at 11:07 AM
and then they kill off all my fav characters :angry:
ive always thought mankinds existence will end in a singularity (futurism one, not physics)

JadeOfMaarToday at 11:09 AM
I've heard reports of an LGBT character being forced in one of the most recent MCU movies (that I haven't seen yet). Which character is that?

AR3SToday at 11:09 AM
dunno MCU is pretty bad
poorly written

JadeOfMaarToday at 11:09 AM
I neve heard "who it is" but just that they're there.

ArthurToday at 11:10 AM
Idk

JadeOfMaarToday at 11:10 AM
I heard just now about a huge catfight at the end of Endgame? Lol

ArthurToday at 11:10 AM
I think LGBT people shouldn't be "legal"
Now try to get if that's a joke or not
(Actually it depends of my mood)

JadeOfMaarToday at 11:11 AM
That's as poor as any movie's writing can get.

ZaffreToday at 11:12 AM
Endgame had its problems but that's not one of them.
Makes me giggle seeing people whine like 5 year-olds over such a short scene. :kerblol:

JadeOfMaarToday at 11:13 AM
If you're born a boy but you've always felt like you should be a girl, that's gotta be either a hormone imbalance you have to live with, or your parents or the TV screwed with you through all your most formative years.
Androgynes(?) are a thing, after all.

GrandProtectorDarkToday at 11:15 AM
What even is going on here

ZaffreToday at 11:15 AM
Salt.

Just_a_shawnToday at 11:16 AM
Lgbtq+ stuff

GrandProtectorDarkToday at 11:16 AM
I did not expect to hear all this from Jade

Just_a_shawnToday at 11:17 AM
^

GrandProtectorDarkToday at 11:19 AM
@JadeOfMaar are you really that strongly against LGBT?

NatsuXToday at 11:23 AM
My bet is that Falcon comes out as gay
It's perfect for the agenda

ArthurToday at 11:24 AM
What

GrandProtectorDarkToday at 11:24 AM
Who?

NatsuXToday at 11:24 AM
Why

ArthurToday at 11:24 AM
Actually, I don't have any problems about people that likes x or y or feel like a or b
But
Hm
Like
I'm fine with people coming in schools and try to make people being more comfortable with themselves etc

ZaffreToday at 11:27 AM
I really don't give a rat's anus either way, but it does amuse me watching all of the pathetic, childish drivel be spewed over such a minor thing.

ArthurToday at 11:28 AM
Like, I've seen a video saying that "doctors are wrong when they tell the sex to the baby at its birth" like wtf
Not, they're correct xD

ArthurToday at 11:38 AM
So yeah
Tbf, I would give everything to be hetero
Like everyone

AndrewToday at 2:15 PM
@JadeOfMaar  are you seriously that homophobic?
Like seriously I'm kind of at awe at how homophobic and transphobic you are being, and how you are encouraging that toxic thinking. That's really sad
What's especially toxic is that you are encouraging that thinking to someone like Arthur who you know is gay and has trouble accepting his sexuality
And I'm truly sorry if that hurts your feelings :rolling_eyes:

AR3SToday at 2:22 PM
Makes you think
Someone with that much hate towards a large group of people moderating a discord

ZaffreToday at 2:25 PM
Mhmm.  Not exactly setting a good example.

AR3SToday at 2:25 PM
Indeed
Judging how he kicked someone the other day for immaturity

AndrewToday at 2:26 PM
Like I'm sorry jade but you are acting like a disgusting person.
You are totally ignorant of the damage you are perpetuating

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:27 PM
I'm not homophobic. It's the way that things are going as part of the LGBT's pursuit of rights and equality.

AR3SToday at 2:28 PM
Some of LGBT's rights are extreme i.e the preschool thing
But I do believe that gay relationships should be normalised for children more

AndrewToday at 2:29 PM
You are homophobic jade

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:29 PM
Fine. I am. :frowning: But I'm not perpetuating damage. I'm aware of the damage that's being driven and being masked.

AR3SToday at 2:29 PM
You don't know if you are or not

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:29 PM
I haven't tried to force anything on Arthur for as long as I've known he's gay.

AndrewToday at 2:30 PM
You are perpetuating damage. You are perpetuating the idea that there is something abnormal and wrong about being gay

AR3SToday at 2:30 PM
But you've expressed homophobic views
You are essentially saying it's wrong to be gay

AndrewToday at 2:30 PM
You realize the things you are saying have made me think about killing myself?

AR3SToday at 2:30 PM
And that it is still unnatural

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:31 PM
But being gay is wrong an unnatural. The animals might do it. But we are above the animals. We shouldn't be using them as an excuse. (I've seen that card played)
I have no intent to cause people to hurt or kill themselves though.

AndrewToday at 2:31 PM
What is wrong and unnatural about it homophobe?

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:31 PM
I'm not so grim.

AR3SToday at 2:31 PM
Sounds pretty homophobic

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:33 PM
Two men or two women getting together do not bring about children. There needs to be a male figure and a female figure for children to happen and for a family to be balanced.

GrandProtectorDarkToday at 2:33 PM
Animals in nature do it, but it is unnatural when humans do it
Wat

AndrewToday at 2:33 PM
What does children have to do with it?
Infertile people can't have children either

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:33 PM
There is a fundamental problem with the idea of gay couples adopting children and the efforts in the scientific community to make it so two men can produce a child.

AR3SToday at 2:33 PM
Artificial insemination? Or am I thinking of another thing

AndrewToday at 2:34 PM
Facts don't care about your feelings jade

GrandProtectorDarkToday at 2:34 PM
Is there a problem though?
What problem?

AR3SToday at 2:34 PM
@GrandProtectorDark jade is being homophobic and just killed his reputation

AndrewToday at 2:34 PM
By the way just the same way you think I'm disgusting for being gay I think you're disgusting for being a homophobe

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:35 PM
@GrandProtectorDark Animals are below us and will do anything, like eat their own crap or their own vomit. Someone did use the excuse that animals do it, to justify being gay.
I didn't say you're disgusting.

GrandProtectorDarkToday at 2:35 PM
Well
Especially humans being sapient makes this matter even less TBH

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:35 PM
And I never ever went "Ewww! Gay!!!" at someone.

AndrewToday at 2:35 PM
So you're pulling that "hate the sin, love the sinner" nonsense?

StarCrusher96Today at 2:36 PM
People may have their own opinions, respect them and go on with life ...

AndrewToday at 2:36 PM
Jade you already said that you think being gay is wrong, you can't have it both ways

AR3SToday at 2:36 PM
@StarCrusher96 but this is out right insulting and just disgraceful

GrandProtectorDarkToday at 2:37 PM
Are you implying that being gay is being uncivilised or am I understanding this wrong?
Humans are, have always been and willl always be, Animals

AndrewToday at 2:37 PM
I'm not going to respect someone who thinks certain people are disgusting for an immutable characteristic  @StarCrusher96

ZaffreToday at 2:37 PM
The thing is, folks can't help being gay.  Nothing is going to change that.  The best you can do is embrace them for who they are and love them as you do everyone else.  Complaining and whining about non-existant agendas and bogus will do you no good.

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:37 PM
I like and admire you, but not that you're gay, neither the fact that being gay is quite arguably the cause of your daily troubles (sorry if any doxxing)

AndrewToday at 2:38 PM
I don't care jade you lost all my respect

AR3SToday at 2:38 PM
... but you said earlier it was
Same here

ZaffreToday at 2:38 PM
Fact of the matter is you know people in your life that are homo.  You just don't know it yet.  I've had that happen and I don't think any lower of them.  In fact I think higher of them, for being who they are.

GrandProtectorDarkToday at 2:38 PM
It wouldn't be the source of troubles if people would be more accepting.

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:38 PM
I don't think less of people for being gay

GrandProtectorDarkToday at 2:38 PM
Weren't the greeks pretty open with being gay?

AndrewToday at 2:38 PM
You do

AR3SToday at 2:38 PM
@GrandProtectorDark yes

AndrewToday at 2:38 PM
You've demonstrated you do

StarCrusher96Today at 2:38 PM
Jade is allowed to have his opinions, whether people like it or not ... freedom of thoughts. I'm defending not his thoughts but dont call somebody out because of different ideologies.

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:38 PM
Y'all are like angry dogs looking to tear someone up right now.

AR3SToday at 2:39 PM
Personally I feel like that too
But you are being just generally horrid in your views

AndrewToday at 2:39 PM
I'm sorry but with the stuff I've dealt with I'm not going to let someone off the hook for being homophobic

AR3SToday at 2:39 PM
I'm not even gay

GrandProtectorDarkToday at 2:39 PM
Is this an issue with being gay, or is this an Issue with hiw SJW treat the issue?

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:40 PM
@StarCrusher96 I'm allowed to have my opinions... Until these opinions cross the LGBT border. That's literally what the propaganda is teaching people.
It's all over the place

GrandProtectorDarkToday at 2:40 PM
"Propaganda"

AndrewToday at 2:40 PM
Are you Alex Jones?

ZaffreToday at 2:40 PM
Lemme guess, it's because of the big bad SJWs
And their "agendas"

AndrewToday at 2:41 PM
You're the one who's spreading propaganda jade
"the gays" are simply trying to live their life the way they want, and you see that as propaganda. As trump would say, "Sad!"

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:42 PM
Dude, stop.

GrandProtectorDarkToday at 2:42 PM
Why

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:42 PM
There is a political and educational agenda in progress. I'm calling that out, not the individual.
I'm not hating on anyone here, and not because of how they are

AR3SToday at 2:43 PM
Well the agenda affects the individual

StarCrusher96Today at 2:43 PM
Alright I'm gay myself and at a certain age where I've seen some stuff. And i can only tell that indeed there is a problem with 'being homophobic because you dont like gays'. I'm all for gay rights but tbh this is the same with racial issues. Same with religion ...

GrandProtectorDarkToday at 2:43 PM
Also, If we are above animals, above "nature", then shouldn't humans be able to freely choose how to be?

AR3SToday at 2:43 PM
It's like learning about segregation in hind sight

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:43 PM
I'm speaking of what's going on with society, what the people in power are doing to shape things.

AndrewToday at 2:43 PM
Are the Jews also pushing an agenda too Jade?

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:43 PM
Andrew, you're just trolling now and picking a fight.

AndrewToday at 2:43 PM
What you're saying is a parody of itself

AR3SToday at 2:44 PM
Are the blacks?

ZaffreToday at 2:44 PM
The people in power are putting in agendas for scapegoating and seizing power.  Homo folks hold little to zero power in actuality.

AndrewToday at 2:44 PM
@JadeOfMaar gonna kick me? Go ahead

AR3SToday at 2:44 PM
We're picking a fight because you've insulted people
Kick any of us. I'll just invite them to Vega

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:44 PM
I did not insult. You guys are showing some serious poor manners

AndrewToday at 2:45 PM
And seriously, if you don't get punished for this, I'm leaving this server. I don't want to be a part of a community that doesn't punish homophobia

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:45 PM
And I'm not going to kick because you're gay. That's just stupid

AndrewToday at 2:45 PM
Didn't say that

ZaffreToday at 2:45 PM
@AR3S For a moment I thought you said Vegeta, ngl.

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:45 PM
You want me to kick you though

AR3SToday at 2:45 PM
Oof

AndrewToday at 2:45 PM
No I don't

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:45 PM
Well learn some restraint, man :/

AndrewToday at 2:45 PM
What you think I'm a liberal snowflake who likes to be a victim?
Restraint! Lol that's so funny.

GrandProtectorDarkToday at 2:46 PM
Jade,
This is a transition period.
Those are always messy and all over the place.
Those people have previously been opressed or silenced.
Now they can express themself, but comming directly out of the former, things are going to be unbalanced and misdirected before a proper balance is found and the SJW extremist portion crap isn't as prevelant anymore

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:46 PM
Don't dare me to kick you, just because you're upset that I don't like an agenda

GrandProtectorDarkToday at 2:46 PM
Daring to abuse mod powers because they don't want to argue

AndrewToday at 2:46 PM
Okay well I guess I'll go around spreading Jewish conspiracy theories and get upset when people get upset at me for it. Does that sound logical jade?

AR3SToday at 2:47 PM
^

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:48 PM
Help yourself. :rolling_eyes:

AndrewToday at 2:49 PM
Hey jade I think there's something wrong about being jewish. It's unnatural and wrong. They're invading the education system and spreading jewish propaganda into the minds of children. Oh but I'm just calling out an "agenda" so don't get mad at me

AR3SToday at 2:49 PM
They're also corrupting our media

AndrewToday at 2:50 PM
They're in control of everything guys! Run!

AR3SToday at 2:50 PM
Maybe we need to have an offensive against them

GregroxToday at 2:50 PM
I thought we moved past this homophobic bullshit in the 90s

SkyPhoenix999Today at 2:50 PM
Maybe we should just focus on healing crystals

GregroxToday at 2:50 PM
Y'all just stop

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:50 PM
Andrew. I understand that you're still young and very troubled. Try to understand and do cease with the stabbing.

GregroxToday at 2:50 PM
I am OFFICIALLY  ending this conversation here.

AndrewToday at 2:50 PM
Cool

GregroxToday at 2:51 PM
Jade, that includes you

SkyPhoenix999Today at 2:51 PM
Please do

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:51 PM
:/

Plecy75Today at 3:12 PM
oh sry didn't see that the convo got modhammered

ArthurToday at 3:46 PM
Oh god.


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#Moderation


GregroxToday at 2:47 PM
@JadeOfMaar
Please
Stop

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:52 PM
Tell Andrew to stop.
He and Arthur went off like utter BOMBS
And I'm trying to keep calm. They're all trying to burn down the house.
He's welcome to remove himself from the server. Again. At this point. I'm not going to take his bait and kick him.
And GPD has inflated himself to 100x the dick he usually is.

GregroxToday at 2:54 PM
Just because you're staying calm and civil doesn't mean you're not advocating a hateful ideology
there's no lgbt agenda beyond "hey maybe we should treat lgbt people like they're not subhuman"
and homosexuality is not a mental illness
People are right to get mad when you're insulting a big part of someone's identity by calling it "wrong"

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:56 PM
You also don't see it. The activists and politicians behind the LGBT camp push their teachings into schools, to teach the little ones that there are 15+ genders, to de-power their parents of authority, to encourage gross sex practices, to hate on Christians in particular. Teachers in the UK have quit in protest.
There's more to things than most people get to know.

GregroxToday at 2:57 PM
except that's all conspiratorial bullshit!

JadeOfMaarToday at 2:57 PM
It's not. :/
Sorry Thomas. I was now about to say I don't want to entertain such a convo anymore.
Drawn-out debates aren't my thing
And I don't want to have that in here

TMSPToday at 3:00 PM
But that blames a majority for what a loud minority does, imo. If you just say "LGBTQ" you don't make a difference between "LGBTQ people" and "LGBTQ activisism/movement/whatever"

JadeOfMaarToday at 3:00 PM
I made it clear that I'm against the movement and not the individual.

TMSPToday at 3:00 PM
And by not making that differenciation you blame individuals for they (unwilling) association to something
And I can understand why people will get thrown off by that

JadeOfMaarToday at 3:02 PM
A loud minority is a powerful tool to any agenda.

TMSPToday at 3:02 PM
And sorry to say that but for me, after skimming over the chat in #world-billiard, it was not immideatly clear to me that you did differenciate. Maybe I didn't read everything in detail. But other people certainly might overread it as well.
I am not blaming anyone to be clear

JadeOfMaarToday at 3:03 PM
Plus, all those guys are children. They know all they "need" to know thanks to TV and feature films

TMSPToday at 3:03 PM
I just made the experience that when talking about those things you have to add that in big bold letters because everyone reads whatever they want

JadeOfMaarToday at 3:03 PM
It's fine by me, Thomas. I can trust in how level-headed you are
Yeah. Selective reading. You can count on it.

TMSPToday at 3:44 PM
@JadeOfMaar After this has hopefully been enough time for everyone involved to calm down:

Would you consider clarifying your stance on this whole topic in #world-billiard, and eventually apologizing to the people that might have been attacked or hurt by it?

To be clear:

I am not asking you to post something you don't believe in. But given that it was a quite emotional topic, it might help if you clarified that everything you said was about activists and their actions, not about LGBT people. I didn't get everything correctly, others certainly did too.

And I am also not asking you to call names and apologize to people (Andrew for example) directly.

Don't feel forced by me. But there was a valid concern that people have a different impression now about someone representing this server, and it would help if that was cleared up as far as possible, without a heated discussion.

JadeOfMaarToday at 4:19 PM
My statements were about activists and their actions, about basically everything Greg dismisses as conspiracy BS. I'm not sure I have much to apologize for... But indeed i do need to make some things clear. My "bigoted" views have no impact on what this server stands for, nor how I handle people as a moderator.
It'll take me a while to think things through and phrase them well.
Well maybe I'm not against the activists, but those in power who are driving it.

GregroxToday at 4:30 PM
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In addition to your hateful conspiracies you have explicitly condemned gayness itself as being wrong, and have had a direct negative effect on the mental health of some of the people of this community
I insist that you step down as a moderator
This is after a long discussion in which Thomas has explicitly decided to remain neutral. This is not a rash decision.
If you were anyone other than a moderator I'd have already kicked or banned you for that.
It doesn't matter if your intention is not to see harm come to people, your words are hurtful, they make people feel unsafe in this community, and that is not acceptable.