[5:07:00 PM] Jonathan Butz: OJ is taking us off topic to talk about her soapbox, yes
[5:07:04 PM] Jonathan Butz: She does this CONSTANTLY
[5:07:19 PM] Jonathan Butz: takes a conversation other people were having and hijacks it for her soapbox
[5:08:17 PM] Jonathan Butz: I am really REALLY out of patience with it.
[5:08:28 PM] Jonathan Butz: and Rave is, too
[5:08:55 PM] Jonathan Butz: Also, we haven't talked at all about the things that are causing our dissatisfaction
[5:10:50 PM] Jonathan Butz: Rave is even more done now than when we started
[5:11:08 PM] Zuki: Fuck. Sorry. :(
[5:11:42 PM] Jonathan Butz: This is partially because of other people getting self-indulgent, but mostly because of OJ taking the spotlight, in the way that both of us are accustomed to seeing OJ take the spotlight
[5:12:05 PM] Jonathan Butz: and we didn't even bring up the way she made five short lines in a row and then asked people to talk more slowly because she writes long lines.

[5:35:54 PM] Zuki: ( If I am to summarize this concisely to OJ, is it accurate to say, 'there is a perception that when you enter a conversation to give input, you make it all about yourself/your own experiences/your own personal interpretations, invalidating or making non-relevant what others have to say.' )
[5:36:24 PM] Jonathan Butz: No, not when she enters to give input. She sometimes gives input that is not ... so incredibly self-indulgent.
[5:37:26 PM] Jonathan Butz: But it /gets/ self-indulgent often enough to be a thing which is identifies her.
[5:37:49 PM] Zuki: Okay to c/p last three lines?
[5:38:10 PM] Jonathan Butz: say "you often make it all about"
[5:38:14 PM] Jonathan Butz: it's not an always thing
[5:38:22 PM] Jonathan Butz: but it is an often thing
[5:38:35 PM] Jonathan Butz: and I'm aware enough to know that confirmation bias comes into play
[5:39:46 PM] Jonathan Butz: I get that she has a history of people that shouted her down or ignored her, so she fell into the habit of being in people's faces about things to force them to acknowledge her, her feelings, and her opinions
[5:40:01 PM] Jonathan Butz: but now it's flipped around the other way