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	therock	Hi
	cappodocians	hey
	therock	AquaSeaFoam has to run for a bit, I'm tagging in as a pinch negotiator
	therock	that cool?
	cappodocians	yea
	cappodocians	I understand CF till yr8 is unreasonable
	cappodocians	I propose you a CF till end of year 6
	cappodocians	it is 2 weeks below our offer and 1 week above yours
	therock	with any notice afterwards?
	cappodocians	48 hours
	therock	and any restrictions on being able to give notice?
	cappodocians	cannot give notice if kds arent within 15% of eachothers acres range
	therock	i assume that's acres, not NW
	cappodocians	acres wise yes
	therock	heh
	therock	didn't notice you said acres range
	therock	my b
	cappodocians	what do you think ? I think its reasonable ..
	therock	it's a very long cf, is the thing
	cappodocians	things have to come from both sides
	therock	agreed
	therock	compromise is fair
	therock	its a very long cf tho
	therock	especially as we haven't even left year 1
	cappodocians	soon in year 2
	cappodocians	thats 4 weeks basically
	cappodocians	its not that long to send a cow up
	therock	it's only been 3 weeks for the age so far lol
	cappodocians	I mean thats 4 weeks of cfs
	cappodocians	basically
	therock	sure
	therock	but that's basically a 4 week free sci pump and cow pump, no?
	cappodocians	well you want a cow nap ?
	cappodocians	I can give you cow nap
	cappodocians	I dont mind
	therock	hm
	therock	hadn't even thought about that, tbh
	dorje	what is a cow nap?
	dorje	i know flogger is in love with this proverbial form of cf but when he says it he means if 2 kingdoms war each cow is free to farm the other side
	therock	well, we'd have to define that, dorje
	dorje	which i don't think other cows, of either side, should think is ok
	therock	the only kind of cow nap i think is reasonable is when cows don't touch the other kd, period
	therock	and for the record, i'm sorry about what happened with our cow nap last age, cappodocians
	therock	i was gone for about 2 months, midway through our fight with funshow
	therock	the other leaders didnt ask me about it until it was too late
	cappodocians	it happens ..
	cappodocians	but you gave us the acres back so thats fine ..
	cappodocians	theorck dorje
	cappodocians	I wanna come up with a deal now
	therock	ok
	cappodocians	I offer a cf till end of year 6, cannot give notice if kds arent within 15% of eachothers acres range
	cappodocians	and cow nap if you like
	cappodocians	Iand 48 hours notice
	therock	one min plz
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	cappodocians	k
	therock	sorry
	therock	im handling 3 crises at once
	therock	and i really have to pee :x
	cappodocians	ive been trying to settle this deal since 7 pm, its over midnight
	therock	jeez
	therock	you do diplo like hesus lol
	therock	he and i negotiated for 12h once
	therock	nonstop
	cappodocians	well I just siad hi to dorje, he didnt think it was important at the begining
	cappodocians	so he just went away
	cappodocians	:p
	therock	haha
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	cappodocians	can we agree on something ?
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	therock	on a deal?
	therock	or a temp deal so we can resume talks tomorrow?
	cappodocians	on a deal
	cappodocians	right now
	cappodocians	<AquaSeaFoam> good question. it's not "me" refusing it though, i was in favor of some sort of deal before also but all kds were against it then.
	cappodocians	so its up to you
	cappodocians	I gotta know, aqua didnt even mind cfing till year 8
	therock	well, being honest, im not playing in an abs kd atm
	cappodocians	so tell me if you guys agree to my offer
	therock	i'm a poobah, but i'm not in Mercy
	therock	since it's a big deal, i'm trying to slap all my monarchs to get them on to look and stuff
	cappodocians	you slaping them only now ?
	therock	well, i only got here about 30 mins ago
	therock	i think ASF was talking to them
	therock	but i'm filling them in on your new offer
	cappodocians	k thx man
	therock	np
	therock	i hate late night diplo too man
	therock	midnight where you are?
	cappodocians	france
	therock	nice
	therock	cappodocians
	therock	a few of the people are on board
	therock	the biggest hurdle we have is that some people are afraid you're going to sit there and get ridic, since you'll have long term cfs with both sides
	therock	and that a deal that long, with a 15% clearance, is still kinda wide
	therock	at 200k, you guys could give notice down to 170k
	therock	i think the only way to get a deal done right now is to either say end yr6, 5% acres difference for notice
	cappodocians	like anyone got something to say
	cappodocians	except asf
	cappodocians	you
	therock	or do end yr5, 20% difference
	cappodocians	and dorje
	therock	i cant make them take a deal they don't want
	therock	that's not how we work
	cappodocians	well
	cappodocians	asf proposed me year 6 15%
	therock	if you want to offer it on a kd by kd basis, that could work for some
	cappodocians	apparently the rest were ok
	cappodocians	with year 6 and 15%
	therock	ASF left before he could talk to about half of them
	cappodocians	invite hesus into the channel
	cappodocians	I have to go soon
	cappodocians	he will keep on the diplo
	cappodocians	to settle this deal
	*	therock invited hesus into the channel.
	therock	sure
	therock	it's +s and +k
	therock	key is talk
	therock	feel free to bring in any of your guys that you need
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	AquaSeaFoam	back
	hesus	hi
	hesus	cappo and i would like to come to a deal quite soon if thats possible
	hesus	i heard AquaSeaFoam offered cf to yr6 48 notice and a 15% range thing
	hesus	is that a standing offer?
	therock	no
	AquaSeaFoam	it was a proposed discussion point ya
	AquaSeaFoam	wasn't a formal offer
	hesus	ok then what is your offer
	AquaSeaFoam	it was to try and get some concensus before presenting again to council
	hesus	i am sick and i dont want to spend to much time in irc.. that offer sounds reasonable enough atm so if u want we can go for it..instead of lowering the offer every 10 minutes when another of your monarchs voices their opinion
	AquaSeaFoam	i just got back, but it looks like the main issue is that ppl think 15% is too wide still
	hesus	well u said 20% , thats ok
	hesus	or wait
	hesus	man
	hesus	my head hurts
	hesus	dont make it hurt more!
	hesus	tell please what you offer
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	AquaSeaFoam	i literally just got back 1 min before you entered
	AquaSeaFoam	rock?
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	AquaSeaFoam	[16:38:16] <~therock> i think the only way to get a deal done right now is to either say end yr6, 5% acres difference for notice
	therock	what's up
	hesus	come on 5% thats stupid that basically means we can never give a notice if u just manage to keep 5% away from us as long as u like
	AquaSeaFoam	(i had proposed we discuss cf to start of yr 6 before btw)
	therock	[18:34] <~therock> a few of the people are on board
	therock	[18:35] <~therock> the biggest hurdle we have is that some people are afraid you're going to sit there and get ridic, since you'll have long term cfs with both sides
	therock	[18:35] <~therock> and that a deal that long, with a 15% clearance, is still kinda wide
	therock	[18:35] <~therock> at 200k, you guys could give notice down to 170k
	therock	[18:38] <~therock> i think the only way to get a deal done right now is to either say end yr6, 5% acres difference for notice
	therock	[18:38] <~therock> or do end yr5, 20% difference
	AquaSeaFoam	i had previously proposed start of yr 6 (end of yr 5) with 15%
	therock	hesus, with that much time, i don't see how anyone can hope to come within 5%
	hesus	who knows , sanc might just fight funshow again or smth lidat
	AquaSeaFoam	heh
	hesus	basically if they pass us with 10% more land that would mean we could not give notice either when we have a 5% deal
	AquaSeaFoam	funny and true :P
	therock	hesus, you realize they'd have to take about a third of funshow's acres just to get within 5% of you?
	AquaSeaFoam	that isn't what was meant.  if they were within 5% or bigger was the intent
	therock	^that
	therock	obv if they're bigger you can give notice
	hesus	ok
	therock	but late age, 15% isn't huge
	therock	a 300k acre kd giving notice to a 245k acre kd?
	therock	that's the kind of deal that fucks you in the ass late age
	hesus	255k
	therock	also, my math is pro
	hesus	well what u wannt really is that we dont give notices to bottomfeed afterwe pumped right? or to just give a notice to help one of our friends?
	hesus	15% is decent enough, its the dragon range !
	hesus	who can argue with a dragon
	hesus	ahhw wait thats nw ofc
	hesus	told u.. im not thinking straight :[
	hesus	like rock said cf til end yr5 with 20% range thing is smth we can agree to i guess
	hesus	even 15% if u please
	therock	it's acres, not nw
	therock	lol
	hesus	yea i corrected myself already
	therock	<3
	hesus	*Blush*
	therock	:p
	therock	also you must delete a prov and bring in a new one named therock pwns!!!
	therock	jk
	therock	sec, talkin that bit over
	hesus	anyway as u can see im pretty loose with the offer so gimme a good one and we can probbly agree on it
	therock	ok
	therock	wtf where were you like this last age
	hesus	hehe
	hesus	i get nicer every age
	hesus	-.-
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	therock	it must be the french guy
	therock	you and marcel were like grinches last age
	dorje	much easier to be lenient when you have something to lose
	hesus	i was waiting for u to say that!
	hesus	... :-(
	therock	?
	hesus	well im waiting
	hesus	i know u are discussing things but im sick and iw ant to go back to bed :(
	therock	sorry
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	hesus	im not gonna wait til sanc finished training a shitload of defspecs fyi
	therock	that's reasonable
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	hesus	ok look the only reason im on the pc is because i am waiting for u guys to say smth
	hesus	so please..
	AquaSeaFoam	umm, i think the big issue is that dorje is away for 40 min
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	AquaSeaFoam	however, i think we can accept cf to start of YR6 with the 5% clause
	hesus	5% sucks.. 10% and its done
	AquaSeaFoam	sec
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	hesus	that was 600 secs
	hesus	already
	hesus	u constantly making the deal more to your liking while we are constantly giving in , we said 25% you said 10%. im saying ok and now u want 5% ..
	hesus	5 minutes i wait more
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	hesus	are u telling me 3 hours of talks is not enough to come to a decision
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	hesus	all those brains of u together should certainly be able to reach a conclusion
	AquaSeaFoam	well, i think we started at 48h notice ;0
	AquaSeaFoam	so we've both budged
	AquaSeaFoam	stillw aiting for more feedback
	hesus	what shit is 48h notice we put scools and u give notice
	hesus	no good to us
	AquaSeaFoam	well at least 48h notice would give you time to convert out, so better than no notice
	AquaSeaFoam	anyway, just need a bit of feedback still
	hesus	if its not solved b4 the tick i will put orders to raze sanc cow and go to bed i dont care im sick and im not in the mood to talk for fuckin hours
	hesus	u made offers already that seemed reasonale and now ur getting back from them
	hesus	my kd is online and waiting for a decision too i cant keep them waiting forever
	hesus	its 2 am in europe and most our players are european
	AquaSeaFoam	the main problem is dorje had to go away until 15 more min or so and no one else seems to want to agree or disagree
	hesus	well its not my responsbility if hes here or not mate u can decide for him then or give him a call , im pretty sure he already voiced his opinion about it anyway
	hesus	and hes the one whos also gonna be sufering first if we dont make a deal
	AquaSeaFoam	he basically said he was fine with fighting
	hesus	well then
	hesus	u couldve said so 3 hrs ago
	AquaSeaFoam	however if the deal seems reasonable he'd prob be ok with accepting it
	AquaSeaFoam	so his opinion wasn't that clear
	AquaSeaFoam	best would be to propose the current deal to him and get a yes or no
	hesus	coz 3 hrs ago dorje was like smart move making the 1  bounce to show what u are capable of and he said he wanted a cf but he didnt want the same to happen with the rest of abs which is why he wanted us to make a deal with whole abs
	AquaSeaFoam	well in that time i guess he did some math and determined that they could hurt you pretty ehavily in a fight
	hesus	yeah and stay in fw forever or maye give us the button and get owned
	AquaSeaFoam	yeah
	AquaSeaFoam	so it just comes down to the deal.  the previous yr 8 deal he wasn't willing to accept, but it hink the current one is reasonable
	AquaSeaFoam	[17:05:54] <~dorje> back in 1h
	hesus	well it was your own offer , or what u suggested
	AquaSeaFoam	[17:49:35] <&AquaSeaFoam> [17:05:54] <~dorje> back in 1h
	AquaSeaFoam	for the time stamps
	AquaSeaFoam	yes it was
	AquaSeaFoam	and i agree it seems reasonable
	AquaSeaFoam	but it was goign with what i thought reasonable and if you agreed it wa within reasont hen we'd try and get others to agree
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	hesus	well i will be back in 17 minutes then. because like i said im sick and its not getting much better looking at a screen
	AquaSeaFoam	ok
	AquaSeaFoam	sorry, i'm not trying to waste your time
	hesus	that is another hour that dorje can train def on his cow and it will for sure be the last one that i will let him do that
	AquaSeaFoam	i have stuff to do also actually
	AquaSeaFoam	that was not the impression i got
	hesus	and i dont want to threaten because theres no need i suppose
	hesus	so ok back in 15
	AquaSeaFoam	ok
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	therock	last age you loved threatening me
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	AquaSeaFoam	well nothing from dorje yet :\
	AquaSeaFoam	i can try txting him
	AquaSeaFoam	deana txted him before but i'm having her txt agian with the proposal
	AquaSeaFoam	before she just said asf needed him
	hesus	ok
	hesus	the offer being endyr5 48h 15% ?
	AquaSeaFoam	10%
	hesus	sry 10
	AquaSeaFoam	ya
	hesus	if he agrrees then its settled?
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	AquaSeaFoam	yep
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	hesus	come on.. i have to be at the doctor in 5.5 hrs
	AquaSeaFoam	ok got it
	AquaSeaFoam	We accept CF through end of YR5, 48h notice after that with Fratzia not allowed to give notice unless the kingdom is within 90% or more of their acres.
	AquaSeaFoam	Ok?
	hesus	u also c ant notice us if ur not in that range, right ?
	AquaSeaFoam	no, we could if smaller
	hesus	so you can give us notice but we cant give u ><
	AquaSeaFoam	right, although if we gave notice to you when you ahve a strong cow, massive sci and gc stocks and were much smaller, i don't think it'd go badly for you
	AquaSeaFoam	you'd prob gain
	hesus	sure we might gain , but its kinda wierd that way , dont u tink ?
	hesus	it wil llead to situations where u can notice us whenever u please but we cant notice u unless ur within the range
	AquaSeaFoam	the idea is jsut that we're basically giving you all you need here.  time to get a strong cow up, time to get massive sci, and have a ton of spare gc.  after that we don't want you rampaging and raping us when you have #1 secured but our kds stillw ant to feel like if they were in position to challenge they could
	hesus	cappo what do u think of it
	AquaSeaFoam	cappo was aware of the nature of that clause before
	hesus	the prolem with getting noticed is sols , especialy on the cow that could be a problem. maybe a cow nap would be good if we do it like this
	hesus	are u interested in such a thing?
	AquaSeaFoam	with enough gc, you can get a lot of soldiers fast with emerg+pat kd wide
	AquaSeaFoam	i'd have to discuss that again, we haven't discussed that yet.
	hesus	yeah but not enough to not get raped by a 90% drafted cow while im on maybe 20%
	AquaSeaFoam	that's true
	AquaSeaFoam	don't run 20% draft after start of yr6 if you think any other cows are a threat? :P
	hesus	well u know also that provs make the most money on low draft :p
	AquaSeaFoam	ofcourse
	hesus	also omac doesnt seem to allow provs with solstacks in it
	hesus	:p
	AquaSeaFoam	yeah, we noticed
	AquaSeaFoam	but with enough gc i'd think you could be ready in time really
	AquaSeaFoam	your whole kd will be huge by then
	AquaSeaFoam	and all high drafting capability
	AquaSeaFoam	with tons of gc for emerg+pat
	hesus	well u guys might not be that much smaller than us science isnt all powerful when u dont have armies and get owned :p
	AquaSeaFoam	well yeah, you need military :P
	hesus	im jus worried with this deal that one of your cows will draft up or be ready to train and rape our cow , or force my whole kd to aid the cow sols and not have any for themselves
	AquaSeaFoam	i'd think that'd be easy to avoid
	hesus	by running a high draft yeah
	hesus	meanin i gotta draft up my cow, but i cant give notices to do anything with it
	AquaSeaFoam	well, you don't even need that high.  a few ages ago whenw e were dwarf sage i believe ti was start of yr 5 our cf's went to and you remember sonata had us gb'd because we were so overwhelmingly advantaged
	AquaSeaFoam	so by that point you could be in great shape, up drafts a bit to be within easy emerg+pat drafting range
	AquaSeaFoam	and continue pumping
	AquaSeaFoam	your econw ill be fine even with drafts upped a bit by then due to sci
	hesus	well ok
	hesus	considering a kd <90% our size would have trouble breaking our regular provs
	hesus	we can draf tsols with them for cow
	AquaSeaFoam	yep
	hesus	ok.. can u rewrite that line from earlier and incl the locs and then ill agree to it
	AquaSeaFoam	ok, sec
	AquaSeaFoam	We accept CF through end of YR5, 48h notice after that with Fratzia not allowed to give notice unless the kingdom is within 90% or more of their acres.  Absalom kingdoms are 6:1, 6:11, 8:28, 4:37, 3:39.  Fratzia is 5:31
	hesus	through end of yr5 means that a notice can be given earliest on Jan 1st YR6 right ?
	hesus	im not a native englishspeaker :-)
	AquaSeaFoam	Correct
	hesus	okay
	hesus	then its agreed