melna/anni/tamora

AnnivirToday at 11:44 AM
well, whenever you're ready melna
MelnaToday at 11:45 AM
Can you hear?
AnnivirToday at 11:45 AM
No.
MelnaToday at 11:45 AM
Sec
AnnivirToday at 11:45 AM
I aint heard shiiiiiit :stuck_out_tongue:
yes
Details, details.
What evidence and concerns do you have?
Proof of complaints?
I would very much like to read them myself.
Or well, any relevant evidence.
Because summaries as per-anyone are typically never all that good.
I have not been informed of the details of that AT ALL, by the by.
Kind of important that it actually crosses the Game Master desk.
Did the character get Disabled?
If you retire a character, it needs to be Disabled in the hud.
Also, I will note, we have several other situations that are developing as a significant lack of communication about what the hell the Order is doing.
And
This is NOT a conversation for the Order's GL to be involved with before the GMs. It needs to be on the Game Master's desks FIRST and foremost.
I understand the situation directly involves the Order, but T'amora is not a GM yet.
Im not saying they shouldnt be involved, im saying the Game Masters should have been involved -first-
If it's happened since October of last year
it has NEVER crossed my desk.
And thats a problem.
Also ifyoure speaking your mic has cut out
Just making sure!
I understand that.
Like I said, I dont have issues with The Order being involved
my point is, however, you have SEVERAL other GMs besides just Taylor
This sort of thing needs to go to US first.
Taylor poked me earlier today about the conversation you two had with him, by the by.
Given how - I - am the current FL of the Sanctum, I am for one very irate that I have yet to be poked about any of this sort of thing.
Last night should've very much involved me.
As I said, though, Taylor spoke to me earlier today about what im presuming is what happened last night/ this morning
MelnaToday at 11:56 AM

AnnivirToday at 11:56 AM
Ok if im going to get bits and pieces i'm going to need the entire conversation.
You need to talk to the rest of the GM team about this. Every person on that table of things needs to be informed for something this big.
I know, but my point is big things like this need to be brought up to the team as a whole, so we're all on the right page about the scenario.
I need time to rebuild my group before they try to hammer us.
Currently Sanctum has about 3 active members.
An outright fight off the bat is no-good.
Not unless its very curated so it isnt some curbstomp
Very well. However, I require more information of this convo than just your snippet.
Either way, can bring them in
Right.
is t'amora on your friends list?
if they arent then you cant
As a rule, however, melna, from henceforward this stuff NEEDS logged, put on the forums, and the rest of GM staff informed of the situation.
AnnivirToday at 12:17 PM
also
do you mind if i tell t'amora that the Order cannot force-cleanse people?
I do not think it fair to remove corruption that takes so damn long ot get.
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MelnaToday at 12:04 PM
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type here please maggy
AnnivirToday at 12:04 PM
Worry not.
Speaking of
That still needs to pass GM's desks.
If it happened after October, then I must've simply missed it.
I am very well and aware of that
because he went to me to discuss how to best do that.
MelnaToday at 12:10 PM
https://forums.remnantsofearth.com/index.php?threads/approved-corruption-removal-taylor-unleashed-plot-npc-and-raidboss.1847/
AnnivirToday at 12:10 PM
Yes, I am aware.
As said, he went to me to start hashing out specifics about it.
If he's doing the thing with Sanctum as a PC, I see no current issue at this point in time. To my knowledge, he's been simply 'on the down low' with the character.
I can ask Taylor for those, if youd like.
and then confirm with you that they're accurate
I've got logs from taylor as well, so i can cross-reference
I'm also going to note
To sum up some of the reasoning for that though, it's solely because it takes so much goddamn effort to get it in the first place.
And has a 1 in 3 chance of permakilling your character
Or to be 'physically' cleansed, but then have it reemerge
Melna, we can discuss the specifics of it but
It is, IMO, not a 'status ailment'
thats a very big stretch for something that takes upwards of SIX MONTHS IRL
I disagree.
@[Mulisha] Saint Horus if you want, just pastebin it
when you can
Pastebin.
I trust neither of you to edit anything
When you get the opportunity, anyway. I only need them from both of you to cross reference for accuracy.
Point is T'amora, dont worry about it until you get home, ok?
I dont need them RIGHT NOW ASAP GRR
I have a shitton of other things that need doing today from a GM perspective.
Lemme read through this first
Also if we're doing this a-war thing, poke me about it first @[Mulisha] Saint Horus
Melna
 removed
[Mulisha] Saint Horus
 from the group.
Today at 12:23 PM
AnnivirToday at 12:23 PM
mhk
lemme
read
this pastebin
"[Mulisha] Saint HorusToday at 4:27 PM
What I was told this morning is he is 100% okay with you existing as a killable NPC OR if cleansed, a player character again. But he seems keen on you being an NPC boss entity."
I believe this statement likely sparked a bit of that
he in this statement is You, melna.
It would seem taylor is under the impression that his options are 1 or 2, not 1, 2, or 3.
From what I would've gleaned from this, his options are "Get cleansed and be a PC" or "Become a NPC"
Ostensibly melna, Taylor is pissed because as far as it's been presented to him, you and T'amora decided on a thing without involving them.
Either way
Erm
Actually, we did a thing with Imperfect a looong time ago
ostensibly he wouldnt even need to be cleansed
so
Imperfect was, for all intents and purposes, the first on-sim t5 dark mage, back when t5 wasnt a thing
I ran an event where he ended up transforming into a giant boss character that attacked the mytharii
When the players beat the shit out of him, he went back to being 'normal, dark-mage corrupted as fuck' imperfect, but without the extra power
Honestly we wouldnt even need to remove the t5b
I disagree, UNLESS
Actually, I had a better idea.
So, ostensibly, at this point, Sanctum is frankly a bunch of shit and I dont see how the group would be working with Taylor if he goes all boss-supernova. Annivir certainly wouldnt.

So, I suggest it be an event where both groups have to fight him. This ALSO helps coat the groups as shades of gray, two sides of the same coin, who, under certain circumstances, can work together, and gives the groups time to build each other up before going back to 'business as usual'
As a result, however, I truly feel that the way corruption works is not condusive to losing it easily.
We've got a mechanic that takes, at BEST
6-8 months MINIMUM to progress through.
Ther'es no point in the groups being mortal enemies when the only thing they do differently is one is ok with the study of dark magika.
I am NOT going to turn the Sanctum into a cult.
It has gone poorly EVERY single time
And ruined the group.
Sanctum is primarily a scholarly group dedicated to the study of all magika types equivalently.
They are not a cult.
They have never been a cult.
Melna
Why are you making a PC group a fucking zom-worshipping cult
You are setting this group up to crash and burn and die.
You are setting the group up for EVERY OTHER GROUP TO BE AGAINST THEM
That WILL NOT WORK
Except they havent
I disagree
You're doing the equivalent of making Sanctum the big-bad of the group, but forcing them to be solely a PC group.
And that does not equate to good PLAYER GROUPS
Then how come Sancutm has 3 active members
since BEFORE Z quit
the group had barely any activity
I. Do not. Want. To have to run. A fucking cult. AGAIN
It hasnt worked in the long run ANY time its been tried
And it's been tried multiple time.s
Do you even know how much shit I had to deal with when i was trying to do that for Tribunal, melna?
Did you even pay attention back then?
It didnt work.
We TRIED THAT BEFORE
WE. TRIED. IT. IT. DID. NOT. WORK.
That was what we were doing before I left the first time
We TRIED it being a cult/a 'secret society', the group died because no one had interest in it, we had constant OOC harassment about it, we had groups targeting us on the regular, and 90% of the scholarly shit we even tried to do got constantly retconned by one or more members of staff without ever informing me of why
I've been down this exact road before melna, it didnt work then and it will not work now.
And you keep telling people to do things without considering any ideas they had. You initially completely retconned the established lore for Tribunal, which resulted in it needing to BECOME sanctum BECAUSE YOU HARDLINED THE ORDER INTO EXISTENCE
I spent MONTHS writing up lore and shit for Tribunal, only for you to throw literally all of it out after approving it
You told ME to do shit, and when i did the shit YOU TOLD ME TO
it failed
it failed when you started putitng all of your shit in without actually considering if it was healthy for the group or if i even wanted to go down that route in the first place.
Ok.
We will see.
If it works, it works. However, I will say this :

Every group needs room to do its own thing, in order to remain healthy and to engage its membership.
If it turns out that the idea for the group is failing, then it is time to reconsider what else to do.
I disagree, because I have seen groups live and die because of staff causing sudden corrections without considering how to get from point A to point B in the first place.
It's fine to want a secret-society and whatnot, but if the group is a scholarly entity that is merely outlawed by common society, there needs to be a plan to GET from A to B
That will very much depend on what that ends up being.
I agree that we need to establish lore for the group to follow.
What I do not agree about is that it needs to be an expy of NOD
Because ive run 3 of those