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  1. AnnivirToday at 11:44 AM
  2. well, whenever you're ready melna
  3. MelnaToday at 11:45 AM
  4. Can you hear?
  5. AnnivirToday at 11:45 AM
  6. No.
  7. MelnaToday at 11:45 AM
  8. Sec
  9. AnnivirToday at 11:45 AM
  10. I aint heard shiiiiiit :stuck_out_tongue:
  11. yes
  12. Details, details.
  13. What evidence and concerns do you have?
  14. Proof of complaints?
  15. I would very much like to read them myself.
  16. Or well, any relevant evidence.
  17. Because summaries as per-anyone are typically never all that good.
  18. I have not been informed of the details of that AT ALL, by the by.
  19. Kind of important that it actually crosses the Game Master desk.
  20. Did the character get Disabled?
  21. If you retire a character, it needs to be Disabled in the hud.
  22. Also, I will note, we have several other situations that are developing as a significant lack of communication about what the hell the Order is doing.
  23. And
  24. This is NOT a conversation for the Order's GL to be involved with before the GMs. It needs to be on the Game Master's desks FIRST and foremost.
  25. I understand the situation directly involves the Order, but T'amora is not a GM yet.
  26. Im not saying they shouldnt be involved, im saying the Game Masters should have been involved -first-
  27. If it's happened since October of last year
  28. it has NEVER crossed my desk.
  29. And thats a problem.
  30. Also ifyoure speaking your mic has cut out
  31. Just making sure!
  32. I understand that.
  33. Like I said, I dont have issues with The Order being involved
  34. my point is, however, you have SEVERAL other GMs besides just Taylor
  35. This sort of thing needs to go to US first.
  36. Taylor poked me earlier today about the conversation you two had with him, by the by.
  37. Given how - I - am the current FL of the Sanctum, I am for one very irate that I have yet to be poked about any of this sort of thing.
  38. Last night should've very much involved me.
  39. As I said, though, Taylor spoke to me earlier today about what im presuming is what happened last night/ this morning
  40. MelnaToday at 11:56 AM
  41.  
  42. AnnivirToday at 11:56 AM
  43. Ok if im going to get bits and pieces i'm going to need the entire conversation.
  44. You need to talk to the rest of the GM team about this. Every person on that table of things needs to be informed for something this big.
  45. I know, but my point is big things like this need to be brought up to the team as a whole, so we're all on the right page about the scenario.
  46. I need time to rebuild my group before they try to hammer us.
  47. Currently Sanctum has about 3 active members.
  48. An outright fight off the bat is no-good.
  49. Not unless its very curated so it isnt some curbstomp
  50. Very well. However, I require more information of this convo than just your snippet.
  51. Either way, can bring them in
  52. Right.
  53. is t'amora on your friends list?
  54. if they arent then you cant
  55. As a rule, however, melna, from henceforward this stuff NEEDS logged, put on the forums, and the rest of GM staff informed of the situation.
  56. AnnivirToday at 12:17 PM
  57. also
  58. do you mind if i tell t'amora that the Order cannot force-cleanse people?
  59. I do not think it fair to remove corruption that takes so damn long ot get.
  60. Melna
  61. added
  62. [Mulisha] Saint Horus
  63. to the group.
  64. Today at 12:03 PM
  65. Melna
  66. started a call.
  67. β€”Join the call
  68. Today at 12:03 PM
  69. MelnaToday at 12:04 PM
  70. kdfkdfkf
  71. type here please maggy
  72. AnnivirToday at 12:04 PM
  73. Worry not.
  74. Speaking of
  75. That still needs to pass GM's desks.
  76. If it happened after October, then I must've simply missed it.
  77. I am very well and aware of that
  78. because he went to me to discuss how to best do that.
  79. MelnaToday at 12:10 PM
  80. https://forums.remnantsofearth.com/index.php?threads/approved-corruption-removal-taylor-unleashed-plot-npc-and-raidboss.1847/
  81. AnnivirToday at 12:10 PM
  82. Yes, I am aware.
  83. As said, he went to me to start hashing out specifics about it.
  84. If he's doing the thing with Sanctum as a PC, I see no current issue at this point in time. To my knowledge, he's been simply 'on the down low' with the character.
  85. I can ask Taylor for those, if youd like.
  86. and then confirm with you that they're accurate
  87. I've got logs from taylor as well, so i can cross-reference
  88. I'm also going to note
  89. To sum up some of the reasoning for that though, it's solely because it takes so much goddamn effort to get it in the first place.
  90. And has a 1 in 3 chance of permakilling your character
  91. Or to be 'physically' cleansed, but then have it reemerge
  92. Melna, we can discuss the specifics of it but
  93. It is, IMO, not a 'status ailment'
  94. thats a very big stretch for something that takes upwards of SIX MONTHS IRL
  95. I disagree.
  96. @[Mulisha] Saint Horus if you want, just pastebin it
  97. when you can
  98. Pastebin.
  99. I trust neither of you to edit anything
  100. When you get the opportunity, anyway. I only need them from both of you to cross reference for accuracy.
  101. Point is T'amora, dont worry about it until you get home, ok?
  102. I dont need them RIGHT NOW ASAP GRR
  103. I have a shitton of other things that need doing today from a GM perspective.
  104. Lemme read through this first
  105. Also if we're doing this a-war thing, poke me about it first @[Mulisha] Saint Horus
  106. Melna
  107. removed
  108. [Mulisha] Saint Horus
  109. from the group.
  110. Today at 12:23 PM
  111. AnnivirToday at 12:23 PM
  112. mhk
  113. lemme
  114. read
  115. this pastebin
  116. "[Mulisha] Saint HorusToday at 4:27 PM
  117. What I was told this morning is he is 100% okay with you existing as a killable NPC OR if cleansed, a player character again. But he seems keen on you being an NPC boss entity."
  118. I believe this statement likely sparked a bit of that
  119. he in this statement is You, melna.
  120. It would seem taylor is under the impression that his options are 1 or 2, not 1, 2, or 3.
  121. From what I would've gleaned from this, his options are "Get cleansed and be a PC" or "Become a NPC"
  122. Ostensibly melna, Taylor is pissed because as far as it's been presented to him, you and T'amora decided on a thing without involving them.
  123. Either way
  124. Erm
  125. Actually, we did a thing with Imperfect a looong time ago
  126. ostensibly he wouldnt even need to be cleansed
  127. so
  128. Imperfect was, for all intents and purposes, the first on-sim t5 dark mage, back when t5 wasnt a thing
  129. I ran an event where he ended up transforming into a giant boss character that attacked the mytharii
  130. When the players beat the shit out of him, he went back to being 'normal, dark-mage corrupted as fuck' imperfect, but without the extra power
  131. Honestly we wouldnt even need to remove the t5b
  132. I disagree, UNLESS
  133. Actually, I had a better idea.
  134. So, ostensibly, at this point, Sanctum is frankly a bunch of shit and I dont see how the group would be working with Taylor if he goes all boss-supernova. Annivir certainly wouldnt.
  135.  
  136. So, I suggest it be an event where both groups have to fight him. This ALSO helps coat the groups as shades of gray, two sides of the same coin, who, under certain circumstances, can work together, and gives the groups time to build each other up before going back to 'business as usual'
  137. As a result, however, I truly feel that the way corruption works is not condusive to losing it easily.
  138. We've got a mechanic that takes, at BEST
  139. 6-8 months MINIMUM to progress through.
  140. Ther'es no point in the groups being mortal enemies when the only thing they do differently is one is ok with the study of dark magika.
  141. I am NOT going to turn the Sanctum into a cult.
  142. It has gone poorly EVERY single time
  143. And ruined the group.
  144. Sanctum is primarily a scholarly group dedicated to the study of all magika types equivalently.
  145. They are not a cult.
  146. They have never been a cult.
  147. Melna
  148. Why are you making a PC group a fucking zom-worshipping cult
  149. You are setting this group up to crash and burn and die.
  150. You are setting the group up for EVERY OTHER GROUP TO BE AGAINST THEM
  151. That WILL NOT WORK
  152. Except they havent
  153. I disagree
  154. You're doing the equivalent of making Sanctum the big-bad of the group, but forcing them to be solely a PC group.
  155. And that does not equate to good PLAYER GROUPS
  156. Then how come Sancutm has 3 active members
  157. since BEFORE Z quit
  158. the group had barely any activity
  159. I. Do not. Want. To have to run. A fucking cult. AGAIN
  160. It hasnt worked in the long run ANY time its been tried
  161. And it's been tried multiple time.s
  162. Do you even know how much shit I had to deal with when i was trying to do that for Tribunal, melna?
  163. Did you even pay attention back then?
  164. It didnt work.
  165. We TRIED THAT BEFORE
  166. WE. TRIED. IT. IT. DID. NOT. WORK.
  167. That was what we were doing before I left the first time
  168. We TRIED it being a cult/a 'secret society', the group died because no one had interest in it, we had constant OOC harassment about it, we had groups targeting us on the regular, and 90% of the scholarly shit we even tried to do got constantly retconned by one or more members of staff without ever informing me of why
  169. I've been down this exact road before melna, it didnt work then and it will not work now.
  170. And you keep telling people to do things without considering any ideas they had. You initially completely retconned the established lore for Tribunal, which resulted in it needing to BECOME sanctum BECAUSE YOU HARDLINED THE ORDER INTO EXISTENCE
  171. I spent MONTHS writing up lore and shit for Tribunal, only for you to throw literally all of it out after approving it
  172. You told ME to do shit, and when i did the shit YOU TOLD ME TO
  173. it failed
  174. it failed when you started putitng all of your shit in without actually considering if it was healthy for the group or if i even wanted to go down that route in the first place.
  175. Ok.
  176. We will see.
  177. If it works, it works. However, I will say this :
  178.  
  179. Every group needs room to do its own thing, in order to remain healthy and to engage its membership.
  180. If it turns out that the idea for the group is failing, then it is time to reconsider what else to do.
  181. I disagree, because I have seen groups live and die because of staff causing sudden corrections without considering how to get from point A to point B in the first place.
  182. It's fine to want a secret-society and whatnot, but if the group is a scholarly entity that is merely outlawed by common society, there needs to be a plan to GET from A to B
  183. That will very much depend on what that ends up being.
  184. I agree that we need to establish lore for the group to follow.
  185. What I do not agree about is that it needs to be an expy of NOD
  186. Because ive run 3 of those
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