[17:15:34] <Lurker69> 7/7 is relevant to /7 pattern (Pattern of /7=948372615)
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[17:16:30] <Lurker69> fu-xi and 343373 came out with this 7/7 thing  https://7a35090f.io/topic/16/irc-cicadasolvers-08-05-2016-user-fu-xi
[17:16:31] <sudosysgen> Oh
[17:16:32] <TaiiwoBot> ^ IRC - #cicadasolvers - 08.05.2016: User Fu-Xi | 7A35090F https://tinyurl.com/gvy6z6l ^
[17:16:51] <Lurker69> that /7 pattern is made out of Digital roots
[17:17:03] <sudosysgen> You mean that when you divide by 7 in base10, the pattern of the decimals is 948372615
[17:17:05] <Lurker69> Dr 1/7 Dr2/7 Dr3/7 ..... Dr 9/7
[17:17:17] <sudosysgen> What is Dr?
[17:17:20] <Lurker69> and result is 948372615
[17:17:32] <sudosysgen> Oh digital roots
[17:17:38] <Lurker69> on 7th place, Dr 7/7 = 6
[17:17:57] <Lurker69> yeah digital root, or mod9 (in base 10) or just adding digits togather
[17:17:58] <brotherBox> i promise you, whatever he's trying to say you could say simpler
[17:18:10] <sudosysgen> brotherBox: Seems so but
[17:18:32] <Lurker69> he is misterious motherfucker, and there is no proof that he isnt just trolling
[17:18:32] <sudosysgen> Sometimes you need to be more complicated in order to communicate more than meets the eye
[17:18:49] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Anyways if his method works then he isn't trolling
[17:19:05] <brotherBox> sudosysgen: almost never
[17:19:06] <sudosysgen> We don't have naything else to do, do we?
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[17:19:21] <sudosysgen> brotherBox: If you want to prepare someone then yes
[17:19:26] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: true, but so far i havent figured how his method works
[17:19:31] <brotherBox> especially that up/down terminology seems meaningless to me
[17:19:48] <sudosysgen> brotherBox: And if he wants us to solve the Liber Primus then yes
[17:20:49] <sudosysgen> the up down terminology is from the shift isn't it
[17:20:59] <sudosysgen> How des he figure out what the shift is?
[17:21:50] <sudosysgen> (1^) 27v 4^ (6^) 10^/19v 17v/12^ 16^ 11v (7v) 1v 1^22v 18v ... Shift
[17:21:58] <sudosysgen> what is the logic behind this fuckery
[17:22:45] <Lurker69> sometimes you have ^/v under one rune which means that both shifts are counted
[17:22:58] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: What is a shift anyways
[17:23:12] <Lurker69> sometimes you have ^ and v across two runes which means you have to add shifts of those two runes togather
[17:23:29] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Yes but what is a shift
[17:23:40] <Lurker69> shift is how much you move in geamtri from ciphered rune to unciphered rune
[17:23:45] <sudosysgen> Oh right
[17:23:48] <sudosysgen> silly me
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[17:24:36] <cs7709> wed
[17:24:42] <sudosysgen> hi cs7709
[17:25:12] <sudosysgen> Well then here is the answer of 7/7 right
[17:25:38] <sudosysgen> 7 divided by 7 is 1
[17:25:45] <sudosysgen> and 1(mod9) is
[17:25:59] <Lurker69> Dr 7/7=6 (in prime division)    and Dr 7/7=1  (in non prime division)  non/prime division is term only he is uisng
[17:27:13] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: What is prime division?
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[17:27:20] <sudosysgen> Google doesn't seem to know
[17:27:39] <Lurker69> 1/7=9 becasue 7 is full reptend prime, meaning that decimals repeting are ptime-1 period long
[17:28:20] <Lurker69> prime divsion is among many other term that only 34 is using, he has alot of theory that google or conventional math doesnt know anything about
[17:28:38] <sudosysgen> And he is the one behind it
[17:28:47] <sudosysgen> And yet I do not understand his concept
[17:29:06] <Lurker69> anyway 1/7= 0.142857 142857 142857 142857...
[17:29:16] <Lurker69> Dr 142857 = 9
[17:29:17] <sudosysgen> Yeah I understand that
[17:29:26] <sudosysgen> So 1/7 is 9
[17:29:36] <sudosysgen> In his crooked division
[17:29:44] <Lurker69> and 142857 is cyclic number, meaning that when you multiply it with 1-6 digits stay the same they just change places
[17:30:14] <sudosysgen> Right
[17:30:31] <sudosysgen> So his 'prime division' is actually just :
[17:30:35] <Desprit> 1-6 cuz /n-1
[17:30:43] <Lurker69> 2/7= 0.2857 142857 142857....   you truncate 142857... away (you can do this only beacuse 7 is full reptend)
[17:30:57] <Desprit> repetition is also 6 digits long
[17:31:07] <sudosysgen> Desprit: Yes
[17:31:12] <Lurker69> Dr 2857= 4
[17:31:23] <sudosysgen> So 2/7 = 4
[17:31:42] <sudosysgen> So you basically do normal division
[17:31:54] <Lurker69> yes ynad if you do same trick for all n/7 you get full pattern 948372615
[17:32:06] <sudosysgen> If add them together?
[17:32:08] <Lurker69> but at 7/7 it doesnt work
[17:32:18] <sudosysgen> Yes it does
[17:32:27] <Lurker69> you have to 'go' to next cycle and do 16/7
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[17:32:57] <sudosysgen> The digital root of 7/7 is 1
[17:33:06] <sudosysgen> It works just as well
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[17:33:14] <sudosysgen> the results are simply unexpected
[17:33:32] <Desprit> lol
[17:33:33] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: What brings you to think that 7/7 is some sort of exception?
[17:33:43] <Lurker69> ill explain
[17:33:45] <Desprit> simple math
[17:33:50] <sudosysgen> Go on
[17:34:29] <Lurker69> non prime pattern for /7 is  483726159      prime pattern for /7 is  948372615     (difference is only in position of 9
[17:34:42] <sudosysgen> right
[17:35:45] <Lurker69> its important with what number you start the pattern, since 7 is full reptend we can do that trunctuation trick and get digital roots of number with never ending decimals
[17:36:23] <Lurker69> if you do that 142857 truntuation you get pattern  948372(1)15
[17:36:34] <Lurker69> (1) beacuase you ger 7/7=1 there
[17:36:41] <sudosysgen> Yes
[17:37:00] <sudosysgen> Which is not 483726159 with the 9 shifted at the start right
[17:37:35] <Lurker69> yeah (1) doesnt fit
[17:37:45] <Lurker69> this is what he told me why
[17:37:46] <Lurker69> [19:45.53] <|343373|> use 16 instead of 7 when you do 7/7
[17:37:59] <Lurker69> 16/7=2.2857142857...
[17:38:05] <cs7709> http://www.70x7.com/70x7meaning.htm
[17:38:05] <TaiiwoBot> ^ The meaning of Seventy Times Seven ^
[17:38:25] <Lurker69> Dr 2.2857 = 6
[17:38:44] <sudosysgen> Yes
[17:39:02] <Lurker69> You can do that beacuse Dr16 = Dr 7 = 7, they are both on same position in cylce
[17:39:21] <Lurker69> same as 25, 34, 43, 52, 61, 70
[17:39:47] <Desprit> do 1/25
[17:39:56] <cs7709> Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
[17:39:58] <sudosysgen> So if two numbers have the same Digital root then the result of the prime division is the same
[17:40:03] <sudosysgen> because
[17:40:38] <sudosysgen> wait a minute
[17:40:48] <Lurker69> yeah not only prime division, normal division and multiplication too
[17:41:01] <Lurker69> that is one of neat properties of digitall roots
[17:41:03] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: You mean their pattern is the same
[17:41:11] <Lurker69> Dr 9*n = Dr n
[17:41:23] <sudosysgen> Yeah of course
[17:41:29] <sudosysgen> because Dr = mod9
[17:41:30] <Lurker69> yeah pattern of /7 /61 /16 /52 are all the same
[17:41:40] <sudosysgen> Because they have the same mod9 right
[17:41:55] <Lurker69> but only /7 has prime divison pattern, other have only normal division one
[17:42:04] <sudosysgen> huh
[17:42:16] <sudosysgen> Because 7 is a full reptend prime right
[17:42:26] <Lurker69> prime divison pattern is possible only with full reptend primes (and half full reptend primes when tehy are emirps)
[17:42:35] <Lurker69> and prime divison pattern always starts with 9
[17:42:56] <sudosysgen> and that the division of a full reptend prime by a number of witch mod(n) does not give
[17:42:59] <sudosysgen> 0
[17:43:12] <sudosysgen> Always gives a cyclical number
[17:43:13] <Lurker69>  /61 is same as /7 since both are full reptend primes
[17:43:16] <sudosysgen> Yes
[17:43:28] <sudosysgen> And they both have the same mod9 or digital root
[17:43:37] <Lurker69> yeah
[17:43:51] <sudosysgen> Do all full reptend prime have the same mod9
[17:43:54] <sudosysgen> Wait
[17:43:56] <sudosysgen> yes they do
[17:44:18] <sudosysgen> in base10 because there is only 1 cyclical number in base10
[17:44:24] <Lurker69> yes all cycli9cal numbers have mod9 = 9 (i am not sure why but they do)
[17:44:25] <Desprit> no
[17:44:38] <sudosysgen> Desprit: ?
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[17:44:53] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Because there is only one cyclical number
[17:44:58] <sudosysgen> That is the reason
[17:45:03] <sudosysgen> in base 10
[17:45:11] <Lurker69> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_number
[17:45:12] <TaiiwoBot> ^ Cyclic number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ^
[17:45:13] <sudosysgen> Unless you allow padding with zeroes
[17:45:45] <Lurker69> 0588235294117647  052631578947368421 0434782608695652173913.. .are all cyclical
[17:46:01] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: That is because you allow padding with zeroes
[17:46:28] <Desprit> full repentant primes do not have the same dr
[17:46:52] <sudosysgen> Desprit: Example?
[17:47:22] <Lurker69> full reptend primes no, but  Dr 1/(full reptend prime) is always 9 in prime division
[17:47:29] <Desprit> 17 19 23 29
[17:47:39] <Desprit> 953
[17:47:43] <sudosysgen> Desprit: But that is not the important part
[17:47:48] <sudosysgen> Oh wait
[17:47:52] <sudosysgen> yeah you are right
[17:48:13] <Desprit> lurker is roght
[17:48:16] <Desprit> right
[17:48:26] <sudosysgen> Which doesn't change that every division with a reptend number will give a variant of the cyclical number
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[17:49:12] <sudosysgen> Desprit: Crash?
[17:49:24] <Desprit> No.
[17:49:33] <sudosysgen> Oh you changed devices
[17:49:37] <sudosysgen> Silly me
[17:49:37] <Desprit> y
[17:49:41] <Desprit> ^^'
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[17:51:12] <sudosysgen> Another neat thing with the Digital roots
[17:51:30] <sudosysgen> The way to find a Dr in a ny given base
[17:51:51] <sudosysgen> is to do mod(base-1)
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[17:52:02] <sudosysgen> Neat
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[17:52:40] <sudosysgen> Well then
[17:53:15] <sudosysgen> And what I understand is the prime division works only if you divide using a full reptend number
[17:53:22] <sudosysgen> right
[17:54:19] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: What are those links you said were the start?
[17:54:26] <sudosysgen> I can't see them anymore
[17:54:46] <Lurker69> this were first metnions of 7/7=? i can find on net
[17:54:58] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Huh
[17:54:59] <Lurker69> <Lurker69> those links are also part of same thing https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17561815/#17564188 http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17688885/#17690822 http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/17660686/#17665990
[17:55:21] <Lurker69> he/they started with this pattern approach in april
[17:55:48] <Lurker69> https://7a35090f.io/topic/16/irc-cicadasolvers-08-05-2016-user-fu-xi this is from #solvers
[17:55:50] <TaiiwoBot> ^ IRC - #cicadasolvers - 08.05.2016: User Fu-Xi | 7A35090F https://tinyurl.com/gvy6z6l ^
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[17:56:30] <sxnwlfkk> weechat
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[17:59:15] <Lurker69> yeah sudosysgen, if you plan to stay on IRC for longer start thinking about getting IRC client
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[17:59:35] <Lurker69> or bouncer, i think CrAzYPiLoT uses one
[17:59:48] <Desprit> Why?
[17:59:54] <Lurker69> https://bnc.fnordserver.net/
[17:59:55] <TaiiwoBot> ^ ZNC - Web Frontend ^
[18:00:03] <Lurker69> this one looks free
[18:00:31] <Lurker69> Desprit: why? its more stable than webchat and you have logs
[18:00:43] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Yeah I have weechat now
[18:00:55] <Desprit> http://www.mirc.com/
[18:00:56] <TaiiwoBot> ^ mIRC: Internet Relay Chat client ^
[18:01:08] <Desprit> I used this one 15 years ago
[18:01:15] <Desprit> when i was hitting on girls through IRC
[18:01:21] <sudosysgen> Desprit: lol
[18:01:26] <sudosysgen> >hitting on girls
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[18:01:28] <sudosysgen> >IRC
[18:01:28] <Lurker69> yeah but i think it  bothers you with "please pay for me " now
[18:01:34] <onon> the usmil uses mirc too
[18:01:42] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: I use weechat you know
[18:01:47] <|343373|> back, what did I miss?
[18:02:07] <sudosysgen> |343373|: Pointless discussion about the properties of prime division
[18:02:16] <Desprit> It's paid ?! lol
[18:02:17] <Lurker69> |343373|: we are trying to explain sudosysgen how patterns work
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[18:02:24] <sudosysgen> Yeah cause i'm dumb
[18:02:49] <sudosysgen> Ok you know what
[18:02:57] <sudosysgen> I found how to access the whole of the chat
[18:02:59] <sudosysgen> sorry
[18:03:18] <sudosysgen> So
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[18:03:34] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Why can you remove cyclical numbers from the prime division?
[18:03:43] <sudosysgen> When you do 2/7 for example
[18:04:10] <Lurker69> sudosysgen: anyway, similar to /7 patterns you have different patterns for every digit diviosion /1 /2 /3 /4 /5 /6 /7 /8 /9 and even multiplication n*1 n*2 n*3.... n*9
[18:04:29] <sudosysgen> Lurker69: Yes I understand that
[18:04:40] <sudosysgen> And also for a single digit of an exponent
[18:04:45] <Lurker69> why we can cut decimals after first occurance of cyclical number? idk, i was told you can do it