1:58 AM] NoelleDino: So that first half is exactly how I as a reader saw Charlotte in the demo
[1:58 AM] NoelleDino: I think that's what readers want when they see and like Charlotte's small appearance (and also she's really cute but anyway)
[1:59 AM] NoelleDino: I want Charlotte's story to also be one of taking the risk to let someone in, to have that vulnerable experience with someone else. That's the essence of what I really like about SwT
[2:00 AM] NoelleDino: As for the logistics of "Well Charlotte is literally a murderer" it's hard bc?? I don't actually know too much of this time travel discussion or w.e
[2:02 AM] NoelleDino: Like, even though Char's a bonus route, she still needs the same sense of progression in her character. And I'm still unclear as to who she really is or becomes. What change does Diana ignite in her? How does Diana's touch change her? Because idk, when we meet people that become important to us, we change whether we like it or not, and hopefully it's for the better. I'd really like that salvation for Char.
[2:06 AM] olivinearc: No time travel main route
[2:18 AM] olivinearc: Homeee
[2:18 AM] NoelleDino: Welcome back~ wanna see something that I can't stop laughing at
[2:18 AM] NoelleDino: r/relationships is too good tbh
[2:21 AM] olivinearc: hella
[2:22 AM] NoelleDino:

[2:22 AM] NoelleDino: i'm literally... I'm dead
[2:22 AM] olivinearc: oh god, a horse girl
[2:22 AM] NoelleDino: This poor, poor man
[2:22 AM] olivinearc: dlkfjskdlfsdklfsfsdf
[2:22 AM] olivinearc: g o d
[2:23 AM] NoelleDino: can you even imagine though
[2:24 AM] NoelleDino: horse costumes????
[2:24 AM] NoelleDino: I would, idk I wouldn't be able to take it seriously enough
[2:24 AM] olivinearc: neigh, i can't
[2:24 AM] NoelleDino: AFKjDSGLKH:JKGSESKGD
[2:24 AM] NoelleDino: CHRIST
[2:28 AM] olivinearc: hehe
[2:29 AM] olivinearc: lemme go read the char stuff
[2:29 AM] NoelleDino: cool sounds good
[2:29 AM] olivinearc: oh
[2:29 AM] olivinearc: so that was all about char's route
[2:30 AM] olivinearc: idrc about char's route her main thing rn is the main route
[2:30 AM] NoelleDino: Oooh I see
[2:30 AM] NoelleDino: Well in the main route she's unobtainable so I mean
[2:31 AM] olivinearc: but it's still a matter of making the plot tighter, how and when to introduce char's conflict and just what it is, the dynamic of the two characters, and the pacing and appropriate foreshadowing throughout main route to have her murder of doc not be a random giant aligator moment if we want to go that route, or if we really do want to play that straight
[2:32 AM] NoelleDino: I don't think it would be right out of nowhere
[2:32 AM] NoelleDino: What exactly her conflict is - that's a big deal though lol
[2:32 AM] olivinearc: like, i get the abstracts of what dei wants but how can you execute it, yknow?
[2:33 AM] NoelleDino: Making things a bit more concrete is a good idea, but we're meeting Sunday, right?
[2:33 AM] olivinearc: we met last sunday
[2:33 AM] NoelleDino: Oh for real??
[2:33 AM] NoelleDino: Like yesterday?
[2:33 AM] olivinearc: yea this is when the pastebin happened
[2:33 AM] NoelleDino: Oooooh okay
[2:33 AM] olivinearc: i'm not against more meetings but yea this happened yesterday
[2:34 AM] NoelleDino: No no I understand haha
[2:34 AM] NoelleDino: Okay, what is defined about Char in the Main Route so far?
[2:35 AM] olivinearc: kills doc, paralells to yvonne and di in partic that can go in many diff ways but exist all the same, Currently a loner and the others don't know about her/care about her to remember her presence.
[2:35 AM] olivinearc: hell we don't even know where she lives
[2:36 AM] olivinearc: with stuff like dei suggesting my main doubt is the fact that bc she's such an abstract, and sort of almost comic book sort of angle to her, that a lot of the logistics aren't really considered
[2:36 AM] NoelleDino: "parallels to yvonne and di in partic that can go in many diff ways but exist all the same" Is also pretty vague
[2:36 AM] olivinearc: i didn't know if you wanted an essay or a summary
[2:36 AM] NoelleDino: Oh no no it's not that but just, in a sentence, what is that parallel?
[2:39 AM] olivinearc: char and yv are about the same age while yv is a social butterfly, intentionally malicious, a little childish, but more perceptive than people give her credit for and there's a certain sort of distanced apathy that the afterlife views her with bc she's so good as a "field agent" to make sure that new vampires don't immediately waste away underutilized while she gets the easy connections she wants. she fears death. there's very little that'll stop her goals, she loves sincerely, is a romantic.

char, currently (bc again we can retool A Lot), craves death but doesn't want to go to hell and instead wants salvation. a loner, misled (again, killing people ain't gonna be judged well), at the end of the day lets very little stop her goals, likely on opposing sides of yvonne at various times but in general i figured she was incapacitated willingly for at least a good 1k years if not more
[2:40 AM] olivinearc: diana's got that sort of childishness to her that  can veer edgy at times and i think char could potentially enable that side of her but hmhm
[2:40 AM] olivinearc: i lost my train of thought with their respective paralells but something could be made, i'm sure
[2:41 AM] olivinearc: it's a lil late, non
[2:42 AM] NoelleDino: Yeah definitely. I think Yv and Char are more like foils in that they both have this shared history of... being alive for so long? And while one became this socialite, the other was alone.
[2:42 AM] NoelleDino: Hey like Naruto and Gaara lmao
[2:42 AM] olivinearc: i was joking about it w/ bullet but char would def stan jesus while yv would laugh and sip wine on the roman side as it happened
[2:42 AM] NoelleDino: LOOOL
[2:42 AM] NoelleDino: I can see it lol
[2:43 AM] olivinearc: i do know i don't really want char to be a presence to the others for various reasons
[2:44 AM] olivinearc: she's not entitled to their time and the world doesn't revolve around them
[2:45 AM] NoelleDino: They both have this relationship with isolation and abandonment, and while Yv is practically afraid of that abandonment, Char has accepted it because of her own self-loathing.
[2:45 AM] NoelleDino: Yeah, I mean Char being alone period says a lot, but do you think no one really know her at all?
[2:46 AM] olivinearc: i mean yv and seb might have met her once or twice but they have no reason to care
[2:46 AM] NoelleDino: Hmm yeah
[2:47 AM] olivinearc: that's why i keep going back to the whole making char a liiiiil more human thing
[2:47 AM] olivinearc: instead of literally batman 24/7
[2:47 AM] olivinearc: one big thing that's been a sort of lowkey theme of the game is
[2:47 AM] olivinearc: rewarding proactiveness
[2:48 AM] olivinearc: if we ever do a bad route for di it'd straight up be because she'd be sitting around waiting for the good things to come to her, for the reactions and interactions she wants to just happen without her putting in any real effort or thought about it
[2:48 AM] olivinearc: that's the sort of vibe i'm getting from what is wanted from char
[2:49 AM] NoelleDino: Hmm.. Yeah that makes sense
[2:50 AM] olivinearc: if she gives little then there's little to work with in the main story to show her depth unless we pull a naruto and have her have a dying flashback tragic backstory to have diana ruminate on
[2:50 AM] olivinearc: which can be done, don't get me wrong
[2:50 AM] olivinearc: it has it's own appeal - the abruptness of the idyllicness to something else
[2:51 AM] olivinearc: but also it makes sense in its own way for char to cross a line and still talk with diana bc diana isn't a vampire, bc of some lucky circumstance, because there could be a way to have di not hold the idiot ball while doc eventually withers
[2:51 AM] NoelleDino: How does Char kill doc?
[2:51 AM] NoelleDino: i don't think I actually know this
[2:52 AM] olivinearc: method doesn't rly matter imo, murder's a murder esp when doc's willing to let it happen
[2:53 AM] olivinearc: could still be that doc is the final stretch of the trial, could be after she goes off the deep end, could be that we're not sticking to this plot premise at all bc we don't know if we're retooling or not
[2:53 AM] olivinearc: i do feel though as it stands now that charlotte is everything that swt isn't, whether it's a good or a bad thing
[2:53 AM] olivinearc: you can't look at her and go "wow, even vampires have to go grocery shopping, huh"
[2:54 AM] olivinearc: going back to the comic book thing, there's no sense of humanity or relatability to her bc we only have her abstract. it's all dramatics, all take and no give.
[2:54 AM] olivinearc: can't even cat and mouse if she ain't willing to play, even by accident
[2:54 AM] olivinearc: just to explain my pov of why i have this hesitance with current char
[2:55 AM] olivinearc: the abstract sounds amazing but actually putting it into the story...
[2:55 AM] olivinearc: Hell we could make her an angel idgaf
[2:56 AM] olivinearc: Use her as an exploration of fulfillment after death
[2:56 AM] NoelleDino: Main Route Char feels like the kind of character that needs to be written after the framework and then have the details carefully placed in?
[2:56 AM] olivinearc: Right
[3:06 AM] olivinearc: I think it'll be a fun puzzle that'll take some time but it's manageable