Keldeo created the group «ASB mafia»

[4:16:46 PM] Flora:
who do we want to off

[4:16:49 PM] Eifie:
someone boring
 :D?

[4:21:29 PM] Eifie:
the people I am not strongly opposed to killing are: ZM (but still kind of opposed), RNP, Cynder, Superbird omg let's kill Superbird
 also not strongly opposed to killing Stryke. I am strongly opposed to killing everyone else >:(
 I don't think i'm a very good mafia

[5:20:45 PM] Keldeo:
Same lol, I will probably be not posting much since the forums are a pain to access on my laptop
 I'm down to kill Superbird if you all are.

[5:21:01 PM] Flora:
i'm cool w/ that

--- Saturday, November 18, 2017 ---

[11:52:18 AM] Keldeo:
Lol I was thinking about this game since there's nothing to do besides the kill. I feel like setup-wise there is probably a vanilla townie or more likely a third party/terrorist type role, just because none of us have any special abilities and 11’s a lot of townies with power roles for only 3 vanilla mafia... idr how to play mafia though.

[11:52:43 AM] Flora:
It’s been...so long...

[10:31:03 PM] Eifie:
i had a dream that people were claiming all these ridiculously complicated and detailed roles and i was sad because i just wanted to be your friendly neighbourhood redirector
 "if there's any of them that prefer to start with an inactive player, they're not making themselves heard" excuse u MF
 ... oh. I forgot everyone has power roles in tcod games, so 3/14 mafia is not actually as reasonable a number as it is irl.

--- Tuesday, November 21, 2017 ---

[8:22:23 PM] Keldeo:
Alright, who are we gonna kill tonight and who wants to kill them?
 I feel like RNP and Cynder are both in that sweet spot of active enough today to not look like we're going after inactives, but also not so active that they're obvious targets for a doctor.

[10:52:16 PM] Eifie:
but why not look like we're going after inactives?!
 I vote for Stryke.
 don't ask why. I saw the name and was like, that one should die.
 also, I don't want to do any killing, as I am a pacifist.

--- Wednesday, November 22, 2017 ---

[11:50:33 AM] Keldeo:
I’m cool with killing Stryke.
 Flora, do you want to take this one?

[12:08:17 PM] Keldeo:
> Eifie
> but why not look like we're going after inactives?!
I feel like since Flora is like the stereotypical inactive (iirc?) people might get suspicious that we’re /not/ killing her.

[12:08:40 PM] Flora:
I am terrible at being active in mafia, hahah

[3:25:09 PM] Eifie:
maybe we can kill Flora too.
 anyway, I don't think that will be a problem until a couple of days in regardless

--- Thursday, November 23, 2017 ---

[12:14:10 PM] Keldeo:
I had a dream that the kill didn't go through and we thought Stryke was an alien, but at the end of the game it was revealed that everyone was a roleblocker and they had all targeted Flora...

[12:14:28 PM] Flora:
Oh shit I gotta send that in

[8:39:59 PM] Eifie:
why do we keeping having mafia-related dreams

--- Saturday, November 25, 2017 ---

[3:13:52 PM] Eifie:
lol i think we're screwed

[3:13:56 PM] Flora:
rip us

[3:14:29 PM] Eifie:
one of us could counterclaim for lols
 UGH forum mafia sucks. should take a hint from irl mafia and not reveal people's alignments upon death

[3:29:13 PM] Keldeo:
Hahahaha oh man.

[3:29:18 PM] Eifie:
Flora I'm asking Negrek if she lets inforoles be redirected
 if she says yes can I sacrifice you for jokes it would be so funny

[3:29:46 PM] Flora:
feel free lmao

[3:29:52 PM] Eifie:
you would flip mafia and they would believe me it would be hilarious
 and otherwise all 3 of us can die in one fell swoop good times
 keldeo pls sign off on this

[3:30:31 PM] Keldeo:
Go for it

[3:30:41 PM] Eifie:
nya ha!

[5:13:46 PM] Eifie:
inforoles can be redirected yo! here i go!

[5:14:18 PM] Keldeo:
Even if the redirector gambit works, there's always the chance that if we have a living healer they'll protect ILS tomorrow night while he inspects me again, so... you can always, like, try to convince people later that he was bussing me if it doesn't work, I guess.

[5:18:53 PM] Eifie:
shrug
 we were screwed anyway
 I think I'm also up there as an ils target
 and I do not think we should try to kill ILS tonight

[5:19:30 PM] Flora:
agree, definitely

[5:19:32 PM] Eifie:
I wouldn't be surprised if there were two doctors
 so at least one will heal him (maybe we'll be lucky and they both will)
 anyway, whether this fails horribly or not, hopefully it will be fun to watch. go team!

[5:22:24 PM] Eifie:
who /should/ we kill tonight? I promise I will stop fucking around.
 doctors will likely focus on ils so if we do want to take out Kratos, this could be a prime opportunity (they're also confirmed innocent, so we won't be able to get them lynched anyway)

[5:44:57 PM] Keldeo:
I agree Kratos is probably the best choice for night kill tonight.
 re: other people...
I feel like we should keep ZM alive to try to mislynch him later for "trying to fly under the radar."
Gzhoom is playing well for a newbie imo, but he's been echoing a lot of what others are saying, so we could try to cow him into hopping on a suitably justified mislynch bandwagon.
RNP/Cynder are fairly low priority targets, imo, as they haven't been doing much. (RNP might actually be the roleblocker and fishing for lies with his d1 post?)
MF has been more memey than I remember him being, so I'd say he's a low priority target right now too. His semi-aggressive stance on the d1 abstain could be something to exploit later to push /him/ into leading a mislynch. He's also a common doctor target notwithstanding the ILS thing.
Butterfree could become a threat if she continues to get more active. As Kratos mentioned, she's a common doctor target too.
I don't think Sandstone-Shadow looks like anything but town with her not knowing how a lot of the mechanics work, so killing her probably won't give town a lot of information, but it's not a high priority either.
ILS is going to be a big doctor target for the next few nights, so we should hold off on targeting him too.

[5:46:26 PM] Eifie:
I dont think we should underestimate my eternal rival MF!
 also, I think I could get SS supporting me. we're bros and she doesn't play much. heheh!
 that is, if I don't get inspected.
 although actually, I wonder if MF could be a half mafia.
 recently I got vigkilled irl basically for being too obnoxious and it occurred to me that doing stuff for the memes is distracting to the town and thus good for mafia
 please don't be innocent Flora, that would really throw a wrench in my plans

[6:03:37 PM] Flora:
lmao that would be hilarious
 i'm doing that in a future mafia game. double agent.

[6:12:42 PM] Eifie:
maybe i should do the kill tonight
 gdi me and Keldeo are both people that RNP could reasonably target

[7:11:53 PM] Keldeo:
Okay, reading over the thread again I think it’s too dangerous to let RNP live, he’s too suspicious of us and can pseudo-investigate via his role. I feel like Kratos is much less of a threat
 So I guess it’s a coinflip as to who should send the kill... I think he might be less suspicious of you, Eifie, once Flora flips mafia, but also it’s a lot worse for us if you’re revealed to be mafia

[7:12:54 PM] Flora:
yeah, i'm inclined to agree

[7:20:41 PM] Eifie:
I'm okay with killing RNP
 I don't find him nearly as threatening as you seem to, though; but there isn't really anyone else who's an immediate target, so why not

[7:35:08 PM] Keldeo:
I guess I’m just worried that if we leave him alive, at any point in the future he could randomly jail one of us, block the kill, and out whoever he jailed, lynching them and meaning the other person is then powerless to kill anyone since he can just continually roleblock them.
 Also there’s a little less of a chance he interferes with the kill because he can’t jail himself to protect himself, whereas if we killed someone else he could stop it via jailing either the killer or the killee.

[7:47:12 PM] Eifie:
yes, that part is true
 okay, let's kill him!
 ooh, blood...

--- Monday, November 27, 2017 ---

[7:07:20 PM] Keldeo:
Okay, if nothing else is happening today, I can take the kill. I feel like there’s more plausible deniability if he jails me, I could say the mafia was targeting me as a confirmed town or targeting ILS hoping that Superbird or Stryke was the doctor?

[7:52:31 PM] Eifie:
you have not been confirmed town though

[8:00:42 PM] Keldeo:
Yeah, you have a lot more credibility as town after Flora’s flip. I do feel like as mafia we’re way more aware of how town perceives us than we would be as town
 So it wouldn’t be out of character to claim that even if it’s wrong? Idk

[8:03:51 PM] Eifie:
I'm just afraid that you claiming to be confirmed innocent could be perceived as suspicious?

[8:22:02 PM] Keldeo:
That’s true, yeah.

--- Thursday, November 30, 2017 ---

[11:49:32 PM] Keldeo:
Nice, the kill went through.
 Which also raises the question of what he did overnight. Maybe someone'll come forward saying they were blocked.

--- Friday, December 1, 2017 ---

[12:50:26 AM] Eifie:
doubt it. why would they?

[12:53:57 AM] Keldeo:
in the name of information!
 But yeah, figuring out who he targeted would be pretty unlikely (edit: unless he targeted ILS).

[4:32:35 PM] Eifie:
http://forums.dragonflycave.com/showpost.php?p=668309&postcount=98 I think other people should be finding this fishy as well, so I figured I would pre-empt them...
 I'm worried now, though

[4:49:43 PM] Eifie:
"If we assume that ILS, Eifie, and Cynder are all clear" I agree with this reasoning, MF
 "ILS and Eifie aren't exceedingly likely to be running any anti-town gamuts, as their combined info just led to an earlygame mafia lynch in the previous day" I'm glad he seems to be forgetting that if I was not telling the truth, a mafia would have been lynched either way yesterday
 oh my god this game

[4:55:32 PM] Eifie:
it's exciting but also FUCK, there are so many ways to fuck us over
 actually, now I'm _really_ thinking MF might be mafia

[7:23:02 PM] Keldeo:
If I’m interpreting the game state right (which I’m not entirely sure I am?) I’m guessing this is one of the better things he could’ve posted? If we can lynch Cynder today and get ILS to inspect MF or Gzhoom tonight instead of either of us, I think that’d be ideal.

[7:36:11 PM] Eifie:
MF is appearing more mafia by the second

[9:09:15 PM] Eifie:
omg Keldeo what did MF do to you
 are you LOVERS
 are you... planning to betray me?!
 (I mean, I'm pretty sure lovers wouldn't actually register as a trackable action. also, maybe we should kill Kratos.)

[9:10:52 PM] Flora:
This chat is beautiful, please share logs when we win

[9:12:20 PM] Eifie:
of course
 I mean, I need to make my whinging about cops public
 Keldeo!
 you can't just show up and then stop typing, I've been talking to myself all day. is that because you're busy talking to your lover?
 I mean, I'll encourage this as long as you kill me last.

[9:13:26 PM] Keldeo:
[😊 Sticker]
 But nah, I'm guessing he healed me or something? If he received incriminating info he hasn't spoken up about it, so...
 Actually, this is a more fitting sticker
 [😈 Sticker]

[9:15:42 PM] Eifie:
but like, he did something that he's sure succeeded
 anyway, I'm struggling to think of a role where you'd know for sure that your action succeeded, that isn't an inforole
 (because I doubt MF would just jump to the conclusion that inforoles can be blocked)
 well... unless he asked Negrek about it

[9:19:03 PM] Keldeo:
Fuck, there's no winky face in the Pokemon stickers.
 [😜 Sticker]
 [❤ Sticker]

[9:19:37 PM] Eifie:
this all seems like a scheme to distract me from the lover thing...
 hrrrm...

[9:19:43 PM] Keldeo:
We are lovers!
 I didn't tell you at first because I didn't want town to be able to draw the connection from you to him if you knew.

[9:20:12 PM] Flora:
this warms my cold dead heart

[9:20:31 PM] Keldeo:
Lol maybe I'm playing too many irl games where people are all super-focused on the connections between people.
 But he's said his lover ability is unblockable, which is actually helping us right now, so that's good.

[9:24:57 PM] Eifie:
......................
 unsure if serious
 omg are you serious

[9:28:18 PM] Keldeo:
[⭕ Sticker]

[9:28:22 PM] Eifie:
:O!
 tell me more
 what does he do
 what have you been TALKING ABOUT

[9:28:35 PM] Keldeo:
Literally nothing besides the lovering, lol

[9:28:42 PM] Eifie:
wow...

[9:28:44 PM] Keldeo:
...That was a bad way to phrase it.

[9:28:47 PM] Eifie:
he didn't even care that you were going to die...

[9:50:45 PM] Eifie:
p.s., should we kill kratos tonight
 i hate killing kratos, but it seems necessary to kill kratos
 also, i wonder if we actually have any doctors at all, given all these other roles

[9:52:13 PM] Keldeo:
Yeahhh, I guess either Kratos or ILS is the best bet if no one comes up.
 The only people who haven't claimed are... ZM, Butterfree, and SS?

[9:52:41 PM] Eifie:
(and MF)
(and you)

[9:53:08 PM] Keldeo:
Yeah, I should say the people who haven't claimed publicly are ZM, Butterfree, SS, MF, me, Stryke, Superbird.

[9:53:11 PM] Eifie:
ZM might not have a night action, and I think SS probably does have a night action
 ZM might be a vig or something

[9:53:51 PM] Keldeo:
The people whose roles /we/ don't know are ZM, Butterfree, SS, Stryke, Superbird. The doctor could've been in the latter two, I guess? Or the doctor is Butterfree or SS lying low.

[9:54:22 PM] Eifie:
hmm, then maybe we should gamble on no doctor and attack ILS? but Gzhoom might bus him

[9:57:49 PM] Keldeo:
If Gzhoom bus-drives-to-protect, it'll probably be ILS (or maybe Kratos because they claimed today and recency bias?)... I think we should be able to keep ILS distracted enough investigating either MF or Gzhoom, either way, but Kratos is more of a wildcard.
 Worst case would be Gzhoom swaps whoever we kill and [me / you / MF]. So maybe we should get rid of the potential for that confounding factor first?

[9:58:43 PM] Eifie:
i'm just worried about Kratos tracking one of us...

[10:29:59 PM] Eifie:
heh, I think Negrek is reading my PM
 "0/10 scumchat, where are the cat gifs"
 yeah, Keldeo! where??

[10:45:10 PM] Keldeo:
[😺 Sticker]
 I don't actually have good cat gifs saved to my computer? Or if I do, I can't find them.

[INTERLUDE IN WHICH EIFIE POSTS ~50 DOG GIFS]

--- Sunday, December 3, 2017 ---

[12:41:10 PM] Eifie:
do you think I should ask Gzhoom in the thread if he wants to try to coordinate night actions so we don't clash again

[1:43:19 PM] Keldeo:
As long as it won’t back you into a corner I’d say yeah
Other than that... I guess while Kratos is alive, I should take all the kills so tracking you doesn’t sink your claim because you only targeted one person - if I'm tracked I can say I just happened to target the mafia's target, and claim something bonkers like “learns if their target was targeted” or “prevents target from being roleblocked”
I guess if we can get Gzhoom to idle tonight (or guarantee that he doesn’t target Kratos), we can kill Kratos then Gzhoom hopefully without any doctor or swapping intervention. Otherwise, I think there’s a sizable chance he will swap MF and Kratos for the same reason he swapped SS and ILS last night, which means killing Kratos tonight is a little of a risk.
 Hopefully ILS will inspect MF after the flip, so he’s a non-threat for right now... I guess we just have to give him reason to suspect (and thus inspect) someone other than you every night, until we can nightkill him.

[2:20:35 PM] Eifie:
I mean, I imagine tracking would only give one result for redirector anyway, but

[2:22:03 PM] Keldeo:
I think both returning one target and returning both targets would be reasonable, since you're choosing two people anyway. But I guess you could argue that tracking would always give like the first one, yeah.

[2:26:34 PM] Eifie:
I'd imagine that like, the person being redirected is the actual target, and the action they're being targeted with is "redirect to this person"
 anyway, let's see if Gzhoom takes the bait
 although if he does say he'll swap MF and Kratos, or MF and ILS, that would be kind of unfortunate because I don't want to take the risk of targeting MF
 maybe it's time to gamble on there not being a doctor, though

[2:38:49 PM] Eifie:
we already have so many town power roles, man >:( meanwhile we have no powers and we just happened to be lucky enough for one of us to get lovered

[2:41:15 PM] Keldeo:
I guess Cynder could actually be alien???

[2:41:43 PM] Eifie:
could be, but I kind of doubt it

[2:41:48 PM] Keldeo:
Perhaps there isn’t a doctor, period, to make up for the many town roles that can mess with our kill

[2:41:54 PM] Eifie:
that's what I'm hoping
 and jailer is kind of doctor

[2:42:30 PM] Keldeo:
MF was thinking SS probably has a targeting role with all the “my potential target” stuff

[2:42:38 PM] Eifie:
yeah I said that earlier

[2:43:04 PM] Keldeo:
Yeah. I guess the assumption there is that she’s probably the doctor if we have one, because there’s already two inforoles in town
 And vig or the like wouldn’t target

[2:43:49 PM] Eifie:
1. detective
2. not bus driver
3. roleblocker
4. tracker
5. dead jailer
6. dead Superbird
7. dead Strike
8. bfree
9. probably-targeting SS
10. probably-non-targeting ZM
11. lover
12. vanilla mafia
13. vanilla mafia
14. vanilla mafia
 ZM could be terrorist or something

[2:44:48 PM] Keldeo:
Man, maybe everyone else is a vanilla townie?

[2:45:13 PM] Eifie:
does tcodf ever actually do vanilla townies
 actually, negrek has
 in a gimmick game, though
 (and in tvtropes mafia but that's a special case)

[2:46:32 PM] Eifie:
maaan why were there only 3 of us
 even 3.5/14 mafia is like, really really the bare minimum

[2:47:23 PM] Keldeo:
I guess we probably do have a terrorist or alien on our hands?

[2:47:55 PM] Eifie:
we could've killed the terrorist already

[2:48:06 PM] Keldeo:
Ugh, true

[2:49:26 PM] Keldeo:
There are, what, 7 town left? If we can kill 4, we control the vote, since MF will vote with us. So two nights and two mislynches*, is our best case scenario I guess (*without any of us dying)
 Also I love how the alien theory is only a thing because you randomly said you’d redirected SS to Cynder, lol

[3:01:44 PM] Eifie:
imagine if Cynder actually is alien and ended up screwing himself over for no reason because he never actually got inspected
 the stars just seem perfectly aligned against him though
 he happened to pick MF as a target, MF's lover action happened to be trackable, Kratos happened to target MF that night...

[3:03:13 PM] Keldeo:
Hahahaha

[3:05:40 PM] Keldeo:
Okay looking back at the list, probably best to nightkill Kratos/Gzhoom in some order and then ILS, or SS if she is doc and interferes with stuff. For lynches, we can try to get ZM and Butterfree for inactivity maybe? People we probably couldn't push a lynch on are SS, who reads pretty town, and ILS and anyone he clears.
For survival, no one's lynching MF if ILS clears him, you're pseudo-cleared because of the Flora bus, I'm probably the weakest link here, but ILS has already "inspected" me so hopefully he won't again before we can kill him.

[3:07:01 PM] Eifie:
it would make me too sad to try to lynch SS :'(
 let's see what Gzhoom says
 people are viewing the thread!
 post, people!!
 I'm bored!

[4:38:38 PM] Eifie:
even Kratos didn't want to weigh in :C
 on the bright side, that means Gzhoom is more likely to agree out of ignorance

[4:56:21 PM] Eifie:
http://forums.dragonflycave.com/showpost.php?p=668359&postcount=135 nice, I can sway him pretty much any way I want
 what do you think?
 I think I should probably tell him like, "switch ILS with someone who's not X" where X is the person I will plan to redirect
 it would probably be suspicious if I picked someone who wasn't ILS, or if I specified the second person when there's no need
 I was hoping he would make a suggestion, so I wouldn't have to propose something myself, but alas

[5:18:24 PM] Keldeo:
"Switch ILS with someone who's not [MF if Cynder flips innocent / SS if Cynder flips mafia]"? Town you would be trying to check whoever the flip makes suspicious-looking by redirecting them to someone random I guess. And also if ILS does inspect MF/SS, the (innocent) result (which clears MF) won't be muddled by redirection stuff.
That way we can probably kill Kratos tonight with little fear, as long as he doesn't switch ILS with Kratos, or Gzhoom with no fear, probably Kratos.

[5:23:11 PM] Eifie:
hm, that is also a bad town strategy thingy because the redirector becomes totally pointless that night
 I know what the actual best town strategy would probably be, but I do not want to suggest it.
 although I guess it would leave Kratos open for us to kill

[5:51:57 PM] Eifie:
aww, naive, trusting Gzhoom

[6:18:08 PM] Keldeo:
[Bulbasaur NICE! sticker]
 Since ILS is pseudo-protected tonight, the living doctor if there is one will probably go for Kratos?
as the other inforole town needs to protect. So we could also treat targeting Kratos as checking whether there's a doctor.

--- Monday, December 4, 2017 ---

[10:19:58 AM] Eifie:
omg I had a nightmare about this game
 MD roleblocked you and also there was like a cult and they activated their special powers so that only me, MF, and two cult guys were left. then MF was terrorist and blew one of them up and I killed the other the next night and thought I had won but they were actually zombies so they killed me
 and then I told Negrek "there were way too many non-mafia roles--" and she was like "yeah I know oops"
 also this was all in person somehow

[10:36:01 AM] Keldeo:
Omg... MD isn’t even in this game

[12:03:07 PM] Eifie:
I know lmao
 neither were the zombies

[8:50:57 PM] Keldeo:
Nice, okay.
 Tonight... I guess we have either a confirmed kill on Gzhoom, or a confirmed kill on Kratos unless there's a doctor alive.
 On the off chance Kratos tracks you tonight, having you not act is more blatantly weird/anti-your-claim than having me not act but also a redirector would have no reason to target either Gzhoom or Kratos, so I can take the kill. Not entirely sure who's a better target tonight though.

[9:02:59 PM] Eifie:
we'll just hope Kratos doesn't track me
 I think we should kill Kratos

[9:03:30 PM] Keldeo:
Okay

[9:03:40 PM] Eifie:
then hopefully this point could be moot :D

[9:04:47 PM] Keldeo:
And if they survive I actually want to use the ridiculous "prevents target from being roleblocked" fakeclaim

[UNRELATED DISCUSSION]

[9:48:49 PM] Flora:
Dave from morphic killed a man.
 This is now in the logs. You have to publish it now. Confuse the non-dnders

[9:50:56 PM] Eifie:
hey Keldeo, did you ever ask your lover what he thought about our night action plans

[10:06:36 PM] Keldeo:
Forwarded message: MF [12/4/17]
oh, shoot, the day's over already
I was thinking of maybe sliding a last minute "... holy fuck guys I realized something bad"
but yeah, sound thinking, confirmed inno inforoles are trouble and we basically have two of them running amok

[10:06:59 PM] Eifie:
what bad thing did he not realize :scream:

[10:08:03 PM] Keldeo:
Forwarded message: MF [12/4/17]
oh, you know, "my action is unblockable! he wasn't lying!"

[10:08:05 PM] Eifie:
also, "already"? it was a day late
 ...
 thank you for not doing that mf
 have you told him about the alien theory

[10:08:47 PM] Keldeo:
Yeah

[10:09:00 PM] Keldeo:
Forwarded message: MF [12/2/17]
ooh, that's a tidy idea
(I should also really actually post more and possibly get people less suspicious of me as I lead them directly into a town lynch, but......... finals...........)
I was planning to do it right at the end so there'd be no time to change

[10:10:06 PM] Eifie:
that would be bad

[10:10:53 PM] Keldeo:
Forwarded message: MF [12/4/17]
although, if this day end was late, then yeah, maybe that would be too much to rely on
well, coincidentally, I've been planning on roleclaiming terrorist as a joke (but also drop the real-ish claim within the same post)
it'd be like
"well, time for me to roleclaim after all. [b]Explode I Liek Squirtles[/b]. ... just kidding, I'm the lover"

[10:12:16 PM] Eifie:
omg please don't claim lover
 it doesn't make any sense for you to think your action could possibly be affected by roleblocking
 (I can't believe it's actually trackable)

[10:13:30 PM] Keldeo:
Forwarded message: MF [12/4/17]
I mean it doesn't make sense to claim it could be tracka- yep
so I was going to claim a variant anyway

[10:15:03 PM] Eifie:
you could also just not roleclaim?
 I mean, Kratos is the actual reason everyone lynched Cynder
 I didn't really get why anyone was actually expecting to hear about your role at all

[10:17:01 PM] Keldeo:
Forwarded message: MF [12/4/17]
it's a roleclaim-heavy meta we have on TCoD, much to the chagrin of the lovers and docs of the world

[10:17:51 PM] Keldeo:
Forwarded message: MF [12/4/17]
in fact, between this and still being the one who started the mislynch, I fully expect that people will be on my ass if I don't claim of good will, specially if ILS doesn't go after me tonight after all
(or if redirection shenanigans happen)

[10:18:03 PM] Eifie:
he had better go after you tonight

[10:30:26 PM] Keldeo:
Also - if the kill goes through tonight, there are 8 living people, 3 of whom are us, so we just have to get one other person to vote with us (or fewer than 2 opposition votes) in order to control the lynch.

[10:34:05 PM] Keldeo:
Ideally it'd go n3 kill Kratos -> d4 Lynch ZM/Bfree for inactivity + arrange Gzhoom's action in a way that conveniently involves them not swapping our target -> n4 Kill any of ILS/Gzhoom/SS since I don't think we're lynching them -> d5 Lynch the other of ZM/Bfree or whoever we can finagle that day -> Win

[10:34:39 PM] Eifie:
oof. we have a long way to go...

--- Friday, December 8, 2017 ---

[5:57:15 PM] Eifie:
WHY. WHY DID YOU INSPECT GZHOOM. WHY.

[5:58:25 PM] Keldeo:
D:
 we can kill gzhoom tonight?

[5:58:49 PM] Eifie:
well I mean, the townies now are basically either inexperienced or inactive, so I think MF can still get away without claiming by just. not mentioning it. at all.
 no one is even wondering why Cynder was innocent
 what is this bullcrap!!
 I will post later this evening

[5:59:29 PM] Keldeo:
Maybe we should've killed Gzhoom

[5:59:35 PM] Eifie:
nah

[5:59:45 PM] Keldeo:
Should I bring up alien theory? or just leave it

[5:59:51 PM] Eifie:
I wanna mention alien theory!
 pls

[6:00:41 PM] Keldeo:
Okay, we can focus discussion on the lynch flip and then also maybe bring up that one of the inactives should die
 Ooh, maybe MF can lead a mislynch and get himself investigated tonight.
 Rather, that would probably get him investigated tonight.

[6:01:20 PM] Eifie:
not that that worked last time...

[8:24:01 PM] Keldeo:
It might be harder to get ZM on inactivity now that he's posted a thing with substance; the numbers do make it pretty favorable for town to lynch today so it's nice he brought that up. I think Butterfree is the person we could most reasonably push as a lynch target?

--- Saturday, December 9, 2017 ---

[12:57:04 PM] Keldeo:
Omg, thanks for doing our job for us, SS
I'm gonna wait to post until Butterfree and ZM respond. (Unless it becomes long enough that it's fishy that they're not responding.)
 Oh, also, it's worth noting that if we can push a mislynch today and get a kill off tonight, people will probably think the numbers are 4v2 when they're actually 3v3, which gives us a bit of leeway (although to be fair, they would be 4v2 if MF hadn't lovered me.)

[2:07:25 PM] Keldeo:
:grimacing:
 There's our doctor.
 Hmm, unless I or MF counterclaim, Bfree's probably going to be a tough lynch to sell, then.

[2:37:09 PM] Eifie:
great.
 well, we know ZM probably doesn't have a (targeting) night action, from Kratos. and he's also not a mafia not killing, since, you know, that's us.
gdi ZM if you're terrorist just blow up ILS already

[10:06:01 PM] Keldeo:
I have a hunch ZM is vig because that's the only pretty typical mafia role that hasn't been accounted for yet among the living... although I guess Superbird or Stryke or SS could be the vig.
 Also I have no idea what SS's role is now that Bfree's revealed to be doctor - I'd had a hunch she was the doctor for no real reason. Maybe there are two doctors? Bfree seems fairly open to the possibility of overdose.

[10:11:58 PM] Eifie:
please town you're already OP

--- Sunday, December 10, 2017 ---

[12:35:44 PM] Keldeo:
Uh. I guess we just push ZM on account of "not revealing info is bad" and it's really easy for mafia to make his past few posts (speculating about setup/numbers, seeming to roleclaim but not actually doing so and being evasive about it)?
 Hmm, I guess that's a little hypocritical as it invites me and MF to claim... I have the "prevents tampering" thing, he could claim neighborizer or maybe jack of all trades? (with, conveniently, his cop and doctor one-shots already used)
edited
As for ZM's actual role, there's not actually many passive roles that would inconvenience mafia... bulletproof? Mirror? Innocent child? If it's one of the first two, nightkilling him seems like a risk.
Also, a thing we could do ("you" here being MF)

[12:40:21 PM] Keldeo:
Forwarded message: Keldeo [12/9/17]
Hmm, if you lead the push against whoever we end up trying to mislynch today, Eifie or me could drop a "and if this person ends up being innocent, MF would be the person to look at tomorrow." It'll be pretty hard to get another mislynch tomorrow if ILS investigates anyone other than you tonight.

[1:00:17 PM] Eifie:
> Keldeo
> As for ZM's actual role, there's not actually many passive roles
granny! although we know he can't be that, because Kratos tracked him, and also he didn't say anything when I claimed to have redirected him. so he also doesn't know or yell out who targeted him.

[1:02:03 PM] Eifie:
it kind of sounds like he's bullshitting
 except, well, we're the mafia, so.

[1:02:57 PM] Keldeo:
I mean, I guess we can harness the power of him sounding like he's bullshitting with that last post to pressure him today.
 Also, since Kratos targeted him but didn't comment about how it looked like he was targeting himself, I guess he can't be mirror. Most likely he's bulletproof, then.
 Or maybe he is terrorist and wants to draw out discussion to give mafia the most info?!

[1:57:11 PM] Eifie:
that would be great, but I think ZM is usually very straightforward
 he could be nexus :O or whatever it's called
 the role that redirects every night action to a random target
 but then Kratos would have to have happened to be redirected to someone else doing nothing

[2:01:12 PM] Keldeo:
Hmm, maybe. We do know for sure that there were people doing nothing that night, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. (In any case, lynching him seems like the best way to go about things while avoiding any side effects of his power, and if he turns out to be lynchproof or something we can always kill him.)
Would it be too obviously suspicious for my first post of the day to be casting suspicion on ZM? Or at least that'd get him to claim fully, if nothing else.

[2:42:10 PM] Eifie:
I dunno, but I'm getting bored. maybe it's time to start being a bit more bold.
 ... I am probably going to be the cause of our demise.
 maybe we should go for ils tonight in hopes that bfree will not actually heal him and is just saying she will.
 because it would suck if bfree went and healed gzhoom instead.

[2:48:05 PM] Keldeo:
Ugh, I feel like it's a toss-up whether Butterfree will actually heal ILS. Maybe slightly more likely that she will.

[2:48:25 PM] Eifie:
idk man i'm so bored.
 I'm gonna go cast some suspicion on ZM. I'm the most town-seeming of us, so we'll see how it goes
 I mean, like, does it seem like mafia bs to you two?
 "I have a role but it's worse for the mafia if they don't know so I'm just not going to say anything!"

[2:53:56 PM] Keldeo:
Only thing about that is that you don't actually investigate as town, eh. But yeah, go for it

[2:54:01 PM] Eifie:
even stuff like bomb isn't that much worse for the mafia if they don't know, like, we have a lot of hot targets right now. and if he happened to be a bomb and we knew, we could redirect people to him and that would be good. ("we" being town)
 hopefully ils will not investigate me because, you know, i got a maf lynched

[3:01:00 PM] Eifie:
http://forums.dragonflycave.com/showthread.php?p=668402&posted=1#post668402 lol sorry if i fucked up by initiating the vote i Do Not Care

[3:38:17 PM] Keldeo:
Forwarded message: MF [12/10/17]
I'm thinking of maybe being all "ehhhh..." about it at first but coming around to it, particularly if everyone else starts the bandwagon without me
(not too "ehhh..." mind, just "reasonable, maybe not all reasonable, I'm gonna go think about it")
... oh, wait, 14 hours left to day's end, huh. I'm just gonna go create a natural delay and only throw my vote in the pot if it's necessary

[3:39:09 PM] Eifie:
we should decide whether we want to kill ils tonight or not

[3:39:24 PM] Keldeo:
I probably also will like only vote if necessary... I have the excuse of "I have a take home quiz due in 20 hours and also multiple finals in the next week" if need be.

[3:39:28 PM] Keldeo:
Okay, yeah, we kill him.

[3:39:41 PM] Eifie:
die-ls!
 haha!
 i'm funny!
 goodbye.

[7:44:38 PM] Eifie:
what the actual fuck the town is so OP
 MF does your role PM have any flavour text
 because I have zero

[7:52:14 PM] Eifie:
"This will be a simple game using standard roles." quoth Negrek...
 argh... I think he's like a third party or something...
 like, realistically, this role is way too OP to be town
 survives all the kill attempts in one night with a 50% chance to kill each attacker, and then bomb effect? uh, no.
 ... also Disguise is Mimikyu's ability.
 Zoroark's is Illusion.

[7:57:04 PM] Keldeo:
It would be so funny if ZM actually was terrorist but blew one of us up

[8:00:59 PM] Eifie:
i no longer have much regard for my own safety in posting

[8:06:02 PM] Keldeo:
I mean, it's pretty much fine. Even if ILS inspects you and gets saved tonight, it doesn't implicate me and MF unless town realizes that mafia you pretty much never defends town me on d2.

[8:09:31 PM] Eifie:
i mean if i get found out as mafia, they know i was lying about the redirect on d2 and we're all busted
 but playing cautiously is soooo boring

[8:22:35 PM] Keldeo:
Forwarded message: MF [12/10/17]
I'm thinking of taking the jack-of-all-trades fakeclaim; if I do, I'll make it out to be about metronome battles
(and also, perhaps, shade Negrek for totally rigging that)

[8:23:14 PM] Eifie:
how come everyone else got flavour text and we didn't :(

[8:28:18 PM] Flora:
we are BORING, that's why we're killing people. asb is getting too Fun w/ the luvdiscs and all

[8:28:59 PM] Eifie:
i actually bought alomomolas

[8:59:15 PM] Keldeo:
> Eifie
> also, I don't want to do any killing, as I am a pacifist.
Also, I was thinking that if you didn't kill anyone tonight this would probably come true, but also it would probably be best for you to send in the ILS kill tonight because any town redirective/protective roles (if there are any?? I guess SS is the only unaccounted-for factor here) would be less likely to target you than me.

[9:17:14 PM] Keldeo:
Or, huh, we could actually go for  SS tonight and just hope ILS doesn't investigate you? I feel like it's pretty likely that even if Butterfree doesn't heal ILS, she'll protect someone other than herself or SS... Following Butterfree's plan, Gzhoom will swap Butterfree and someone else, so we will probably not end up accidentally killing one of ourselves unless Gzhoom breaks from plan again (but tonight, I don't entirely think he has a reason to).

[9:17:54 PM] Eifie:
well, I'm more worried about ils investigating you, because I don't want to play alone >:(

[9:20:36 PM] Keldeo:
Mainly I'm thinking that because Bfree specifically mentioned "if I were mafia, that'd be one very convenient plan to clear the way for killing ILS, wouldn't it." she doesn't want to risk having ILS die if she purposely doesn't heal him, because that would implicate her 50/50.

--- Monday, December 11, 2017 ---

[1:59:56 PM] Keldeo:
Oh, also, if we kill someone other than ILS I think we should kill Gzhoom, to limit the information town gains from the flip.
Idk, are you still for killing ILS? I’d rather try to take out Gzhoom at this point... I feel like it’s more likely to be successful, if nothing else. If it goes through we can push either free or SS.

[2:22:01 PM] Eifie:
either ILS or Gzhoom for sure

--- Tuesday, December 12, 2017 ---

[6:01:58 AM] Eifie:
I told you he wasn't innocent!

[12:01:12 PM] Keldeo:
[👌 Sticker]
 As earlier, could you take tonight's kill? I'm still somewhat more in favor of going for Gzhoom, but ILS is also a valid option.
 The prankster's life is in your hands!

[12:23:50 PM] Eifie:
um, what does MF think.

[12:31:37 PM] Keldeo:
I keep forgetting to ask him! I am a bad mafia boss.
 The prankster’s life is in your and his hands!

[4:32:47 PM] Keldeo:
Forwarded message: Keldeo [12/12/17]
We are deciding on a kill target tonight, between ILS and Gzhoom. What do you think?
Forwarded message: MF [12/12/17]
well, we're kind of fucked thanks to the ongoing doctor-cop circlejerk, one of the most busted possible combinations in mafia
we could shoot butterfree but that'd leave us painfully short on non-cleared players, specially if ILS decides to check out sandstone-shadow on some cruel whim of fate
Forwarded message: Keldeo [12/12/17]
Butterfree wanted Gzhoom to swap her with someone, so I think that plan might backfire on us.
Forwarded message: MF [12/12/17]
we kinda don't have anything much better to do than shoot gzhoom, eh
cop+doctor is bad enough and then we have a variant where someone's got the doctor's back too
vanilla mafia vs. all power roles town never ends well I guess

[5:14:05 PM] Eifie:
i have been complaining about this since the start >:(
 okay, killing Gzhoom.

[9:26:22 PM] Keldeo:
Hmm, there are a lot of ways the night could go wrong/suboptimally, but assuming the kill goes through and ILS investigates someone who's not you or me... I guess we can roll with ZM's numbers, get town to think that it's 4v2 instead of 3v3 and we can still afford a mislynch, and then pressure whoever ILS didn't investigate of Bfree or SS (or if he inspected MF, either of them, depending.)
Or, I guess, we don't even need to do too much work if it's 3v3, or even 4v3. We just need to make sure there are fewer than 3 opposition votes, aka convincing 1 townie (or 2 townies in the latter scenario) to not vote against us/not join the opposition bandwagon. (Which would be hard if one of us is investigated, but I mean, it's pretty much game over if you're copped anyway.)

[10:05:05 PM] Eifie:
gdi ils please just investigate mf

--- Friday, December 15, 2017 ---

[9:45:29 AM] Eifie:
ugggh see I knew it
 we could have won if we'd targeted ils >:(

[10:21:37 AM] Keldeo:
Ugh yeah you were right. It’s good that MF’s in ILS’s town block now but bad that ILS and Bfree are both still alive...
When Bfree comes forward saying she healed Gzhoom (unless Gzhoom somehow protected himself), you or MF could FoS her for allowing the chance that ILS would die, noting that mafia could just do nothing to make it seem like the doctor was successful, making her claim easy enough to “prove”? Like I would assume establishing a "deep wolf" would be better than just getting another kill off, even if it were 5v2.
 Or you could say you redirected SS to Gzhoom I guess... but SS could have a role that makes that plausible anyway.
 Idk... I’m running out of ideas.

[10:41:57 AM] Eifie:
finally ILS
 can we just like
 have MF claim his jack of all trades and say he roleblocked someone
 by which i mean ss i guess
 eh but bfree switching it up means it won't be such an easy lynch

[10:43:13 AM] Keldeo:
We can just wait to see what actions Gzhoom and Bfree claim I guess.
 Then tailor our strategy to that.

[10:47:01 AM] Eifie:
I think our best course of action is
 MF claims Jack of all trades, says he inspected you n0
 then we lynch ss

[1:49:16 PM] Eifie:
ARGH WE COULD HAVE KILLED ANYONE BUT GZHOOM
 well with no response from MF i'm just going to go ahead and call you out >:( >:(
 hmm i kind of want to go the angle of gzhoom's not redirecting when bfree asked him to to be... kind of fishy

[2:04:43 PM] Keldeo:
Hmmm. He did get inspected as innocent by ILS... It's a little of a stretch to say mafia him was planning to get inspected and lied about not being able to swap himself, isn't it?

[2:05:20 PM] Eifie:
i mean from like, the perspective of a half-mafia

[2:05:32 PM] Keldeo:
The fact that he didn't does likely point to some measure of suspicion of Butterfree, or just passivity in general, in his playstyle that we could exploit
 So you're saying he's an investigates-innocent mafia?
 Or, you would be saying.

[2:06:37 PM] Eifie:
yeah
 mafia bus driver would be very afraid to act in this scenario
 because with so few people living, they could easily get a mafia killed
 i think i will just bring this up because i am annoyed at this game and we need to take risks >:(

[3:54:49 PM] Keldeo:
Eif are you okay with me claiming, or do you want me to not claim so you can pressure me more or something?

[3:55:13 PM] Eifie:
claiming is fine! what you gonna claim :O

[3:56:21 PM] Keldeo:
The anti-roleblocking/redirecting thing, with targets Kratos n0, MF n1, you n2, ILS n3, and last night, ILS I guess?
 Given that all the redirect-y roles have been accounted for last night, I don't think there's any way that claiming to have targeted someone else last night would help any pushes we try...
 Ooh, wait, is Director too silly a role name claim
 'cause, like, Redirector... I guess I could go with Pointer or something more serious, but also Casanova and Zoroark and the like are not that serious for flavor.

[4:09:32 PM] Keldeo:
 Like... I guess I could say, like, vig? But SS could be vig. SS could be a JoaT for all we know.
 I guess the thing here is to find a role where it wouldn't be implausible for it to be in the game, but where it's also probably not SS's role, because a counterclaim at this point would be disastrous.
 Hmm, Dreaming God probably fits that bill, but the only flavor that I can think of is metronome battles and MF wanted to use that for his JoaT claim.

[4:13:03 PM] Eifie:
I'm trying to think through what we could do if you claimed doctor...
 like what would be the benefits if you and bfree could be like "okay we'll both target x suspicious person tonight to test if one of us is lying"
 if we could do that and also get another lynch today, then we would be free to kill someone else tonight
 but at that point it might also just be like, well we don't really need two doctors at this stage, might as well lynch
 although then mf can come in with his inspection result and we can lynch bfree if it comes to that.
 but then two doctors not healing kratos that one night they died is kind of suspect.
 but also, inspection result.
 omg mf we need your result.

[4:16:31 PM] Keldeo:
You redirected me to SS that night, so that wouldn't be too much of a problem.

[4:17:30 PM] Eifie:
oh, you never even posted that day. because it was yesterday.

[4:17:58 PM] Keldeo:
The question "why didn't I counterclaim Bfree" is, I guess, sufficiently answered by "my role PM left it open as to whether there were multiple doctors"...

[4:18:12 PM] Eifie:
i mean, i don't see why it would be so important for you to counterclaim
 if one doctor claims then that is great and you can continue working from the shadows

[4:19:29 PM] Keldeo:
That's true. imo, though, Butterfree's posts have been really easy for a mafia to make (pretty much bandwagoning and filler), so I feel like an actual doctor me might have counterclaimed her just then.
 But you're right that I probably won't need to justify it unless someone calls me on it. I guess the main deal here is, like, if I were doctor I don't think I would claim right now, either.
 Oh, wait - I guess I could just post my excuse for not posting and not claim, and you could call me on not claiming, and then I'd claim. Which would open up the door to MF's claim, and potentially throw suspicion on SS if she doesn't want to claim.

[4:21:05 PM] Eifie:
well if actual doctor you wouldn't claim then say so and i'll be like well, it's kind of late game and we supposedly have all these other protection roles blah blah
 well, i guess i wouldn't say "other"
 and also we majorly got on zm's case yesterday for saying he didn't want to claim and look what happened then
 also you could say you tried to heal gzhoom the night i redirected you to make sure we would know who he actually swapped ils with if something happened
 (I feel like saying you actually did try to heal kratos is kind of weird because you never said anything that day, and even if you were busy wouldn't you just drop at least a one-sentence post if someone you healed died)

[4:25:07 PM] Keldeo:
You didn't announce your plan for that redirect, though, right?
 Yeah, I'm thinking I could say I healed ILS that night?

[4:25:26 PM] Eifie:
that was the night i told gzhoom to swap ils with someone inactive

[4:25:44 PM] Keldeo:
So even if the mafia tried to kill ILS by just killing him, they wouldn't hit anyone.

[4:26:32 PM] Eifie:
I dunno, would doctor-you do that?

[4:28:12 PM] Keldeo:
Actually, I could say I healed Butterfree that night. I remember thinking that town me would be like, hey, there are literally two people who qualify as "inactive" and that's ZM and Butterfree, so essentially I tried to do the same thing as Butterfree that night because I didn't know there was another doctor.
 Or, town me would think that after reading your post, and not mention it because of not wanting to give mafia a clue.

[4:29:40 PM] Eifie:
do whatever doctor you would do! wwdyd

[5:03:39 PM] Keldeo:
Also, on further thought about what doctor me would do, I don't think I'd claim unless you or someone pushed me, at this point.

[5:03:51 PM] Eifie:
doctor you is silly
 doctor you should not play doctor that way in the future, probably

[5:04:42 PM] Keldeo:
In general I'm a pretty silly player (by which I mean I make silly plays) and the last time I played on TCoDf was like two years ago, so I don't think that's too out of character, haha.

[7:30:50 PM] Eifie:
oh my god fuck
 GOD DAMN IT SS
 okay, so even if we had targeted ils nobody would have died.
 okay I think you have to claim doctor and we need MF's investigation result so we can lynch butterfree, then if nobody dies that night, the next day we can still lynch SS

[7:40:35 PM] Keldeo:
Uhhh
 Actually could I claim bodyguard

[7:41:05 PM] Eifie:
noooo don't make the town look even more op

[7:41:16 PM] Keldeo:
I feel like if I also claim doctor it’s like, the most trustworthy claims are first, usually

[7:41:31 PM] Eifie:
we will have MF's inspection on you and also SS's suspicion of butterfree

[7:41:46 PM] Keldeo:
Yeah kind of a pickle

[8:01:05 PM] Keldeo:
Okay I forwarded the messages to MF, and this is actually looking less dire than I thought. We lynch Butterfree, we have Gzhoom / ILS / SS vs. me / you / MF. Gzhoom is the best person to kill because the only way that doesn't happen is if SS heals him. Then we either win straightaway or try to lynch SS and win.
 ...That was already obvious, probably, but having it written out makes it feel easier to parse.
 I'll claim in a bit.

[8:02:34 PM] Eifie:
yes! good.
 the only problem would be if ILS investigated you that night, and also SS prevented our kill

[8:03:32 PM] Keldeo:
Yeah. I'm going to try to lay low, as much as that's possible, for the rest of the day, try to bait SS into leading the lynch.

[8:03:36 PM] Eifie:
but hopefully at that point gzhoom will swap ils with either you or ss, so we can just target ss

[8:04:20 PM] Keldeo:
Idk. Gzhoom's been kind of unpredictable, he might swap SS with one of us, so I think the best thing to do is target him, since he can't swap himself.

[8:04:43 PM] Eifie:
I doubt it
 if he swaps I think he will swap ILS with someone

[8:05:34 PM] Keldeo:
Okay. Let's trust your gut, and see if we need to re-evaluate our read on him once the end of the day is closer.

[8:06:06 PM] Eifie:
we're so close...!

[8:12:16 PM] Keldeo:
Oh yeah, right, targets. Can’t say I targeted Gzhoom (he would’ve overdosed) or Bfree (would make SS’s suspicions moot) or ILS (I’m guessing Bfree healed him). I guess I could say I targeted you?

[8:15:31 PM] Eifie:
when?

[8:15:46 PM] Keldeo:
Last night.

[8:15:50 PM] Eifie:
oooh! pick me!
 I don't know.
 I guess there aren't that many choices
 if you don't want to say bfree then I guess say me? I'm next on your list for that night since MF was not confirmed town yet, right?

[8:17:02 PM] Keldeo:
Yeah.

--- Saturday, December 16, 2017 ---

[9:35:40 AM] Eifie:
wow this is going so well. we didn't even need MF.

[1:21:37 PM] Keldeo:
Forwarded message: MF [12/16/17]
well, I'm gonna go ahead and claim -- not because it's remotely necessary to get sandstone-shadow and butterfree at each other's throats by now, but mostly because, unless I claim something different later, not claiming now, considering what I "know", would be mad weird

[1:25:07 PM] Eifie:
gdi butterfree why you gotta be so boring >:( reckless is a lot more interesting than "lol follow the cop"

[1:31:01 PM] Flora:
This is magnificent to watch

[1:36:17 PM] Eifie:
i s2g if we lose because keldeo gets overdosed

[3:41:55 PM] Keldeo:
Hmm, okay, rereading the thread - we can go with SS's theory and push for a doctor lynch today. They're both pretty much interchangeable in terms of night action results. Then the remaining doctor heals ILS, and I don't, and we kill Gzhoom, who can't swap himself. Then the remaining townies are the doctor and ILS, meaning it doesn't matter who ILS investigates, because we outvote them.
 Is there any problem with that reasoning?

[4:43:21 PM] Eifie:
yeah as long as we don't have doctors overdosing you tonight I think we're good. I'm just waiting to see what bfree says about lynching a doctor instead of Gzhoom

--- Tuesday, December 19, 2017 ---

[9:13:09 AM] Eifie:
The Gzhoom, the?
 can I do it?

[11:48:08 AM] Eifie:
I did it.

[1:10:23 PM] Keldeo:
The Gzhoom, the!

[6:29:41 PM] Keldeo:
Oh yeah, whenever the day starts, do we want to actually make a case that Butterfree is scum and should die or do you want to just vote her.

[8:52:41 PM] Eifie:
won't the game just end?

[9:02:25 PM] Keldeo:
MF said something to the effect of he still counts as town-aligned for win conditions (and inspections)? Even though he doesn't win with town anymore.
 So it has to be just us three alive I think. I guess it's so it's like, in case he lovered ZM or something, he wouldn't become an alien.

[9:23:34 PM] Eifie:
are you two planning on betraying me...

[9:36:53 PM] Keldeo:
[😮 Sticker]

[9:44:53 PM] Eifie:
:(
 I worked so hard to protect you.....
 nya ha! just kidding, lover win is fun!
 are you planning on betraying me though? :O if you are, I'll help.
 talking it over with your partner, i see.....

[10:01:21 PM] Keldeo:
Nah, I forwarded that message to him and he hasn't said anything yet.

--- Friday, December 22, 2017 ---

[9:22:33 AM] Eifie:
omg whatever let's just lynch Butterfree
 and then you're going to kill me tonight, right >:( can I do the honours? ooh, blood.
 I'm doing it (the lynch) lol sorry if you had other plans

[1:14:03 PM] Keldeo:
Hahaha that's fine
 Sorry, I was thinking about killing you last, but if only us three are alive, it's a mafia win, not a lovers win :(

[1:17:04 PM] Eifie:
what is wrong with a mafia win >:( I carried you guys so hard >:(

[1:20:22 PM] Flora:
I’m dying squirtles

[1:20:33 PM] Eifie:
actually, I'm the one dying!
 nya ha! ooh, blood...

[1:20:39 PM] Flora:
I mean that too

[1:20:39 PM] Eifie:
I wonder if I'll come back as a Risen!

[1:21:30 PM] Eifie:
Keldeo go vote though, I feel awks.
 omg Keldeo why even bother

[1:29:29 PM] Keldeo:
[😵 Sticker]
 I don't have anything better to do today, lol

[1:30:11 PM] Eifie:
you could have just written a vote!

[1:31:34 PM] Keldeo:
[🏊 Sticker]

[1:31:56 PM] Eifie:
[🐺 Sticker]

[5:01:14 PM] Eifie:
what is UP with you people

[9:53:48 PM] Eifie:
... is everyone just going to ignore how I outed myself?
 I guess I can take it and pretend to discuss, too...

[11:05:44 PM] Eifie:
by the way, Keldeo, if you try to go against me here I will happily reveal myself and out both you and MF, completely destroying your chances of winning as lover OR as mafia, but if you cooperate and I manage a mafia win here, you could avoid losing! just something to think about :O

[11:09:48 PM] Keldeo:
[😺 Sticker]

--- Saturday, December 23, 2017 ---

[1:33:32 AM] Keldeo:
Also, just saying but if you lynch me or MF today, you will lose, no way around it. If you join us in lynching Butterfree, we (mafia) can win.

[3:54:32 AM] Eifie:
ha! as if. you two were scheming behind my back!

[12:42:49 PM] Eifie:
I'm not bluffing, you know! get in my way one more time and I'll make it impossible for you two to win in any capacity, nya ha!

--- Monday, December 25, 2017 ---

[1:32:44 PM] Keldeo:
:(
 Well, ILS is probably gonna inspect you tonight. Even if you successfully kill someone, whoever’s alive is gonna know you’re mafia, and you only win at 1v0.
 So good luck I guess, and good game either way! This was fun.

[1:36:37 PM] Eifie:
ha ha! I know something about tiebreakers that you don't!

[1:37:38 PM] Flora:
It’s the last person to die, right?

[1:38:16 PM] Eifie:
nope!
 not if the last person to die happens to already know everyone's alignments!
 my chances are slim, but non-zero, which is more than I could say for letting the backstabbing lovers live >:(

[1:39:08 PM] Flora:
EIFIE :(

[1:39:16 PM] Keldeo:
[😮 Sticker]

[1:39:30 PM] Flora:
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID

[1:39:41 PM] Eifie:
it's too bad, all you had to do was be non-boring and reveal yourselves and vote butterfree with me.
 then I never would have thought twice!

--- Wednesday, December 27, 2017 ---

[5:21:54 PM] Keldeo:
Oh man, Butterfree would have correctly deduced all of what happened yesterday except for the fact that I'd actually already told you that we were lovers
(though I honestly should have told you guys, like, on d1, which I think was MF's original suggestion. We couldn't win with mafia anyway, so we'd just have been duping you all into thinking he had become essentially another goon but one who would inspect innocent)

[5:26:55 PM] Eifie:
lmao i remember being like "omg keldeo REALLY" at you yourself bringing up the possibility of the redirector when you were inspected
 you couldn't win with the mafia?!
 um... in that case you won't mind if I throw the game now because I'm bored, right?
 i wanna show everyone the scumchat...

[5:30:57 PM] Keldeo:
I mean, I don't think either Butterfree or ILS is about to change their vote unless, like... (I'm trying to think of a situation that would involve them changing their votes at this point but I actually can't think of one beyond like GM interference or someone turning out to like resurrect or something)

[5:31:14 PM] Eifie:
yeah but I could make an argument for the sake of it.
 or i could be like ok negrek hurry up and tell everyone what happened i've been waiting for this for days

[5:31:50 PM] Keldeo:
[🙄 Sticker]
 Your choice!

[5:32:08 PM] Eifie:
okay but so you definitely can't win with the mafia, right.

[5:32:34 PM] Keldeo:
"You now win the game only if you and your paramour are the last players remaining."

[5:32:52 PM] Eifie:
oh so my blackmail was not even real blackmail...
 alas

[5:33:33 PM] Keldeo:
Ugh, now I'm kicking myself for how easy that would have been to just doctor into "You now win the game when you and your paramour are the last players remaining or when Mafia-aligned players outnumber Town-aligned players."
 But yeah, it would've been cool if we could've actually won together

[5:34:16 PM] Eifie:
I assumed that that was how it went until you started talking about killing me...
 omg... well I guess this is less betrayal than I thought it was and Negrek is going to be very confused at my pm about the lovers getting greedy and going for lover win lmao

[5:35:53 PM] Keldeo:
Meanwhile I made the assumption that you'd made the complete opposite assumption, and probably ended up dooming myself, hahaha

[5:38:49 PM] Eifie:
miscommunication kills again
 we're like a mafia sitcom