panda's idea

<Panda> Hmm.
<Panda> What if powers appeared long before the first recorded superhero(s) and Scion's appearance
<Panda> All throughout history there are stories and legends of epic figures
<Panda> What if they all had a shard but in a time where they were mostly alone?
<Panda> Gives the entities information as a control for their experiment
<Teller> Could make for an interesting setting. I don't know if shards would like being alone, though.
<Panda> They see how shards can develop on their own and relatively isolated barring maybe a handful of other shards
<Panda> Then they plant the vast majority of them at a much later date
<Teller> A handful of shards makes more immediate sense to me.
<Panda> I'm slowly conceptualizing a potential WD session
<Panda> The Heracles', the Joan of Arcs, the Robin Hoods, the King Arthurs
<Panda> These massively larger than life figures that have been so distorted that their mythology seems mythical and nearly unbelievable
<Panda> Or to the point where they've been rendered firmly mythological, despite where the source of the stories came from
<Panda> Wheels are still turning, but this is what's in my head right now
<Panda> WD: Age of Myths
<Teller> What part of that would the session focus on?
<Teller> Would players be the mythological figures, or others?
<Panda> I would say Age of Legends, but that brings League of Legends to mind, and I don't wanna disturb that bees nest
<tubes> ree
<Panda> I'm thinking it'd be original characters at some nebulous point in "myth"
<Teller> Evening to you as well, tubes.
<Panda> Hey tubes
<tubes> damn, no capt
<tubes> $seen CaptNameless
<[ATM]> tubes: I saw CaptNameless 18 hours ago, saying 'Goodnight tubes'
<Faustus> rip
<Dolyn> Saff, did you /really/ just say "the delivery girl is cool"?
<Dolyn> I feel like that's just not true.
<Saff|Immy> Imm has no reason to think she's not cool
<Panda> Damn, this is difficult to find a specific time
<Panda> Because it depends on the place too
<OptimusRhyme> Maybe the mythical figures are all something like warlords, then all of a sudden, peasants start triggering out of the blue
<Panda> That's a completely different tone and premise than I was going for
<Faustus> Egypt?
<Panda> But I do like the brainstorming
<Panda> ooh
<Panda> Egypt could work
<Panda> Hmm
<Panda> Thing is
<Panda> Larger than Life figures are kind of... isolated, y'know?
<Panda> Unless they're in conflict with one another
<Faustus> Scandinavia had a lot of them that regularyl hung out
<Panda> And that's the issue I'm trying to work around while preserving the concept
<Faustus> *regularly
<Panda> Are you suggesting to me, WD: Valhalla
<Panda> *squints*
<Faustus> I'm suggesting WD: Vikings and Beowulf and shit
<Panda> That... yes, that was the joke
<Panda> *gentle headpats*
<Dolyn> Panda, I had a thought. I'll PM you.
<Panda> Dope, go for it
<Teller> Things like the Trojan War had various mythological figures throwing down with each other.
<Panda> Oooh
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<Panda> I don't know why I didn't look to Greek mythology here
<Faustus> Greece is done so much tbf
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<Teller> Also true.
<Panda> Defs
<Faustus> Journey to the West might be an interesting thing to draw from
<Faustus> Odyssey if you feel like sticking with Greece
<Panda> Hmmm
<Panda> Oh hey
<Panda> This reminds me
<OptimusRhyme> Yeah, maybe just increase the scope and decide historical accuracy doesn't matter. Julius Caesar is trying to take over the world. King Arthur, and Joan of Arc and Liu Bei and King Tut etc are all massively powerful metas leading their people, trying to stop him.
<Panda> How did we refine the draft process?
<Panda> Haha
<Faustus> Vern did WD Hundred Year War
<Teller> The draft process has been taken in a few different directions. The latest one I'm aware of is what Anti did in Indianapolis.
<OptimusRhyme> It's a world war, so the PC's can feasibly move all over the place
<Faustus> Mishie was in direct conflict with a parahuman Joan of Arc
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<Teller> Panda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rPIEc2D_PV_abJ1siCImnouc67wKtJ1wD6aoVq56WNc/edit
<_> [ #WDIndianapolis First Wave - Google Docs ] - docs.google.com
<ThalAI> I had my weird idea that I showed Brut a while back
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<Megiavelli> That's two resists, I think?
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<Panda> Teller the beginning of that doc was wild
<Panda> I loved the tone it set
<Saff|Immy> teller is a beast
<Panda> Thanks for the link
<Saff|Immy> also the more times you shout fuck at cashy the better your rolls are.
<Teller> Thanks. That's my Director talking with Anti's NPC.
<Panda> Ayyyy
<Panda> Hmm, I'm thinking about a draft for position
<Panda> More Pact Dice than WD
<OptimusRhyme> Position for what?
<Panda> Resources, position in society, etc
<Faustus> Be the literal murder hobo
<Panda> Wealth, Family, Societal Outlook, Legendary Deeds, Named Companions, Contacts and Connections
<OptimusRhyme> For this myth game you're thinking about?
<Panda> I'm sure there's more, but something like that
<Panda> Yes
<Panda> Depending on which one(s) you get
<Panda> It puts you at a different place in the game
<OptimusRhyme> That sounds pretty cool
<Panda> Someone who maxed out Deeds starts the game with some notoriety and clout, as well as a further understanding of what they're capable of
<Panda> "Routed an entire army by only killing a single person" type shit
<Panda> Gives different buffs and bonuses with hidden downsides that should be clear, given the context they're delivered
<Panda> Etc etc etc
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<Panda> Should maybe try to generate some mythical esque powers with corresponding triggers
<Faustus> Could always pull some inspiration from Cleopatra and Marc Antony for a multitrigger
<Panda> "Your insane mother, deluded into thinking that the gods would listen to her if she tried hard enough, held you underwater as a child, by your ankle. She ignored your thrashing as you tried desperately to escape the agony and pain of the icy chill spreading throughout your body. When you realized that she'd kill you and then blame it on the gods, y
<Panda> ou trigger."
<Panda> Boom, Achilles.
<OptimusRhyme> So the PC's are the legendary/mythical figures?
<Panda> No
<Panda> They are of that stock, though
<OptimusRhyme> Oh, gotcha
<Faustus> Atalanta could be easy. Raised by bears and all that.
<Saff|Immy> but make the bears gay men.
<OptimusRhyme> A Roman raised by wolves
<Faustus> It was specifically a she-bear
<iridium248> What did I miss?
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<Panda> Working on a tentative project, WD: Age of Heroes
<Panda> Might make it Age of Gods, because, y'know, capes
<OptimusRhyme> An Egyptian child set adrift on a river, but wasn't found for days
<Jovial> Saff knows
-*- Saff|Immy high fives jov
<iridium248> "You've taken massive amounts of hallucinogens, and you're wandering the desert. Holy shit, is that bush on fucking fire?"
<Panda> Yes, that's generally how it'd work
<Panda> But like
<Panda> Original triggers
<Panda> To produce original myths and legends
<Clawford> "then you realize that a bush on fire isn't that strange. That's when it start talking."
<Faustus> Oh, so new myths
<iridium248> "And it says - Kill them all, Moses. Kill them alllllll."
<Jovial> You could basically just change the dynamic into one where religious institutions and local folklore mutates capes into legendary figures.
<Faustus> You know what they say, when in Rome, steal the formats of other myths and change names and a few events
<Jovial> Skitter triggers and everyone says she's a godly plague on a quest.
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<Panda> That is true, that is a thing I could do
<Faustus> You were found as a child at a mountain, raised by the people who lived there, and learned the ways of the rocky highlands. You were much different from the people there, less able to breathe among the high steps of the hills, more stout, but they all treated you as a member of their village. It was fine, you were a rather renowned hunter until the age of 15, and an invading force came to your peaceful life. In a whirlwind of events,
<Faustus> your village goes up in flames and your father is trapped. Staying with him, the enemy soldiers advance, but stop when they see you. Shortly after, a man dressed as a general enters with tears in his eyes. The dawning realization of the truth of your life, and the  fear at what this man will do to your true father causes you to trigger.
<Faustus> Ah crap, forgot to add that the man is the spitting image of you
<Panda> That's pretty potent
<Panda> I dig
<Faustus> Inspired by Oedipus but without the complex
<Jovial> The only reason we care about Oedipus is because of the incest though.
<Panda> This is true
<Faustus> Not true, the Sphinx was an important takeaway as well
<Panda> Sphinx who?
<Faustus> The Sphinx's riddle
<Panda> Riddle who?
<Megiavelli> That's 'Doctor' for you.
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<OptimusRhyme> The old local lord, blessed with many daughters but with little land or money for dowry, is holding an archery competition, promising the hand of his youngest and most beautiful daughter to the winner. Your the best shot in your village and you've trekked two days to the castle to compete. And you make it to the final round, easily besting the othe
<OptimusRhyme> rs. But on the final shot, you can't help but look at the woman you're sure to marry. You miss, and your arrow strikes her in the chest. Trigger.
<Panda> Wait what
<Panda> What a twist
<Faustus> Your creator is insane, and the gods have blessed him to entertain themselves. It is the only explanation. You were made fully formed from marble. A sculpture. Your creator was... interesting to say the least. His ideal partner did not talk, walk, do any of the things humans did, so it's easy to see why he fell in love with the thing that became you. He loved it so much that he implored the goddess Aphrodite bestow you life, and that
<Faustus> she did. It swiftly broke down after that. You were perfect before, but your new ability and thought made your creator angry. He had ruined the one thing he loved, and then he tossed you out. Alone, cold, hungry. All things you had never been before. Overwhelmed, you trigger.
<Megiavelli> That's one hell of a miss.
<Faustus> Wow, what a twist, he could actually draw the bow
<Panda> So a tinker
<Faustus> Let alone string it
<Panda> Or a master
<Panda> That creates and empowers sculptures and/or marble
<Saff|Immy> ahh galatea
<Panda> And the sculpture triggers?
<Faustus> Yep
<Faustus> Pygmalion and Galatea
<Panda> You just can't help yourself, can you?
<Panda> I don't want derivative legends
<Faustus> Hey, in the original they're happy together (for some reason)
<Panda> I want original figures who carve their own paths
<Faustus> All legends are derivative. This one just goes on further and takes different steps to get there.
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<Megafire> Woo!
<Megafire> Thanks for the session, Wellwick, I had a lot of fun.
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<Panda> Except
<Panda> I'm saying, and I'll be more clear
<Wellwick> Thanks very much for playing, glad that the Aosta has started off so well :D
<Panda> In the same way a bunch of triggers were created for WD that are original and not all exactly like X event
<Panda> Or inspired by something completely unrelated to other characters
<Panda> I'd like the same thing here
<Panda> Just because I gave an example of an 'Achilles' trigger, doesn't mean I want an Achilles trigger included
<Panda> It's lazy
<OptimusRhyme> But a deranged mother trying a crazy, dangerous ritual to save her sick child could easily be a trigger
<Panda> Yes, it could be
<Panda> But let's not miss my point
<Megafire> You've spent your entire life building up and maintaining your farm. It is everything you could want, and you're able to support a good part of a nearby village with the hard work of yourself and your family. One night, however, you wake up to a sound you've always dreaded, and, when you set your feet down, you find the water up to your ankles. You rush outside to see your life's work flooded away. Trigger.
<Panda> Again
<Panda> That's a solid one, Meg
<OptimusRhyme> I think i got it
<Faustus> Your creator is insane, and the gods have blessed him to entertain themselves. It is the only explanation. You were made from the foam of the sea, a boar's tusk, and the scrapings of a soup pot. You started as a creature similar to a rat, but each day saw you brought closer and closer to his perverted image of humanity. And then one day you were. Each movement brings pain as the whole pain of a human existence comes to you. The
<Faustus> grinding of your bones, the pounding of your heart, the breath in your lungs, all are pain. Before you can grow accustomed to your new life, the pain it all brings, the creator opens you to the sunlight. Trigger.
<Megafire> Could probably phrase it better to make it more impactful, but it's late, so I'm not going to bother.
<OptimusRhyme> Is the archery competition one kinda what youre looking for?
<Panda> Those look good
<Panda> And Faust that's fucked up and I love it
<soulpelt|sleep> The land around the mountain has always been fertile. Crops grow large, cattle fat. Then one day the earth is shaking, the sky darkening and the air choking. The mountain is exploding, and as the dark cloud of hate and fire wash down you trigger.
<Faustus> Deciding to try something you heard in a poem, you strap on your father's armor and sword, then jump for the ocean. Turns out that maybe the claim of swimming for eight days in full armor is ridiculous. You sink like a stone into the salty, cold depths. Trigger.
<Megafire> Ha!
<Megafire> Anyway, I'm off to bed. Goodnight, all.
<Panda> o/
<Saff|Immy> night mego
<Lysa> gni
<Wellwick> night megs
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<Panda> Hmm. Hey Teller, think you could help me with the Status Drafting thing?
<Teller> Possibly. What did you want it to look like? I saw your summary above, but don't fully grasp it.
<Panda> Okay
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<Panda> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jdkBJa3YEJW03X7UPed-vEOczdwQjuuYy7NAjENJiqg/edit#heading=h.wrqyi56g57us
<_> [ Pact Dice - Google Docs ] - docs.google.com
<Saff|Immy> hi dive cock how are you?
<Panda> Something a lot like that system
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<Panda> Minus the clash and refined towards PCs who are already going to be in the game
<Panda> Maybe something like: You get 10 points to divvy up between 5 options, you can neglect 4 in order to dump everything into the last one
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<Panda> Not quite sure how to conceptualize it, but I feel like it'd add something to the experience
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<Teller> If you want something simple, I'd say: 4 categories, 12 points. Each category has a number of tiers equal to the number of players. Highest bidder in a category gets the highest spot, and so on.
<Teller> In the case of ties, break it based on the character concept they describe for that category (My great deed would be X, etc) or some other factor like willingness to take flaws.
<Panda> Hmm.
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<Panda> 4 categories? How would I consolidate what I listed above?
<Teller> No need for it to be 4. Could bump it up 6 with 18 points.
<Cyn> I feel like none of my PCs are on here, now that I've actually come into some free time.
<Panda> So like: Wealth - You possess most of the wealth and workers in the city (5 pts), You are fairly wealthy due to your ownership of the nearby mine (4pts), You aren't the wealthiest, but you don't know hunger (3pts)
<Panda> And so on?
<Teller> Yeah, something like that. It'd be a relative thing, though, so instead of (5 pts) it'd be (highest bidder).
<Panda> Fair enough
<Teller> Were you imagining a more involved process?
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<Panda> Somewhat?
<Panda> Like
<Panda> I want people to decide what they want to be, and how they want to get that way, but I also want to limit it
<Panda> So what you're suggesting isn't that awful, tbh
<Panda> I'm trying to figure out how I want to handle triggers and die rolls at the same time, too
<Teller> If you want something really crazy, deal out specific deeds to the PCs semi-randomly and make them barter for it.
<Panda> Example?
<Teller> Er, not deeds. Tiers/Categories.
<Panda> Hmm. I think I might have something.
<Teller> What are you thinking?
<Panda> Let the players bid from a sizable pool on the trigger event they'd like. And if they have enough, they can bid on multiple, to start them off with parahuman assistance.
<Panda> With whatever they have left, bids are made on the categories.
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<Panda> Allowing a normal character who wants to bid on "Normal, able to trigger" to start off not completely behind.
<Panda> Hmm. Maybe bids on re-rolls as well?
<Panda> Pondering pondering.
<Teller> Interesting. How many PCs and triggers are you thinking of having?
<Panda> 5.
<Panda> Maybe like 15 triggers
<Panda> If you look up, there's a bunch that were tossed out already, so it wouldn't be too hard
<Teller> Hm. Decreased scarcity means less pressure on bidders.
<Teller> Not necessarily a bad thing.
<Panda> If you bid, you lose those points. If you win a bid, you get half of the points invested in it back.
<Panda> I was kinda thinking ahead haha
<Lysa> ooooh
<Teller> Hm. That's pretty harsh.
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<Teller> I worry that process would be prioritizing the bidding game over giving players a way to get a trigger/character they're interested in.
<Saff|Immy> MEGA GO BACK TO BED
<Lysa> same
<Lysa> mega, sleep
<Lysa> we'll review your campaign eventually
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<Teller> I favor a simple point ranking system for the triggers, paired with what you said earlier about using the leftovers points for the categories.
<Teller> That way, players who didn't get the trigger they wanted will have more buying power in the second round.
<Dolyn> I agree with that notion, Teller. Let people get closer to something they want.
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<Mishie> It also encourages people to make backroom deals
<Teller> Another thought that just occurred to me: a few categories like Wealth or Family might conflict with the backstory in the trigger, unless you skip forward in time some.
<Turncoat> Is there a draft being planned here?
<Teller> Yes. We're discussing potential draft mechanics for Panda's game idea.