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  2. [23:30] <04@Bunneh> There appears to be a lack of sponsors contacting new players. We really don’t want to get involved and have to start coding in punishments but we will if this is needed. So we are going to give you all two weeks to turn this around. The numbers need to drastically change for us to not get involved. I want feedback from you about what the problem is so we can try and work together on this
  3. [23:30] <04@ChrisVaughn> pfft I only found out i was playing when Toby messaged me, weird
  4. [23:30] <07%Bombastic> Oh. I see how it is!
  5. [23:31] <04@ChrisVaughn> Its lazyness
  6. [23:31] <07%Bombastic> Oh shit just got real
  7. [23:31] <04@ChrisVaughn> an attitude of what's in it for me, and why should i when XXX can do it instead
  8. [23:32] <07%Bombastic> Tbfh
  9. [23:32] <07%Bombastic> This is hostile af
  10. 03[23:32] * Simplicity (beautiful@Starry.Eyed) has joined #crewleader
  11. 03[23:32] * MafiaReturns sets mode: +o Simplicity
  12. 01[23:32] <04@Borya> So, I'm being forced to pick up people or there'll be punishments?
  13. [23:33] <04@Arizona> I think just contacted
  14. [23:33] <07%Bombastic> Interesting times...
  15. [23:33] <04@Bunneh> You are not contacting the people who are doing jobs for you
  16. [23:33] <04@ChrisVaughn> when the change in the tax system happened, peoples earnings from being a sponsor dried up. Squishy says that its up to the Cl to give you that earning, but I know very few who do. So why would someone spend all that time and effort, and recieve the abuse, for nothing in return
  17. [23:34] <04@Bunneh> its not about always sending an invite, not everyone works well together
  18. [23:34] <04@Bunneh> its about the lack of contact
  19. 03[23:34] * IzzyCreamcheese (izzy@127.0.0.1) has joined #crewleader
  20. 03[23:34] * ChanServ sets mode: +ao IzzyCreamcheese IzzyCreamcheese
  21. [23:34] <07%Bombastic> Ok, to keep this diplomatic
  22. [23:35] <04@ChrisVaughn> however, originally (.org, shhhush) people didn't get paid for being a sponsor but back then, it was your first step to power, running a subcrew
  23. [23:35] <04@ChrisVaughn> I've tried to reintroduce that into my family, but the majority don't give a flying fuck
  24. 01[23:35] <04@Borya> If it's the case that every single Crew is doing it (considering all CLs were called here). Perhaps it's a problem with the system and not the people?
  25. [23:35] <07%Bombastic> You are conducting this to ensure we use your thang?
  26. [23:36] <04@Simplicity> No, its a money thing
  27. [23:36] <04@Simplicity> Izzy is trying to bring new people in
  28. [23:36] <04@Simplicity> Dishing out money
  29. [23:36] <04@Simplicity> And we are ignoring those people
  30. [23:36] <07%AmeliaGato> Problem is, is that sometimes you're on just to shoot and someone does the job, and you fuck off, so you never notice.
  31. [23:36] <07%AmeliaGato> 90% of the time thats what happens with me.
  32. [23:36] <04@toby> You can turn off the sponsor thing
  33. [23:37] <07%AmeliaGato> No I know
  34. [23:37] <07%AmeliaGato> But if say I play today and turn it on, I might not turn it off when I go to bed.
  35. [23:37] <07%AmeliaGato> And then when I log in to steal all of Toby's money at 6am
  36. [23:37] <07%AmeliaGato> its still on
  37. 01[23:37] <04@Borya> Maybe add the codes so the sponsorship turns off if you log out? The same as it toggles off if you don't contact someone?
  38. [23:37] <07%AmeliaGato> I mean I have been guilty of turning it off and getting the "You still need to contact" and Im like "lol no I dont have time."
  39. 01[23:38] <04@Borya> So you have to physically turn it back on every time.
  40. [23:38] <07%AmeliaGato> That would be good.
  41. [23:38] <05Stefania> Yes, I like that idea
  42. [23:38] <07%AmeliaGato> or make the ON and OFF
  43. [23:38] <07%AmeliaGato> Green and Red or something
  44. [23:38] <07%AmeliaGato> So you NOTICE it
  45. 01[23:38] <04@Borya> Yeah, a clearer button would be better too, IMO. It's barely visible as it is.
  46. [23:39] <07%AmeliaGato> because with the SDI thing, I ignore the sponsor thing 99% of the time unless its orange. Which means I went a week with it off wondering why I couln't get someone to do the jobs for us.
  47. 01[23:39] <04@Borya> When I was a newb, I was made a Sponsor and it took me a few days to even realise I had the option to toggle it on and off.
  48. [23:39] <07%AmeliaGato> Aren't you still a newb Borya? :P
  49. 01[23:39] <04@Borya> When I was newbier*
  50. 03[23:39] * Zeus (Mibbit@37E526ED.C7FBA9C0.6F80F3A.IP) has joined #crewleader
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  52. 03[23:39] * Zeus was kicked by MafiaReturns (Your nickname is not recognized.)
  53. 01[23:39] <04@Borya> I was just typing that.
  54. 03[23:39] * toby sets mode: -b *!*@37E526ED.C7FBA9C0.6F80F3A.IP
  55. 03[23:39] * Crystalize (Mibbit@MR-FCFCA914.sub-70-208-151.myvzw.com) has joined #crewleader
  56. 03[23:39] * MafiaReturns sets mode: +o Crystalize
  57. [23:40] <04@Simplicity> I don't just think its the button, its the lack of people wanting to even talk to them. Unfortunately people don't like to do things without an incentive.
  58. [23:40] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> ill write in the auto-off upon login
  59. [23:40] <04@Crystalize> Apologies for being late >.< I'm at work
  60. 03[23:40] * Zeus (Mibbit@37E526ED.C7FBA9C0.6F80F3A.IP) has joined #crewleader
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  62. 03[23:40] * Zeus was kicked by MafiaReturns (Your nickname is not recognized.)
  63. 03[23:40] * Bunneh sets mode: -b *!*@37E526ED.C7FBA9C0.6F80F3A.IP
  64. 01[23:40] <04@Borya> It's not good enough, Crystalize. Quit your job and realise you need to be here 24/7.
  65. [23:40] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> [18:40:36] -NickServ- Nick zeus isn't registered.
  66. [23:40] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> -
  67. [23:41] <04@Arizona> I personally don't have he room to bring in new people anymore.
  68. [23:41] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> Borya, thats the etnire purpose of the toggle though
  69. [23:41] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> so you can pick and choose when you want to be a sponsor
  70. [23:41] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> and you arent leaving a member and the advertising budget high and dry
  71. [23:41] <05Stefania> yeah but if it turns off automatically when you log off
  72. [23:41] <05Stefania> it prevents those times when we forget to turn it off
  73. 01[23:41] <04@Borya> I know. I didn't say otherwise?
  74. [23:41] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> ah it felt that the "Quit your job and realise you need to be here 24/7." was feeling a little passive aggressive :)
  75. [23:42] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> if that wasnt its intention, then my bad
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  79. 01[23:42] <04@Borya> Nah, I was poking at Crystalize for working. Not related to this. My bad :P
  80. 01[23:42] <04@Borya> Anyway. I'll tell my Sponsors to be more on the ball. But having it toggle off rather than remaining on as a safeguard might help a little for some who just walk away from the PC (I'm defo guilty of this)
  81. [23:42] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> because every crew is different, we dont do a tutorial on how to be a sponsor, we leave that up to the CL
  82. [23:43] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> is that a responisibility you would like us to take off your plates?
  83. [23:43] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> (im not being sarcastic)
  84. [23:43] <07%AmeliaGato> I can't weigh in on this, as I'm the only sponsor for the crew.
  85. [23:43] <07%AmeliaGato> BUT
  86. [23:43] <07%AmeliaGato> Maybe having bowie throw a how to on the wiki
  87. [23:43] <07%AmeliaGato> that we can direct to
  88. [23:43] <07%AmeliaGato> wouldnt hurt
  89. [23:43] <07%Bombastic> Stfu Borya. Borya's me to tears often :(
  90. [23:43] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> the thing is, most cls would do it differently
  91. [23:44] <07%AmeliaGato> Not so much a "THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT" (hands are in the aaaaair)
  92. [23:44] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> so it may be a disservice to the new sponsor if the cl doenst take the time to explain it how they want it done
  93. [23:44] <07%AmeliaGato> but more of a "This is what this button means, toggle it off, THis is where the jobs are. This is why it flashes orange. Heres some examples of mails you can send"? Idk.
  94. [23:44] <04@Crystalize> tell my customer's that Borya D: they love me!
  95. [23:44] <04@Simplicity> I feel it is a site wide problem, not just a CL problem. You can say we give incentives, money, prizes, but honestly half the crew doesn't even do competitions to get that for free. So it is up to us to solve this, but people are too stuck in their ways and lazy to care, how do we change that?
  96. [23:45] <04@Crystalize> Just to catch myself up, the topic is the issue with the sponsors correct???
  97. [23:45] <07%AmeliaGato> Yeah
  98. [23:45] <04@Arizona> Well it's either people like doing it or they don't
  99. [23:45] <07%AmeliaGato> and how newbies arent being contacted.
  100. 01[23:45] <04@Borya> Perhaps tax the individual sponsor if they don't respond? Like a game mechanic to do so?
  101. [23:45] <04@Crystalize> Thank you Amelia
  102. [23:45] <07%AmeliaGato> No worries.
  103. [23:45] <07%AmeliaGato> Please dont
  104. [23:45] <07%AmeliaGato> becuase things come up
  105. 03[23:45] * Penny (Mibbit@MR-8EA2D43B.broadband.vi) has joined #crewleader
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  107. [23:45] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> we already charge the CL to incentivize them to streamline the process and make it efficient
  108. [23:45] <07%AmeliaGato> And people will just get pixxed
  109. [23:45] <07%AmeliaGato> and or pissed.
  110. [23:46] <05Stefania> and then they won't even wanna be sponsors
  111. [23:46] <07%AmeliaGato> yup
  112. [23:46] <05Stefania> The more you "punish" the more people will just not want to sponsor or keep their sponsor turned off
  113. [23:46] <04@Crystalize> I know I've had an issue personally where I forgot to turn my sponsor off when I was just a CL and I'd be online at work and it would yell at me for missing people X.x
  114. [23:46] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> the next logical step was that like if sponsor gets like two no-contacts within 10 contacts or something, it disables the crews invite ability for a week
  115. 01[23:46] <04@Borya> It's only gonna be left to us as CLs to do anyway. But besides revoking Sponsorship (which'd mean 0 sponsors, which'd mean 0 newbs joining anyway), we can't do much else.
  116. [23:46] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> with the step after that being something along the lines of we randomly assign to the crews that meet certain criteria
  117. [23:47] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> just trying to avoid that
  118. [23:47] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> but theres simply no money to keep throwing 20 bucks for a new user
  119. [23:47] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> to have them be ignored by 3 sponsors in a row
  120. [23:47] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> :/
  121. [23:47] <04@Penny> If you do that there may be no crews open to invite
  122. [23:47] <05Skadi> a cl can advert only i cant be punish because one of my sponsor didnt follow what should had done
  123. [23:48] <04@Simplicity> Instead of hindering a crew, why don't we reward a crew for it?
  124. [23:48] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> you do
  125. [23:48] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> that member may kick up a million
  126. [23:48] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> or 100 million
  127. [23:48] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> or take a bullet for you
  128. [23:48] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> or spend the next 5 years at your side
  129. [23:48] <04@Simplicity> I'm not taling about me
  130. [23:48] <04@Simplicity> talking*
  131. [23:48] <04@Simplicity> That person who sponsors them
  132. [23:49] <04@Simplicity> Like if that person makes it to Made Man, they get an achievement and get money or a credit or something.
  133. 03[23:49] * toby sets mode: -b *!*@37E526ED.C7FBA9C0.6F80F3A.IP
  134. [23:49] <07%ralph> How long does the average new signup stay for?
  135. [23:49] <04@Simplicity> People are more likely to talk to people and work hard to help them stay
  136. [23:49] <07%AmeliaGato> Im all for an achievement for it
  137. [23:49] <04@Simplicity> If there are incentives
  138. [23:49] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> ralph theres a few classifications of it
  139. [23:49] <04@Simplicity> Is what I'm saying...
  140. [23:49] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> there are ones that literally last 2 minutes
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  143. 03[23:50] * Zeus was kicked by MafiaReturns (Your nickname is not recognized.)
  144. 01[23:50] <04@Borya> I'm not fond of the jobs board as a whole TBH. When I started playing, I didn't even realise I was doing real jobs. I thought I was just clicking buttons - as if they were petties.
  145. [23:50] <04@Simplicity> Punishing us for not doing it makes people angry, makes people annoyed, makes them hate the system more..
  146. [23:50] <07%AmeliaGato> Someone should probably mail Zeus and tell him.
  147. [23:50] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> there are ones that get contacted and end up in crews that last hours, days, or years
  148. [23:50] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> and everything in between
  149. 02[23:50] * @Arizona (Mibbit@MR-8EA2D43B.broadband.vi) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  150. [23:51] <04@Simplicity> I am not saying give us the world, you already do, but I don't feel putting in a system that shuts it down or hurts the crew will help
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  154. [23:51] <04@Penny> I agree with you Simp
  155. 03[23:51] * toby sets mode: -b *!*@MR-EC17B32D.sc.res.rr.com
  156. [23:51] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> Simplicity, this isnt meant to provoke
  157. [23:51] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> but
  158. 03[23:51] * toby sets mode: -b *!*@37E526ED.C7FBA9C0.6F80F3A.IP
  159. [23:51] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> isnt it your sponsor?
  160. 01[23:52] <04@Borya> If I'm honest, if my entire crew can be hindered because one sponsor is too thick to understand the consequences, I would just revoke all sponsorship and contact new members directly.
  161. [23:52] <04@Simplicity> Are you talking about Senza?
  162. [23:52] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> nonono
  163. [23:52] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> an example sponsor
  164. [23:52] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> one that isnt doing their contacts
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  167. 03[23:52] * Zeus was kicked by MafiaReturns (Your nickname is not recognized.)
  168. [23:52] <04@Penny> Well doesn't it auto turn off sponsorship of not contacted
  169. [23:53] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> yes, and they turn ti back on
  170. [23:53] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> rinse, repeaet
  171. [23:53] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> the cl gives the position to a sponsor to do
  172. [23:53] <07%AmeliaGato> maybe do a 3 strikes thing
  173. [23:53] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> the cl has all the tools to keep up and follow the effectiveness of the sponsors
  174. [23:53] <07%AmeliaGato> 3 alerts and sponsorship is automatically removed
  175. [23:53] <07%AmeliaGato> and the CL gets a notice, and then has to have a talk with them and re-do it
  176. [23:53] <04@Simplicity> Yes, but the people I see being turned off are also the people who are inviting people
  177. [23:53] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> so when you discussed it with them, what did they say?
  178. [23:53] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> i dont hear these stories
  179. [23:54] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> so if you can share your talking points that were brought up in the conversations with them
  180. [23:54] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> that would really help me understand
  181. 01[23:54] <04@Borya> From all I've ever heard, it's literally because they've gone to feed their cat, or wash their car and haven't considered that their Sponsorship has been left on.
  182. [23:54] <04@Penny> I'm not going to lie I have done it, went idle and during going idle with the sponsorship on and have missed people. Not on purpose of course.
  183. [23:54] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> [01:00:10] <&MafiaReturns> Shutting off Buck's sponsor flag for not contacting or firing VladimirMakarov. (Sponsorhip flags are on. Mobmails: 0)
  184. [23:54] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> [01:00:10] <&MafiaReturns> Shutting off Stefania's sponsor flag for not contacting or firing VladimirMakarov. (Sponsorhip flags are on. Mobmails: 0)
  185. [23:54] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> [01:00:10] <&MafiaReturns> Shutting off Unicorn's sponsor flag for not contacting or firing VladimirMakarov. (Sponsorhip flags are on. Mobmails: 0)
  186. [23:54] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> [02:14:10] <&MafiaReturns> Shutting off Joe_Gallo's sponsor flag for not contacting or firing Bohahn. (Sponsorhip flags are on. Mobmails: 0)
  187. [23:54] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> [02:44:09] <&MafiaReturns> Shutting off Control-321-10-22's sponsor flag for not contacting or firing Tony_Bamanaboni. (Sponsorhip flags are on. Mobmails: 0)
  188. [23:54] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> [02:44:09] <&MafiaReturns> Shutting off HooLZ's sponsor flag for not contacting or firing Tony_Bamanaboni. (Sponsorhip flags are on. Mobmails: 0)
  189. [23:54] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> [03:08:10] <&MafiaReturns> Shutting off Martii's sponsor flag for not contacting or firing Tony_Bamanaboni. (Sponsorhip flags are on. Mobmails: 0)
  190. 01[23:54] <04@Borya> I've definitely done it too.
  191. [23:54] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> im just trying to avoid situations like last night
  192. [23:55] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> where three people didnt contact the same guy
  193. [23:55] <05Stefania> I forgot to turn it off before bed
  194. [23:55] <07%AmeliaGato> Man, I'll admit that sometimes it pops up and I just go "Nope, not dealing with it."
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  198. [23:55] <04@Simplicity> I haven't discussed it with them. I go off of experiences in the past, as it is only one person I've noticed, and I know she mails them and talks to people when she see's it
  199. [23:55] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> then it happened again with another guyh
  200. [23:55] <05Stefania> Logged in from my phone to shoot a Durden
  201. [23:55] <05Stefania> went to sleep
  202. [23:55] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> ok so the auto toggle shoudl correct the stefania aspect
  203. [23:55] <07%AmeliaGato> Yeah that will help
  204. [23:55] <05Stefania> Right
  205. [23:55] <07%ralph> What if jobs were district-level and blasted them to any given sponsors on in the last x minutes?
  206. [23:55] <05Stefania> That would literally solve almost every time mine has gotten turned off
  207. [23:56] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> ralph because not every district will be cooperative
  208. 01[23:56] <04@Borya> Maybe a popup every 20 minutes "Are you still sponsoring?" ... If you don't click yes, it toggles off?
  209. [23:56] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> like if you do jobs for bob, i dont know if tom should be contacting you
  210. [23:56] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> Borya the jobs only are on for you if you are active
  211. [23:56] <07%ralph> families in a given district should, in theory, be cooperating with each other
  212. [23:56] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> so like, if you turn the job on, only when you are active are the jobs listed
  213. [23:56] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> if you go inactive for more than (3?) minutes
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  217. [23:57] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> your job dissapears
  218. 03[23:57] * Bunneh sets mode: -b *!*@MR-30036C38.range109-156.btcentralplus.com
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  220. [23:57] <07%AmeliaGato> Oh 3 minutes isnt bad - I thought it was the 10 minutes it takes to get you off the 60 sec list.
  221. [23:57] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> let me double check the time
  222. [23:57] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> its small
  223. 01[23:57] <04@Borya> Yeah, I thought it was like 7-10 mins to come off the 60s List
  224. [23:57] <07%ralph> should be 5
  225. [23:57] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> if they do your first job while you are still active, the time is increased for 2+ jobs after that
  226. [23:57] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> let me get that number
  227. [23:58] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> so has anyone had conversations identifying why sponors are getting toggled off with their sponsors ?
  228. [23:58] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> id love to get some feedback that you guys got
  229. [23:58] <05Stefania> I have never had someone tell me "oh, I just didn't want to talk to them"
  230. [23:58] <04@Crystalize> I can't say I have at the moment because I shut mine off with being in a GF crew :X
  231. [23:58] <05Stefania> I had one tell me he wanted some exmpales on what to say, so I sent him some examples
  232. 01[23:58] <04@Borya> Point is.. If you start hindering the entire crew for one sponsor not using the feature correctly, people will just stop assigning sponsors. That won't fix the problem, cus it just means there won't be sponsors, thus there won't be jobs, and then the newbs won't stick around anyway...
  233. [23:59] <04@Penny> I know most of the time it is people being like on their phones and going idle after shooting
  234. [23:59] <05Stefania> other than that, it's they started doing something else and forgot to turn it off
  235. [23:59] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> Borya but you guys need to decide if its your job to enforce your sponors, or mine
  236. [23:59] <04@Crystalize> And unfortunately I'm being dragged back to work D: I hope we find a resolution <3 take care all!!!
  237. [23:59] <04@Simplicity> Punishment
  238. [23:59] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> thanks Crystalize
  239. [23:59] <07%ralph> Yeah, starting the conversation off with the threat of punishment isn’t really a productive start
  240. [23:59] <07%AmeliaGato> What might help
  241. [23:59] <07%AmeliaGato> is on the members info page in the HQ - put a number of times its been toggled off?
  242. [23:59] <07%AmeliaGato> Like automatically
  243. [23:59] <04@Crystalize> No problem and truth me told it SHOULD be the CLs job to enforce sponsors
  244. [23:59] <04@Simplicity> I don't like the word enforce, I suppose we can offer them rewards for contacting people
  245. Session Time: Sun Aug 28 00:00:00 2016
  246. [00:00] <07%AmeliaGato> Because like its all well and good getting the notice about it
  247. [00:00] <04@Crystalize> We have said person the job of sponsoring, we should make sure they are for for said job and doing it correctly
  248. [00:00] <07%AmeliaGato> but you dont keep that in your mind
  249. [00:00] <07%AmeliaGato> so mine probably gets toggled off like 15 times a week if not more
  250. [00:00] <04@Crystalize> Now I'm going back to work <3 bye!!!
  251. [00:00] <07%AmeliaGato> gato doesnt notice because he has enough alerts going on.
  252. [00:00] <07%AmeliaGato> So having a total there
  253. 01[00:00] <04@Borya> See ya Crystalize.
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  255. [00:00] <04@Penny> You can't punish cause then no one will do it, at least in my opinion
  256. [00:00] <07%AmeliaGato> would help identify the problem sponsors
  257. [00:00] <07%AmeliaGato> So then CLs can step in and talk about it
  258. [00:00] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> AmeliaGato you get a personal
  259. [00:00] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> it goes into crew chat
  260. [00:00] <07%AmeliaGato> I know
  261. 01[00:00] <04@Borya> As it is, Sponsoring is a thankless job. Punishments won't work, at all.
  262. [00:01] <07%AmeliaGato> but if I get toggled off 2-3 times a day
  263. [00:01] <07%AmeliaGato> and hes offline
  264. [00:01] <07%AmeliaGato> 1. he aint gonna notice cuz hes drowing in personals
  265. [00:01] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> Borya sponsoring is thankless, under a thankless crewleader :/
  266. [00:01] <07%AmeliaGato> and 2. He aint gonna see crew chat.
  267. [00:02] <04@ChrisVaughn> I offer rewards for sponsorship.
  268. [00:02] <04@ChrisVaughn> like the old system
  269. [00:02] <04@ChrisVaughn> half of what your associate donates, i give to the sponsor
  270. [00:02] <04@ChrisVaughn> problem is, some don't donate
  271. [00:02] <04@ChrisVaughn> and some people don't care about the money
  272. [00:02] <07%AmeliaGato> And thats Gato just having ME to pay attention to. So if you have 5-10 sponsors, you're never gonna remember the actual numbers of when they suck.
  273. [00:03] <04@ChrisVaughn> they can earn more in game, than they can baby sitting
  274. [00:03] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> ok
  275. [00:03] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> so a counter of successful contacts/no contacts kinda thing
  276. [00:03] <04@ChrisVaughn> so they let it toggle off
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  280. [00:03] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> since 8 sounds like a lot, but not if they had 200 success contacts
  281. [00:03] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> where as 8 out of 12 is...
  282. [00:03] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> heh
  283. [00:03] <07%ralph> Serious question, but has the sponsor system ever worked like it was intended to when it was introduced?
  284. [00:03] <07%ralph> when cls were no longer able to invite after x members
  285. [00:04] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> yeah our numbers went up
  286. [00:04] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> retention went up quite a bit
  287. [00:04] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> the most effective actually was sprozzas admin crew
  288. [00:04] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> but the CLs werent having any of that :/
  289. [00:04] <07%AmeliaGato> So IzzyCreamcheese put in a "Sponsor" thing in the HQ with a breakdown of numbers.
  290. [00:04] <07%AmeliaGato> Total number of people contacted, Number of times they've been auto toggled, Number of people who have joined, average mail sent per user
  291. [00:05] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> ralph when a new user (an actual real life new user, not a returning user) comes to the game, there is a "magic window"
  292. [00:05] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> that we find that if they get social interaction during that time
  293. [00:05] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> their retention rates go waaaaaaaay up
  294. [00:05] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> hence the job board
  295. [00:05] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> prior to the job board we had two scenarios
  296. [00:05] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> uncontrolled chaos of 20 mails in 1 minute
  297. [00:05] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> or... 0 mails in 1 hour
  298. [00:05] <07%ralph> ok, so you probably have to expand the window of how many users now that a new player has joined
  299. [00:05] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> the job board was a way to pace it properly
  300. [00:05] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> get them interaction quickly
  301. [00:06] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> but not overwhelmingly
  302. [00:06] <07%ralph> if your $20 ppc user signs up and you’re relying on the whims of 3am jen or like 2-3 people, maybe that’s a problem
  303. 01[00:06] <04@Borya> I agree with AmeliaGato (I know, Jen, I don't believe it either..) ... Give me more numbers and %s to work on, on how good or bad my sponsors are. I'll then reward or slap the good and bad.
  304. [00:06] <04@Penny> Sorry guys but I got to run
  305. [00:06] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> cya Penny
  306. [00:06] <07%AmeliaGato> Bye Penny
  307. 01[00:06] <04@Borya> See ya Penny
  308. [00:06] <07%AmeliaGato> Borya im going to write about this in my diary.
  309. 02[00:06] * @Penny (Mibbit@MR-8EA2D43B.broadband.vi) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  310. [00:06] <04@ChrisVaughn> another issue, that I've noticed, that is kind of related, is that the dynamic off how people play has changed significantly. used to be that people played hard, and wanted to do work to get on. There is still a core of those players, but there also seems to be a huge number of people who just want to play. Don't want to get involved, don't want to be a hand or as CL, and keep most of what
  311. [00:06] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> ralph aye, the solution is make them unkillable for much much longer, or assign them to crews or something
  312. [00:06] <04@ChrisVaughn> they earn. People seem to be a lot more selfish than they were 5 or 10 years ago
  313. 01[00:06] <04@Borya> No, AmeliaGato. Do not document it!
  314. [00:07] <07%AmeliaGato> To late.
  315. [00:07] <07%AmeliaGato> Selfie'd it
  316. [00:07] <07%AmeliaGato> Going on facebook.
  317. [00:07] <07%ralph> making them unkillable won’t do anything if your average user has maybe 15 minutes to try the game out
  318. [00:08] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> the -4h/48h rule drastically increased the number of people who stayued after a 2nd login since they were alive
  319. [00:08] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> ChrisVaughn thats moslty due to the culture of the current crop of people not being socially interactive
  320. [00:08] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> like, joeyO and zeus for example
  321. [00:09] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> they cant get in here because they dont use irc
  322. [00:09] <04@Simplicity> Many use the in game chat instead
  323. [00:09] <04@ChrisVaughn> I'll agree with you on that Izzy. its something again i've been trying to fight, but my own real world issues are curtailing my own time here
  324. [00:09] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> when you only use crew chat/dsistrict chat, you severely limit the sphere of social itneraction
  325. [00:09] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> you can see this in #divinelunacy
  326. [00:09] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> when people are talking
  327. [00:09] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> others chime in and talk
  328. [00:10] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> when its dead
  329. [00:10] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> it stays dead
  330. [00:10] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> you have 20 people staring at the screen
  331. [00:10] <04@Simplicity> There is also g1 and g2
  332. [00:10] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> one person talks
  333. [00:10] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> and it kicks off
  334. [00:10] <04@ChrisVaughn> again, some folks just aren't interested in the chat, let alone IRC
  335. [00:10] <05Stefania> But Izzy, if you listen to the people who mainly use game chat, they don't see the point of iRC
  336. [00:10] <05Stefania> Zeus is a prime example
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  340. [00:10] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> Stefania tahts exactly my point
  341. [00:10] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> my grandmother didnt see the point of traveling the world
  342. 01[00:10] <04@Borya> I much prefer IRC over the game chat.
  343. [00:10] <07%AmeliaGato> ^
  344. [00:10] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> everything she thinks she needs can be obtained in her little town
  345. [00:11] <05Stefania> Right Izzy, I meant to expand on that. Food is distracting me.
  346. [00:11] <07%ralph> chat is a different aspect (although i think irc is important for new members/retention)
  347. [00:11] <05Stefania> People feel DL is repetitive to what they can get on G1. We all use IRC, so obviously we disagree
  348. 01[00:12] <04@Borya> AmeliaGato. Please don't start agreeing with me too.
  349. [00:12] <05Stefania> but the game chat is there for a reason too lol
  350. 01[00:12] <04@Borya> We're not playing tug of war.
  351. [00:12] <07%AmeliaGato> But we could be.
  352. [00:12] <07%AmeliaGato> Trixie in the middle.
  353. [00:12] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> anyway, so that we arnt going down the rabit hole too deep
  354. [00:12] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> if you guys dont mind
  355. [00:12] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> can you talk to your sponsors
  356. [00:12] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> and find out what we can do to lower the no-contacts?
  357. 01[00:13] <04@Borya> Ah, something that'll help with that. IzzyCreamcheese..
  358. [00:13] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> because even a mail 3 hours later... even a copy-paste mail
  359. [00:13] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> is better than a no contact
  360. 01[00:13] <04@Borya> I sent a mail to my sponsors the other day. A mass mail. However, it only sent it to the onliners.
  361. [00:13] <04@Simplicity> Sure, so whens the meeting for what we get reported back
  362. 01[00:13] <04@Borya> Is this how it's supposed to work?
  363. 01[00:13] <04@Borya> I couldn't massmail all my sponsors (both online and offline)?
  364. [00:14] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> hmm i dont have sponsors so i cant test easily
  365. [00:14] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> can someone with multiple sponsors try it?
  366. [00:14] <05Stefania> It only mails to those that have sponsor turned on
  367. [00:14] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> (it be a lot easier than me making mulitple accounts to test)
  368. [00:15] <05Stefania> I've notiecd it too
  369. 01[00:15] <04@Borya> ^
  370. 01[00:15] <04@Borya> Which I like the idea of.. Keep that. But can we also have the option to massmail ALL of our sponsors?
  371. [00:15] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> suyre
  372. [00:15] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> which we will have to do
  373. [00:15] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> since most pepel will be toggled off now
  374. 01[00:15] <04@Borya> Like this for example, I need to contact them all.
  375. [00:15] <05Stefania> yeah
  376. 01[00:15] <04@Borya> Aye, thank you.
  377. [00:16] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> on another side note
  378. [00:16] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> i was thinking abuot upping the minimum job numbers to 4 rather than 3
  379. [00:16] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> but that has a downside if i do
  380. 01[00:16] <04@Borya> Suits me. I have 4 anyway.
  381. [00:16] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> that they are stuck doing jobs for just one guy too long if they dont ever mail
  382. [00:16] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> and pass the magic window time
  383. [00:16] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> but most have only 3 jobs
  384. [00:16] <05Skadi> i have 6 :x
  385. [00:16] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> which means by the time your sponsor mails them
  386. [00:16] <05Stefania> I have 4
  387. [00:17] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> the member is already on the 3rd job for a 2nd crew
  388. [00:17] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> which is self defeating to the effectiveness of the jobs
  389. [00:17] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> (the first 3 cost the most, after that they are uber cheap)_
  390. 01[00:17] <04@Borya> Like I said before.. When I was new, I didn't even realise I was doing like.. actual jobs for a crew.
  391. 01[00:17] <04@Borya> Am I in the minority with that? Do these new players realise they are doing actual jobs and not just generic petty-style button clicking?
  392. [00:17] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> it says it right on the page
  393. [00:18] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> and then also the person writing the RP should be using what they think is the best strategy to keep them on the hook until they get contacted
  394. [00:18] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> This text was provided by the Curiosity crew.
  395. [00:18] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> eh mayube that could have better wording?
  396. [00:19] <04@Simplicity> ?
  397. [00:19] <05Skadi> he is using as example
  398. [00:20] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> Borya was saying he didnt know the jobs were done by people
  399. [00:20] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> i pasted the text the game tells the person
  400. [00:20] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> and asking if maybe the wording could be better ?
  401. [00:20] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> like at the bottom of the job it says "This text was provided by the XXX crew."
  402. [00:20] <07%AmeliaGato> Hmmm.
  403. 01[00:21] <04@Borya> I dunno how it could be more obvious, TBH. I just mean... You don't expect to be doing jobs which trigger a reaction from someone. You expect to just be clicking buttons to get you started on the game.
  404. 01[00:21] <04@Borya> At least, I did.
  405. [00:21] <07%AmeliaGato> Maybe just a pop up when you first get to the jobs that says "Attention: These jobs are provided by individual crews. A member from that crew should be in touch with you regarding your efforts" or something?
  406. 01[00:21] <04@Borya> Yeah, maybe after the third job, stating to the newb "Someone from that crew will be in touch.. Keep doing their jobs or maybe check out another crews jobs?"
  407. 01[00:22] <04@Borya> So they're aware they WILL be getting contacted. Might even keep 'em around a little longer.
  408. [00:22] <07%AmeliaGato> Yeah
  409. 01[00:22] <04@Borya> If I saw that, I'd have done 3 jobs for every crew and then listened to them all to try and secure myself the best place.
  410. 01[00:23] <04@Borya> Fucking hell, AmeliaGato. Agreeing twice in such a short time.
  411. [00:23] <07%AmeliaGato> Sorry.
  412. [00:23] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> Borya is that somethign that maybe the job RP text should push more?
  413. 01[00:23] <04@Borya> Don't be apologetic too. I can't handle this shit.
  414. [00:23] <07%AmeliaGato> I just feel like I've really given my life to being a sponsor.
  415. [00:23] <07%AmeliaGato> Ya know?
  416. [00:23] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> that they will be reaching out to you and contacting you?
  417. [00:23] <07%AmeliaGato> All 12 days of it.
  418. [00:23] <07%AmeliaGato> etc etc.
  419. [00:23] <07%AmeliaGato> :D
  420. [00:23] <07%AmeliaGato> I think it would be good for it to say someone should be contacting you.
  421. [00:24] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> im trying to create a blank canvas to give the people the ability to sculpt it how they see best
  422. [00:24] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> the downside is, often it will be horrible
  423. 01[00:24] <04@Borya> IzzyCreamcheese: When I saw the RP, I saw it as a generic RP, not one written by a player. I saw it as like.. a game mechanic. So if my dude in my RP says "We'll be in touch." ... I'd just be like well.. I'lll see him later, when I level up, yknow?
  424. [00:24] <07%AmeliaGato> I mean also have a note about maybe them contacting hands or something?
  425. [00:24] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> or counter productive towards the health of the game
  426. [00:24] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> so i dont know how to ride the balance of "save tens of thousands of advertising so we can put it into even more adverttising" and dealign with the backlash of cls saying im stepping on their rights
  427. 01[00:24] <04@Borya> Like, I finished off my last job with:
  428. 01[00:25] <04@Borya> "For the first time since meeting him, you're glad the man is as big as he is. The bodies aren't light but you struggle and grunt as you heave them into the car.
  429. 01[00:25] <04@Borya> "Guess them holes aren't for you today, kid. Help me get rid of these two and then see Praefect%sponsor% - they'll sort you out.""
  430. 01[00:25] <04@Borya> .. So they already know Praefect will be contacting them. They can even contact him.
  431. 01[00:25] <04@Borya> It actually tells them to contact Praefect. However, he's obviously (or should be) already going to be writing them a mail.
  432. 01[00:28] <04@Borya> So I guess it doesn't really need the extra "They'll be in touch" from the site. It's possible to do in the jobs, yeah, you're right.
  433. [00:28] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> ok i gotta run
  434. [00:28] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> ill get the toggle on logon thing soon
  435. [00:28] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> and the contact/non contact stats
  436. [00:28] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> if you guys can talk to your sponsors
  437. [00:28] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> and figure out whats up
  438. 01[00:28] <04@Borya> Okay.
  439. 01[00:28] <04@Borya> Thank you.
  440. [00:28] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> so that this way if we still see no contacts after the auto toggle
  441. [00:28] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> then we know the answers
  442. 01[00:28] <04@Borya> Rgr
  443. [00:29] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> id rather have a few extra grand every few months to put into advertising because we have a positive ROI on our existing advertising
  444. [00:29] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> makgin the game bigger
  445. [00:29] <07%AmeliaGato> Will do
  446. [00:29] <05Skadi> ok izzy
  447. [00:29] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> and id love to do this with the CLs having the blank cavnas on how they want to do it
  448. [00:29] <07%AmeliaGato> Although Im 99% sure Gato and I just get called away
  449. [00:29] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> but how it is now, its just not working
  450. [00:29] <07%AmeliaGato> So once the auto toggle is in place
  451. [00:29] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> so ill go through and make these changes on my part
  452. [00:29] <07%AmeliaGato> We wont have that issue I suppose.
  453. [00:29] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> if you guys can do the same on your part
  454. 01[00:29] <04@Borya> Sure thing.
  455. [00:29] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> so we can avoid having to change the way we handle new members
  456. [00:30] <07%AmeliaGato> Maybe I will chuck a few new people on sponsor
  457. [00:30] <07%AmeliaGato> just to see if we can get some feedback from them.
  458. [00:30] <07%AmeliaGato> We have some newbies.
  459. [00:30] <07%AmeliaGato> So that might help.
  460. [00:30] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> and explain the position to them
  461. [00:30] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> and teach them :)
  462. [00:30] <07%AmeliaGato> Yeah
  463. [00:30] <07%AmeliaGato> And then see what they have to say about it.
  464. [00:30] <07%AmeliaGato> I'll talk to Chris tomorrow and if I get the go ahead I'll do that.
  465. [00:31] <07%AmeliaGato> You want the comments in a bullet point list with MLA citation right? Color coded? :P
  466. [00:31] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> you sassin me?
  467. 06[00:31] * &IzzyCreamcheese takes away your knife
  468. [00:31] <07%AmeliaGato> I WOULD NEVER
  469. [00:31] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> ok im missing the eagles game
  470. [00:31] <07%AmeliaGato> go
  471. [00:31] <07%AmeliaGato> Have fun
  472. [00:31] <04&IzzyCreamcheese> need to see my wife at some point in time today :D
  473. [00:32] <07%AmeliaGato> lol yes, that might be nice.
  474. [00:32] <04@Simplicity> Pfft
  475. [00:32] <04@Simplicity> Only for meals, duh
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  479. 03[00:36] * AmeliaGato was kicked by MafiaReturns (Your nickname is not recognized.)
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  481. 03[00:58] * ChrisVaughn sets mode: -bbb *!*@A7181BA3.368F7B9E.778ACE16.IP *!*@MR-30036C38.range109-156.btcentralplus.com *!*@MR-EC17B32D.sc.res.rr.com
  482. 03[01:10] * Smash (Mibbit@MR-30036C38.range109-156.btcentralplus.com) has joined #crewleader
  483. 03[01:10] * MafiaReturns sets mode: +b *!*@MR-30036C38.range109-156.btcentralplus.com
  484. 03[01:10] * Smash was kicked by MafiaReturns (Your nickname is not recognized.)
  485. 03[01:19] * Ilammo (Mibbit@your.friendly.Llama) has joined #crewleader
  486. 03[01:19] * MafiaReturns sets mode: +o Ilammo
  487. 03[01:38] * &IzzyCreamcheese (izzy@127.0.0.1) has left #crewleader
  488. [01:48] <04@Ilammo> so what happened o-o
  489. 02[02:20] * @toby (~toby@MR-D6C400CE.hsd1.md.comcast.net) Quit (Read error)
  490. 03[02:22] * Telkin (~AndChat87@MR-604C2B7A.twcny.res.rr.com) has joined #crewleader
  491. 03[02:22] * MafiaReturns sets mode: +o Telkin
  492. [02:23] <04@Telkin> Did I miss the party
  493. [02:23] <05Skadi> yups
  494. [02:23] <04@Ilammo> yeah, we were too late :(
  495. [02:23] <05Skadi> aww
  496. [02:23] <04@Telkin> Lol
  497. [02:23] <04@Telkin> What was it about
  498. [02:23] <04@Telkin> I was at a wedding reception
  499. [02:23] <04@Telkin> Drink af
  500. [02:23] <04@Telkin> Drunk *
  501. [02:24] <05Skadi> was about the sponsor system ...few people let it turn on but dont contact when a player do the job to them
  502. [02:24] <04@Telkin> I see
  503. [02:24] <05Skadi> so is to warn those members what do it :)
  504. [02:24] <04@Telkin> Or what
  505. [02:24] <04@Telkin> We'll lose sponsors?
  506. [02:25] <04@Telkin> Like I intentionally don't contact some
  507. [02:25] <04@Telkin> Refuse to speak to someone named tuFF69-monster
  508. [02:26] <04@Telkin> Lol
  509. [02:26] <04@Ilammo> lol
  510. [02:28] <04@Telkin> I mean like I'd point them in the right direction yea
  511. [02:28] <04@Telkin> Sigh.
  512. [02:29] <04@Telkin> If anyone has logs please forward
  513. 03[02:29] * @Telkin (~AndChat87@MR-604C2B7A.twcny.res.rr.com) has left #crewleader (Leaving)
  514. 03[04:01] * Stefania (Kimberly@MR-B6F2747D.nyc.res.rr.com) has left #crewleader
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