Real Big Money - Revelations by an insider.English subtiles

1
00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:25,700
Ronald, you have a very strong background in the financial sector,
asset management, deposit trading, as far as I understood

2
00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,380
can you tell us something about your experiences?
For how long did you work there?

3
00:00:31,820 --> 00:00:36,740
Well, my experiences are more complicated than what you mentioned just now.

4
00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:41,720
Actually I have been an entrepreneur my entire life

5
00:00:41,740 --> 00:00:45,240
Independence being the key component to me.

6
00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,560
l have once tried being an employee, but that didn't work out.

7
00:00:52,700 --> 00:01:00,740
Being an entrepreneur, I have seen many sectors,
amongst which I have experienced the financial world.

8
00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:10,300
All my other companies as an entrepreneur, like my own
fashion line for lades, car-dealership and also import-export

9
00:01:10,660 --> 00:01:21,720
had me involved to such an extend with building up
my own fortune, it inherently guided me into the world of finance.

10
00:01:21,740 --> 00:01:31,420
Working in import-export, you encounter different currencies
and you have to go to the exchange to trade through brokers.

11
00:01:31,740 --> 00:01:34,340
And on of these brokers

12
00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:39,680
said at some point, 'Ronald, I’ve been looking at you life
for a long time and you are always busy,

13
00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:44,760
you earn money, we know, but what is your goal?

14
00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:50,720
and I replied: 'The only goal I have as an entrepreneur,
is to earn as much money as I possibly can'

15
00:01:50,740 --> 00:01:58,720
because the more money I  have, the quicker
I can retire, be free and of course have status,

16
00:01:58,780 --> 00:02:06,720
basically everything you want in this society
or at least, that’s what I thought back then.

17
00:02:06,740 --> 00:02:12,380
So the broker said: ‘In that case,
stop what you are doing now, stop with all those companies

18
00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,320
and just start dealing money, go into the financial word'

19
00:02:16,460 --> 00:02:18,700
And that is the beginning

20
00:02:18,780 --> 00:02:21,180
of that situation that is connected to your original question.

21
00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:32,700
The broker, had a place in the exchange market
and he dealt in currencies, deposits, so trading in assets

22
00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:40,760
to make money out of differences in interest rates,
and that involved the aforementioned asset management.

23
00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:46,700
Those three aspects together formed the interesting package I said yes to.

24
00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:53,720
He said: 'All right, you can take my place here,
I’ll train you, introduce you into the network,

25
00:02:54,300 --> 00:03:02,420
but in exchange I want 10% of your annual earnings'.

26
00:03:03,100 --> 00:03:09,720
So he basically sold me his spot in the financial world
and asked a 10% commission which  paid him.

27
00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,720
I said, yes, fine with me!

28
00:03:12,740 --> 00:03:14,680
Then he replied: 'There is one thing you need to know'

29
00:03:14,740 --> 00:03:22,740
If you can't put your conscience in the proverbial freezer,
and l don't mean on -18 degrees, but on a -100, then don't get involved in this.

30
00:03:24,780 --> 00:03:34,420
That was the message, 'You want a lot of money,
you can obtain that, l can help you, but it comes at a great cost -

31
00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:40,700
because you can not do this with a clear conscience.'
Well, I laughed at that, I was young and naive.

32
00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:52,740
From my youth, from the way I came into life;
my far from ideal youth led me to develop a certain view of the world and humanity

33
00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,520
What do you man by that? No warm, loving family?

34
00:03:57,900 --> 00:04:04,700
My mother always did the best she could to make us feel loved,

35
00:04:04,780 --> 00:04:09,820
but she was hampered by that due the behavior of the father,

36
00:04:10,820 --> 00:04:17,520
who caused us to feel more like we lived in a war zone with each other.

37
00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:24,720
That  isn't an exemplary situation to grow up in

38
00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:37,700
and as a child growing up like that, led me to believe
that the world and humanity are far from great.

39
00:04:37,780 --> 00:04:41,020
So putting your conscience in the freezer was fitting in as a starting point?

40
00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:49,700
I was, partially, already used to doing that out of self-preservation,

41
00:04:49,700 --> 00:04:55,740
so to put my conscience in the freezer was not an impossible task to me

42
00:04:55,740 --> 00:04:58,680
So it became a survival mechanism to you?
- Yes, yes.

43
00:04:58,700 --> 00:05:05,780
And my view of humanity and the world around me wasn't exactly positive either.

44
00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:14,500
l only thought of myself, that’s the way I grew up
to be out of self-presevation - and I got into the deal.

45
00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:21,540
Which meant, that slowly, I build up a customer base.

46
00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:33,720
and as I improved my skills within the network,
I got deeper into the financial world

47
00:05:33,780 --> 00:05:39,380
and then it turns out the world is really small, and you keep noticing that

48
00:05:39,500 --> 00:05:46,720
even when I was still working in import-export
dealing in grain and such, you notice it is just a small circle

49
00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,740
and if we talk about the hard core circle in the financial world,

50
00:05:51,740 --> 00:06:04,720
I don't mean miss Jean at the bank, but the
big global flows of money which you use for trading.

51
00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:10,700
- You are talking about world wide cash flows, so not
the Netherlands in particular where you started working?

52
00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:20,700
The Netherlands do play a distinct part in this story,
but the world does not revolve around it.

53
00:06:21,540 --> 00:06:26,560
The Netherlands are part of a large global financial system.

54
00:06:27,660 --> 00:06:36,780
In which you work through exchange market
if you want to do official transactions.

55
00:06:36,780 --> 00:06:43,740
And many banks, who do the currency exchange,

56
00:06:44,660 --> 00:06:51,280
get certain assignments from clients, which they can't get away with easily.

57
00:06:52,160 --> 00:07:03,120
Then the need arises for people like me, who were
the straw men where big money flows are involved.

58
00:07:03,140 --> 00:07:15,740
We used certain financial constructions, international legislation, to move the money in
such a way making everything ok.

59
00:07:16,180 --> 00:07:21,520
So all supervisors, regulatory bodies that are in place world wide, because they are,

60
00:07:23,060 --> 00:07:26,720
that no one wakes up seeing what is going on,

61
00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:35,740
like a year or two ago, with the scandal around Panama.
-The Panama papers.

62
00:07:35,740 --> 00:07:37,860
Yes.

63
00:07:37,860 --> 00:07:40,120
Yes, then...
-Tax evasion?-

64
00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:51,420
I think, well that was about avoiding taxes,
tax evasion is when you break all the rules. This had to do with avoiding.

65
00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:56,740
But when you see what happened there, I'm like 'Guys that is old news,

66
00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,700
and who are you boring with that because it is peanuts and hardly relevant.'

67
00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:06,020
However, for the common people, that is great news, but it is not anything big.

68
00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,720
But it does show, there is something very wrong in this world.

69
00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:16,120
For example, there are people in the Netherlands,
with certain positions, who have bank accounts in Panama,

70
00:08:16,180 --> 00:08:24,620
with legislations that allows them not to pay taxes
in the Netherlands, which is still completely legal.

71
00:08:24,700 --> 00:08:30,680
Constructions like that were part of my job, when we had to change currency

72
00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:40,240
we had changes, the first boycotts in Iraq early 90s,

73
00:08:40,260 --> 00:08:45,780
when there was a boycott in Iraq because of the war that started there.

74
00:08:45,780 --> 00:08:51,680
And we were confronted with what we called 'Iraqi-dollar',

75
00:08:51,700 --> 00:08:56,700
Iraqi-dollars, which were actually American dollars.

76
00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:05,700
The American dollar has a direct relation to the oil prices
which made it a world trading currency backed up by oil.

77
00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,100
As long as that connection is in place, the dollar has value.

78
00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:17,100
Officially, the Iraqi people weren’t allowed to sell their oil due to the boycott.

79
00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:22,700
In theory that is, because never before
there was such a big business in oil, with discounts in this case,

80
00:09:22,700 --> 00:09:28,760
because officially it wasn't allowed, so with discounts it still crossed the borders.

81
00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:37,920
These dollars, because the energy was always paid in dollars, so the Iraqi-dollars
had to go somewhere.

82
00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:45,720
You couldn't just take them to the desk at the bank
because of all the regulations and checks did provide a certain protection,

83
00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:53,680
because money laundering and criminality
wasn’t anything new back then, now we call it terrorism,

84
00:09:53,700 --> 00:09:55,160
but that was then also the case.

85
00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,320
So then you need people to take the heath.

86
00:09:59,460 --> 00:10:09,740
As straw men you got invited to a bank in, for example,
Germany, with basements full of trucks filled with money.

87
00:10:10,140 --> 00:10:10,780
- Wow!

88
00:10:11,140 --> 00:10:17,780
And then you think 'Sure trucks, transports - a busy company'.

89
00:10:17,980 --> 00:10:25,700
'Come with me', then they show you they are all filled to maximum capacity with dollars

90
00:10:25,780 --> 00:10:28,780
and they tell you 'We need to get rid of all this cash,

91
00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:34,480
so change them for pounds, German Marks, this,
that, in such way and it needs to go there and there.'

92
00:10:34,540 --> 00:10:37,740
Are we now talking about money laundering,? Or...

93
00:10:37,740 --> 00:10:39,680
Well, processing cash.

94
00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:47,300
Processing cash in such a way that we can legally reintroduce it into the money circuit.

95
00:10:47,380 --> 00:10:49,600
So that was your task??

96
00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,720
That was an assignment my colleagues and I got.
- Okay.

97
00:10:52,780 --> 00:10:57,340
You are never alone on an assignment, because you can not do this on your own.

98
00:10:58,020 --> 00:10:59,700
It is not possible.

99
00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:07,240
We all know Scrooge McDuck scooping money
with his shovel, well we literally had to do that over there.

100
00:11:07,340 --> 00:11:10,420
It was impossible to process all at once.

101
00:11:10,420 --> 00:11:15,760
So then you need to find a way, cash used to be the predominant way of paying

102
00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,720
where nowadays most is digital,

103
00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,400
but you tried to find a way to process the cash.

104
00:11:22,420 --> 00:11:31,700
How do you reintroduce the cash into the circuit
so Iraq can deal in it's oil without being hampered.

105
00:11:31,700 --> 00:11:35,720
Because they are the ones that own the money.

106
00:11:35,780 --> 00:11:42,480
Iraq doesn't want to... look, you mentioned
money laundering, but what it was about the boycott,

107
00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:44,700
Iraq had to stick to the rules,

108
00:11:44,700 --> 00:11:52,700
and by... you know, everything you want to know
about the world, you can know by following the money.

109
00:11:52,700 --> 00:12:01,700
That is the bottom-line, everyone can say 'bla bla bla',
but make sure you follow the money then you'll find the truth.

110
00:12:03,060 --> 00:12:11,720
Same thing goes for that situation. So the only thing Iraq
and their buying partners wanted, was to remain free of any accusations.

111
00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,100
Because the partners who bought it were the ones placing the boycott in the first place -

112
00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,320
but they are actually all friends on the same side.

113
00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:27,780
Everybody thinks there are opposites like good and bad guys in the world,

114
00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,780
but on the higher levels it is just a game and they are all working together.

115
00:12:33,180 --> 00:12:37,740
However, they do have to stick to the rules
and regulations, they themselves have created

116
00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:44,280
to keep the rest of society suppressed
and make sure that it will not be too crowded at the top.

117
00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,460
So you have to play by your own rules.

118
00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:56,000
So what is going on there, is to make sure that nobody can trace you,

119
00:12:56,780 --> 00:13:02,760
apart from the elite themselves,
nobody in lower ranks can find out what really happened.

120
00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,740
Compartmentalized, that's how we call it.
- Yes.

121
00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,680
Everyone knows only his own little piece.
Only the elite knows what is happening.

122
00:13:10,700 --> 00:13:15,640
Yes, but because we were doing the dirty work, we had to know a lot.

123
00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,960
Because we couldn’t afford to make any mistakes.

124
00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,740
- How high in the pyramid did you get?
Were you close to the top of the pyramid?

125
00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,760
Well, we were communicating with them.
- Okay.

126
00:13:25,820 --> 00:13:32,700
My ego would have loved it when l got to this position of belonging to the top itself.

127
00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:39,180
Nowadays we still talk about 8000-8500 people in the world who run the entire world.

128
00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:45,300
It would have been amazing to get into such a position back then.

129
00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:56,720
All right, but if we say the top knows 100% ,
can you estimate how much you knew and understood of what happened?

130
00:13:56,740 --> 00:14:01,700
In my work, I had to know a 100% of what was going on.

131
00:14:02,140 --> 00:14:06,700
There was no other way, because of the interests of the people involved were huge.

132
00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,700
Especially for the top.
- Exactly.

133
00:14:08,740 --> 00:14:15,420
If I wouldn't know all the details I would end up making mistakes.

134
00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,720
Which would cause a spin-off, because those mistake would be detected.

135
00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,740
Then the people that don't know anything about it, would interfere.

136
00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:32,680
We are talking about having nerves of steel to function at this level.

137
00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:36,720
So did you have nerves of steel?
-Yes, it worked just 'fine'.

138
00:14:36,740 --> 00:14:45,720
The freezer worked very well for you...
- Yes, I played at the highest level for about 5 years.

139
00:14:45,740 --> 00:14:51,720
And then it was totally over, out and done with.

140
00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,740
That was a very intense moment for me.

141
00:14:56,740 --> 00:14:59,680
Yes.
- That happened suddenly?

142
00:14:59,780 --> 00:15:04,720
Or was there a reason...
- Well, no, the thing is,

143
00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:10,740
I gave a small example of what was involved,

144
00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:16,700
so in this case currency exchange, dollar to something else,

145
00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:21,720
deposited in a safe manner,

146
00:15:21,740 --> 00:15:32,780
and managing assets well, so it could grow to
rate of return, leading to reinvestments with the money.

147
00:15:32,780 --> 00:15:39,740
The level I played at in those 5 years, and that
didn't happen overnight, you need to earn your place,

148
00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:52,720
I am skilled at connecting the dots, information
in order to achieve a full picture of all the things involved,

149
00:15:53,700 --> 00:15:59,720
that need to be taken into account within the playing field.

150
00:15:59,740 --> 00:16:01,700
Which is a very detailed process.

151
00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,700
You stand out when you are gifted in this.

152
00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:11,680
This is the reason I was trusted with
the full 100% of the information where it concerned my jobs,

153
00:16:11,700 --> 00:16:14,680
so I didn't know about everything they knew,

154
00:16:14,700 --> 00:16:21,700
but everything that I needed to know regarding the case I was working with colleagues.

155
00:16:21,700 --> 00:16:24,760
I was often put in the leading role, because I kept a good overview of the situation.

156
00:16:24,780 --> 00:16:26,720
You're good at making quick switches.

157
00:16:26,740 --> 00:16:30,720
Yes, and I was good at innovative thinking to solve the problem.

158
00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:37,720
I had fun, creating solutions in such a way to always stay ahead and outsmart them,

159
00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,760
staying within the rules of the game but playing around
with them to make everything match up. I loved that game.

160
00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:49,720
However, on the other hand you had a great amount
of responsibility and you learned more and more about the real world.

161
00:16:49,780 --> 00:16:53,280
Since through the financial world you learn all of the actual truth.

162
00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,940
So you say 'all' - in what regard?

163
00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:04,680
Well your clients give you glimpses of how the world really works.

164
00:17:04,700 --> 00:17:08,700
In hindsight, I still didn’t know everything, but I did know a lot,

165
00:17:08,700 --> 00:17:13,700
because my clients were banks, who didn't want blood on their hands,

166
00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,700
but within those banks there always is a number
of people who know damn well what s going on.

167
00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:22,680
So, like 1% within a bank knows the truth
of the matter regarding the happenings within the world,

168
00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:25,680
which is not surprising considering they are involved in the flows of money.

169
00:17:25,700 --> 00:17:32,680
Those are your clients, you also have governments to deal with, multinationals,

170
00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,760
you have to deal with secret services

171
00:17:35,780 --> 00:17:39,740
and what they now call terrorist organizations.

172
00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:45,740
You get all of the groups that involved with the big money as clients.

173
00:17:45,740 --> 00:17:51,440
then you start seeing the connections, so they might be
compartmentalized as you just mentioned, regarding knowledge,

174
00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:58,760
but because I am in the middle, I see how they relate to another;
you see the money coming from this place, then going to that place, etc

175
00:17:58,780 --> 00:18:02,760
you keep gaining information and thereby overview of what is really going on.

176
00:18:02,980 --> 00:18:13,880
So do you have to serve and keep all of those groups happy,
including terrorist organizations, you were trying to keep everybody happy?

177
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,000
Yes.

178
00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:17,420
Dear God!
- Yes

179
00:18:17,460 --> 00:18:18,780
That was my job.

180
00:18:18,780 --> 00:18:20,760
Keeping all the balls in the air.

181
00:18:20,780 --> 00:18:29,360
Yes, indeed, so one of the things that I found out,
I did not know that before, but now I do,

182
00:18:29,460 --> 00:18:37,000
is about secret services; you think
they are there to serve and protect a people, country, etc.

183
00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:45,680
but they actually turn out to be criminal organizations,
to be more precise, the system is heavily so.

184
00:18:45,700 --> 00:18:55,700
We are talking about financing wars,
creating wars, so basically creating a lot of misery in this world,

185
00:18:55,700 --> 00:18:58,720
so lots of conflict.

186
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:04,940
And then I think to myself, if only people knew what the world is really like.

187
00:19:05,260 --> 00:19:08,540
Secret services will stop at nothing.

188
00:19:10,620 --> 00:19:20,260
But they also have their flows of money, because if they
are trading in drugs or weapons or, for that matter, people,

189
00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,240
all that money has to go somewhere. Everything has to be financed.

190
00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:29,140
You say 'if', but you could confirm they are doing this?

191
00:19:29,860 --> 00:19:32,700
All of them. All of them.
- Yes.

192
00:19:32,740 --> 00:19:39,700
So the entire world as we think we know it, is just an illusion we believe in.

193
00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:46,680
Which is something you find out in this line of work
and where it all went wrong for me, to put it that way

194
00:19:46,700 --> 00:19:48,960
Right, you mean, finally that is.

195
00:19:49,180 --> 00:19:57,060
In hindsight, yes  it was for the best but, my 'freezer' started to malfunction.

196
00:19:57,620 --> 00:20:04,020
There were things happening, for example I went to
a different trade market, and one of my colleagues there said:

197
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:09,040
'Ronald, you remember that case with the Italian lira?'
I sometimes mention that during talks as well,

198
00:20:09,740 --> 00:20:15,240
'do you remember those deals', in which we did massive dumping of the lira

199
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:21,140
which reduced the value of the currency,

200
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:28,740
which caused a company in Italy to be hit in such a way they went bankrupt.

201
00:20:30,660 --> 00:20:36,300
And then you hear at the exchange,
'You remember that successful deal with the lira?' Yes.

202
00:20:36,460 --> 00:20:43,480
And then they say: 'Did you know that
the owner committed suicide and left a family behind?'

203
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,700
Things like that.
- Ouch!

204
00:20:47,340 --> 00:20:49,340
And back then we laughed at it.

205
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,420
'Hahahah', all together, all of us.

206
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:58,420
We looked down on people, mocked them,
it was just a product, waste, everything was worthless trash -

207
00:20:58,740 --> 00:21:02,840
nature, the planet, everything could burn and break
- Just useless parasites.

208
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,700
Just as long as we met our goals, as long as we were growing.

209
00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:11,680
Many of my colleagues ended up drinking or using drugs.

210
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,740
Not me, maybe I should have...
- Or not.

211
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:21,720
No in hindsight, it was for the best and I'm happy to still be alive...

212
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,680
however, all those horrible things,

213
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,700
started to eat at me.

214
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:36,720
Can you give an example, because I can sense a lot of terrible things happened to you?

215
00:21:36,740 --> 00:21:44,700
Yes, it is difficult part for me to talk about
- I can feel that, but only whatever you wish to share is all right.

216
00:21:44,780 --> 00:21:47,760
Yes, I only talk about things I want to tell,

217
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:53,980
but it does evoke lots of emotions and
with my conscience not being in the freezer it touches me deeply.

218
00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:57,860
Yes, I feel the same way. All right,

219
00:21:57,900 --> 00:22:07,440
Can you tell me the worst thing that has happened
that caused the tipping point in your situation?

220
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:14,760
Well that was the beginning of the end. You get so deep into these circles

221
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:21,700
and you sign a lifetime contract, not with blood or anything,

222
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:26,720
to never disclose names of companies, organizations or people.

223
00:22:26,740 --> 00:22:29,620
I think that is why I am still alive.

224
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,480
You have to stick to it.

225
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,460
If we are talking about the worst things that I have experienced,

226
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:41,180
I just told you about things that made
the freezer glitch, my conscience started to show itself.

227
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,900
Lets put it this way, I was training to become a psychopath, and I failed.

228
00:22:46,020 --> 00:22:49,200
I did not complete the training, and didn’t become a psychopath.

229
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:57,780
My conscience came back and the most difficult part
for me was, because I had such a great status there,

230
00:22:57,780 --> 00:23:05,660
I was a success, I was trusted with the people playing at this level.

231
00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:15,760
To put it carefully, most of these people followed a not very mainstream religion.

232
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,020
So you have Catholics, Protestants, all sort of religions.

233
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:25,200
These people, most of them, were Luciferians.

234
00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:33,480
And then you can say, religion is a fairy tale, God doesn't exist,
none of that is real. Well, for these people it is truth and reality,

235
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:39,740
and they served something immaterial, what they called Lucifer.

236
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:47,620
And I also was in contact with those circles, only I laughed at it because to me they
were just clients.

237
00:23:47,780 --> 00:23:51,420
So I went to places called Churches of Satan.

238
00:23:51,460 --> 00:23:54,160
- So now we are talking about Satanism?

239
00:23:54,160 --> 00:24:00,720
Yes, so I visited these churches, just as a visitor, dropped by,

240
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:07,080
and then they were doing their Holy Mass with naked women and liquor and stuff.

241
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,740
And it just amused me.

242
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,860
I didn’t believe in any of this stuff,

243
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,400
and was far from convinced if any of this was real.

244
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,260
- It was just a spectacle to you...

245
00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:25,420
Yes, in my opinion the darkness and evil is within the people themselves.

246
00:24:25,660 --> 00:24:28,280
I didn’t make the connection yet.

247
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:39,740
So I was a guest in those circles and it amused me greatly to see all those naked
women and the other things.

248
00:24:39,780 --> 00:24:42,220
It was the good life.

249
00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:55,300
But then at some point, I was invited, which is why
I'm telling you all this, to participate in sacrifices...

250
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,160
abroad.

251
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:09,000
That was the breaking point.

252
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,740
Children.

253
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,780
You were asked to do that...?
-Yes, and I couldn't do that.

254
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,720
Would you like to stop for a moment by the way?
- No.

255
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:37,320
And then I started to slowly break down.

256
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:43,740
I lived through quite a lot as a child myself and this really touched me deeply.

257
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,760
Everything changed.

258
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,680
But that is the world I found myself in.

259
00:25:55,780 --> 00:25:59,700
And then I started to refuse assignments within my job

260
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,700
I could no longer do it.

261
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,740
Which made me a threat.

262
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,540
- For them... of course.

263
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,680
I was no longer capable of functioning optimally
my performance started to shake and I had refused tasks

264
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:13,700
I had not participated...

265
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,700
The purpose of the whole thing, eventually, in that world

266
00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:24,720
is that they have everybody in their pocket. You need to be susceptible to blackmail.

267
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,760
and blackmailing me proved to be very hard if I look back on it.

268
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,260
They wanted to do that through those children. And that broke me.

269
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:36,000
Is that...

270
00:26:36,380 --> 00:26:42,760
-you are not telling me something new- what they also do in politics?

271
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:54,160
If you google this, you'll find enough worldwide
witness accounts to know this isn't a Walt Disney-fairy tale,

272
00:26:54,180 --> 00:27:01,380
unfortunately the truth is, that worldwide they have been doing this for thousands of
years.

273
00:27:01,380 --> 00:27:08,780
I once studied theology and even in the bible
you find references to these practices with Israelites.

274
00:27:08,780 --> 00:27:17,440
The reason the first 10 tribes were banished
to Babylonia was because of these rituals with children.

275
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:24,720
including the sacrificing of children, so this is pertinent, all this made me believe,

276
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:30,860
because I realized there was more to life
than meets the eye. There is a whole invisible world, it is real.

277
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,720
You really do talk about a dark force and a manifestation of light.

278
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,260
So I resorted to studying theology to make sense of it all.

279
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,280
- And psychology as well if I remember correctly?

280
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,460
Yes, but that I did in my first life.

281
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:53,400
Because through commercial psychology, mass psychology, I was able to manipulate
situations for my own benefit.

282
00:27:53,440 --> 00:28:03,540
That is scary, because if you dig into that, you find
Tavistock Institute and mindcontrol, MK Ultra, Monarch and the like...

283
00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:08,720
Yes, that is correct but that was all part of the job.

284
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:19,220
Through training at the job I got into that more deeply,
because when you are making deals you also need to manipulate the media.

285
00:28:19,220 --> 00:28:25,360
You have to manipulate lots of things because nothing can be seem as it is.

286
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:28,720
Everything has to appear to be something different.

287
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,560
You see the people as a flock of sheep,

288
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:39,680
you put a couple Border Collies and drive them in a direction.
- Right.

289
00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:44,500
and to be honest with you, I still see that happening around me.

290
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,360
Unfortunately.

291
00:28:45,380 --> 00:28:53,500
People are still, through the systems and methods that we
ourselves used to use, being treated in that same way, and it still works.

292
00:28:53,500 --> 00:29:02,740
People still don't understand how it really works
and are still on the level of as long as l have my beer and whatever,

293
00:29:02,740 --> 00:29:08,780
completely self-absorbed, also a survival mechanism, I mean it is the program after all.

294
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,780
But you still see how stupidly easy it is to put people in a certain direction.

295
00:29:12,780 --> 00:29:15,700
When you are the one pulling the strings that is.
- Mass psychology

296
00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:18,560
Yes, and later, much later,

297
00:29:18,580 --> 00:29:24,700
in all those studies and discoveries I found a document,
which they are claiming is bullshit of course,

298
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:27,760
the protocols of Zion.

299
00:29:27,780 --> 00:29:38,140
And nowadays I recommend everyone, to read the whole
of that incredibly boring document, just work through it, read it though.

300
00:29:38,140 --> 00:29:40,080
We are also talking about Zionism...

301
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:41,780
Yes, of course.

302
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,700
If you read the protocols of Zion

303
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:50,740
and really study them and understand

304
00:29:50,740 --> 00:29:55,600
then it is like reading the newspaper of the daily life.

305
00:29:55,620 --> 00:30:03,480
How from their position of ultimate power, and ultimate it has literally become,

306
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:09,380
but that is only because the people don't stand up for themselves.

307
00:30:09,380 --> 00:30:17,480
And we have all been programmed, if you dare to say
you are against Zionism, then you are branded an anti-Semite.

308
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,460
Then you are... they try to...

309
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:27,500
The negative, you can say evil,
the Luciferians, the Satanists, whatever you wish to call it,

310
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,920
It is a real entity.

311
00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:36,860
I have found that what is written in the Bible,
and not just the Bible, you can find it in so many books,

312
00:30:36,860 --> 00:30:42,480
there really has been a moment of separation from the manifestation of light

313
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:51,460
in which a group went their own way and are carrying an intense hatred, anger;

314
00:30:51,480 --> 00:31:00,080
the people who do not underestimate the severity of this are but few.
Because this is an all annihilating force that hates our guts.

315
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:03,120
It hates creation, it hates life.

316
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,520
And it will do anything to destroy us completely.

317
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,920
And the way to do that is to divide humanity.

318
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,900
Divide and conquer is their truth.

319
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:21,120
Humanity is a manifestation of light, that is the true creation.

320
00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:30,060
As long as you divide them based on political parties, skin color,
you name it,

321
00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:41,520
then you  - from a Luciferian point of view
that is - suppress the full capacities of your enemy, their full power,

322
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:47,500
they can't stand up for themselves
because if that would happen, the Luciferians would lose.

323
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:53,480
Then this monster, the greedy monster would disappear.

324
00:31:53,480 --> 00:32:02,520
I tell people about this old American general
who puts an entire room of people in the dark.

325
00:32:02,540 --> 00:32:05,520
The eyes adapt to the darkness, but you can't see a thing.

326
00:32:05,540 --> 00:32:12,520
The general doesn't say a word and suddenly he flicks on a lighter, one little light,

327
00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:16,460
and due to the prolonged darkness,

328
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:24,500
you experience a manifestation of light from
a single point and everyone can slightly see each other again.

329
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,520
and then he says: 'That is the power of our light'.

330
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,360
Beautiful.

331
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,560
Unite. Unite.

332
00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:34,500
Come together -

333
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:37,480
and this entire shit story seizes to exist.

334
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,480
That's how fast it could happen.

335
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:48,680
But that is easy for me to say now, but then I was
in a period of my life in which I was crumbling down.

336
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:54,480
Could you tell us something specific about that?

337
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,520
How did that happen? Because you were invited...

338
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,560
I started to refuse assignments.

339
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:10,020
My conscience came back after the request
involving the children and I started to refuse more and more.

340
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,760
I had a conscience and I couldn't function anymore.

341
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,480
But you did still show up at work, after that?

342
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:24,480
I didn't really have a choice, I had my own business
with several offices and employees, everything was still rolling.

343
00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:26,020
That must have been hard?

344
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,500
Yes  it got very hard, all the tensions.

345
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:36,480
So on the one hand you are playing with money
on a high level, in which you can't afford to make mistakes,

346
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:44,520
otherwise everything falls down at once
your entire business is ruined, everybody involved, including yourself.

347
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,500
Then you are really screwed.

348
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:56,520
So that brings a lot of stress, factoring in the resurfacing of a conscience,

349
00:33:56,540 --> 00:33:59,540
I was warned off when I got into this.

350
00:33:59,540 --> 00:34:03,480
Don't do it if you can't put your conscience at -100 degrees in the freezer.

351
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,080
And you probably realized that then?

352
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:10,500
Yes I heard myself laugh at  it back then, but it wasn't a joke at all.

353
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:14,180
I totally did not understand where I really got into.

354
00:34:14,180 --> 00:34:16,420
And your proverbial freezer was switched off?

355
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,480
Broken. I couldn't do it anymore.

356
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:24,540
So I tried to work through it, keep up appearances.

357
00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:29,520
I didn't know how to get out of this, I was trapped as well. Everybody was trapped.

358
00:34:29,540 --> 00:34:33,500
This all let me to crash completely eventually

359
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,540
My body just simply stopped.

360
00:34:36,540 --> 00:34:43,080
The first thing I saw was my mother crying at the Intensive Care.

361
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,760
You ended up at the IC?
-Yeah I really shut down

362
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,780
You had literally crashed?
- Yes. Yes.

363
00:34:50,780 --> 00:34:52,920
And...

364
00:34:54,520 --> 00:35:00,480
at that time I didn't believe in anything, but I can still recall how I saw, from that corner

365
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,480
I was looking down upon myself.

366
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:05,160
You had a near death experience...
-I saw how they were working on me.

367
00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:07,060
Well, you could call it that.

368
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,400
I have seen I am not my body.

369
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,440
I'm 'in' my body, but I am not just my body.

370
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:22,180
I have seen them working on me. And later on,
I've been reluctant to talk about it for a long time.

371
00:35:22,180 --> 00:35:26,500
I really talked about it much later,

372
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:32,480
but when I did, I had researched so many things already and started to believe.

373
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,760
I was starting to better understand the spiritual and the material.

374
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,740
At that point this intense experience got its own place.

375
00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:45,540
The realization that I'm not my body, it's just a vessel.

376
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:53,260
So I lived through all of that but I also needed a long time to recover.

377
00:35:53,260 --> 00:35:55,020
Yes of course.

378
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,560
Yes I was a train wreck. Complete wreck...

379
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:04,160
I was completely burned out. I had crashed, and the body needed a year

380
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,160
to recover.

381
00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:10,480
Because... I...

382
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:20,480
I don't really want to get into it now,
but in those circles I got tortured physically during my exit time.

383
00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:24,500
This was in order to make sure I would never break the contract of secrecy.

384
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:29,540
So I was taken for a certain amount of time.

385
00:36:29,540 --> 00:36:37,500
I was 'treated', all those factors together, just increase the stress I was experiencing

386
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,480
literally running full speed towards my own end.

387
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:47,100
Do you mean abductions, as we call it, or programming?

388
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:54,540
No, they exposed me to certain types of torture

389
00:36:54,540 --> 00:37:02,060
that makes sure you'll never damage anyone in that world.

390
00:37:02,060 --> 00:37:05,520
I didn't realize that back then, so this is all from hindsight.

391
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:16,480
It did all happen that way, so the end
of my first life was so extreme that I couldn't handle it anymore.

392
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,180
I couldn't handle it anymore, in no way.

393
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:27,520
However, my mind power was so strong,
that  it only happened with and to my own body,

394
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,500
That was...well, I didn't know what to do anymore.

395
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,380
There were no options left for me.

396
00:37:35,380 --> 00:37:44,500
So that is why sometimes I think -of course that is not true-
but I wish, like so many colleagues, I had taken the drugs and alcohol route

397
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:46,500
at least my end would have been more gentle.
Because most of them are just dead by now.

398
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,400
at least my end would have been more gentle.
Because most of them are just dead by now.

399
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:56,060
Even though I know there are more strawmen
walking around, there are little still alive whom I knew back then.

400
00:37:56,060 --> 00:37:58,060
Most of them are already gone.

401
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,420
Well I was dead too, but I'm still here.

402
00:38:01,420 --> 00:38:03,220
So you still have something left to do....

403
00:38:03,220 --> 00:38:07,480
Yes, I suppose you could say that.

404
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:15,500
But that is, I can't say in short, since I don't know
how long we have been talking, the world that I found myself in.

405
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:21,660
If you have any specific questions,
then I can answer them, but I had hoped to be more concise.

406
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,680
But I just don't know how.

407
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,520
Well, you have my gratitude for all you have shared.

408
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,200
To me it  is still a very big deal...

409
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,500
( to be continued... )


410
00:39:00,000 --> 00:38:05,000
English subs grabbed from "Real Big Money - Revelations by an insider.English"