CS282 L3 Witness silverscript

CS282 L3 Witness to a Party silverscript  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnhrG5Aaw6U July 29 2017

Transcript
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all right we're here live with the Becks
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Jared and Elizabeth Beck hello good
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to be here yeah having us thanks and
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thanks for coming down to see us it's
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good to be with you
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well Elizabeth has already shown her
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southern hospitality southern with
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southern comfort with the great
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raspberry iced tea that you made me
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thank you very much chef sad so I hope
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you enjoy your tea thank you very much
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so we're here of course for a
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conversation about the Frog lawsuit that
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you guys have the class-action suit
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against the DNC loads of questions I
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think that everybody has George you want
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to kick it off sure I think first of all
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I want to get to know who the Becks are
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you know we are we've been talking for
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like two hours
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well I mean so for those who don't know
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and that's probably a small percentage
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of our audience that doesn't know that
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you know Jared being a harvard-trained
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attorney you know Elizabeth being a Yale
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attorney what happens when somebody
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squeezes the toothpaste in the wrong you
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know in the middle or the end I mean is
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how does that go I mean I just trying to
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establish the back yeah well why don't
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you take that Harvard ok command always
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says I'm sorry
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the man always doesn't start so I tried
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to establish that well you win all the
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family fight right yeah I mean we don't
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you know the thing is is that you don't
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become a lawyer unless you like to talk
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at some level so you know I guess if
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you're at trying if you're asking what
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what's what's a fight like in our
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household I mean you know there's you
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know it it involves a lot of talking yet
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you know you know and it you can go on
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for a long time yeah the long discussion
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played by a very long discussion yes
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points of order and point of law and so
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forth I mean I think I think most
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couples fight
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they just I mean it's an interesting
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question I mean I guess some people sort
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of have rules for resolving fights other
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people I mean you know how do you
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resolve you know you know fights in
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society I mean sometimes you know you
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can you can sue somebody that's a way of
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having a fight you can you know try to
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persuade the person until they agree
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with you I mean I think you know you
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know in our household you know I mean
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there's no there's no rule for choosing
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a winner I mean it you know it's a
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problem with answering my phone so when
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we first got married I am I didn't have
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my phone on me all the time yeah and he
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would call me and it would just go to
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voicemail and it drove him crazy that's
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a good example that's a good exam so
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there's an impasse there so so I would
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find my phone and there would be ten
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calls and three voice messages of
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increasing puffiness the last one is
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this is really not fair I don't know
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where you are this is really
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disrespectful I don't know where you are
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you know I talk about this right but
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that was a long time ago and so now
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right I had to change my personality a
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little bit and I always keep my phone on
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me and I expend some mental energy and
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having my phone around me all the time
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even though it isn't inconvenience to me
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because I know it drives me crazy that's
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a fight that I won yeah that's all
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that's a good example of a fight that I
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won I mean you know I'm going to make
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the effort to always pick up and
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sometimes when I'm in a bad mood I don't
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want to talk to anyone then I see his
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name pop up and I just don't want to
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talk to anyone because I may be having
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like a bad and you know and now I always
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answer mmm right right but but to be
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fair you know part of that is
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you know I don't you know you know III
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you know any party I think I think you
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know what the extent that you had an
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issue like you know you know you know
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having to expend mental energy I try not
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to I try not to abuse the fact that you
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know you have your phone on you
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for whatever reason I forget to answer
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the phone he doesn't leave like angry
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messages you're getting you can resolve
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this so fight I won okay go ahead let's
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do that okay
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miami-dade garbage shows up Thursday
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morning and Monday morning and Jared
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will always forget to take out the
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garbage and it drove me crazy right and
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so yeah we calendar it so we know we put
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it on the it goes on there with all our
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you know legal appointments any that way
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you know right so so so you know it's
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you know you you find a solution which
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is that you know it's it's not that I
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don't love you it's that you know I you
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know have a problem you know remembering
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things like that or maybe you know if
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it's not in the matrix of things I need
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to do like you know conference call or
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you know brief deadline or deposition
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you know it's got it you know take out
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garbage you know it's got to be in there
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so I said that deliberately so the
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people have built you up into kind of
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like icons of the civil rights and all
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kinds of justice and freedom and I and I
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and I just want to take us all down a
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notch a little bit yeah and just we're
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all just people just trying right the
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right thing yeah and so I wanted to move
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into you know again a little bit more
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background did you meet when you guys
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are already attorneys Yale in Harvard or
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did you meet ever before
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well we were actually summer associates
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okay and that's basically a a word
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that's used
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in the legal industry too for a person
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that's basically doing a summer
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internship at one of these big firms I
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don't know if they really have these
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anymore because the legal industry the
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bottom is really falling out yeah I mean
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it's it's kind of the old the old us or
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you know you see sort of you know these
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you know in books about Wall Street and
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stuff where they're hiring like you know
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young people right out of college and
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they don't know what they're doing but
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they're being wined and dined because
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they're being recruited
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I mean it's think about that I mean
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that's basically what's happening so you
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know we're not you know I went to
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Harvard Law Elizabeth went to Yale Law
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we came out of Law School and you know
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at the time you know the economy was
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very good law firms were making piles of
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money you know some of 2003 you know off
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the backs of Wall Street and all the
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real estate you know the mortgage-backed
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securities that were going on and so
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they had a lot of money to expend on
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recruiting students out of the top law
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schools and you know we were sort of I
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would say the last law school class that
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was a beneficiary of that before the
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bottom you know fell out of maybe the
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last two or three law school classes
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that because I don't think they do it at
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the same level but they basically you
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know it's you know it's it's a lot of
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you know excess you know spending on
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restaurants and you know just trying to
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you know so we did that in Los Angeles
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where Elizabeth grew up that was where I
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was doing doing my summer associate
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position and it was it's supposed to be
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a two month job interview but it's
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unspoken that you're going to get the
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job after school so it's two months of
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basically non-stop partying yeah you do
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just a little bit of work and partner
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that's designated to keeping you happy
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right there's a there's a lot legal
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partner that's there basically to make
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sure that the summer associates are you
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know
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enjoying their time there I mean it's
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and so you know I didn't you know I came
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from a lower middle-class background I
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mean Elizabeth can talk about her
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background but you know this isn't the
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world we came from you know we went to
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very good schools you know but you know
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both of us went to public schools so
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this was sort of our first you know
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because because I you know I had gone
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from college to law school I'd never you
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know really had you know it you know a
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full-time job before I mean because law
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schools like a three year degree and so
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it was really you know it was a very
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strange environment and that was the
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environment we met in because we were
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both at the same law firm in LA yeah
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they went they had a thing called the
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Rose Bowl party you're Korean
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only speaking mom and your mom speak a
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little bit of English she speaks a
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little bit of English but she um she
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watches she watches a Wheel of Fortune
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to learn English it's not a bad program
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to teach English when you think so it's
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it's very visual I mean they have you
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know common words in there and and some
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challenging ones and you know it's kind
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of fun so I can see how why I always ask
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the questions of you know you Jared I
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mean you know Cornel West you think of
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Civil Rights icon you know at Harvard
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was there anybody like that can you just
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talk about people that you met along the
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way that just moved you in this
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direction of kind of I would consider
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this as a civil rights law even though a
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lot of your cases
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specifically civil-rights they seem to
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be the downtrodden a little bit the
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people or not have representation would
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that be fair to say I think any lawyer
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that gets hired is gets hired by
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somebody without any representation but
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there are those wealthy clients that
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have a team of lawyers right as Yoda
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would say I feel and I feel an imbalance
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of a force it's just there's an
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imbalance so I think for us we just want
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to bring some balance we don't want to
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make it more in balance I mean the fee I
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mean when when George was asking a
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question I thought of all times you've
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told me you know how much you hated your
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law school experience because they
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didn't latch you on to that we wanted to
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work for the corporations because it was
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a good job we don't come from a family
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of lawyers you go there and you just
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want a good job right you have dead you
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go to plumbing school yeah don't forget
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the debt I mean law school it's not
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cheap
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why was ninety thousand in debt we're
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still paying that off but you just come
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out to get a job and if there was
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balance in the force we would have
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stayed at those jobs they were like I
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said they're very cushy yeah there was a
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gross imbalance in the force right but
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but but in terms of you know you know
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people that sort of may have inspired
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you I mean I've never heard you say that
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anything that you inspired you in terms
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of taking you know the route that we you
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may have sensed it but but did anyone
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was there anybody there that you know
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you know like um told me to be a
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plaintiff or inspired well I mean we're
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in a room where I don't know if you
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could see all the movie posters but they
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were basically these iconic movies from
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Hollywood one of my favorites I'm
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looking at right now is to kill a
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mockingbird there's 12 Angry Men
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judgment of Nuremberg I think we've
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mentioned a couple of times Kramer vs
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Kramer the verdict famous movie and of
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course my favorite Joe Pesci yeah yeah
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Vinny you blend and Erin Brockovich so
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we're the movies the thing that just
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made you that could
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actually that could actually be true I
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think I got some of my exposure to the
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legal profession through the movies now
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that I think about yeah like like the
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time you spent the whole summer in
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Indiana yeah so when we opened up our
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law firm in 2007 we had such a tiny
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little office it was just it's oh my god
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and then we did well because we're good
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lawyers we did well in our practice so I
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treated myself to these posters well I
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think you did very well on many criteria
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framing cost so much more than the
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actual posters ridiculous oh that's
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funny yeah I you talk about an imbalance
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in the floor no there you go beards
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frame shop sir whoever my god those
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posters might be like $12 but framing is
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like anyway sorry so now I've talked a
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little bit about you know your
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background in LA and at some point you
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moved to southern Florida here how long
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ago was was that 2005 a year after it
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lost what prompted no your 2006 2006
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sale because you're from upstate New
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York I'm from upstate New York
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so why southern Florida yeah I mean you
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know a lot of things were going on at
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the time my you know my grandfather
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lived down here he passed away a couple
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a couple years ago but he he lived in
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Boca Raton and my parents were in the
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process of moving down here and so you
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know we had that connection to southern
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Florida but the in terms of LA I mean I
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personally had a hard time with LA I
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mean I came to LA you know after
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spending nine years in Boston where you
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know it was frigid you know and I grew
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up in upstate New York so I was no
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stranger to the cold but I was just
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ready for a change I had you know I you
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know before going to law school I had
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spent two years in a ph.d program at her
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bird also thinking I was going to be a
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professor of political science and I did
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two years in that and you know I
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realized that the PhD wasn't for me you
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know that's just the sort of a skillset
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that I realized I didn't have and I
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wanted to do something more practical
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that was outside of the ivory tower so
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to speak and law school you know was a
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good match for what I was interested in
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and that's how I end up in law school
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that's how I ended up becoming a lawyer
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because I actually wanted to practice
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law you know and you know so a lot of
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people they go to these places and they
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have no intention of practicing law and
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I think that's part of the problem I
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mean we get you know you see this again
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and again I mean so many of people
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people in Elizabeth's class at Yale you
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know a number at my class at Harvard
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they came to these schools with no
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intention of actually practicing law
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they just saw it as a prestigious degree
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to get and I didn't really appreciate
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this at the time but sort of seeing
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things in hindsight now you know you
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realize that you know these these
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institutions are supposed to be
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producing lawyers but what they're
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really producing is something else and
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you know
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well there's stamping people with these
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you know Harvard and Yale degrees and
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these people aren't really going out and
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actually practicing law and these are
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supposed to be you know the best lawyers
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in the country and it's and and and the
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ones they do practice law by and large
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they practice for the large corporations
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you know if you go into government but
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in terms of people that actually
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represent actual human beings coming
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from those schools I mean it's a
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virtually you know non-existent you know
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population yes yes so all those years
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doing those cases because you know it's
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like medical school you don't actually
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learn medicine at Lowe's can't learn
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medicine from books thank you so much
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so all those years trained me in dealing
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with clients that has served me well now
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because
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not going crazy all the folks from the
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DNC lawsuit wanting input and updates I
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mean this is just like my other cases on
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steroids I'll get to the you mean the
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large cases yeah working for the
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corporations and stuff no what I'm
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saying is all our years doing beckon
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leave
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oh you mean yeah you mean me yeah yeah
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yeah yeah no we are we I mean yeah yeah
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but what people don't know is that in
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2007 you know we started our firm
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wouldn't with no no clients we know let
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me just you know we had I'll get to it
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no no we had that so you know we had
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spent when we get sick so we get to
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Florida okay we spent you know Elizabeth
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spent a year at a firm in Coconut Grove
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I spent a year and a half at a firm
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called Morgan Lewis which is based in
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Philadelphia but they're sort of one of
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these yeah give a shout out to coffee
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Burlington yeah and and and and and one
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of the nice things about Miami is unlike
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you know and this is another thing about
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people coming out of law schools
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predominantly they predominantly work in
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one of maybe three or four cities New
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York DC Chicago and LA ok San Francisco
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ok so it's like you know five-seat
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everywhere else you know might as well
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not exist in the country as far as
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Harvard and Yale yeah I mean it's like
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but but what what they're missing is the
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fact that our trial tradition in the in
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the u.s. is actually based in large part
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in the south if you think that you know
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all of you know the great history of
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trial lawyers in this country a lot of
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them came from the south they came from
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the Midwest they came from this you know
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part of the country that's really
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denigrated in in other parts of the
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country education yes Brown Drake well
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yes yes of course yeah yeah yeah and and
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well but you know even bet before then
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you go to the Scopes Monkey Trial ok you
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know yeah I mean you have these
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legendary cases and trials that you know
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and and and and you have a real
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tradition down here and and Miami is one
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of those places in South Florida
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so many big trials happen here so it
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proved to be a very good place for us to
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open our own practice we started in 2007
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with two clients which were both pro
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bono gifts from our firm so we were
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literally making you know we had no
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money coming in the door but we yeah I
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mean you can you know you can talk about
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it if you want
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I mean nobody calls us up and says I
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need help I quit I opened up my own
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business and my old boss is hassling
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hassling me because he's now a
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competitor so he walked in not gonna say
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his name walked in cut us a cheque for
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$350 and he said I talked it over with
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my wife and she my whole family agrees
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that I need to get this monkey off my
21:27
back because this boss wouldn't I
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thought you were gonna talk I thought
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you're gonna tell the one about you know
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the woman that wanted to sue rather over
21:41
the loan we tried to make it as scary
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yeah because $350 was like half of the
21:50
office rent and it was a lot of money to
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him but you know you're trying you know
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you you open up a firm there's no
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clients and it was very set it's very
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satisfying when you do that for example
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yeah and you don't get that satisfaction
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you know I mean it's you know it you
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know you're not gonna last in the legal
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profession or possibly any profession
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unless you're actually getting some
22:15
satisfaction and what you're from what
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you're doing I mean that's just a that's
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just a cold truth you know people run up
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against that again and again and you see
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the effects that it has on their lives
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but you know I mean it's that sort of
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the satisfaction that you get is when
22:31
you're able to solve a problem for
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somebody that they feel is sort of you
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know overwhelming took blueberries is
22:45
close to my max why certainly believe
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yeah we take it we've taken some food
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for payment or stuff like that and never
22:53
taken for payment it came gratuitous Lee
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okay that's sort of I guess okay so you
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know so there is a lot of money
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obviously down here in South Florida
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mainly in the real estate right here
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yeah yeah I didn't I didn't I meant
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along the Miami Beach brother and you
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know concentrations of wealth and I
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would imagine there's a lot of real
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estate law that you would have to be
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part of your your practice here oh yeah
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I mean that's how that's how we got
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started because and and you know it was
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just one of these these really strange
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you know coincidences really is that
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when we opened up we opened up our firm
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in the middle of the greatest economic
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recession that this firm seen in a while
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or this country's seen a while and part
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of that was what was known as you know
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the great you know a real estate market
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crash no but let me let me let me
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continue on this because you know you
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know this I mean you know this was kind
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of a very historic moment and yeah I
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think people want to get to know you
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it's sintra spawn civ to George's
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question yeah so if you you know I I
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mean I'm not gonna I won't do that when
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you're talking we interrupt
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we actually so so real estate right big
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power you're going up against usually
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the landlord where it's a trump right
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well what happened was so there was some
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have usually a small client right but
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but this was a very unique point in in
24:41
in South Florida's legal history but it
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had it's it's actually replicated itself
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in the past I mean it wasn't the first
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time this has happened but so part of
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the the the the
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the real-estate market crash here was
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there was there was an oversupply of
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condominiums on the market I mean that
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is you know big business down in South
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Florida condominium developers I mean
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they rule the roost here and so many
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people had invested money into these
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pre-construction condominiums going on
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and they had you know in some cases put
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you know life savings into it 401ks in
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other cases you had just you know you
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know just just large amounts of money
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being moved around you know through
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condo deals and we opened up our firm at
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a time when because the prices had we're
25:41
suddenly dropping in the real estate
25:42
market people were in danger of losing
25:48
their investment and and because they
25:52
the structure of these deals is that you
25:54
put down 20% upfront as a deposit on a
25:58
condominium and then if the thing gets
26:01
built in part with the funds that all
26:03
the buyers of condominiums have put down
26:05
and then you know four years later you
26:08
close on the condominium okay when the
26:10
project's built and they get bank loans
26:12
and that's how they finish it off and so
26:14
the market crash happened in between
26:17
this process the building was an hour
26:21
wasn't up already the buyers had put
26:23
deposits down but the market was
26:27
crashing and so a lot of these investors
26:30
saw that they there was no way they were
26:33
gonna be closing at the prices that they
26:36
had contracted for because the market
26:38
was falling and so they were looking for
26:41
ways to recover what they had already
26:44
put into the project and that's when
26:46
they started calling for lawyers to take
26:48
these cases but guess what you're in
26:50
South Florida most lawyers want to
26:52
represent developers okay so they have
26:53
conflicts they can't take those cases
26:55
secondly you know it's not clear what
26:58
you can do for these people it turns out
27:00
there's a lot of statues and regulations
27:02
that if you know them and you become
27:04
familiar with them you can find
27:06
loopholes and you can get people's money
27:08
back and so that's what we became
27:11
very skilled at advising with is what
27:17
options do I have to recover money in
27:21
this situation and it required a very
27:23
but you know we had no clients at the
27:25
time so it was a perfect opportunity for
27:29
us to be of assistant to a lot of people
27:31
that need a representation because it
27:32
was an under supply of lawyers in this
27:34
in this field so let me just ask one
27:37
more yeah e b5 question yeah or I get
27:40
into the DNC yeah which is a lot of
27:45
things were researching are these eb-5
27:48
visa swear people are coming to the
27:49
country basically saying I have a
27:50
million dollars mm-hmm I want to put it
27:52
into a project did you see a lot of that
27:54
in South Florida we saw a lot of of eb-5
27:58
projects we had involvement in
28:01
litigation involving at least one of
28:03
them but that was definitely a channel
28:05
by which projects were developed so you
28:09
could qualify as an eb-5 and then all of
28:11
a sudden you have all this access to
28:13
foreign money from people that want to
28:16
get visas through the eb-5 money for the
28:20
eb-5 program and so yeah a lot of stuff
28:23
got built up and down the coast through
28:26
eb-5 okay so the more sensitive stuff
28:31
which is something the the presidential
28:35
elections going on last year obviously
28:36
lots of stuff going yeah got back and
28:38
forth back and forth there's problems
28:41
emerge at the DNC there's a Bernie
28:46
faction there's a Hillary faction
28:48
obviously at some point I think it's
28:51
September 2015 in the hue and cry of all
28:55
this the we don't know we didn't notice
28:58
at the time that the FBI approaches and
29:01
calls the DNC and says oh by the way
29:04
you've been hacked they call them one or
29:06
two or three different times before
29:08
December but I think where you guys get
29:10
involved is somewhere in there now can
29:14
you describe who called you or how you
29:16
got involved
29:17
with the dnc hmm yeah I mean we had you
29:21
know Elizabeth you know maybe you want
29:23
to talk about you know how we how we
29:25
started jam-pack but we came in it you
29:28
know first of all you know we were you
29:30
know Bernie supporters yeah I mean that
29:33
was yeah um it was a Bernie crack that
29:41
she was she felt she was feeling the
29:43
Bern really early on I mean because I I
29:46
gotta tell you I mean my political days
29:48
really I mean we just had and I mean I
29:51
would never consider myself you know you
29:54
know before you know I would have never
29:57
considered myself a particularly
29:58
politically active person I mean I had
30:00
you know I you know in college I went
30:02
down to Arkansas first summer to work on
30:04
a campaign finance reform because I
30:06
thought that was a really important
30:07
issue and there was a state ballot
30:09
initiative that was circulated
30:10
circulating in the 90s you know this was
30:13
before citizens united so you could
30:14
actually have campaign finance laws but
30:17
you know after that you know I was
30:20
really you know I was in you know into
30:22
you know our legal practice Elizabeth
30:25
you you know we started paying attention
30:28
to the election because we had a case
30:30
against Donald Trump that's kind of how
30:35
the polls every four years so let's look
30:40
at what my party's yeah so so how did
30:43
the Trump lawsuit if you could explain
30:44
that yeah but and how did that lead
30:46
right to the DA's right because we had
30:48
you know we were I mean I would say you
30:51
know we had experience against Donald
30:53
Trump in litigation we had two trials
30:55
against him you know one in which he
30:58
testify personally when you litigate
31:00
against somebody you get to know them
31:02
and so you were in discovery with the
31:05
trouble we had depositions and we took
31:07
three depositions we did a full two-week
31:10
trial where he testified Elizabeth took
31:14
his testimony and when you have that
31:17
much of a prolonged litigation going
31:22
against somebody you do get to know them
31:24
at a certain level you certainly get to
31:25
know their psychology at some level and
31:28
you know you realize you know and
31:30
it became clear to me that when he you
31:32
know announced that he was gonna seek
31:34
the nomination that he was going to be a
31:36
very very formidable candidate okay
31:38
because you know we watched him at our
31:40
trial okay and this was somebody you
31:43
know we thought we had I mean I still
31:45
believe we had a very very very good
31:46
case against him in that civil case and
31:49
he came out as the victor in that trial
31:53
and in part because he you know
31:56
testifies very well as a witness okay
31:59
and that's there's an overlap between
32:02
the the skills of being a good witness
32:04
and being a good campaigner yeah and I
32:08
think that's what you know the
32:09
mainstream media failed to appreciate
32:12
from the get-go with Trump is that this
32:14
this was you know you know you you you
32:19
know it actually you just have to think
32:20
about it for a little bit and you
32:22
realize that he's actually very
32:24
formidable and he was laughed at you
32:26
know and this was he was a judge it was
32:27
considered a joke I you know as you know
32:30
as Democrats it became clear to us that
32:33
you know you you know to the extent that
32:36
people were wishing for Trump to be the
32:39
opponent you know as you know as
32:41
something good for the Democrats that
32:43
that was you know a stupid wish right
32:46
you know and that was sort of the origin
32:48
of how we got involved and Elizabeth you
32:51
know kind of latched on to Bernie
32:52
because I think I think his I think his
32:55
policy spoke to you I mean I'd never
32:57
disagree on policies clearly I respect
33:01
people who with differing opinions but
33:05
you know you have an election candidate
33:09
with the more votes gets in office and
33:11
if your candidate didn't go in then
33:14
maybe next time they'll go in but you
33:15
kind of go along because those are the
33:17
rules we play by I didn't necessarily
33:19
expect Bernie to win but I thought well
33:21
I like if I'm gonna support him until
33:24
then I read I'm not a very political
33:25
person I think the closest thing I ever
33:27
really got to politics is learning how a
33:29
bill becomes a law from Schoolhouse Rock
33:38
they go into chambers
33:45
they should do more of those so but I
33:48
really and I became a Bernie crackpot
33:50
and I don't mean that derogatorily but I
33:52
have to wear that in which the godly
33:55
because before the elections I got this
33:58
Bernie t-shirt and for good luck I wore
34:01
it every day you know I would call up
34:07
the phone company and if I had an issue
34:09
with the phone company I'd say blah blah
34:12
blah bill bill bill hey have you heard
34:14
of Bernie Sanders right I mean it got to
34:16
the point where she was you know having
34:18
these Bernie phonathon zin our office
34:21
where you know they're called whoa Bern
34:22
Bern Athens or Bernie you know right but
34:31
but I'm you know I'm just getting to the
34:33
how jam-pack started you know I saw this
34:35
happening I was thinking to myself you
34:37
know you know we have a little bit of
34:39
savings maybe we can you know contribute
34:41
more than just you know having people
34:44
over for the foam banks and you know one
34:46
thing we could do because this is at a
34:48
time when you know if you were watching
34:49
the mainstream media you were seeing a
34:52
lot of you know stuff about oh you know
34:53
Bernie's not connecting with Hispanics
34:55
Bernie's not connecting with
34:59
african-americans you know Burton
35:01
Bernie's and we just didn't you know
35:03
that didn't ring true to us I mean
35:04
certainly didn't ring true to Elizabeth
35:06
who was going all around town you know
35:08
with you know to these various events
35:10
and so one thing we thought was well you
35:13
know maybe we can you know put some
35:14
money into making videos that you know
35:17
promote Bernie's message and we can you
35:19
know release them through social media
35:20
and maybe they'll have some impact so we
35:22
we started jam-pack and that was the
35:23
whole purpose of a date February
35:28
February 2016 you know you weren't a
35:31
part of when there was this kind of
35:33
tussle between the Bernie people and the
35:37
Hillary people at the end of 2015 where
35:40
they were accusing each other of
35:42
stealing well yeah so this is let me
35:45
answer let me answer it this way because
35:47
we got to that point after we started
35:50
jam-pack what
35:51
and is that you know because we had I
35:55
wrote an article about this which saw at
35:57
the time which sort of you know sort of
35:59
a I was kind of trying to conceive of
36:01
the super PAC in sort of a different way
36:04
I mean super PAC has this very evil
36:06
connotation you know oh you know super
36:08
PACs of you know you know basically
36:11
that's the vehicle by which money
36:13
controls politics now but you know if
36:15
you if you think about it maybe the
36:17
super PAC can be a force for good you
36:19
know if you use it too you know and kind
36:22
of on the Bernie Model crowdsource you
36:25
know donations small donations and then
36:28
you know put those into crowdsource
36:30
projects and then you know you're sort
36:32
of you know you've got a countervailing
36:35
force to all the big money corporate
36:38
super PACs or labor super PACs or
36:40
whatever they are and so you know this
36:42
is sort of the fun you know sort of a
36:44
kind of an you know maybe we can put
36:46
this idea into practice in this campaign
36:48
tapping into some of the Bernie
36:55
energy-independent right independent
36:58
filmmakers who were also part of the
36:59
Bernie sort of energy going on would say
37:02
hey I've got this project I I know these
37:04
two guys in Wyoming they're Hispanic
37:07
they're doing you know a lot of work for
37:09
Bernie you know maybe make a film about
37:11
them I think would be a great message to
37:14
to counter you know balance against this
37:17
media lie that's going around which is
37:19
that Bernie you know is doing horribly
37:21
with you know Hispanic voters and
37:23
Hillary's got them all locked up yeah
37:29
real quick people in the comments are
37:31
wondering what is Jim yeah Jim stand for
37:35
actually anyway yeah our friend Danny
37:40
DeVito who I went to college with and
37:43
he's a he's a filmmaker he's made some
37:44
documentaries about immigration coming
37:51
through Arizona I think our pile he has
37:56
a really good movie about Joe Arpaio as
37:59
well
37:59
he actually was you know my friend who I
38:04
reached out to when we started jam pack
38:06
and brought him in as sort of the you
38:08
know the media guy like who can you hook
38:10
us up with and how can we push this
38:13
project and he actually put us in touch
38:17
with Nikko house and that's where the
38:20
you know that's the the point in which
38:22
the lawsuit story begins because Nikko
38:25
came into this office in lived here for
38:28
six months or something did he stay with
38:34
his brother oh yeah yeah his brother
38:35
lives here but his but I think he came
38:38
came down here in March of 2016 and he
38:41
had you know Danny had somehow gotten in
38:43
contact with him and he had already
38:45
started speaking about his experiences
38:49
as a Bernie
38:51
volunteer in North Carolina where all
38:54
this stuff was going on that you're
38:55
talking about us about and he was
38:57
brought with in evidence that there had
38:59
been infiltration of the Bernie campaign
39:02
by Hillary people and at that you know
39:04
that's you know when someone comes in
39:06
you know we're lawyers I mean so Josh
39:14
well well he was that he was that you
39:16
know that one of the tech guys for the
39:18
the Bernie campaigns that I think that
39:20
he was involved in that there was there
39:22
was a there was a point at which you
39:25
know they accused Bernie's campaign of
39:27
hacking like the was at the DNC or and
39:30
then they you know they said that
39:32
Uretsky had been recommended to them by
39:35
that it was that he had actually had
39:38
even more micro level stuff from on the
39:41
ground people in you know North Carolina
39:44
who would you know sabotage rallies
39:47
where Bernie would come down there and
39:48
they would make sure that he didn't meet
39:50
with people he was supposed to meet with
39:51
even though this disruption Saul Alinsky
39:54
exactly exactly and and you know I was
39:57
looking at this sort of you know I'm
39:58
wearing my jam-pack hat at the time
40:01
which is you know we're putting out
40:02
contact for Bernie Sanders we're making
40:04
videos you know but you know I've also
40:06
got the lawyer part of my brain thinking
40:09
which is well this is you know
40:10
concerning
40:11
you know I didn't cuz I you know again
40:13
we're political neophytes okay I went to
40:16
I studied politics for a long time in
40:19
school but you know I mean I you know
40:22
like Elizabeth was saying I I mean I I
40:24
believe that the political system was
40:26
the political system you know you have
40:28
election young elections are run
40:29
democratically that's how the primaries
40:31
run and you know already you know you
40:35
know Nikko is bringing you know at this
40:37
point in time and this is well before
40:38
any of the documents you know dropped
40:41
because you know you can't file a
40:43
lawsuit without evidence you can't file
40:45
it based on a suspicion okay somebody
40:47
like Nikko comes into your office we got
40:53
to investigate this how can we turn this
40:55
into more of a video project right but
41:00
then but then Gucci fur you know dropped
41:05
Micucci for documents dropped in June
41:07
and then that changes the entire you
41:10
know vantage point because now you have
41:13
documents no it's not it's not Lolo is
41:17
its doc it's documented primary rigging
41:20
and you have smoking guns coming into
41:24
the public domain and guess what
41:26
nobody's been that really denying their
41:28
authenticity okay
41:29
there's a lot of misdirection about
41:31
where these documents came from and
41:33
whether the Russian fire up the grill
41:59
okay you know this office is right next
42:03
to Costco okay well so just on the the
42:08
parallel tracks cliff Arta Beck I don't
42:12
know if you know I know the name Bob
42:14
Vegas I know I know his name as well
42:16
they initiate
42:18
they're firm as well it's nice to you
42:20
these attorneys let me into their place
42:23
and in Columbus Ohio and he has kind of
42:26
been I would say kind of more like the
42:29
Cornel West of Elections right yeah it
42:33
kind of anytime there's this hanky-panky
42:35
types going stuff going on either
42:37
Republican or Democrat his first one was
42:40
against no so it was the it was the you
42:44
know yeah they well here's the
42:47
interesting thing
42:47
okay so you know we've we've got
42:50
evidence and we haven't even gotten to
42:51
discovery in our case yes okay but we
42:54
have evidence from really sort of on
42:58
many different levels of primary rigging
43:01
I mean we have the documentary evidence
43:02
of collusion that's already come to us
43:05
through Gucci fur and then WikiLeaks we
43:08
have the you know this you know I call
43:14
it the sort of the on-the-ground
43:15
evidence that you know people like Nico
43:17
have of you know infiltration and then
43:21
you know we have please no please just
43:28
just just just you know stop
43:30
interrupting me coke wants to dial and
43:33
he's more than yeah go ahead okay and
43:35
then because I've lost my train of
43:37
thought there there's a lot going on
43:41
with the the different that the
43:43
different levels of evidence have
43:45
already come out and we haven't even
43:46
gotten to discovery yet but the third
43:49
and this gets back to your question is a
43:52
statistical analysis that comes from you
43:56
know the actual where did votes come
43:59
from and whether you know there's
44:02
something you know you know I mean
44:03
because you know how those votes are
44:06
distributed through various you know you
44:10
know the various precincts should obey
44:12
certain statistical laws okay and a lot
44:16
of you know the techniques that have
44:19
found significant you know problems in
44:21
the 2016 election were actually
44:23
developed by people on the Ron Paul side
44:26
yeah I mean it's it's that same you know
44:30
I
44:30
and that all developed in like 2004 yeah
44:33
and you know I think I interviewed cliff
44:35
our Tyvek about this very topic and they
44:38
would say like Karl Rove would never
44:40
even swing a key precinct in Keith's
44:43
precincts is kind of the name of the
44:44
game in this election prediction thing
44:46
and the exit polls about 4% was about
44:50
where he got nervous it's like we can't
44:53
do more than 4% the this election
44:55
changed everything we're 12% was you
44:58
know for openers right right and so
45:01
that's the Edison media research and
45:03
they and they have a lot of statistical
45:05
analysis in their lawsuit but it was
45:07
dismissed and I believe that I want to
45:11
say well it was entered let's see on the
45:15
11th of July because thought the
45:17
greatest told me in his office that he
45:20
had expected to have Seth rich testify
45:22
in his case oh really
45:24
and he had been informed that morning
45:26
that he filed that he was yeah we didn't
45:31
even know whose stuff and rich was at
45:33
the time that we filed our case but yeah
45:37
the case was you can you can check that
45:40
I mean so it's on the jam-pack website
45:42
so yeah well you know I mean maybe
45:45
somebody up or it's like June of 2000 I
45:49
want to say June 2016
45:51
it's a-you preceded the cliff horn aback
45:54
Bob Vegas case in Columbus that was more
45:58
about exit polling but yours was more
46:00
about general practices right general
46:02
June 28 2010 this so what was the key
46:08
key points to your complaint I guess in
46:11
the in your lawsuit it was based on
46:12
Gucci fur it was based on the Gucci for
46:16
documents that you know our documentary
46:21
evidence of the DNC working behind the
46:27
scenes to promote Hillary Clinton when
46:30
the Charter says it's supposed to be
46:31
fair and impartial so and this is
46:33
includes street politics from what you
46:35
got from the eco-house no no the
46:37
complaint is based entirely the
46:39
complaint itself is based entirely that
46:42
that evidence alone is
46:44
enough to state actionable fraud claims
46:46
against the DNA you know do you see that
46:50
doesn't mean that we're not going to
46:51
bring in and other evidence at trial it
46:54
just means that at the time II remember
46:55
we're writing this complaint even before
46:58
WikiLeaks right became and and you know
47:00
when you look at the you know I mean
47:02
Gucci fur was a you know kind of a
47:03
slapdash operation as we all know and it
47:06
you know it's kind of a random you know
47:08
assortment of tag names it's not you
47:10
know full library you know in sequential
47:13
reports of donors right but there's
47:17
there's one memorandum in there that's
47:20
very very damning and you know I think
47:22
it's the mote the closest thing there
47:24
was smoking gun that Gucci fur on its
47:26
own has I mean there's obviously a lot
47:27
of very meaty stuff in the you know the
47:30
Podesta collection and and that's you
47:33
know I mean it we're in an unusual
47:35
position because so much has come out
47:37
even before we're at discovery
47:39
I mean discovered we haven't even gotten
47:41
to the point where we're putting people
47:42
under deposition I think you being a
47:44
trial lawyer and a plaintiff's lawyer
47:46
know that whenever your witness mentions
47:48
something
47:48
it's called opening the door which
47:50
brings it to cross-examination right so
47:53
I'm gonna open the door right discovery
47:55
now right you heard of this tangled up
47:58
in Act
47:59
no no Act Blues have you heard of Act
48:01
blues Act Blues if you heard of this
48:04
company act blue act blue is referenced
48:07
in our complaint you know that's the
48:09
that's the the payment service you know
48:13
that's that's we we we named them as a
48:16
non-party but they you know a lot of
48:20
people well we've not we've not sued
48:23
them as a defendant but we have
48:26
described them and and and denominated
48:30
them in the complaint because there's
48:31
actually a DC consumer protection law
48:34
that I believe is triggered by the role
48:37
of Act blue because anybody who's used
48:40
that service knows that you don't just
48:42
make the donation but they charge you a
48:44
3.9 four percent processing fee so
48:47
literally our you know the class members
48:50
who donated through black blue they're
48:51
literally consumers that have been
48:53
defrauded because they paid three point
48:57
nine percent processing
48:58
he threw at blue in addition to their
49:00
donation now in continuing our line of
49:02
discovery here what if I told you that
49:04
there was hackers now that it by
49:06
identified by Microsoft Corporation and
49:08
attorney and Microsoft that said that by
49:12
adding a nested a domain name of act
49:14
Blues they were successfully hacked and
49:16
that money intended for Bernie Kratz was
49:19
shuffled over to the account of debbie
49:22
Wasserman Schultz Wow well that would be
49:25
interesting if that were true that would
49:27
be extraordinarily interesting that's
49:30
the first I've heard that I got
49:35
something I need to resting no I mean
49:39
look I mean you know that's Wow
49:41
that's incredible yeah so that's
49:43
incredible well we're reconstructing a
49:45
yeah you know it's just one day gets
49:53
gets more depressing than the next
49:55
unfortunately but this is just very
49:57
tangible straight ahead now the second
50:00
thing with with the email right we've
50:03
identified a period between April the
50:05
29th when they've said they were hacked
50:07
to May 5th where all of the systems were
50:11
scrubbed not only the main system the
50:14
NGP van system it's kind of this is the
50:18
first time we've had an online
50:19
documentation of the events Elizabeth
50:22
has her own you know social media yeah
50:25
you know she I mean it's it's I mean
50:27
like like just to maybe you know I'll
50:30
get to your Google I'm questioning a bit
50:32
but you know I mean you know people
50:33
should know that you know we're trying
50:35
to kind of stay sane in this environment
50:38
and I think if we sort of didn't try to
50:41
have some some sort of get some sort of
50:45
enjoyment out of what we were doing I
50:47
mean there's no reason we would be doing
50:48
what we're doing you know and so you
50:50
know because otherwise you can't you
50:52
can't do any job in life you know if
50:55
you're you know no matter how you know
50:58
what's going on
51:05
it's here the gallows it's so much for
51:16
the livestream started we were telling
51:18
dying jokes but you know but but I mean
51:24
social media I mean I mean I know I find
51:26
it very therapeutic yeah I'm in these
51:28
times because you know you don't feel
51:31
like you're alone in this it's it's it
51:33
feels you know like a very lonely
51:35
struggle as it is I mean you know
51:37
there's a lot of cognitive dissonance
51:38
that goes around you know because you
51:40
know I mean you know there are people
51:42
who are very turned into these events
51:44
that are going on and then you go out to
51:46
the street and there are people that you
51:47
know don't know what you're talking
51:49
about
51:49
you know well let me give you a
51:50
heartening a little vignette I've been
51:53
at this 280 days so and change and a day
51:56
too hot
51:57
I live on well I can't use the kindness
52:02
of strangers the kindness is for you
52:04
usually when people live on kindness of
52:06
strangers you don't look like you know I
52:21
think we talked about the sod
52:23
connections and no let me say it again
52:29
okay I was in Hollywood and made a bunch
52:32
of money left Hollywood had a lot of
52:34
expensive camera gear that I've sold
52:35
including very recently we were just
52:37
asked by some friend of George's last
52:39
night did you really sell 3d camera
52:42
equipment we can't believe that but this
52:44
is outside the scope you you don't want
52:45
to get to start getting too posed by her
52:47
though I mean she actually the Trump
52:49
actually is the you know I mean she had
52:52
that
52:55
it's all a bunch of 3d to Australia
53:01
movie most recent but we also have
53:04
sponsors for crowdsource the truth young
53:06
people who generously sponsor the effort
53:13
there you completed actually netted
53:15
several 3d cameras and he's in the
53:17
WikiLeaks lawsuit with Sony so we're a
53:20
monkey that is one reason why I asked
53:32
all the background questions because
53:33
most of the time in social media you
53:35
don't have an opportunity for that right
53:37
just get an appeal right called action I
53:40
need to give right and you know you
53:42
don't know people at a very you know a
53:44
deep level you really don't know who
53:46
they are I mean I find that like you
53:48
know you can have very you know abrasive
53:52
even caustic interactions with people on
53:55
social media who you've never met and
53:57
then you meet them in person and you
53:59
know again it's like this cognitive
54:00
dissonance that's going on because it's
54:02
almost like you're living in a separate
54:03
world and everything that's been said in
54:06
social media well you know it's it's
54:08
it's you know not quite the same as an
54:11
in-person interaction and it's not
54:12
that's why I think live-streaming you
54:14
know as the technologies become so much
54:17
more prevalent it sort of enhances the
54:20
social media experience because people
54:22
can get to you know you actually get to
54:24
know the people that you know and you
54:27
know you see such a proliferation of you
54:30
know this is this new media that's going
54:31
on and there seems to be also in in the
54:34
in the media a lost art of conversation
54:36
or a lost art of interview because
54:39
they're people want to know who they're
54:41
giving their money to they want to know
54:43
who theirs if if you're gonna be my
54:45
attorney and I'm gonna you're gonna
54:47
represent me because act blue defrauded
54:49
me or because D&C defrauded me they want
54:52
to trust you and they want to feel like
54:53
they know you right and if you don't
54:55
have flaws right I don't trust you right
54:59
everybody right laws everybody here
55:01
we're not likes listening money or
55:03
anything so we're people don't like me
55:05
know
55:06
at all but you have fifty nine thousand
55:09
people that are in your class action
55:11
loss and no no the cut no no there's no
55:16
no no there's fifty-nine thousand people
55:18
who you know the following the Facebook
55:22
page the the the case itself you know
55:26
has not reached the class certification
55:28
stage yet so the court has to make a
55:30
separate determination but I mean
55:32
there's potentially millions of people
55:34
in this class I mean you think of all
55:35
the people who gave to Bernie Sanders is
55:38
enormous was a 300 million dollar number
55:41
was that just kind of a straw number
55:43
that you throw out throughout their for
55:44
the court or is that more the the the
55:48
number is based on it was I think was
55:52
what a two hundred thirty three million
55:54
whatever the total number of Sanders
55:56
donations was asking for no we are
55:59
actually we're actually yeah because the
56:00
statute I was telling you about that
56:02
connects act blue into the lawsuit you
56:05
know provides for treble damages and
56:07
that's part of why we pled it because
56:09
you know I mean you know you know two
56:12
hundred thirty millions a lot of money
56:14
well you know three times two hundred
56:16
thirty million you're already getting up
56:17
to practically a billion you know that's
56:22
assuming that somebody can pay off as
56:24
judges what blank
56:25
well yeah but but people if you're
56:27
looking at the dancies finances yeah but
56:32
let me tell you something the the debt
56:34
look at the DNC's finances so I mean
56:37
they're they're very on the road to I
56:39
mean they're they're you know they're
56:41
carrying a huge debt load that you're
56:43
not getting donations
56:44
people are gonna donate to a party that
56:46
openly comes into court and says you
56:49
know we can pick whoever we want for the
56:52
nominee I mean I mean why would you why
56:57
would you I mean that's this is what
56:59
people don't get I mean you know the
57:01
donation process you know that's a form
57:04
of political participation in this
57:05
country ever since citizens united I
57:07
mean that's what the Supreme Court told
57:09
us who told us that you know political
57:12
expression is carried out in this
57:14
country in large part through political
57:17
donations not just voting in fact I
57:19
would say
57:20
voting is secondary at hosting times a
57:22
lot of corporations are people too right
57:24
yeah well it did and and and but but but
57:27
but but the point being that so so so at
57:30
the moment it did that it in my view it
57:33
very much opened the doors for the laws
57:36
of fraud to apply to our you know a
57:40
political process because to the extent
57:41
that the political process involves the
57:44
solicitation of money well if you're you
57:47
know behaving fraudulently in order to
57:50
attract that money you're no different
57:51
than any Ponzi scheme any you're no
57:55
different than Bernie Madoff this is
57:56
just a Bernie Madoff of politics that
57:58
we're talking about and I think both
58:00
parties have engaged in it but you know
58:02
politics in some ways it's you know game
58:04
of musical chairs and when the music
58:06
stops you know if you don't have a chair
58:08
if you're the loser well guess what
58:10
you're gonna you know you're gonna be
58:12
paying the piper I think that's the
58:13
position the DNC is in but you know I
58:15
don't you know I I don't know how viable
58:18
they are as an entity to be quite honest
58:21
I think that's an open question at this
58:22
this time so before we move into the
58:24
really tough questions all the softballs
58:26
are done now oh go ahead we take some
58:28
comments from the audience
58:30
sure and the people have been asking if
58:33
you guys sued Donald Trump it's my
58:35
understanding yes that's what I say I
58:43
think for the book if they want to see
58:45
the brown book I think we just want to
58:49
see how thick the binders this show just
58:50
to waive the book at the camera just use
58:53
some of your personal impressions that's
58:54
a trunk you said you got to know him
58:56
very well I think Elizabeth you want to
58:59
talk about I mean last person the last
59:05
person who wanted to talk to me about
59:07
that was some reporter at Bloomberg and
59:08
I hung up on him so I've actually never
59:14
been on the record about about the
59:16
experience I mean Elizabeth had this
59:23
litigant okay great how about talking
59:27
about your impression of the president I
59:30
don't know why people are so damn
59:32
critical he's only been in office
59:33
for six months that's it that's it I
59:36
like that hearing that from someone
59:38
who's dealt with him personally let's
59:41
take a job let's take another question
59:42
well Matt Dodaro wants to know if the
59:47
judge did the judge rule on the motion
59:50
to dismiss by the DNC no no he hasn't
59:53
ruled hasn't rotated or continued it or
59:55
no he's he he at the end of the hearing
59:58
he after thanking all the the litigants
60:02
and the the attorneys he's gonna go
60:04
she's gonna get the case file okay yeah
60:10
hey Elizabeth don't go to the bathroom
60:13
don't go to the mic I actually had a
60:18
professor in law school that did that
60:19
while he was lecturing he actually he
60:23
you know there was like a 15-minute
60:25
break and he actually like like carried
60:27
his mic with JME ta see us back slash DN
60:34
c-- lawsuit you can get all the court
60:38
file documents great then if you google
60:43
if you google the words DN c--
60:45
miscellaneous Doc's you'll go to the
60:48
miscellaneous page the URL is very long
60:50
you know and then you can have the the
60:54
transcript of the April 25th 2017
60:57
hearing on the motion to dismiss you can
61:00
read that yeah and the court has not
61:02
ruled on it yet right
61:04
so I assume you were in the Southern
61:05
District of Florida right file and it's
61:07
a federal lawsuit of federal law say oh
61:10
great so you have to prove another t
61:17
let's get back to the comments I just
61:20
wanted to finish off one piece who is
61:22
that who is the presiding judge judge
61:25
Williams lock in the Fort Lauderdale
61:27
division and you don't want to make an
61:29
ex parte comment about proclivities no
61:34
I've never had a case in front of him so
61:36
I have you know Elizabeth and I don't
61:39
have any prior experience with him no
61:42
there's a lot of information
61:46
but yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so you
61:51
don't have an experience in front of the
61:52
judge no okay in the name one more time
61:55
Oh Williams LOC ZL o CH z l o CH so if
62:01
our crowd wants the the legal eagles out
62:03
there want to get involved and do a
62:04
little a little case research like a
62:09
paralegal might do and forward another
62:11
Jared that'd be interesting there's any
62:13
precedence and case law that relate to I
62:16
guess would be Rico and you know wire
62:19
fraud and you can expect that any judge
62:25
that's been on the federal bench in
62:27
South Florida has had all of those types
62:30
of cases and more I mean and and and and
62:33
been involved and you know very very
62:35
extensive criminal and civil proceedings
62:39
involving fraud you know why your fraud
62:43
criminal syndicates I mean this is South
62:45
Florida I mean this is you know just
62:47
think of it you know Miami in the 1980s
62:49
if you haven't seen you know it's a
62:51
movie called cocaine Cowboys which talks
62:54
about you know and and those led to NASA
62:56
prosecutions you know of all the cartels
62:59
and all of those judges you know you
63:03
know had those cases and you know many
63:05
of those cases you know we're very very
63:06
you know high-profile cases very
63:11
contractor or was that the infiltrator
63:14
last year the movie was done I was but
63:16
the guy was here in South Florida and
63:20
Noriega you know was it was in jail you
63:24
know you know for a while near the
63:26
courthouse
63:26
some people want to know about is this
63:28
order of protection have you filed for
63:30
another order of protection what
63:32
happened well basically you know you
63:37
know our reading of the order is that
63:40
you know you know the court just doesn't
63:43
you know have the resources to provide
63:46
at its disposal to provide protection in
63:50
a situation like this just given the
63:54
number of people that are involved given
63:56
a number of plaintiffs in class member
63:57
and counsel and you know it's really you
64:03
know the resources of the the federal
64:07
judiciary in terms of security are
64:09
really limited to the US Marshal Service
64:11
okay it's really only one agency and
64:13
they're responsible for you know all of
64:16
the the federal courts across the
64:20
country so just imagine that in terms of
64:22
you know all of these proceedings
64:24
involving you know you know you know I
64:27
mean it's it's you know it took to focus
64:30
enough resources on just one case I
64:32
think that that was sort of the holding
64:35
of the order and I in some ways you know
64:36
it's - you know resources are at the
64:42
disposal well you know Elizabeth was the
65:07
one who hired the process server so you
65:11
know she basically you know when you
65:15
serve a complaint you have to hire a
65:17
process server to serve it on the ship
65:19
and Lucas was your process server not
65:21
the part of X process server right oh
65:22
yeah he was our process server that
65:24
served the dnc fraud case and Elizabeth
65:30
contacted a a firm in DC I believe it's
65:34
called one source yes one source process
65:37
the server that they assigned to the
65:41
case was Sean Lucas we did a live stream
65:44
of the serving a process because we
65:47
thought that it might be something that
65:50
the plaintiffs in the case might like to
65:52
see because you know part of you know
65:55
there's you know people you know
65:58
information about our legal system you
66:00
know people I think a lot of it is not
66:02
really understood well by the public you
66:05
know sort of the nuts and bolts
66:09
thank you for your brother you know I
66:12
think I think it's you know not not
66:13
everybody and you know you know is in a
66:17
position where they hire a lawyer or you
66:19
know they go to court and they don't
66:21
really know how the process works and
66:23
you know part of you know okay you know
66:25
the opportunity of doing a case like
66:27
this you know with such a large social
66:30
media following is you know you're in a
66:32
position where you get to educate you
66:35
know people out there who may have never
66:37
you know had a lawsuit or been part of a
66:40
lawsuit yeah I mean they've never hired
66:46
a lawyer before they're not constant
66:48
consumers of legal services of the way
66:50
companies are well you know right right
66:56
so the Shawn Lucas I just follow up on
66:59
that Jason so he I think the filed
67:02
process you you gave it to the server on
67:06
the 28th of June I think the process was
67:08
filed on July 1st if I'm not mistaken
67:10
from the court how do you know that I've
67:12
read the court talk yeah because he went
67:15
to your website docket it's all public
67:17
it's all the dockets are public yeah
67:19
it's amazing what you can find in court
67:21
doctors like well there's a lot of
67:24
people interested in this lawsuit I
67:26
don't want to answer hundreds possibly
67:30
thousands of emails asking what service
67:33
of processes let's just live stream it I
67:36
don't know what's gonna happen maybe
67:37
some guy will run into the bushes that
67:40
sometimes it happens it's like somebody
67:42
shows up with process they know the law
67:44
they're trying to duck yeah yes about
67:47
that I also like people want to know you
67:51
know what is this ANC where is this DNC
67:54
what is the building less why we go in
67:56
for it and it's it's I think it's great
67:59
because it gives a context to what
68:01
people are trying to get their heads
68:03
around this is and so we just what
68:05
service the processes okay you hire
68:07
someone they go and Ricardo Villalba he
68:12
made some films for the Bernie campaign
68:14
for us we love interview you Karl
68:16
Carlos Ricardo Ricardo P Alba new album
68:20
yeah yeah yeah guy who is filming Sean
68:21
holder
68:22
he has some cornice let me tell you
68:24
because he came down for that here he
68:26
was a witness at the first hearing in
68:28
the case he was his family was so
68:34
nervous for him they they flew down with
68:37
him sure right yeah because at the time
68:39
you know you know shot because he came
68:42
down as the witness because we didn't
68:43
have Shawn Lucas okay and this is what's
68:46
this is what people don't appreciate
68:47
this is what people don't was already
68:49
they don't appreciate that Shawn Lucas
68:52
at the time he was found dead was a
68:58
witness in our case okay because yes
69:03
it's a heart because because ordinarily
69:05
the defendant doesn't challenge service
69:07
of process in fact I can't think of
69:09
another case where the first motion that
69:12
the defendant is filed is a motion to
69:14
dismiss the case because the server but
69:17
even though they got the complaint they
69:18
obviously got the complaint the
69:20
complaint was Dillard you can watch the
69:21
video today and see the woman come down
69:23
the elevator you know I think her name
69:25
is Rebecca Harry's you know she picks up
69:27
the complaint Shawn tells her what it's
69:29
for she says can you he asks can you
69:32
receive prostate he says yes we had an
69:35
entire hearing on that and but but was
69:39
on you know but but but I would
69:40
emphasize again he was found dead before
69:44
the hearing happened because and at the
69:47
time the the defendants had a pending
69:51
motion to dismiss the entire case
69:53
because they were alleging that he had
69:56
not properly certain like she wasn't
69:59
authorized to receive the papers
70:02
nobuseri when was that hearing scheduled
70:04
for because he dies August 1st yeah so
70:06
that the hearing whether he the hearing
70:09
was actually wasn't its kid it was
70:10
scheduled after we gave the court notice
70:13
that he had been found dead that's right
70:15
by his girlfriend and we let the court
70:19
know because what we were we were in the
70:22
process of because we got their motion
70:24
and we're like well we have to respond
70:26
to this so ordinarily what you do is you
70:29
get an affidavit from your process
70:31
server you know to rebut the allegation
70:34
you receive a motion
70:35
Smith and then you come on your process
70:38
servers are classified I don't think we
70:39
know we didn't call them we got it we
70:42
got a a men I remember getting up the
70:44
you know I'm sitting in the office and I
70:46
got a message on my Facebook account
70:48
from somebody who said Shawn Lucas was
70:51
found dead and I remember you know
70:54
yelling - Elizabeth across the hall
70:56
you know you know our Process Servers
70:59
dead oh my god yeah and they sounded
71:09
very freaked out yeah yes but they
71:11
didn't say oh yes he passed away we're
71:14
very sorry they were freaking out yeah
71:16
well everyone is free but you set the
71:18
rich had already been murdered at this
71:21
right Seth rich died that's what sent
71:23
right of July so remember we were all
71:26
right and you know you know you know
71:28
being on a shit already right and he had
71:31
rubber guy so there was a there was
71:34
Lizzie oh yeah it was like what the heck
71:36
is going on who's you know WikiLeaks you
71:39
know Joan's lawyer his death was
71:41
announced in August even the red died in
71:42
April so it seemed to us you know from
71:48
the perspective of number one you know
71:50
having Seth rich you know which you know
71:52
and and immediately you know they're
71:54
talking about about strawberry and this
71:56
snap but we're like you know people are
71:58
people who are already talking about
72:00
well you know but here's a here's a data
72:03
guy and you know WikiLeaks just dumped a
72:06
whole bunch of stuff I mean you're
72:07
telling me there's a possible connection
72:10
right but but at the time of course you
72:12
know you can't you know people are all
72:17
the people all the people are focused
72:19
they always know I know but at the time
72:22
most people in the country aren't paying
72:24
attention because they're locked in on
72:27
Hillary and Trump because this is after
72:30
the convention and everybody's attention
72:32
is diverted so it's it's a very
72:34
frustrating position to be in because
72:37
you're like nobody cares you know
72:39
nobody's listening to me
72:42
these details and and we'll go back to
72:45
questions but I just did want to say I
72:47
did a lot of research on on Shawn Lucas
72:50
and I went to his home in Silver Spring
72:52
and then I went to the home on 19th
72:53
Street where he supposedly had the four
72:56
different types of which is very odd for
72:59
different types of drugs I think it was
73:00
three was it was reading there were
73:02
three you did you had the email with the
73:05
DC police where they sent you to know
73:11
was cried Tom and then there was
73:16
something with a B yes um somebody had
73:21
mentioned that it was it's an odd yeah
73:23
why would that be part of the panel you
73:26
know it's an odd thing to have in an
73:27
autopsy panel unless you already think
73:30
it's might be there that 19th Street off
73:32
of Dupont Circle there is known as a
73:35
kind of it's almost as like a CIA
73:37
Clubhouse you know it's like oh really
73:39
where all the CIA kids go to have fun on
73:41
Dupont Circle not do public wouldn't
73:43
when they're doing this is where he was
73:44
found
73:45
yeah okay yeah he would lift up in
73:47
Silver Spring north of there so it's a
73:49
little odd right the shadow the
73:50
Watergate Hotel not too far so a lot of
73:53
people are asking guys how they can help
73:55
they can help but not calling me a cons
74:13
it was you know this phone call and
74:29
there's just recently been a link to em
74:31
Ron a Wan it's been speculated that
74:34
Imran O on how do we know that it was
74:43
well we don't that come from this well
74:45
but no but he was apparently the Fox did
74:47
a report with some guy you know some
74:51
commentator who said he had evidence
74:52
that Imran Iran was
74:55
helping Debbie wasserman-schultz with
74:58
technologies including and he meant
75:01
specifically managing voice changing
75:03
yeah so you know that's not big news
75:07
that's actually so that was Fox know you
75:09
the clips out there and that was a
75:11
couple days ago
75:20
okay so we're a law firm of two lawyers
75:23
we have one associate attorney and one
75:25
other staff person and my art semi-step
75:28
so the phone rings and it says US
75:31
government I saw that and I didn't say
75:34
it's a US represented it whatever the
75:36
hell is I say us something look
75:37
government II yeah but you put the
75:39
actual she had a friend who used to work
75:45
for the government so called with a
75:47
legal problem and that's the kind of
75:48
thing that pops up lies it's her maybe
75:50
she has another legal problem I'll talk
75:52
to her later so then I talked to Jared
75:54
on my blah blah blah you know you if
75:55
something pops up I bet it so and so and
75:57
he's like no why don't you go figure out
76:00
who that is so I finish up the call with
76:02
Jared and I go into the main room here
76:04
and my step person and my associate
76:07
attorney are like they're chattering
76:08
okay they're talking and I know and
76:12
they're talking in a very excited way
76:13
and I'm like who just called and so my
76:16
assistant tells me it was a very strange
76:19
call somebody called using they
76:23
disguised their voice and so I said well
76:26
how do you know that and she's very
76:27
obvious it was so low I couldn't tell if
76:29
it was a man or a woman hmm and I said
76:34
what did they ask you and well they
76:36
wanted to know everything about the
76:37
lawsuit the first one of the first
76:39
questions were are you the law firm
76:42
involved in the DNC lawsuit and of
76:45
course that's public record so my
76:49
assistant she's awesome
76:50
she says yes and she answers the
76:53
questions if she cannot answer the
76:55
question she won't but she gave them the
76:58
URL all the information that's publicly
77:00
available that we give to all the other
77:02
people who call our offices looking for
77:04
information because we got a lot of
77:05
calls from the public
77:07
yeah
77:07
and the caller ends with Okubo key hangs
77:11
up and I said what and she says she said
77:15
okie dokie so are you sure she says yes
77:18
she's I don't think she didn't know the
77:20
gender she didn't know the founder
77:21
gender it bended the call okey-dokey now
77:28
what what do you attribute that to
77:30
is that something you've heard okay yeah
77:34
yeah I think the world is made up of two
77:37
groups of people those who use okey
77:39
dokey and those who don't
77:45
if somebody can crack the puzzle of
77:48
whether debbie Wasserman Schultz he uses
77:51
that term this is a conversion process
78:07
on YouTube not to mention more than 130
78:11
on periscope we've got Facebook we've
78:13
got the VK Network in Russia people want
78:15
to know if you guys are familiar with
78:17
Chris Cowan the lawyer that's now
78:19
representing him Ron awan in his bank
78:22
fraud it's kind of like put your the I
78:42
mean the word okay has a long origin in
78:45
the US actually I think your old
78:56
Kinderhook I think is what it comes from
78:59
and I think her hook is in well I
79:02
thought it was wasn't yeah right but but
79:08
I thought it had a connection with an
79:09
American campaign at some point the
79:12
comments are exploding
79:39
large very nice that's let's take
79:46
another question sir well it's just so
79:51
let me show my system okay
79:53
she's a shrub could hurt might my
79:55
associate attorney Google the number
79:58
right and they came up to her Abby why
80:00
wouldn't I man into my office and then
80:02
what I did was why was it really so I
80:04
read in my office and I need to know I
80:06
took a photo of the caller ID and then I
80:09
googled it and lo and behold right
80:11
google tells me it's the number for the
80:14
local office for know the Aventura
80:17
office which is of congresswoman debbie
80:21
Wasserman Schultz
80:23
now are you in the 23rd district here
80:25
are you I know
80:27
no she's not our Congress thinking on
80:29
that question isn't that like well no
80:34
that's an interesting no that's an
80:35
interesting question because you know
80:38
stepping outside of the context of this
80:40
of this this case you know where there's
80:43
a lot of ton of legal issues going on
80:45
there's things going on in the courtroom
80:47
things going on outside the courtroom
80:50
you know in a normal litigation you know
80:54
if you get you know some type of weird
80:57
contact from the other side you know and
81:00
it's not from their lawyer but it's you
81:03
know potentially the party trying to
81:05
contact you directly or something of
81:08
that nature you know my feeling I mean
81:10
there's no real guidance on what you do
81:11
but my feeling is that you have an
81:13
obligation to bring it to the court's
81:14
attention because you know you don't
81:17
know what's going on
81:18
you know what what what what would I
81:20
mean you know sitting you know I assume
81:22
it is her well you know now you have it
81:26
forget about the improper you may even
81:28
have a situation where you know I'm just
81:31
thinking outside the context of this
81:32
case but you may have a party that's at
81:34
odds with their lawyers there may be
81:36
information is not being told to them so
81:39
they're trying to get a stick with me I
81:43
mean that and so as a lawyer you know
81:45
you you certainly you know you
81:47
what's improper for you to do is to
81:49
contact a party that you know to be
81:51
represented by counsel but what you
81:54
should do as an officer of the court I
81:55
believe in what we did do was tell the
81:57
court because the court may see you know
82:01
some situation here that has to be dealt
82:04
with and so by doing that and of course
82:05
we also notified the attorneys for the
82:07
other side they filed a response with
82:10
the court which represented that they
82:14
had investigated and then referred the
82:16
matter to the capital police although
82:18
they tried to I think create the picture
82:22
as much as possible that somebody had
82:24
spoofed this number through some
82:27
spoofing software rather than it
82:30
actually having originated from her
82:32
office and they said I believe that you
82:34
know the office is closed for
82:36
renovations and maybe there was
82:39
something else they had checked I mean
82:41
the documents on there but it was sort
82:43
of a you know longest response for such
82:46
a you know discreet incident call that
82:54
office is closed for renovations anyway
82:56
and they refer the matter to Capitol
82:58
Police but the thing is if you have a
83:01
lawyer you are not supposed to talk to
83:03
the lawyer for the other side and we
83:05
certainly don't want it to look like we
83:07
reached out to her in any way right
83:09
right I mean that's another point is you
83:11
can't we can't have ex parte contact
83:14
with their clients so you know if
83:15
somebody you know for instance if I'm
83:17
sitting here and you know the defendant
83:20
in one of my cases shows up at our
83:22
office you know I can't have a
83:24
conversation with them and what I should
83:26
do is bring this to the court's
83:27
attention because there again there may
83:28
be something going on between the lawyer
83:31
and the party that the only the judge
83:33
would know about
83:34
yeah yes shit much needs to be apprised
83:37
of everything yeah so that's why we saw
83:38
that's what you were crossing the T's
83:40
and dotting absolutely absolutely and
83:42
even though it might have seen them
83:43
inconsequential you just played it by
83:45
the book I mean you know I don't you
83:46
know I don't think you can assume
83:47
anything is inconsequential right
83:51
Florida's legal Sunshine Law and are the
83:54
documents there that is oh we do have a
83:57
fairly strong Sunshine Law what does
84:00
that mean oh yeah I believe what it's
84:02
like a state for you type type analog so
84:05
you can't get being chipped away by
84:11
subsequent legislation but I do think we
84:13
have a fairly good yeah butBut yeah
84:15
butBut but in terms of the documents for
84:17
the lawsuit that's all no but but no no
84:19
we we put everything on our website you
84:22
know we have pacer which is what governs
84:25
in the you know you know federal court
84:28
documents but there's a fee that they
84:29
charge and you know it's not you know it
84:32
you know it's not the easiest system to
84:33
use if you don't know a lot about it so
84:37
compelling that I have to come back to
84:39
it for a second people will do the
84:41
compound search of okey dokey and debbie
84:43
Wasserman Schultz and okie-dokie of
84:45
Imran Awad I mean that's already
84:47
happened I can guarantee ya with our
84:48
folks and it is people who are in the
84:52
enforcement business you know 10 dude
84:56
have this kind of these patterns where
84:58
there's they'll say well I hope you have
85:00
a nice life the last thing they say it's
85:03
just kind of a subtle threat it's like
85:04
well you know it wouldn't want to be you
85:07
or FML better watch your back they feel
85:09
they feel the need to verbalize their
85:12
sort of intent towards you
85:13
it's a psychological sort of tell yeah
85:17
there is this this little signature line
85:20
at the end of hey you've been served
85:22
kind of thing you know you're on my list
85:24
or you better watch yourself if you
85:26
you're on notice I know some to turn
85:28
each used to say you're on notice what
85:30
the hell does have me you know so you
85:33
know if there was another phone call and
85:36
we had Imran intimidating three
85:39
different members of the chief
85:42
administrative officers office okay to
85:45
try to lever
85:46
or rights in terms of administrative
85:49
rights for different systems inside the
85:51
on Capitol Hill mm-hmm well I mean we
85:54
saw you know you know everybody can see
85:57
with their own eyes Debbie
85:58
wasserman-schultz talking to the chief
86:00
of the Capitol Schieffer Durazo yeah
86:03
police who incidentally you know they
86:05
had jurisdiction over this particular
86:07
incident I was thinking you know I
86:09
wonder you know because obviously a wand
86:12
was just arrested but I wonder if there
86:14
was some nexus between our making the
86:17
reference to the Capitol Police of this
86:19
incident suddenly they have jurisdiction
86:21
to investigate and you know maybe they
86:27
were the ones that made the arrested oh
86:28
okay I didn't I thought it was the FBI
86:30
but I really Merriman supported the
86:34
arrest but okay FBI usually doesn't do
86:37
the apprehension they usually have DHS
86:39
yeah or TSA okay
86:41
so that's interesting so you know it's
86:43
you know I mean I'm just speculating but
86:45
it's quite conceivable that in the
86:46
course of investigating this particular
86:49
you know call incident you know maybe
86:51
they accumulated and you know something
86:54
to Oh on it might not be spelled out you
86:57
know in the in the in the probable cause
86:59
affidavit but maybe it comes up in
87:02
whatever indictment we get or maybe we
87:04
comes out and whatever leave up is
87:06
seeing but it's kind of one of the
87:07
interesting things about law is that you
87:09
can you know you can file a paper in
87:11
court and it can have these very real
87:13
consequences in the legal system that go
87:16
outside of your case so here we we would
87:19
be filing a court document down here and
87:21
a case gets referred to the Capitol
87:24
Police as a result I mean I can stay
87:34
people keep commenting about is of
87:36
course Imran is big on intimidating
87:39
people he's threatened is I don't think
87:44
I don't think anybody with a name that's
87:46
so portable should be threatening
87:47
anybody
87:57
people want us to get to some of the
87:59
more meteor questions here George I'm
88:01
just saying any kind of conversational
88:04
tell that's all absolutely what's what's
88:07
some of the other things we wanted to
88:09
ask about that we were going over that's
88:11
the hard questions okay you can no
88:17
matter what you ask you're still coming
88:18
over for dinner okay all right so I've
88:22
been reserving that for the comments
88:23
first because I thought I was wearing
88:25
the death comas it's gonna be a Poisson
88:26
stage so the internet was literally
88:40
shocked by your interview with with and
88:48
there was a huge I could just say just
88:52
from the people who watch our show who
88:54
also watched Infowars and which is a
88:56
tangential at best
88:57
we're just they really felt for you and
89:02
they could see that here is a super
89:06
accomplished woman she's a Yale lawyer
89:08
she's got all this great history she's
89:09
taking on these huge you know monsters
89:13
in it and when her what's his name Owen
89:18
yeah but not on try but the murder of
89:23
ever one plus f of zero Oh ever whenever
89:26
wine and I think it was right after that
89:28
he had died and had been found with the
89:31
two gunshot wounds in the in the head
89:34
and then you had you know wax burning
89:37
wax had been run over the lawyer that
89:39
God's Ellis had died Barrington wise
89:43
Nick he's wise aunt yeah he's the guy
89:46
that showed up in Hollywood right on the
89:48
beach or we left all he walks and if I
89:50
Holly wax he's the the lawyer in Miami
89:53
Beach a Jewish guy okay had gotten run
89:55
over so I think it had happened right
89:57
after Klaus ever wine had been
90:00
in town dad when do you remember what
90:02
led up to that interview and can you
90:04
talk about it yeah I can talk about it
90:09
so we were trying to get coverage for
90:14
the DNC lawsuit and Owen Troyer at in
90:18
force contacted Sierra to do an
90:19
interview he did the interview and oh
90:22
and God bless his soul wanted to do a
90:24
follow-up interview but at that point
90:26
she was quite frazzled and he said I
90:29
don't want to do any more interviews
90:30
I mean but but so I said you know what
90:36
I'll do the interview
90:37
so I told Owen jurors not available but
90:40
I'll be available to do a follow-up
90:42
interview so he said ok let me get back
90:44
to you and so he says ok can you do a
90:46
Monday and on whatever the day it was
90:49
and he said can you do it in um in a
90:51
little over an hour and and and I said
90:55
sure anything you want me to talk about
90:59
he says I want to talk about the last
91:01
two dead and so I'm going live in like a
91:08
little over an hour and he one wanted to
91:10
talk about I assume Klaus Eber wine and
91:14
I can't remember his name
91:15
mr. Smith Peter Smith right I don't know
91:19
any anything about these people well
91:21
okay so I guess mr. Eber wine passed
91:24
away seven miles from my office I guess
91:27
I can talk about that so I started off
91:29
with these two folks and I looked at
91:32
some news articles and I guess I saw all
91:37
these interconnections with with with
91:39
what we were doing and a map appeared
91:43
before me and so I said this looks seems
91:48
very complicated I'm gonna have to write
91:50
it down so and I didn't have much time
91:52
so I I wrote down the links that I saw
91:56
on my notes and I would not put a link
92:01
in there unless it could be verified
92:03
independently either through a news
92:04
story or something else okay
92:07
and I ran around I got my little
92:11
microphone set up the same
92:13
and and oh and you know we started the
92:18
interview and so I just read from my
92:22
notes
92:22
those were my notes those were not his
92:24
notes that was a slip of the tongue on
92:25
his part those are my notes and I
92:29
emailed him my notes and I'll give you
92:30
them give them to you too there are like
92:32
three pages and notes but it sounds
92:34
almost like a lawyer's preparation where
92:37
it was it was kind of you know as you
92:39
might go into a deposition you know
92:41
making notes and citations of case lots
92:43
of it didn't seem like it would have had
92:45
that emotional impact and then I as the
92:48
interview kind of goes forward it it it
92:51
did seem to trigger something inside you
92:55
well obviously it triggered something in
93:01
a lot of people so you'd have to ask
93:05
them why they had that response but that
93:11
was that was the hardest interview I've
93:14
ever done in my life
93:14
sure that's why I didn't want to start
93:18
the can we maybe pivot to you know
93:24
brainy blonde not a question but I just
93:27
had someone following for that sure I
93:29
think our viewers want to know that from
93:32
that kind of trough point or low point
93:37
yeah that you have done something to
93:43
come to terms with that and then rebuild
93:46
and and and kind of move on not even
93:49
necessarily rebuild met I'm only taking
93:51
a couple minutes but I didn't do
93:53
anything so what the hell do I need to
93:55
move on for your your I mean it's I
93:59
guess it's I guess it's sort of um you
94:03
know you bring up an interesting point I
94:05
mean you know I think our life right now
94:07
is very uneven okay there will be
94:13
moments I think when just sort of the
94:16
sheer terror that's going on around us
94:21
hits us it hits me more me that's why I
94:25
don't do the damn inner
94:26
like as much as Elizabeth does because I
94:29
don't know like I'm I'm a private person
94:37
yeah I mean but I think like you know
94:41
you know I mean I've certainly had that
94:45
reaction that Elizabeth's had when
94:47
you're like trying to focus on the legal
94:50
it starts out as a legal question and
94:52
then in the course of the investigation
94:54
it becomes a human question and you now
94:58
you're not talking about law anymore
94:59
you're not talking about you know
95:02
connections between abstract you know
95:05
people on some map you know that people
95:08
are trying to figure out what's going on
95:10
but you're actually talking about you
95:11
know Baron to Wiseman who was a friend
95:14
of of someone we know very very well who
95:19
had three kids okay and you know like
95:23
our kids age okay and you're like you
95:29
know what the hell is going on here you
95:32
know and you know yeah I mean you know I
95:35
think most people you know the reason
95:38
that we have sort of you know maybe you
95:41
know part of part of the reason that you
95:45
know we are where we are is because
95:47
people people are having a hard time
95:50
accessing the truth of that they don't
95:53
they want to divert their attention from
95:55
the true horror there I mean you know
95:57
Elizabeth is you know somebody who just
96:00
kind of lets it all hang out so if she's
96:03
not she's not gonna be the type of
96:04
person that says you know give me a
96:06
moment you know I'm having a hard time
96:08
you know right I mean there's a lot of
96:13
crying going on there's a lot of crying
96:16
going on and private there's a lot of
96:17
people that can't sleep we're not having
96:20
a great we're not having a great public
96:22
discussion about it though I mean this
96:24
is this part of what we're doing now is
96:25
a public discussion about it and it
96:28
needs to happen yeah I have people
96:31
telling me I think 9/11 is an inside job
96:35
I cannot talk to my fam
96:37
the about it alright okay whether or not
96:41
it's an inside job I'm not an expert
96:44
I don't do demos I don't know but people
96:47
don't want to talk about it right let's
96:50
move it we have a lot I appreciate you
96:52
guys being so open with us in and even
96:55
allowing us to be here oh my you know I
96:57
mean look I mean we got a lot of we get
97:00
a lot of you know it's gotten to the
97:02
point where and I want to make this this
97:05
point cuz I think well this is an
97:08
important point where you can you can
97:09
wait till you pick up the food though
97:11
okay just let me make this point because
97:13
we we've at because Jason let us take
97:16
you guys discussion now you know I'm
97:24
gonna get off so you know you're a whore
97:25
you're a whore ttle interview partner
97:27
because you actually every time right
97:29
now I'm gonna forget what I was gonna
97:31
say it was the point was we were
97:32
supposed to have a discussion we
97:34
appreciate you having us no I wanted to
97:37
just say from our angle so I mean we've
97:38
gotten a lot you know at least I have I
97:41
know Elizabeth Scott and some you know
97:43
when she went on Infowars we got a lot
97:44
of flack for that we've gotten a lot of
97:46
flack for you know you know what I would
97:49
you know why do you want to talk to
97:50
these guys New York Times just called
97:51
you know George Webb you know crazy
97:53
conspiracy theorist let me know let me
97:55
let me make this point you can make the
97:57
point following up but you know I think
97:59
this is something you know very
98:00
important and I know the reason we're
98:03
getting a lot of flack is because you
98:05
have what you have to understand about
98:06
this lawsuit is that it came from the
98:09
progressive movement it came from people
98:12
that were working for Bernie Sanders
98:15
they were giving their hard-earned money
98:16
to Bernie Sanders you have people that
98:19
were you know homeless people that were
98:20
scraping up a dollar okay or $5 I mean
98:24
you know they're part of the class I
98:25
mean you know I think it's wonderful
98:27
that they at least they have some
98:28
representation but if you you know if
98:30
you can imagine these are you know you
98:34
know people do that give us right right
98:36
I mean this is this is the world we live
98:38
in
98:38
yeah I know and and so you know this is
98:41
but but this is you know they really
98:43
believed in Bernie Sanders and you know
98:45
I you know studied you know politics and
98:48
law for nine years I didn't believe
98:50
elections were rigged okay so I win you
98:53
know the the concept that you know oh
98:56
you know you should have known you know
98:58
before you threw your money in you know
98:59
Bernie Sanders I mean that that doesn't
99:01
fly with me okay but you know the
99:04
progressive movement kind of sees this
99:06
in some ways you know they don't have a
99:08
lot to live for right now in some ways
99:11
okay I mean you know a lot of people
99:13
don't like you know what Bernie did you
99:17
know after the convention endorsed
99:19
Hillary you know I'm not gonna comment
99:20
you know one way or another I'm whether
99:23
he made the right new move I mean that's
99:24
you know Bernie Sanders call but you
99:27
know some people you know you know have
99:30
gotten kind of gotten off the Bernese
99:31
train you know a lot of people you know
99:34
they're you know they may be Trump
99:35
supporters or they're you know more open
99:38
to Trump but a lot of people you know
99:40
they don't really have like a lot to
99:42
hang you know all this energy on that
99:44
was in the progressive movement and you
99:46
know those rallies were enormous okay
99:48
and so this lawsuit has become perhaps
99:50
one of those vehicles and so I think
99:53
it's natural for progressives to feel a
99:57
sort of ownership over the litigation
100:00
you know that this is something some
100:02
ways a progressive project the issue
100:04
though is that you know as a lawyer I'm
100:07
not a progressive or a conservative or
100:09
you know all left or all right or
100:12
whatever I'm a lawyer
100:13
my job is to get justice on these claims
100:17
in court okay it's not about a political
100:20
movement anymore it's about getting
100:22
justice okay and so you know when you're
100:25
doing a lawsuit as a lawyer when you're
100:29
representing clients you are doing
100:31
everything within the law to advance
100:33
your clients claims and so that means
100:35
that I don't care who is coming to
100:39
interview me okay I'm not interested in
100:43
you know you know what you know what
100:47
what type of news they put out really
100:48
what their angle is that's not the
100:50
question that is interesting to me the
100:53
question is it's interesting to me is
100:54
how do we get this lawsuit discussion
100:58
about this lawsuit into the public
100:59
domain
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since you know mainstream media
101:03
it's not gonna talk about it I mean
101:05
they're not they're not talking about
101:06
Avon brothers you know practically
101:09
finally finally but like even then you
101:13
know they're gonna spend all their time
101:14
trying to minimize it is directing and
101:18
misdirect gallon released a pizza game
101:29
right well that's how they're programmed
101:30
I mean they're following you know a
101:32
program they're not you know really
101:35
thinking sentient people that are I mean
101:38
they have like a you know it's it's a
101:39
corporate logic that's imposed okay and
101:43
you know we you know we've learned that
101:45
early on when we were trying to get you
101:48
know some news about what our super PAC
101:50
was doing for Bernie out in the
101:52
mainstream media but there was a
101:53
blackout at that time around anything to
101:55
do with Bernie or to suggest that he had
101:57
you know a growing support in widespread
102:01
support base I mean they just weren't
102:02
showing his rallies on TV so we were
102:04
blacked out then you know on the other
102:06
hand we've been on the other side of the
102:08
blackout you know when you know
102:10
Elizabeth had you know her run-in with
102:12
Trump suddenly everybody's calling her
102:14
flying up to New York I didn't say you
102:20
did no there was a there was a I asked
102:24
for a lunch break right the deponents
102:27
said no I said yes because it was my
102:30
depo and the deponent ran out screaming
102:34
yes sir okay so no there was I was not
102:38
in any state of okay well we don't want
102:40
people to get big way to follow up on
102:43
what you said I think the phrase is Fiat
102:46
Justitia ruat Kingdom I don't know if
102:49
I'm pronouncing it correctly but it
102:51
means let justice be done though the
102:53
heavens fall oh yes so I don't care
102:57
about people's concerns about what's
103:00
gonna happen to the DNC or the
103:02
Democratic Party or the progressive
103:04
movement I don't give a fig cat decaf
103:07
okay you can't it's all about well when
103:11
you're when you're when you're suing a
103:12
company for fraud could be Enron it
103:15
could be the DNC that's not the lawyer
103:17
is concern the lawyers concern is going
103:19
to trial and you know whatever happens
103:22
in the case happens either you go to
103:24
trial and you get a verdict or you know
103:26
there's a settlement at some point and
103:28
the verdict may or may not be
103:29
collectible which is why I'm cranky
103:31
right and you know every day that I look
103:33
at the DNC's balance sheet and I see
103:35
that they've got this growing debt load
103:37
leads me to believe that we might not be
103:39
talking about a viable defendant here
103:41
but that's not you know that's not you
103:44
know you know that's that's that's not
103:47
our concern I think we should take
103:50
another question
103:51
I know those a heavy question yeah and I
103:53
know that it's really thought for but
103:55
just from not knowing you before today I
103:58
think I've seen just this amazing you
104:03
know aplomb if you will just this
104:05
amazing coolness and strength through
104:07
this whole process and then the moment
104:11
you have one moment where yeah we all
104:13
have this because we've all been on
104:14
right under the saul alinsky tactics the
104:18
disruption also you had a little moment
104:21
and then that becomes the moment and I I
104:25
what I got from what you said jared is
104:28
that everybody has this moment's we're
104:29
always like that you're always up and
104:31
down yeah it's we're in an uneven yeah
104:34
but I think we're in an I mean I think I
104:36
mean I think there you know there's a
104:38
war going on in our society yeah I mean
104:40
that's that's what happens during Wars
104:42
people are unsettled ok the war I mean
104:46
it's going on you know I mean how do you
104:49
want to describe it I mean I I think you
104:52
know I think you know it's it's you know
104:54
broadly speaking it's factions of our
104:56
government you know and you know what
104:59
may be called is called the deep state
105:01
yeah you know I say it's not right
105:03
versus left it's it's right versus wrong
105:05
right versus wrong
105:07
yeah and that's I simplified but the
105:10
people on the side of the wrong they
105:14
they believe they're in the right so you
105:17
know I think you have to account for
105:18
that even if you're in the struggle to
105:20
kind of understand the struggle you also
105:22
have to understand their motivations you
105:25
know this is you know it's it's like you
105:29
know you know I saw a tweet
105:30
you know actually it was from like
105:32
Chelsea Clinton of all people where she
105:35
said she had just recently read Hana
105:39
rents book on Eichmann in Jerusalem okay
105:44
which it's a very fitting book because
105:46
it's a it's a book about the psychology
105:48
of evil and how does the banality of
105:51
evil that that expression comes from
105:54
that book and you know I think it
105:56
applies to this society what's going on
105:58
yeah I mean there's you know that's
106:00
where you know that's like yeah that's
106:02
where it started right you think evil is
106:04
like a black cave and blood dripping
106:08
yeah but you actually well you learn you
106:15
learn you learn in litigation because
106:17
it's an adversarial profession that you
106:20
you you you look you have to you have to
106:21
like deal with an opponent and in order
106:24
to deal with the opponent you also kind
106:25
of have to understand things from their
106:27
position personified by a person I think
106:32
that's really easy then to tell yourself
106:36
that you can get rid of it by getting
106:37
rid of this person right there is evil
106:39
in all of us right
106:41
I think of the SEIU logo but well my dad
106:50
we okay
106:51
the Teamsters yeah he doesn't work for
106:54
them now you can't say that at dinner
106:57
just an enforcement layer that's all the
106:59
time I think people want us to get too
107:01
brainy blonds question sure about the
107:03
lawyer
107:04
Sussman what was the so it was the firm
107:07
he worked with yeah he works for Perkins
107:09
Cooley Oh obviously the Perkins the
107:11
defense firm no well they their opposing
107:16
counsel in our kid your case not in our
107:20
case but they might be an adjustment
107:22
handles the I believe security issues
107:26
now I might be wrong here but security
107:29
advisory council for the DNC okay and he
107:34
also works for a security issue so it's
107:36
security in terms of you know keeping
107:38
the bad guys out again see and he's a
107:41
lawyer or he's leave so yeah
107:43
and he's in there DC office Perko e DC
107:46
office okay yeah and then also he has
107:50
very strong ties to Shawn Henry Shonda
107:54
Headley is the FBI former FBI guy that
107:57
runs CrowdStrike
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okay crowd strikes the people who might
108:00
come in and do the forensics hacks both
108:03
in 2015 and then 2016 I know there's a
108:07
lot of names and no I know but anyway
108:09
I'm not good with names that the hack
108:11
happens I do a lot of what do you call
108:14
it pneumonic devices so people can
108:16
remember right right right right
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Sussman I don't have a good one person
108:19
yeah you need you use those Sussman like
108:24
shush man only Sussman okay all right
108:27
and what's what's the question about
108:28
Sussman so just the setup is the DNC
108:31
finds they're hacked supposedly on the
108:33
29th of April now there's a whole week
108:36
then that you can characterize the next
108:40
week it's almost like hell week you know
108:41
member in fraternities it's either the
108:44
week of them trying to recover from the
108:46
heck if you believe the day me Daisy
108:48
version of things or it's the week of
108:51
let's sweep everything out of here
108:53
that's evidence not only we're gonna
108:55
remove everything from the servers we're
108:57
gonna remove everything from everybody's
108:58
desk and we're gonna clean the phone
109:00
system out okay to remove all evidence
109:03
of any you know and what month is this
109:07
again this is April 29th - may fit you
109:10
can so CrowdStrike comes in to do a
109:12
forensics on May 5th okay a whole week
109:15
after they are informed on the 29th by
109:18
the FBI or through it through the help
109:20
desk that they've been hacked so why
109:23
would they wait and let's whoever it was
109:26
Russia run around for a week and
109:29
remember this doesn't only affect the nc
109:31
because the DNC is connected to the
109:33
d-triple-c
109:34
I mean I I the analysis I mean I I don't
109:38
you know you know the lawsuit hasn't
109:41
gotten to a stage where you know we have
109:44
to really dig into you know the question
109:47
of you know how did these Gucci for
109:50
documents get into the public domain and
109:54
a lot you know the first time I you know
109:57
came into contact with the words
109:58
CrowdStrike was in connection with I
110:01
mean it's the report they write about
110:03
Gooch refer to saying that it's the
110:06
Russians and then that goes into
110:08
Politico may have gone into the post
110:10
this is like June of 2016
110:12
you know meanwhile you know the actual
110:15
you know I'm sure folks are familiar
110:17
with the analysis of gucchy for to which
110:22
has been done by this guy I think his
110:24
name is Adam Carter that digs in you
110:26
know to the metadata and concludes that
110:29
you know it looks you know off a lot let
110:33
the patterns here suggests very strongly
110:37
that you know this was somebody you know
110:41
on the East Coast you know you know
110:46
putting these documents out so that the
110:49
forensic aters name is Adam Carter or
110:52
Adam Carter is a separate but he has a
110:56
report out there that's really
110:58
interesting reading because it's very
111:00
detailed there's one has the metadata of
111:03
the Microsoft documents it says creator
111:06
of document one Warren flood he
111:15
synthesizes you know all those issues
111:17
and then of course there the there are
111:19
these uh you know fingerprints that look
111:21
like Russian finger prints in the
111:23
document and then he analyzes things
111:25
like you know you know people forget
111:28
that Gucci fur was you know you know you
111:33
know made contact with people so there's
111:35
instances of you know you know I yeah
111:40
yeah so you could yak actually like
111:42
analyze his speech patterns and try to
111:44
find out where he's from he did reduce
111:49
even even there or or the patterns of
111:51
words and sentences you know if there's
111:54
a Russian person writing in English it's
111:56
going to come out different than a
111:57
romanian person writing in English you
112:00
know really sophisticated linguistic
112:02
stuff and you know everything that I've
112:04
seen suggests that this was you know
112:06
somebody on the inside pre-empting what
112:08
they
112:09
was gonna come out WikiLeaks and trying
112:12
to get that Russian narrative planted
112:14
yeah I had a head of time yeah so and
112:17
warned flood right real warned flood is
112:19
very well trained I'm not going to say
112:21
he's a CSIS operative from Canada BQ
112:24
Kant would be imputed him as a CSIS
112:27
operative but I will say he came out of
112:30
the Toronto area school system just a
112:35
tremendous talent in terms of being able
112:38
to use this aerial imaging satellite
112:40
imaging for finding her resources so
112:43
that's why he goes to work for Biden's
112:45
she's a chief technology adviser for
112:47
Jill Biden oh I didn't realize there was
112:49
a Biden connection yeah yeah no people
112:51
forget that there was you know talk of
112:53
Biden entering the race yeah and then
112:56
you know you know the narrative was that
112:58
you know well it was because his his son
113:02
died of brain cancer
113:03
yeah well Biden has one son with the oil
113:08
and gas play in Kosovo and the other one
113:11
Warren is has an oil gas plan Ukraine so
113:14
these these are new trails we never
113:16
can't forget on crowdsourcing truth
113:18
interesting excuse me so the other thing
113:21
that people are asking quite a bit about
113:23
Jared is they want to hear how you feel
113:25
about Robert Parker the police director
113:28
who committed suicide this is the is
113:33
this the guy in Miami yeah this was what
113:37
this this was this was a while ago
113:38
though was it I don't think it was
113:40
recent I thought it was I thought I
113:42
thought I saw an article on that it was
113:44
actually something they have in 2016
113:46
because I haven't I haven't really
113:49
looked into it was 2016 as well okay I
113:51
didn't think that was a that was but
113:53
that doesn't mean that there's no
113:54
significance to the event it's just
113:56
something that you know I mean look I
113:59
mean it's something that I didn't even
114:00
know about until someone sent it 2015
114:04
yeah I mean it's something I didn't even
114:06
know about living living down here with
114:08
all that's been going on so do you know
114:10
what Bernie why Barrington
114:14
why is it might have been working on in
114:17
terms of his what the V says you might
114:19
have any
114:19
clan Asian or no I mean you haven't
114:26
looked at that I mean other than you
114:31
know I can tell you that we were told
114:34
that he had just finished his first
114:39
trial as a US attorney in Florida and he
114:43
had actually worked in the private
114:44
sector before being hired by the US
114:47
Attorney's so I don't know what that
114:49
trial was though but that's all I know
114:51
about him now you had a good friend that
114:53
knew him yeah did they give any
114:56
indication of what is his private
114:59
practice work was like I think his
115:02
private practice was in I want to say
115:05
toxic torts like or large-scale torts so
115:13
you know if you have a contamination
115:15
site you know you have a lot of
115:18
claimants that come in and claim that
115:20
you know by your this company dumping
115:22
chemicals and this river you know all
115:24
these you know property values have been
115:26
harmed or people have come down with you
115:28
know various diseases or you know you
115:31
you know it you know there's also you
115:33
know typically people who handle toxic
115:35
torts also handle a large scale products
115:37
liability cases so you know that kind of
115:40
stuff no no we're totally a civil
115:47
litigation so we represent people when
115:50
they have disputes in you know the civil
115:53
side of the legal system but our our
115:57
co-counsel on the DNC case Conan O'Brien
116:01
actually is also a very experienced
116:04
criminal lawyer in addition to being a
116:06
civil lawyer and he's based in up in
116:08
Fort Lauderdale this has been kind of a
116:17
tour de force interview its wide-ranging
116:21
cover a lot of different topics some of
116:23
them obviously very sensitive and I
116:26
really want to just thank you both you
116:29
know for making so much time of the
116:31
and there will always be things we
116:33
didn't think of yeah and we just like to
116:36
maybe have an open door to come yeah of
116:38
course no I mean I enjoy I think this is
116:43
a very important you know part of what's
116:49
going on today I mean you know the
116:51
extent to which you know I mean we just
116:56
said you know the course of conversation
116:58
that there's a you know there's war
117:00
going on and part of that war is really
117:03
a war for information okay and you know
117:06
I think what a lot of people you know in
117:09
this country and you know and this
117:11
includes people of all you know walks of
117:15
life okay you know you know white collar
117:19
blue collar you know region the country
117:22
you name it I mean I think there's just
117:24
been an information gap between you know
117:31
the state of this society and the state
117:34
of political health in this country and
117:37
you know you know the actual state and
117:40
what people believe the state to be and
117:42
I think that's been furthering it you
117:44
know and you know as somebody who's
117:46
really big only become awakened to the
117:48
reality in the past couple of years you
117:51
know I think you know by and large you
117:54
know you can you can you know kind of
117:55
sit around and theorize about why that
117:58
may be but one of the big factors is you
118:02
know the concentration of media I think
118:04
in the hands of a very few you know
118:07
powerful interests and you know let me
118:10
just finish up here no let me just
118:13
finish up my fit I'm not gonna not too
118:15
much longer but there's some the you
118:19
know the the problem you know is that
118:21
you know and and sort of the for the
118:23
fortunate position we have is that you
118:25
know information is you know so much
118:29
will widely accessible now then it sort
118:31
of was at the height of power of all
118:34
these media companies when I think they
118:35
did their most damage on this population
118:37
in terms of obscuring the truth and we
118:41
can we have the tools at our disposal to
118:43
fight back
118:45
it's an it's a new media phenomenon
118:47
that's you know I mean it I think it you
118:50
know started with the birth of the
118:51
Internet and that the widespread
118:53
adoption it's been gradually you know
118:55
bubbling up I mean when I was in high
118:56
school you know I was he was on those
118:59
early you know bulletin boards you know
119:01
right before the Internet I mean I
119:03
remember doing that and thinking that
119:05
this is really cool and so by the time I
119:07
got to email or a time I got to college
119:10
you know email was big and the internet
119:12
was sort of in full force and you knew
119:15
something really really big was going on
119:17
and a lot of people that you know I went
119:19
to school with and Elizabeth went to
119:21
school with you know I think they they
119:22
chase that all the way out to the west
119:24
coast because that's where all the
119:26
action is but I think now the action is
119:28
kind of coming back into other fields
119:30
like politics and the sort of the true
119:32
force of social media is becoming
119:37
realizable you know through yeah and and
119:39
and we can actually you know fight back
119:41
against these powerful interests in
119:44
media that have been keeping the truth
119:45
from so I see this the whole project
119:47
that you guys do as part of that I know
119:50
that you know we get a lot of you know
119:52
it's like how you know people look the
119:53
media interests are gonna spin whatever
119:56
project is out there in whatever way
119:58
they want I mean I had you know all
120:00
these sort of you know on Twitter all
120:03
these DC types like you know you know
120:07
just just sending me like ridiculous
120:09
hateful tweets about how they hated my
120:12
beard well I'm not that upset about it
120:14
anymore I was upset at the time but it's
120:16
just just like schoolyard bullying okay
120:19
but they live in this bubble okay and
120:21
that's the bubble of sort of the you
120:23
know the the DC and the New York you
120:26
know in the Hollywood elites they're a
120:28
very small you know part no I'm not
120:38
I don't having those parties though for
120:41
the for the recession's dad was Jason's
120:44
you know that was Jason's life we were
120:47
living the Jason Goodman life at the
120:49
time yeah we had a little bit of that
120:51
experience enough to know it's it's not
121:03
there's no you know you know it gets
121:05
back to discussion and nature of evil I
121:07
mean it-it's not like any one person
121:09
that you can point to and say you know
121:11
you're the cause of all this but the
121:12
system's really messed up and its really
121:15
messed up people I think what's what's
121:17
great is to see people contributing in a
121:19
positive way and using the tools at
121:22
their disposal and being so engaged in
121:24
the political discussions in this
121:26
country because I don't remember that
121:28
when I was growing up this being a very
121:29
politically engaged country and I feel I
121:32
definitely feel you know you know that's
121:35
if you're gonna make things better
121:37
that's where it's got to start right you
121:39
know this reminds me very much of Jason
121:42
when he went with Trish I don't know if
121:43
you know Trish from our broadcasts Trish
121:46
to do what I love is meeting famous
121:52
people who know me before I get there
121:55
you watch my stuff or whoever Donald
122:00
Trump before my name anyway Jason was
122:10
meeting the same thing you're talking
122:12
about is one person does have one person
122:15
does have the capability with this new
122:17
technology to make a difference right
122:19
and he was in this meeting with in
122:21
Oxford England and and this was kind of
122:23
Braverman
122:24
yeah you know coming out of the shadows
122:26
after 270 days of hiding basically from
122:30
the Clinton Foundation he was inside
122:32
this hmm
122:33
cracker box palace if you will not - I
122:37
don't know why through the George
122:38
Harrison effort in there but but he's
122:40
like he's trapped it's almost like that
122:42
last scene in 2001 Space Odyssey where
122:45
every door turns into a you know haunted
122:47
house kind of
122:48
you know and he was trying to find a way
122:50
out you know and one of the things he
122:53
talked about was how people could take
122:55
pictures in Haiti of a water project
122:57
that's supposedly the Clintons funding
122:59
and show him directly as the CEO how is
123:02
this project actually going you know
123:04
ever wine
123:05
Bertie ever wine or a class ever wife
123:08
sorry yang was about ready to testify
123:10
and the number he was going to use for
123:14
the amount of money of one dollar given
123:16
to getting to Haiti to the water project
123:18
of the housing project I couldn't
123:21
believe I said five percent I've heard
123:23
things I've quoted I said maybe 20
123:25
percent gets to the person he quoted 0.6
123:28
percent he was about ready to testified
123:31
from the Judiciary Committee of the
123:33
Senate Wow in in the house and in Haiti
123:38
0.6% died two days later two days before
123:41
so there is I know nothing I know you
123:46
know all I'm saying is one person can
123:50
make a difference because one person
123:52
can't get a phone out and go click
123:53
that's the water projects that's going
123:55
down in my town right now right whatever
123:57
you might think right that's the picture
123:59
right well no we have we have we have
124:01
unprecedented potential for transparency
124:05
knowledge is is historically you know
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knowledge is one of those things it's
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one you know I mean one of those things
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that people who are concerned about
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getting and amassing and asserting power
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I mean they control the flow of
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knowledge let's just wrap it up stop
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interrupting Rhonda she hears this like
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me drone constantly so no but it's okay
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we'll survive listen yes sir but but but
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I'm saying one of the thing we're
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talking about the controller knowledge
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okay I mean and you know you know
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WikiLeaks I mean the lesson of WikiLeaks
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is that you know you know look I mean
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WikiLeaks you know I mean
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I guess the stories remains to be
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written but you know for people that
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really know the history of what
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WikiLeaks has done around the world
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I mean before it really you know it's
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you know publication model I think
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started having a real influence on you
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know political outcomes in this country
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you know know that WikiLeaks I mean it's
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already at a level of you know one of
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the great historical moments that's
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going to be up there with Gutenberg
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right I mean in terms of changing the
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way because you know without the
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printing press you don't have the
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Protestant Reformation okay Gutenberg
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Bible I mean it's that it's that
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powerful you're talking about you know
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in you know shaping in in you know and
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and you know close in time to I mean
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that's the other thing it's not like you
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know it took like you know you know
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centuries and centuries and centuries
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for the Protestant Reformation to happen
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it was you know fairly quickly after the
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Gutenberg you know printing press
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started spitting out those Bibles that
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people started have different
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relationship to their religion well you
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know same thing I think with WikiLeaks
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in the sense that people now have a much
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different relationship to you know the
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concept of their you know their
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government their governments and the
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world around them and it remains to be
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seen how that's going to shake out I
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mean hopefully you know as smoothly as
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possible and let's tie them to two great
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concepts that we got today the Gutenberg
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Bible and the and the ability for
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knowledge to change the world along with
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whatever happens but justice happened
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first and then to hell with everything
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else let's leave it there that's good
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well I want to leave you guys with one
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positive well we only got one positive
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comment
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I just haven't wanted to interrupt
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because you guys have been saying a lot
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of great stuff we've had about 1700
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viewers on YouTube live we've had over a
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hundred consistently on periscope which
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was our I think this was our biggest day
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on periscope of course we've got the VK
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network we've got twitch we've got
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Facebook live
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Kevin W in the comments on YouTube was
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saying that
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okie-dokie was found in a WikiLeaks
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email by Jeff Burgin at mail.house.gov
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from debbie Wasserman Schultz's off oh
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great that's fantastic Jeff Burton it
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could work there well two days ago
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yesterday yesterday I did a piece on
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Jeff Burgin Amy Knowles you know this
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this bond ascii guy and then the true
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Poe is her name
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Tracy Poe and these are the four
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insiders that are always surrounding
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Debbie wasserman-schultz none of them
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have debbie Wasserman Schultz's email a
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password for her blackberry for her iPad
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or for her laptop but guess who does we
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have run a wad and and the BlackBerry is
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phoning home with that I want to thank
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the blacks for being so open and
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gracious inviting us into your office
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here on Saturday
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anytime anybody who's been watching us
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around the world thanks so much everyone
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we will see you later tonight
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take care