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  1. [01:43:54] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> boo
  2. [01:43:57] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> I feel so alone
  3. [01:44:07] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> go boo yourself
  4. [01:44:08] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> :P
  5. [01:44:21] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> I just visited the AA announcements
  6. [01:44:24] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> and I'm :sadface:
  7. [01:44:45] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> why?
  8. [01:45:25] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> more peace treaties
  9. [01:45:39] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> and here I stand naive and full of preconceptions
  10. [01:45:54] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> you can't have war all the time. That's TE's job
  11. [01:46:46] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> it's not even that, it's the simple fact of leaving the fight
  12. [01:46:57] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> white peace is probably the most damning treaty to come across CN
  13. [01:47:14] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> with reps, at least there's a grievance to be settled, a vendetta to be filled
  14. [01:48:43] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> look at it this way, look at the treaty web right now
  15. [01:49:06] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> what do you think making vengences against one side is going to do
  16. [01:49:11] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> that's not the thing
  17. [01:49:25] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> would you really want a CN without a hegemony?
  18. [01:49:46] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> there must always be a villain and a hero to that villain
  19. [01:50:04] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> well, without a hegemony, the field remains fluid and grey
  20. [01:50:15] ali5541 [ali5541@FE2ADB1.35358F0A.D6A21EC0.IP] is now known as ali5541|lurk
  21. [01:50:16] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> and liable to different interpretations
  22. [01:51:04] Sentinal [Sentinal@coldfront-B7A6663C.usc.edu] has quit IRC: Quit: "Love is poison. A sweet poison, yes, but it will kill you all the same." - Cersei, A Song of Ice and Fire
  23. [01:51:15] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> yes, and all this talk of war we finally get some time to sit back and build infra, buy tech, and watch the game die
  24. [01:51:33] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> while there is not two sides, there will remain on unified side, able to tip the scale in their favor
  25. [01:51:41] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> of course, it will not last forever
  26. [01:52:00] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> in fact, that side becomes the hegemony by the definition of the word
  27. [01:53:10] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> since there is not a side giving reps (yet), there will be less cries for blood, and therefore less initiative for vengence
  28. [01:53:36] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> but we still have yet to see what happens to the major superpowers in the war
  29. [01:54:10] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> I still hold some faith in NPO on their front
  30. [01:55:05] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> there will always be reps, grievenences, and vengeance to fill
  31. [01:55:13] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> if there aren't, then they're just ruining the game
  32. [01:55:45] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> you do know that the war that have concluded are only small, connecting, proxy wars
  33. [01:56:20] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> mhm
  34. [01:56:46] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> but I'm not a guy to give an inch, not here not there, the ground should be held
  35. [01:56:47] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> the reps will happen with the superpowers
  36. [01:57:27] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> again, holding faith that Pacifica will win in their front
  37. [01:57:59] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> oh faith, anyone can see that faith alone does not win wars
  38. [01:58:06] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> what we need is gandoff the white
  39. [01:58:23] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> that and the stats show similar ideas
  40. [01:59:29] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> but seeing that most of the alliances gave into peer pressure and declared on GOONS en masse, thos stats may be disapportionate
  41. [02:00:01] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> wasn't the plan :/
  42. [02:02:40] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> Why didn't Legion, as a sanctioned alliance, declare on MK or umbrella instead?
  43. [02:03:09] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> where their strength would have been more useful?
  44. [02:03:26] <%Hereno> legion has strength?
  45. [02:03:26] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> look at it this way
  46. [02:03:38] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> why did 3 alliances, 2 top heavy, dog pile NPO?
  47. [02:04:14] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> because NPO have the NS to challenge it at least
  48. [02:04:37] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> and this isn't about NPO, it's about DoWing GOONS en masse
  49. [02:04:45] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> I'm getting there
  50. [02:04:59] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> but no, NS is irrelevant to the distribution of the NS
  51. [02:05:08] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> what nations does MK and Umbrella lack if you compared them to NPO?
  52. [02:05:11] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> wait what?
  53. [02:05:28] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> what which one?
  54. [02:05:35] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> alliances being DoWed on?
  55. [02:05:52] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> leaving them enough power to side swipe those DoWing on GOONs
  56. [02:06:23] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> I said I'm getting there
  57. [02:06:50] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> answer the question, why did it take all of Doomhouse to DoW NPO when it's clear that Doomhouse has a vaster upper tier?
  58. [02:07:51] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> because they did it as a bloc
  59. [02:08:05] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> no, besides loyalties, what practical reason?
  60. [02:08:16] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> not in some sort way through twisted logic
  61. [02:08:21] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> bloc, nothing else
  62. [02:08:59] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> because the rest of PB would be brought into this war one way or another
  63. [02:09:06] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> personally, I see it as Doomhouse trying to eliminate NPO's upper tier to perma-prevent a rebuilding
  64. [02:09:12] <&Tohru> I believe the answer is "They don't like them"
  65. [02:09:22] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> the reasoning behind their dogpiling is to focus on where they'll hurt
  66. [02:09:33] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> overanalyzing everything causes trouble
  67. [02:09:33] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> I'm not a dumbass, Legion v.s. Umbrella and our upper tier gets pwnt
  68. [02:09:52] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> Legion v.s. MK and most of our Upper tier gets pwnt along with a bunch of the middle ones
  69. [02:09:59] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> GOONs, we can take them easy
  70. [02:10:03] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> so, you are being oppurtunist instead of pragmatic
  71. [02:10:15] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> exactly, we're just following their plan of attack
  72. [02:10:21] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> =.=
  73. [02:10:27] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> unfortunately, a bunch of fags jumped in and fucked up what we had with GOONs
  74. [02:10:39] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> bunch of fags includes CnG btw
  75. [02:10:53] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> you should've seen it coming
  76. [02:11:02] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> we did
  77. [02:11:03] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> and declare on MK and Umbrella
  78. [02:11:07] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> why'd you think with the PM :|
  79. [02:11:11] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> *and/or
  80. [02:11:31] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> personally, I wanted to send the small alliances en masse at Umbrella
  81. [02:11:51] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> but again, fucked it up for us, and they drawed CnG in
  82. [02:12:08] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> but, we saw that coming, so I guess all is not loss, except now that they're peacing out, which is :sadface:
  83. [02:12:28] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> Legion attacking Umbrella or MK would at least gave the chance to stall their war machine to allow for rxtra damage
  84. [02:12:44] Sentinal [Sentinal@coldfront-3EB563FB.usc.edu] has joined #sakura
  85. [02:12:54] Saniiro_Matsudaira [owls@coldfront-480DFCF9.dia.static.qwest.net] has set mode +v Sentinal
  86. [02:12:55] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> I can count the # of people in umbrella that would be under the PM range
  87. [02:12:56] <@Ippi-kun> Fuck
  88. [02:12:57] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> in one han
  89. [02:12:58] <@Ippi-kun> 52 second ads
  90. [02:12:59] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> hand even
  91. [02:13:13] <@Ippi-kun> t's not a bad ad but...IT'S SO DAMN LONG
  92. [02:13:27] <+PapaJacky[Legion]> MK I maybe could do the same but someone had to hit GOONs and they were turning out to be a flop
  93. [02:14:10] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> What I am trying to say is that the damage would be better done attacking an alliance that would NOT have it war slots filled by bandwagoners
  94. [02:14:59] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> as much as I would like to argue politics
  95. [02:15:12] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> Frankly, I am too fucking tired for this
  96. [02:15:18] <@Saniiro_Matsudaira> night
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