Kingdom Hearts Wiki Roundtable - December 5, 2014

Dec 5th, 2014
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  1. [13:16] <Pea|Japanese> So should we start?
  2. [13:16] <FifteenthMember> oui
  3. [13:16] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yes
  4. [13:16] <Braviaggron> Yes
  5. [13:16] <Neumannz> If you want me to be here for as much of it as possible
  6. [13:17] <Pea|Japanese> So lets start then
  7. [13:17] <Pea|Japanese> Create a "KHWiki:Podcast" page to list all the episodes with links to their magazine issue/forum page so that everything is compiled onto one page.
  8. [13:18] <Neumannz> Not even a question, do it
  9. [13:18] <Pea|Japanese> ^
  10. [13:18] <FifteenthMember> okay
  11. [13:18] <FifteenthMember> That's it, I think
  12. [13:18] <Pea|Japanese> Next, A simple web community akin to Encyclopaediae Pokémonis and Bulbagarden, in which we would tie several Kingdom Hearts communities (wikis, news sites, etc) together. We could call it "The Organization"....
  13. [13:19] <FifteenthMember> Err, I'm not sure how that would work
  14. [13:19] <FifteenthMember> We'd need to host a web domain and make a website
  15. [13:19] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I ran into those communities some time back, so I threw the idea out there.
  16. [13:19] <Neumannz> Would other sites even be interested?
  17. [13:19] <FifteenthMember> And we'd have to get lots of other KH communities on board too and collaborate with them
  18. [13:19] <FifteenthMember> I'm not against it though
  19. [13:20] <FifteenthMember> And do we have someone who can host the website?
  20. [13:21] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I thought that to avoid the issues of hosting, that we'd just require each website to have a section or page on their website to link to the other websites that belong to the community. Until/if ther comes the time that we choose to create/host a website dedicated to the community
  21. [13:22] <FifteenthMember> We have our affiliates already with links to many KH stuff
  22. [13:22] <Pea|Japanese> ^
  23. [13:22] <FifteenthMember> So it's kinda redundant
  24. [13:23] <Neumannz> What would we get out of it?
  25. [13:23] <FifteenthMember> I think it's a plausible idea but only if it's turned into a full-fledged website
  26. [13:23] <Neumannz> ^
  27. [13:24] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ideally, we'd at least get more traffic
  28. [13:25] <FifteenthMember> Hmm, if that's the only benefit
  29. [13:25] <FifteenthMember> I might not be worth the planning/money of making a website
  30. [13:25] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't know if there could be other additional benefits worked into it.
  31. [13:26] <Pea|Japanese> Well we would feel "combined"
  32. [13:26] <Pea|Japanese> But that's it
  33. [13:28] <FifteenthMember> kh unity
  34. [13:28] <FifteenthMember> But yeah
  35. [13:28] <FifteenthMember> I'd say put the idea on hold, until someone is able to create an entire website for it
  36. [13:28] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Alright, then.
  37. [13:29] <Pea|Japanese> Next
  38. [13:29] <Pea|Japanese> Is anything else for the End of Year event needed?
  39. [13:29] <FifteenthMember> oh no
  40. [13:29] <FifteenthMember> I don't think so, as far as I know
  41. [13:29] <FifteenthMember> Me and KSM already used a generator to work out the teams
  42. [13:30] <FifteenthMember> The user trivia contest is running smoothly (btw, i thought of a fact :D )
  43. [13:30] <FifteenthMember> We just need to make sure RN sends his
  44. [13:30] <FifteenthMember> And the design-a-world is a go
  45. [13:30] <FifteenthMember> Anyone have any points to raise?
  46. [13:30] <Pea|Japanese> Nop
  47. [13:31] <FifteenthMember> Alright
  48. [13:31] <FifteenthMember> We move on then
  49. [13:31] <Neumannz> Sweet
  50. [13:31] <Pea|Japanese> Find a way to make Mirage Arena more stable (maybe make it run on a fortnightly basis instead?)
  51. [13:31] <Neumannz> Moving along is good
  52. [13:32] <FifteenthMember> That gives people more time to vote and nominate
  53. [13:32] <FifteenthMember> Because usually we don't have enough nominations to run weekly consistently
  54. [13:32] <FifteenthMember> And also, it's easier on KSM for updating it
  55. [13:32] <Pea|Japanese> That's right
  56. [13:32] * FifteenthMember forgets every week to update it
  57. [13:32] <RikutheBloody> If someone keeps it up, it should be good.
  58. [13:32] <RikutheBloody> I have a lot of ideas in mind.
  59. [13:33] <RikutheBloody> I can also take the job to update it weekly.
  60. [13:33] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> So long as there's at least one nomination, the Mirage Arena tends to run smoothly. People vote weekly, we just don't have anyone nominating.
  61. [13:33] <Pea|Japanese> ^I think so too
  62. [13:35] <FifteenthMember> Well, if people are sure that they have nomination ideas
  63. [13:35] <FifteenthMember> then we can continue to go weekly
  64. [13:35] <RikutheBloody> I'm sure. I'll make it my life :]
  65. [13:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I have an idea, though.
  66. [13:35] <Pea|Japanese> How I miss those days when we have lots of active users...
  67. [13:36] <FifteenthMember> activity spikes at holidays
  68. [13:36] <FifteenthMember> holiday approaches
  69. [13:36] <FifteenthMember> megaproject arise done some good tho xD
  70. [13:36] <RikutheBloody> But not for you.
  71. [13:36] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> That we add an additional category for nominations called "Editor Work", which would consist of work submitted by editors whether for the magazine, the upcoming World design project, etc.
  72. [13:37] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It can't just be any fandom. It has to have existed for the wiki for another purpose first.
  73. [13:37] <FifteenthMember> You mean compare this person's interview with that person's review?
  74. [13:37] <FifteenthMember> and by compare, I mean verse
  75. [13:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah.
  76. [13:38] <FifteenthMember> Err, that could easily go wrong
  77. [13:38] <FifteenthMember> Because people might get upset or offended if they lose
  78. [13:38] <FifteenthMember> We could compare articles perhaps?
  79. [13:38] <FifteenthMember> Sora (article) vs Riku (article)
  80. [13:39] <FifteenthMember> And I could say, I vote Riku's because the story section is written better
  81. [13:39] <FifteenthMember> or whatever
  82. [13:39] <FifteenthMember> It's lame but yeah
  83. [13:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Eh...
  84. [13:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I guess, if you guys want.
  85. [13:40] <Pea|Japanese> No ._.
  86. [13:40] <FifteenthMember> yeah
  87. [13:40] <FifteenthMember> I agree with pea
  88. [13:40] <FifteenthMember> even if the idea came from me xD
  89. [13:40] <Pea|Japanese> >.>
  90. [13:41] <Pea|Japanese> Then I think the MA is fine as it is then
  91. [13:41] <FifteenthMember> aight aight
  92. [13:41] <FifteenthMember> moving on?
  93. [13:41] <Pea|Japanese> Next?
  94. [13:41] <FifteenthMember> OOH
  95. [13:41] <FifteenthMember> Here's an idea
  96. [13:41] <FifteenthMember> Every three months, we can have an award
  97. [13:41] <FifteenthMember> for the person who nominated the most battles that got picked
  98. [13:41] <FifteenthMember> So people feel motivated to nominate
  99. [13:42] <FifteenthMember> You know, cos we can never have enough awards :P
  100. [13:42] <Pea|Japanese> It's not like we have THAT many users that are able to nominate...
  101. [13:42] <FifteenthMember> that's why I say three months
  102. [13:42] <FifteenthMember> Or we could do it every tournament bracket
  103. [13:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Or at the end of the Regular round.
  104. [13:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah
  105. [13:43] <FifteenthMember> Before we go to the joint struggle/second chance
  106. [13:43] <Pea|Japanese> Then I think it's fine
  107. [13:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Each one is supposed to be 16 weeks anyways (four months)
  108. [13:43] <FifteenthMember> Ah
  109. [13:43] <FifteenthMember> That's good then
  110. [13:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We're taking longer because of the lack of nominations on a couple weeks.
  111. [13:43] <FifteenthMember> I think that's a doable idea
  112. [13:43] <FifteenthMember> We just need to make a medal
  113. [13:43] <FifteenthMember> And a name
  114. [13:44] <Pea|Japanese> Then it's settled
  115. [13:44] <FifteenthMember> If I think of a name
  116. [13:44] <FifteenthMember> I shall tell you guys
  117. [13:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> And I can make the medal
  118. [13:45] <FifteenthMember> okay
  119. [13:45] <FifteenthMember> We move on
  120. [13:45] <Pea|Japanese> Advertisement for sending questions to for December's podcast. See this forum for details
  121. [13:45] <Pea|Japanese> DO EET
  122. [13:45] <Neumannz> Yes, please
  123. [13:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I'll advertise on the wiki's Twitter
  124. [13:45] <Pea|Japanese> I'll do on FB
  125. [13:46] <Pea|Japanese> So next
  126. [13:46] <FifteenthMember> we could do a sitenotice too
  127. [13:46] <FifteenthMember> lso
  128. [13:46] <Pea|Japanese> Yeah do that too
  129. [13:46] <FifteenthMember> Also
  130. [13:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah.
  131. [13:46] <FifteenthMember> With the sitenotice, can we remove the stuff about featured content
  132. [13:46] <FifteenthMember> And the technical info part
  133. [13:46] <Pea|Japanese> Nop
  134. [13:46] <FifteenthMember> Cos those are olde
  135. [13:46] <FifteenthMember> *old
  136. [13:47] <Pea|Japanese> Getting Technical Info out is okay I guess
  137. [13:47] <Pea|Japanese> But not Featured Content
  138. [13:47] <Pea|Japanese> Even with it, I still forget to vote ._.
  139. [13:47] <FifteenthMember> The consensus format part was directed at Dream Eater pages, if I remember correctly
  140. [13:47] <FifteenthMember> And that's sorted now
  141. [13:47] <FifteenthMember> I forget about featured content too
  142. [13:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> The End of Year Event stuff will soon be gone, too, so we don't have to worry about it cramming up the site notice
  143. [13:48] <FifteenthMember> But okay
  144. [13:48] <FifteenthMember> We could keep it all
  145. [13:48] <Neumannz> KEEP IT ALLLLLLLLL
  146. [13:48] <Pea|Japanese> Okay :P
  147. [13:49] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We could make the site notice a-la-NIWA or a-la-Square-Enix-Wiki and put it in a colorful collapsible box
  148. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> okay :P
  149. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> Nah
  150. [13:49] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> At least in my experience, that keeps getting my attention
  151. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> I think it's cool how it is
  152. [13:49] <Neumannz> Mock it up, let's take a look at it
  153. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> otherwise bombardment of colour hurts your eyes
  154. [13:49] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, I'll do that
  155. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> yeah, what NZ said
  156. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> Okay
  157. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> Next
  158. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> Clarify the wiki's policy on character renders uploaded/used on wiki articles. What kinds of renders/images can be used, and when/where can they be used. This has increasingly become an issue among several editors on the wiki.
  159. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> (i dunno)
  160. [13:50] <Pea|Japanese> ....What
  161. [13:50] <RikutheBloody> Eternal Nothingness added this crap.
  162. [13:50] <RikutheBloody>
  163. [13:50] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Actually, I added it, because ENX was the second or third person to bring it up
  164. [13:50] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> at least to me
  165. [13:50] <FifteenthMember> Someone explain to me what the problem is
  166. [13:51] <FifteenthMember> I don't know what the policy on renders are
  167. [13:51] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Basically, it's the use of the Organization renders that are labeled (Action Renders)
  168. [13:51] <FifteenthMember> As I see it, we are putting fan-made poses of action renders in the infoboxes
  169. [13:51] <FifteenthMember> Rather than ones that SE put out as officials?
  170. [13:51] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yep
  171. [13:51] <FifteenthMember> Oh
  172. [13:51] <FifteenthMember> i agree with ENX then
  173. [13:51] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> In part 'cuz there really aren't official Action Renders
  174. [13:52] <Pea|Japanese> Ultimania renders?
  175. [13:52] <FifteenthMember> Well, if there aren't official action renders
  176. [13:52] <FifteenthMember> I don't see the problem in using poses we make (as long as they're taken from the game and not put into that pose through photoshop or something)
  177. [13:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> ENX mentioned that we kept keeping them because they were in the Game:-space, which somehow justified the use of non-official renders, since the content on Game:-space is kinda non-official, as well.
  178. [13:53] <Pea|Japanese> Hmm
  179. [13:53] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Which...kinda makes sense...but....
  180. [13:53] <Braviaggron> For Axel, let's take the days action render, temporarily.
  181. [13:53] <Braviaggron> This render is better
  182. [13:53] <FifteenthMember> It justifies the use of non-official renders if there is no official one to use
  183. [13:54] <FifteenthMember> We could use the same render as the Main: space but that's not as interesting
  184. [13:54] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Pea, did you mean that there are official renders in the Ultimania?
  185. [13:54] <FifteenthMember> It's an aesthetic choice, it seems
  186. [13:54] <FifteenthMember> how are the "fan renders" made?
  187. [13:55] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> FM, yeah, it's an aesthetic choice that clashes with the "no-fanart" policy. That's why I wanted to discuss it. 'Cuz I don't know if there's already some policy/standard set in place regarding this.
  188. [13:55] <FifteenthMember> How are the renders made?
  189. [13:55] <Pea|Japanese> I thought there're renders in the Ultimania?
  190. [13:55] <RikutheBloody> I don't really see any complaints.
  191. [13:56] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't think so. I Google searched the Xigbar Action Render, and it's only used on wikis. Not anywhere else.
  192. [13:56] <FifteenthMember> I think it depends on how the fan renders are made
  193. [13:57] <FifteenthMember> Are they photoshopped beyond recognision of the original?
  194. [13:57] <Pea|Japanese> I think this is ripped from the game or something
  195. [13:57] <FifteenthMember> Or are they taken from the game
  196. [13:57] <FifteenthMember> If so, I don't see the problem at all
  197. [13:57] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't think they were photoshopped. They look to good. Like they were fan-posed using other software.
  198. [13:57] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> But I don't know. I wasn't here.
  199. [13:57] <Pea|Japanese> They are ripped from the game by Darkheart
  200. [13:58] <FifteenthMember> If it's from the game, it can't be classed as fanart
  201. [13:58] <FifteenthMember> And since SE didn't hand out any action render themselves
  202. [13:58] <Pea|Japanese> They hand them out with the game
  203. [13:58] <FifteenthMember> I don't see the problem in us going ahead and taking our own action renders from the game
  204. [13:58] <RikutheBloody> I really don't see the big problem. They aren't drawn, or of bad quality.
  205. [13:59] <Pea|Japanese> But this is isn't the "official render" as well
  206. [13:59] <FifteenthMember> Well, we don't claim it to be the "offical render"
  207. [13:59] <FifteenthMember> It's just a second best
  208. [14:00] <FifteenthMember> It's like how screenshots of gameplay may not be "official", given to us my SE
  209. [14:00] <FifteenthMember> but we still use them
  210. [14:00] <FifteenthMember> *by SE
  211. [14:00] <Pea|Japanese> Yeha
  212. [14:00] <Pea|Japanese> Yeah*
  213. [14:00] <FifteenthMember>
  214. [14:00] <FifteenthMember> Example
  215. [14:00] <Pea|Japanese> So we allow the use of these "renders from the game" in Gamespace
  216. [14:01] <FifteenthMember> Yes, if there is no official action render
  217. [14:01] <FifteenthMember> And as long as the alternative renders are still from the game
  218. [14:01] <FifteenthMember> All agreed?
  219. [14:01] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok.
  220. [14:02] <FifteenthMember> Okay
  221. [14:02] <FifteenthMember> Moving on
  222. [14:02] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Pages for individual cutscenes? We have pages for the endings, it only seems right that we go ahead and cover all the ccutscenes. Besides, they're mostly listed in Theater Mode.
  223. [14:02] <FifteenthMember> I say no
  224. [14:02] <Pea|Japanese> I say no
  225. [14:02] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I just realized I forgot to sign that...
  226. [14:02] <FifteenthMember> One because KH and KHII don't have theater modes
  227. [14:02] <FifteenthMember> So we can't name their cutscenes
  228. [14:03] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We'd base ourselves on KHIIFM
  229. [14:03] <Neumannz> Final mixes
  230. [14:03] <FifteenthMember> And two because it seems superficial to have articles for each cutscene
  231. [14:03] <FifteenthMember> When they're already handled well on the Theater Mode page
  232. [14:03] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Eh....not really. KHIIFM isn't covered other than additional cutscenes.
  233. [14:04] <FifteenthMember> The endings have their own pages because they're special cutscenes
  234. [14:05] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Neither is Dream Drop Distance (other than the names listed) or half of Re:COM
  235. [14:05] <FifteenthMember> With normal cutscenes, at most, we should just have pages "List of cutscenes (KHD)", "List of cutscenes (BBS)" etc.
  236. [14:05] <FifteenthMember> So that we don't have to collapse so much information on the theater mode page
  237. [14:05] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> That could work, too.
  238. [14:05] <FifteenthMember> We can just use {{main}} links
  239. [14:06] <FifteenthMember> a page for every individual cutscene just sounds too much
  240. [14:06] <Pea|Japanese> I tihnk lists of cutscenes seem good
  241. [14:06] <FifteenthMember> Some cutscenes are only 11 seconds long so...
  242. [14:06] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Part of the reason is that I need a better way to link the cutscenes where songs play for Project:Music. Just typing "Plays in "Disney Castle" in Kingdom Hearts" without a link or a good link is confusing and incomplete...
  243. [14:07] <FifteenthMember> I thought about linking
  244. [14:07] <FifteenthMember> If we split it into list pages
  245. [14:07] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> And misleading. Is it Disney Castle the world? Or the cutscene? Is there even a "Disney Castle" cutscene?
  246. [14:07] <FifteenthMember> We could use anchor links I guess
  247. [14:07] <FifteenthMember> And a load of redirects
  248. [14:08] <FifteenthMember> For those named cutscenes at least
  249. [14:08] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> If we list the cutscenes, will it be in a table, a collapsible table, or sections?
  250. [14:08] <FifteenthMember> sections
  251. [14:08] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> (If we use sections, we dont' need to anchor link, just redirects)
  252. [14:08] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
  253. [14:09] <FifteenthMember> It'd be sections like Roxas' Diary or something similar
  254. [14:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, that works for me.
  255. [14:09] <FifteenthMember> Alright, so all agreed?
  256. [14:10] <FifteenthMember> Neumannz, thoughts?
  257. [14:10] <Neumannz> We can try it with sections
  258. [14:11] <Neumannz> I think tables would also work, though
  259. [14:11] <FifteenthMember> Tables would work, yes.
  260. [14:11] <Neumannz> The shorter ones would look better as table entries than sections
  261. [14:11] <FifteenthMember> That is true
  262. [14:12] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> The only issue I have with using a table is that we would then need to use the anchor template instead.
  263. [14:12] <FifteenthMember> With longer ones, if you have sections, you can write in paragraphs so it's not a wall-o-text, though
  264. [14:12] <FifteenthMember> It's not too bad
  265. [14:12] <FifteenthMember> Just use the anchor over each cutscene name
  266. [14:13] <FifteenthMember> And #REDIRECT [[List of cutscenes (BBS)#cutscene name]]
  267. [14:13] <FifteenthMember> Hmm
  268. [14:13] <FifteenthMember> Is the majority of cutscenes long or short?
  269. [14:14] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> In Birth by Sleep, they're mostly shorther 'cuz they don't use any events with bubbles.
  270. [14:15] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I think they're mostly longer in the earlier games (KHI, KHII)
  271. [14:15] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't know about Dream Drop Distance.
  272. [14:15] <FifteenthMember> Reading what we have written on the Theater Mode page
  273. [14:15] <FifteenthMember> table seems fine
  274. [14:15] <FifteenthMember> Most summaries are only about three-four lines long
  275. [14:15] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> They're probably even longer with HD 1.5 and 2.5 ReMIX
  276. [14:16] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> At least for 358/2 Days and Re:coded
  277. [14:17] <FifteenthMember> dunno
  278. [14:17] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It's up to you guys.
  279. [14:18] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I personally don't feel it too bad to use sections. But I'm not saying tables are horrible, either.
  280. [14:18] <FifteenthMember> We could try both
  281. [14:18] <FifteenthMember> It's not an issue
  282. [14:20] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, I guess that's it.
  283. [14:20] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
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