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  1. [15:41] <alchemagician> a good TAS is like a heist
  2. [15:41] <@abahbob> lol kinda
  3. [15:41] <alchemagician> "wait, he shouldn't be able to do that!'
  4. [15:41] <alchemagician> "He's able to do that?"
  5. [15:41] <alchemagician> "WHAT"
  6. [15:41] <@abahbob> ah, that little slide seems nice
  7. [15:42] <alchemagician> my random guess is that if you dive down the slide, you may reproduce the effect
  8. [15:44] <alchemagician> you know what would be insane?
  9. [15:44] <@abahbob> huh
  10. [15:44] <alchemagician> A TAS with all figurines 100%
  11. [15:45] <alchemagician> the routing would SUCK
  12. [15:45] <@abahbob> i would honor the TASer who would do that
  13. [15:45] <@abahbob> and the router
  14. [15:45] <alchemagician> even if it was a shitty tas
  15. [15:46] <alchemagician> I mean, even a casual run of figurine% is just SILLY
  16. [15:46] <@abahbob> lol i love link just sittin there
  17. [15:46] <alchemagician> yup
  18. [15:46] <alchemagician> you had his knee in the wall a while back
  19. [15:47] <mastersource1> Hello good sir
  20. [15:48] <@abahbob> why hello
  21. [15:50] <@abahbob> this is the guy who pmed cosmo
  22. [15:50] <demoon9> what was his channel?
  23. [15:51] <mastersource1> hmm i dont get the new trick
  24. [15:51] <mastersource1> i just read and watched the video
  25. [15:51] <@abahbob> http://www.youtube.com/user/ForgoneMoose
  26. [15:51] <@abahbob> not quite the most reputable source
  27. [15:52] <@abahbob> but atleast shows some interest in speedruns
  28. [15:52] <mastersource1> that guy?
  29. [15:52] <mastersource1> hmm
  30. [15:52] <@abahbob> klydestorm logo on video lmao
  31. [15:53] <demoon9> lol
  32. [15:53] <@abahbob> he copied this video
  33. [15:53] <@abahbob> uploaded Aug 20, 2012
  34. [15:54] <alchemagician> lmao
  35. [15:54] <mastersource1> so we have a faker then
  36. [15:54] <@abahbob> still, the idea behind this storage crap seems interesting
  37. [15:55] <mastersource1> i guess
  38. [15:56] <@abahbob> but idk about it
  39. [15:56] <@abahbob> i'm starting to think about it more
  40. [15:56] <@abahbob> and it makes less and less sense
  41. [15:56] <mastersource1> that is what i think
  42. [15:57] <@abahbob> camera lock occurs because pulling the waker out gets stored
  43. [15:58] <demoon9> he should've showed us what it looked like
  44. [15:58] <@abahbob> hopefully we can get him to cough it up
  45. [15:58] <mastersource1> but is it more of a storage or a predetermined lock?
  46. [15:58] <@abahbob> i dont think its storage
  47. [15:59] <@abahbob> it seems like it would be canceling the animation for pulling the waker
  48. [15:59] <mastersource1> i dont believe so also
  49. [15:59] <@abahbob> or something
  50. [15:59] <mastersource1> maybe he will talk
  51. [16:01] <@abahbob> hopefully
  52. [16:02] <biglard> Hey abahbob, did you figure out why you couldn't eat anything before 9 AM ?
  53. [16:02] <@abahbob> nah
  54. [16:02] <@abahbob> my body just doesnt like food early
  55. [16:02] <@abahbob> Biglard follows me on twitter i guess
  56. [16:02] <biglard> Yeah ^^
  57. [16:02] <biglard> I found this weird
  58. [16:06] <mastersource1> looks like sig won
  59. [16:08] <@abahbob> huh
  60. [16:08] <mastersource1> sig won his 70 star race with honey
  61. [16:09] <biglard> I thought I got a message...
  62. [16:09] <@abahbob> lmao
  63. [16:09] <@abahbob> thats me
  64. [16:09] <biglard> But then realized skype wasn't even on :x
  65. [16:12] <mastersource1> hmm
  66. [16:12] <mastersource1> this would all have to be frame perfect
  67. [16:13] <mastersource1> maybe it was only a calculation glitch with the memory
  68. [16:13] <@abahbob> idk
  69. [16:14] <mastersource1> we have seen how great nintendo can code
  70. [16:14] <@abahbob> maybe its like that islet of steel bullshit
  71. [16:14] <@abahbob> HES IN IRC
  72. [16:14] <mastersource1> maybe
  73. [16:14] <mastersource1> \WinWaker/
  74. [16:15] <mastersource1> show the irc channel
  75. [16:15] <rider43> so u trying the new glitch eh
  76. [16:15] <mastersource1> i am not in the zelda one
  77. [16:16] <@abahbob> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg5uzqub6lM
  78. 01[16:16] <@abahbot> YouTube Video: Wind Waker - Superswim without Forest Water or tools?
  79. [16:17] <mastersource1> wow
  80. [16:17] <rider43> So if this works what could be accomplished
  81. [16:17] <mastersource1> ss without fw
  82. [16:17] <@abahbob> superswimming instead of KoRL for a couple parts
  83. [16:17] <mastersource1> would save time
  84. [16:17] <rider43> so its only useful for TAS or maybe Low%
  85. [16:18] <@abahbob> no
  86. [16:18] <@abahbob> TAS wouldn't use it
  87. [16:18] <demoon9> wind waker dive and slipped on the slope?
  88. [16:18] <@abahbob> maybe low%
  89. [16:18] <rider43> oh okay
  90. [16:19] <@abahbob> i don't believe this guy
  91. [16:19] <rider43> i can why
  92. [16:19] <iphiram> lol
  93. [16:21] <mastersource1> if that is a pic his setup is very strange
  94. [16:22] <rider43> huh there is stuff like that
  95. [16:22] <mastersource1> you have never seen windviewer?
  96. [16:23] <rider43> nope
  97. [16:23] <mastersource1> yeah that is windviewer, it lets you look at the map loadouts
  98. [16:23] <@abahbob> its sweet
  99. [16:23] <rider43> nice
  100. [16:23] <mastersource1> you can see angles of and clips of things
  101. [16:24] <rider43> so he went trhough the ledge?
  102. [16:24] <rider43> thats whats confusing me
  103. [16:24] <mastersource1> he can slide on it
  104. [16:25] <rider43> no the guy who did this
  105. [16:25] <mastersource1> and then go through it
  106. [16:25] <rider43> he slid on the ledge oh
  107. [16:25] <rider43> so he did a WW Dive after sliding
  108. [16:25] <mastersource1> yes
  109. [16:25] <rider43> wtf
  110. [16:25] <mastersource1> he slid and no clipped
  111. [16:25] <rider43> weird it seems possible
  112. [16:26] <mastersource1> well this camera lock does not look possible
  113. [16:26] <mastersource1> i believe the guy is lyin
  114. [16:29] <rider43> this doesnt seem liek it would help
  115. [16:29] <rider43> at all
  116. [16:31] <mastersource1> had to restart :(
  117. [16:31] <rider43> lol
  118. [16:31] <mastersource1> did i miss anything?
  119. [16:31] <rider43> no
  120. [16:31] <rider43> nothing amaxing
  121. [16:31] <rider43> amazing
  122. [16:32] <mastersource1> i don't think this is going to work, i think he is lying
  123. [16:32] <rider43> i believe only an emulator can really test it at the moment
  124. [16:32] <rider43> its too hard to recreate on a console
  125. [16:32] <unize> why did took a picture at this point and none after ?
  126. [16:32] <rider43> so he went there after
  127. [16:32] <rider43> i think
  128. [16:33] <unize> yeah ok
  129. [16:33] <unize> so it's not very precise i think
  130. [16:34] <alchemagician> I left about an hour ago
  131. [16:34] <alchemagician> any success?
  132. [16:34] <@abahbob> got contact with the guy
  133. [16:34] <mastersource1> fake!
  134. [16:34] <alchemagician> well that's somethin
  135. 03[16:34] * jtv sets mode: -o masterc95
  136. [16:36] <rider43> is everyone trying this or something
  137. [16:36] <rider43> o.o
  138. [16:36] <taylortotftw> all those lines Kreygasm
  139. [16:36] <rider43> ^
  140. [16:37] <rider43> was he on english or Japanese?
  141. [16:37] <@abahbob> english
  142. [16:37] <rider43> okay
  143. [16:37] <rider43> right of the vertex? does that really make a difference
  144. [16:38] <rider43> hidden plaform lol
  145. 03[16:38] * jtv sets mode: +o indextic
  146. [16:39] <mastersource1> it will make a difference
  147. [16:39] <rider43> that means it had to be completely perfect
  148. [16:39] <mastersource1> well it would be frame perfect
  149. [16:39] <rider43> making it really hard for anyone to do
  150. [16:40] <mastersource1> but looking at windviewer there really is not much to say this will work
  151. 03[16:40] * jtv sets mode: +o cosmowright
  152. [16:40] <@abahbob> i'm thinking the dive off the slide slope does it
  153. [16:40] <rider43> okay try it!
  154. 03[16:41] * jtv sets mode: -o indextic
  155. [16:41] <mastersource1> why the side? that changes the animation?
  156. [16:41] <rider43> he said no notes
  157. [16:41] <rider43> just fall o.o
  158. [16:42] <rider43> dont u need 1 note to fall?
  159. [16:42] <mastersource1> link puts the ww away right away
  160. [16:42] <rider43> without him pressing anything?
  161. [16:42] <mastersource1> yes and the camera gets very close to him
  162. [16:43] <@abahbob> he said one fall....
  163. [16:43] <@abahbob> this... sucks
  164. [16:43] <rider43> doesnt seem right
  165. [16:43] <@abahbob> if anything, its RAM shit
  166. [16:43] <rider43> LOL
  167. [16:43] <rider43> so its just him?
  168. [16:43] <mastersource1> there is no way you can trigger a ss wit this
  169. [16:43] <mastersource1> like i said before a memory glitch
  170. [16:43] <rider43> true
  171. [16:43] <mastersource1> that is all it ways
  172. [16:44] <rider43> there are no off points or what no
  173. [16:44] <rider43> did he do it on a computer?
  174. [16:44] <@abahbob> console
  175. [16:44] <rider43> Wii or GC
  176. [16:45] <@abahbob> probably A) disk messing up. B) RAM error, like what we assume happens in Islet of Steel with Cosmo sometimes
  177. [16:45] <@abahbob> B )
  178. [16:45] <@abahbob> not B)
  179. [16:45] <rider43> lol i rememebr that
  180. [16:45] <@abahbob> ForgoneMoose This was done on an ordinary console and all of that, sorry for forgetting to mention that.
  181. [16:45] <rider43> Cosmo what weird glitches in one of his runs
  182. [16:45] <rider43> hilarious
  183. [16:46] <mastersource1> Memory glitch
  184. [16:46] <mastersource1> cosmo can get a graphic glitch
  185. [16:46] <rider43> lol only happened once
  186. [16:46] <mastersource1> the AA screws up
  187. [16:46] <@abahbob> i think it was 3 tiems
  188. [16:46] <@abahbob> atleast 2 were recorded
  189. [16:46] <rider43> o.o
  190. [16:46] <@abahbob> and he had 1 that was just a FF1 iirc
  191. [16:46] <mastersource1> i will get you a link rider43
  192. [16:46] <rider43> no is aw it
  193. [16:46] <rider43> i watched the run
  194. [16:47] <@abahbob> ForgoneMoose It's a Wii from around launch date, so about five years. There haven't been any problems with it at all.
  195. [16:47] <rider43> maybe he soft modded it
  196. [16:47] <rider43> and perhaps it messed it up
  197. [16:49] <simide> Wind waker dive
  198. [16:50] <mastersource1> this is what cosmo gets https://twitter.com/#!/cosmowright/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2F9UWyvy7k
  199. [16:50] <@abahbob> i wouldn't say its the softmodded
  200. [16:50] <@abahbob> Cosmo plays on Wii, correct?
  201. [16:50] <mastersource1> yes wii
  202. [16:50] <rider43> yes
  203. [16:50] <rider43> Cosmo also has a hack for JP
  204. [16:51] <rider43> no region lock
  205. [16:51] <mastersource1> all the hack does it change his region
  206. [16:51] <@abahbob> yeah ik that hack
  207. [16:51] <rider43> but cosmo had a GC disc
  208. [16:51] <rider43> maybe that makes a difference on a wii?
  209. [16:52] <mastersource1> you cant vc this game
  210. [16:52] <rider43> No
  211. [16:52] <rider43> maybe wii recognizing the disc had something to do with it
  212. [16:52] <rider43> its a GC disc not a wii disc
  213. [16:52] <rider43> just saying
  214. [16:52] <mastersource1> maybe a bad read
  215. [16:53] <rider43> saem for this guy
  216. [16:53] <rider43> he used a GC ddisc as well
  217. [16:53] <mastersource1> but if anything for it to glitch the game it would happen in the ram or memory
  218. [16:53] <@abahbob> if anything i would expect it on GC, not WII
  219. [16:53] <@abahbob> cuz it loads slower
  220. [16:53] <rider43> o.o
  221. [16:53] <mastersource1> but the algorithm is still the same
  222. [16:54] <@abahbob> yeah yeah
  223. [16:54] <@abahbob> i'm just thinking about the MP crash
  224. [16:54] <rider43> its probably just like cosmo's stuff
  225. [16:54] <mastersource1> i think this if a one time glitch if it even happened at all
  226. [16:55] <@abahbob> i need to get it
  227. [16:55] <@abahbob> so Cosmo will do TWW again
  228. [16:55] <mastersource1> lol
  229. [16:55] <rider43> this glitch?
  230. [16:55] <mastersource1> cosmo is on BK now
  231. [16:55] <rider43> ^
  232. [16:55] <rider43> or Super reset ball
  233. [16:56] <@abahbob> then someone will take his record
  234. [16:56] <mastersource1> if someone does then he will go back
  235. [16:56] <rider43> only demon is close enough
  236. [16:56] <rider43> at this point
  237. [16:56] <mastersource1> but cosmo had a perfect run
  238. [16:56] <mastersource1> something new has to be found for him to even look
  239. [16:56] <rider43> o.o the JP one?
  240. [16:56] <alchemagician> a perfect run WITH BAD CYCLONE
  241. [16:57] <@abahbob> and a bonk
  242. [16:57] <rider43> the JP mirrored caclulated he couldve saved 5 minutes
  243. [16:57] <alchemagician> lol
  244. [16:57] <rider43> or 6 i forget
  245. [16:57] <mastersource1> 1/8 is hard think to do
  246. [16:57] <rider43> 1 minute based on skill no RNG
  247. [17:01] <@abahbob> bleh
  248. [17:01] <@abahbob> i want an orb
  249. [17:01] <@abahbob> but w/e
  250. [17:01] <mastersource1> back
  251. [17:01] <rider43> lol
  252. [17:01] <rider43> seems like this is fake or just him
  253. [17:01] <mastersource1> the only way your going to get anything with this is if you can edit the memory
  254. [17:03] <@abahbob> i still like this
  255. [17:03] <rider43> LOL
  256. [17:03] <rider43> what just happned
  257. [17:03] <@abahbob> best ww dive ever
  258. [17:04] <rider43> u shoiuld do BoG with that
  259. [17:04] <mastersource1> lol
  260. [17:04] <@abahbob> there is something wrong with doing BoG with that
  261. [17:04] <@abahbob> actually
  262. [17:04] <@abahbob> interesting idea
  263. [17:04] <rider43> oh
  264. [17:06] <@abahbob> i'm just bored now
  265. [17:07] <mastersource1> yeah your not going to get it
  266. [17:07] <rider43> lol
  267. [17:07] <rider43> lets do some TAS
  268. [17:08] <@abahbob> sweet
  269. [17:10] <mastersource1> large hit box
  270. [17:12] <mastersource1> quite a bit of people in here today
  271. [17:12] <@abahbob> meh
  272. [17:12] <@abahbob> decent amount
  273. [17:13] <mastersource1> more then normal
  274. [17:14] <zlamp> Have you managed to bounce off the beige piece of terrain
  275. [17:14] <zlamp> While diving?
  276. [17:14] <@abahbob> huh?
  277. [17:23] <@abahbob> who votes on being trolled?
  278. [17:23] <zlamp> I'm considering...
  279. [17:23] <zlamp> It just seems halfway plausible :(
  280. [17:24] <zlamp> I'm gonna try one thing more then I'll quit
  281. [17:26] <zlamp> Ok here you have TAS tools, I'll just tell you what I'm thinking
  282. [17:27] <zlamp> See how there's a seam where the grade of the beige piece changes?
  283. [17:27] <@abahbob> yup
  284. [17:27] <zlamp> And it gets like supersteed
  285. [17:27] <zlamp> steep*
  286. [17:28] <@abahbob> yup
  287. [17:28] <zlamp> Basically what I am thinking is that the skid trigger is on the more gently sloping piece
  288. [17:28] <zlamp> And hitting the very edge of that would prove one way or the other
  289. [17:28] <mastersource1> i vote your eing trolled
  290. [17:29] <humarness> what is this?
  291. [17:30] <@abahbob> oh btw he is reading this chat if you didn't know
  292. [17:31] <humarness> what is this what are you doing?
  293. [17:31] <zlamp> Yeah hmm
  294. [17:34] <mastersource1> what is he going to do go after me?
  295. [17:34] <mastersource1> 8)
  296. [17:34] <mastersource1> 8-)
  297. [17:34] <@abahbob> lmao you're such an ass
  298. 03[17:35] * jtv sets mode: +o mastersource1
  299. [17:36] <zlamp> Abahbob
  300. [17:36] <zlamp> Try putting it away manually
  301. [17:36] <zlamp> Just as you hit the slippery bit
  302. [17:37] <zlamp> er wait
  303. [17:37] <zlamp> forget that
  304. [17:37] <@abahbob> what the hell
  305. [17:37] <frafabowa> :OOOOOOOOO
  306. [17:38] <zlamp> What the pissdick
  307. [17:38] <andzura> can you do anything now?
  308. [17:38] <zlamp> How did you do that
  309. [17:38] <@abahbob> put it away
  310. [17:38] <zlamp> While you were stopped?
  311. [17:39] <@abahbob> kinda
  312. [17:39] <zlamp> God damn this is weird
  313. [17:40] <demoon9> wtf
  314. [17:40] <zlamp> Conduct
  315. [17:44] <@abahbob> this is fucked up
  316. [17:44] <demoon9> uhh
  317. [17:44] <zlamp> Bahaha
  318. [17:44] <zlamp> oh man
  319. [17:44] <demoon9> wow
  320. [17:44] <zlamp> dat freeze
  321. [17:44] <zlamp> That's old though
  322. [17:45] <zlamp> But I think if you could cancel as you bump the ledge you'd have it
  323. [17:48] <@abahbob> lmao
  324. [17:49] <@abahbob> double WW dive
  325. [17:49] <@abahbob> so epic
  326. [17:49] <zlamp> Hahaha
  327. [17:50] <frafabowa> Are you doing this off one of your tas savestates or just a normal one?
  328. [17:50] <zlamp> Man that grapple
  329. [17:50] <@abahbob> just a normal savestate
  330. [17:50] <zlamp> Lool
  331. [17:51] <andzura> got it !!
  332. [17:52] <frafabowa> is it a frame perfect thing
  333. [17:52] <@abahbob> eyup
  334. [17:52] <frafabowa> uggh
  335. [17:52] <@mastersource1> hello
  336. [17:52] <demoon9> oh wow
  337. [17:52] <frafabowa> so this does nothing with the run
  338. [17:52] <@mastersource1> hey cosmo
  339. [17:52] <zlamp> My god
  340. [17:52] <@abahbob> mastersource
  341. [17:52] <@abahbob> apologize to him
  342. [17:52] <zlamp> ^
  343. [17:52] <@mastersource1> hey I am mod?
  344. [17:52] <andzura> i found something to make this easier
  345. [17:53] <demoon9> damn
  346. [17:53] <demoon9> so how does it work?
  347. [17:53] <@mastersource1> I am sorry for saying what I said :(
  348. [17:53] <frafabowa> Now, we're into the era of sequence breaks in ww
  349. [17:53] <zlamp> Andzura, what did you find?
  350. [17:53] <frafabowa> not just room skips
  351. [17:54] <@mastersource1> There are a lot of fakes and i thought you were trying to fake it to get your name out, I am sorry for saying what I said
  352. [17:54] <andzura> just play ballad of gales while " no HUD ww" and then mash ww
  353. [17:54] <@mastersource1> brb
  354. 03[17:55] * jtv sets mode: -o mastersource1
  355. 03[17:55] * jtv sets mode: +o mastersource1
  356. [17:55] <@mastersource1> see I am sorry
  357. [17:55] <zlamp> Now
  358. [17:55] <zlamp> What about
  359. [17:56] <zlamp> Other applications
  360. [17:56] <zlamp> Are there other skid ledges like this that you can hit in the same way?
  361. [17:56] <@abahbob> fing it on other places
  362. [17:56] <@abahbob> find*
  363. [17:56] <@abahbob> then get Cosmo to play TWW again
  364. [17:56] <@mastersource1> lol
  365. [17:57] <zlamp> Also Abahbob ould u explain it
  366. [17:57] <zlamp> I don't get asfter the no-HUD
  367. [17:57] <zlamp> after*
  368. [17:59] <frafabowa> Can you ww dive at pirate windfall to password skip?
  369. [17:59] <@mastersource1> not sure yet
  370. [17:59] <frafabowa> Trying to think of ways this could sequence break
  371. [17:59] <frafabowa> besides making you go faster
  372. [18:00] <@mastersource1> very early stages right now
  373. [18:00] <frafabowa> :O
  374. [18:01] <@abahbob> storage...
  375. [18:01] <@mastersource1> it is possible for a sequence break but we have to find what frame it is on first
  376. [18:01] <@abahbob> bye bye TWW
  377. [18:01] <zlamp> WAIT
  378. [18:01] <@mastersource1> lol
  379. [18:01] <zlamp> WHAT
  380. [18:01] <@abahbob> yup
  381. [18:01] <@mastersource1> wrong warps here we come
  382. [18:01] <frafabowa> FWLess Storage, does this mean you have to restart the tas?
  383. [18:02] <@abahbob> i believe so
  384. 03[18:02] * jtv sets mode: +o kirkq
  385. [18:03] <frafabowa> Can the ballad of gales be gotten without bow?
  386. [18:03] <@abahbob> no
  387. [18:03] <@mastersource1> next big thing BS!! lol
  388. [18:04] <forgonemoose> Can you try and get it again? I'm recording ATM, sorry
  389. [18:04] <@mastersource1> need to still figure out the frame
  390. [18:05] <zlamp> Abahbob
  391. [18:05] <zlamp> Is it just exiting the no-HUD that gets you storage?
  392. 03[18:05] * jtv sets mode: +o elminster45
  393. [18:06] <andzura> exiting and pull out ww again
  394. [18:06] <@abahbob> yup
  395. 03[18:06] * jtv sets mode: +o qwerty1605
  396. [18:06] <@qwerty1605> orb orb orb
  397. [18:06] <@qwerty1605> errr
  398. [18:06] <@qwerty1605> storage
  399. 03[18:06] * jtv sets mode: +o goldenboy6392
  400. [18:06] <@elminster45> holy shit
  401. [18:07] <zlamp> So basically
  402. [18:07] <zlamp> Now we need to find other methods of no-HUD!
  403. [18:07] <@mastersource1> lol
  404. [18:07] <zlamp> Which I guess...
  405. [18:08] <frafabowa> lolwhat
  406. [18:08] <zlamp> Abahbob, try this: cancel as you hit water
  407. [18:08] <zlamp> Idk
  408. [18:08] <zlamp> Wait how'd you just do it
  409. [18:08] <@abahbob> it works on landing anywhere
  410. [18:08] <@abahbob> ANYWHERE
  411. [18:08] <@qwerty1605> so
  412. [18:09] <zlamp> Oh my god
  413. [18:09] <@qwerty1605> how much does this change?
  414. [18:09] <frafabowa> Cutscenes will probably be much shorter
  415. [18:09] <@mastersource1> a lot possible
  416. [18:09] <frafabowa> because you can store stuff?
  417. [18:09] <@mastersource1> you just have to fined the slope
  418. [18:10] <@abahbob> its storage
  419. [18:10] <frafabowa> So it's not storageless superswim, it's fwless storage?
  420. [18:10] <@qwerty1605> does this mean that low% tww doesn't have to do that hour long zombie hover?
  421. [18:10] <zlamp> Frafa
  422. [18:10] <@abahbob> low% just needs waker
  423. [18:10] <zlamp> One's as good as
  424. [18:10] <zlamp> aughghgh
  425. [18:11] <@mastersource1> lol
  426. [18:11] <@cosmowright> bottle skip low% lol
  427. [18:11] <zlamp> You know you can used pots and bombs too right abah
  428. [18:11] <zlamp> Omfg
  429. [18:11] <zlamp> kugrkrthkjh
  430. [18:11] <@abahbob> there is no need for forest water anymore
  431. [18:11] <@abahbob> this game...
  432. [18:11] <@abahbob> oh my god
  433. [18:11] <@cosmowright> yea you can dive off anywhere with bombs I think
  434. [18:11] <zlamp> It's gone
  435. [18:11] <zlamp> Yes
  436. [18:11] <@abahbob> cosmo, you going to play TWW again?
  437. [18:11] <zlamp> Bombs or bots
  438. [18:11] <zlamp> potas
  439. [18:11] <@cosmowright> abah go skip FW BK
  440. [18:11] <kyoki64> this game seems pretty cool
  441. [18:11] <@cosmowright> looks like ur already on it
  442. [18:12] <zlamp> I'm still absorbing this
  443. [18:13] <@abahbob> my heart is beating like crazy
  444. [18:13] <@mastersource1> things do change now
  445. [18:13] <mapler90210> you know the stream only shows like half the game, right?
  446. [18:13] <kyoki64> the guy who found this is super cool
  447. [18:13] <@abahbob> ik
  448. [18:13] <zlamp> Yes
  449. [18:13] <@abahbob> pretty much he found it, but accidentaly pulled the waker and thought that was it
  450. [18:13] <dlh112> wait what was found? the superswim was replicated?
  451. [18:13] <zlamp> Forgonemoose deserves a shrine now
  452. [18:13] <zlamp> Fucking
  453. [18:14] <kyoki64> storage pretty much anywhere was found
  454. [18:14] <dlh112> O_O
  455. [18:14] <mapler90210> how?
  456. [18:14] <tbrx> so how much does this break the game
  457. [18:14] <kyoki64> and you don't have to wait 20 mins
  458. [18:14] <@mastersource1> Forgonemoose found a glitch that did ss, abagbob is trying to figure it out and found that it changed the memory
  459. [18:14] <kyoki64> you cancel the ww before you hit the ground
  460. [18:15] <@mastersource1> just read http://forums.zeldaspeedruns.com/index.php?topic=78.msg20865#msg20865
  461. [18:15] <tbrx> what's with the really bad screen region
  462. [18:15] <@mastersource1> he will fix it don't worrie
  463. [18:15] <tbrx> there we go lol
  464. [18:15] <@abahbob> bleh
  465. [18:15] <@abahbob> i need a WW dive here
  466. [18:15] <zlamp> Use bomb
  467. [18:16] <zlamp> Put bomb on chest
  468. [18:16] <@abahbob> bleh i was hoping no bombs
  469. [18:16] <zlamp> Push yrself down
  470. [18:16] <zlamp> Oh
  471. [18:16] <@cosmowright> i forget does it need t obe in this room
  472. [18:16] <demoon9> otherwise you store the doors
  473. [18:16] <demoon9> I guess
  474. [18:17] <@cosmowright> bombs means no BK skip for console
  475. [18:17] <@elminster45> the room on the way back from the boomerang
  476. [18:17] <zlamp> Yeah or another room w/chest
  477. [18:17] <@elminster45> does that have a chest?
  478. [18:17] <zlamp> Abah
  479. [18:17] <zlamp> Can you keep it thru a warp pot?
  480. [18:17] <@abahbob> wow
  481. [18:17] <@abahbob> thats it
  482. [18:17] <@elminster45> holy fuck
  483. [18:17] <kyoki64> yes
  484. [18:17] <@mastersource1> hmm
  485. [18:17] <zlamp> God DAMN
  486. [18:17] <andzura> holyshit
  487. [18:17] <demoon9> awesome
  488. [18:18] <kyoki64> this is amazing
  489. [18:18] <inntrre> i don't rly understand but cool!@
  490. [18:18] <@mastersource1> and there we go fokes
  491. [18:18] <@elminster45> bk skip saves most time with the bomb anyway
  492. [18:18] <@abahbob> so
  493. [18:18] <baconwash> rip ww
  494. [18:18] <@elminster45> for boomerang skip
  495. [18:18] <@elminster45> so w/e
  496. [18:18] <@abahbob> now what to test?
  497. [18:18] <mapler90210> so all you do is WW dive and cancel before hitting the ground?
  498. [18:18] <kyoki64> i wonder when people will hate this trick
  499. [18:18] <zlamp> Abah
  500. [18:18] <@abahbob> lol now they will
  501. [18:18] <demoon9> low% will be intresting lol
  502. [18:18] <zlamp> Can you keep hest stroage through a warp pot?
  503. [18:18] <zlamp> That might eliminate bombs?
  504. [18:18] <@elminster45> well, single segment is a bit less stupid :p
  505. [18:18] <@abahbob> dont think so
  506. [18:18] <zlamp> :/
  507. [18:18] <@cosmowright> lol
  508. [18:19] <@cosmowright> hmm
  509. [18:19] <zlamp> Ok lemme think...
  510. [18:19] <@cosmowright> superswim anywhere is an interesting thing
  511. [18:19] <@abahbob> cosmo, you better go back to TWW
  512. [18:19] <tbrx> hahaha
  513. [18:19] <tbrx> "One more run"
  514. [18:19] <zlamp> Try...Canceling sail like this?
  515. [18:19] <frafabowa> Get storage in hyrule and try to silent realm through the barrier
  516. [18:19] <@cosmowright> FH -> Greatfish, plant pearl -> outset no cyclone possibly
  517. [18:19] <zlamp> :/
  518. [18:19] <zlamp> Idk
  519. [18:19] <@abahbob> lmao screw cyclones
  520. [18:19] <zlamp> Oh my god
  521. [18:19] <mapler90210> so how do you actually do it?
  522. [18:19] <zlamp> This means...
  523. [18:20] <@elminster45> new players will pick this up and get better times
  524. [18:20] <@elminster45> cosmo will attempt to learn the new route and get bored
  525. [18:20] <demoon9> You cancel a wind waker dive at the right frame
  526. [18:20] <@elminster45> and go back to playing bk
  527. [18:20] <@elminster45> :P
  528. [18:20] <zlamp> Mapler, you cncel WW a few frames before you land for a dive
  529. [18:20] <zlamp> On land that is
  530. [18:20] <mapler90210> ah, okay
  531. [18:20] <tbrx> so it's not frame perfect then?
  532. [18:20] <@abahbob> its 1 frame
  533. [18:20] <zlamp> At least I think you gotta land on land
  534. [18:20] <tbrx> okay so it is
  535. [18:21] <@elminster45> so its not landing on a skid slope
  536. [18:21] <@elminster45> its just landing that you need
  537. [18:21] <@elminster45> and the right frame
  538. [18:21] <@elminster45> ?
  539. [18:21] <@abahbob> its anywhere
  540. [18:21] <zlamp> No Elm
  541. [18:21] <zlamp> It's anywhere
  542. [18:21] <@abahbob> its ANYWHERE
  543. [18:21] <@mastersource1> frame perfect
  544. [18:21] <@elminster45> any wind waker dive
  545. [18:21] <@mastersource1> anywhere that has some kind of slope
  546. [18:21] <frafabowa> Amazing how storage, superswim, and windwaker dive are all the same glitch
  547. [18:21] <zlamp> Any one onto solid ground Elm
  548. [18:21] <@elminster45> ok
  549. [18:21] <kyoki64> you don't need a slope
  550. [18:22] <kyoki64> bombs can give you a ww dive
  551. [18:22] <@abahbob> meh
  552. [18:22] <@mastersource1> true
  553. [18:22] <@elminster45> im kind of interested in early game wind waker dives that you can do without bombs at least
  554. [18:22] <@elminster45> ugh wait you actually need the wind waker
  555. [18:22] <@elminster45> fuck
  556. [18:23] <frafabowa> Hmm... Could there be some way to do this with like an item from one of the bags?
  557. [18:23] <zlamp> ^
  558. [18:23] <@abahbob> um
  559. [18:23] <@elminster45> you can pear dive, cna't you?
  560. [18:23] <@abahbob> perhaps on the bottom of the ocean
  561. [18:23] <axon64> what is this glitch exactly
  562. [18:24] <zlamp> Storage anywhere
  563. [18:24] <zlamp> No FW
  564. [18:24] <@elminster45> storage without forest water
  565. [18:24] <@elminster45> not totally anywhere
  566. [18:24] <axon64> shit nice
  567. [18:24] <inntrre> what does storage mean though
  568. [18:24] <axon64> does that mean superswimming on console is now viable or what
  569. [18:24] <@elminster45> need a wind waker dive onto land
  570. [18:24] <@abahbob> yup
  571. [18:24] <@elminster45> or something similar
  572. [18:25] <@elminster45> it looks technically more difficult than the forest water method
  573. [18:25] <@abahbob> still
  574. [18:25] <zlamp> ^
  575. [18:25] <@elminster45> yeah i know
  576. [18:26] <@elminster45> its gonna make more possible, but its not gonna make things any easier
  577. [18:26] <@elminster45> oh well
  578. [18:26] <zlamp> Gonna make shit harder :(
  579. [18:26] <zlamp> Anyway
  580. [18:26] <@abahbob> so much more possible
  581. [18:26] <zlamp> So let's se
  582. [18:26] <@mastersource1> only easier if you get ot
  583. [18:26] <zlamp> DRC, ET
  584. [18:26] <@mastersource1> it
  585. [18:26] <zlamp> Well actually idk about ET
  586. [18:27] <zlamp> Do ET or WT have chests close to the end?
  587. [18:27] <@abahbob> idk
  588. [18:27] <@elminster45> et has uhh
  589. [18:27] <@elminster45> floormaster small key
  590. [18:27] <tbrx> what's your HW setup? Dual Core or Quad?
  591. [18:27] <@elminster45> and i think there's a chest in a side room off of the bk puzzle
  592. [18:28] <tbrx> or 6-8?
  593. [18:28] <@elminster45> wt has... the treasure chart you get for killing everything after the second small key door
  594. [18:28] <@elminster45> pretty shitty
  595. [18:28] <x_dominatus_x> Someone sent me here saying R.I.P TWW new glitch......What is this new glitch?
  596. [18:28] <@abahbob> storage anywhere without forest water
  597. [18:28] <tbrx> oh nevermind there's your CPU Kappa
  598. [18:28] <tbrx> dat i5
  599. [18:28] <x_dominatus_x> How?
  600. 03[18:29] * jtv sets mode: -o kirkq
  601. [18:29] <inntrre> what does storage mean
  602. [18:29] <@abahbob> !define storage
  603. 01[18:29] <@abahbot> Storage: Pulling the wind waker on the same frame as forest water expires activates storage. With this, cutscenes can either be stored, interupted, or cancled. This is used in tricks like the Forbidden Woods Boss Key skip.
  604. [18:29] <@abahbob> fuck me
  605. [18:29] <@abahbob> gotta update that now
  606. [18:29] <tbrx> lol
  607. [18:29] <x_dominatus_x> So how we we get it without the water?
  608. [18:29] <@mastersource1> you dont need the water anymore
  609. [18:30] <@abahbob> like that
  610. [18:30] <@mastersource1> just a ww dive
  611. [18:30] <@mastersource1> the is it, hear it?
  612. [18:30] <x_dominatus_x> wait really?
  613. [18:31] <@abahbob> yup
  614. [18:31] <@abahbob> that sucks
  615. [18:32] <skalaimaar> So, this game is broken now?
  616. [18:32] <@cosmowright> abah u should try ocean floor
  617. [18:32] <@elminster45> you could already wind waker dive into diamond steppe though, couldn't you
  618. [18:32] <@abahbob> there is nothing to dive off of
  619. [18:33] <@abahbob> you need a silly fast SS to get in
  620. [18:33] <turbojesus> can u skip barrier yet
  621. [18:33] <@abahbob> and okay cosmo
  622. [18:33] <@elminster45> cerpin kept telling me there was
  623. [18:33] <@abahbob> almost
  624. [18:33] <@abahbob> oh, idk then
  625. [18:33] <x_dominatus_x> Hay Cosmo.
  626. [18:33] <@elminster45> and he kept begging me to race ghost ship char
  627. [18:33] <@elminster45> t
  628. [18:33] <turbojesus> holy shit
  629. [18:33] <zlamp> Elm
  630. [18:33] <turbojesus> DID U JUST SAY ALMOST?
  631. [18:33] <turbojesus> HOLY SHIT
  632. [18:33] <zlamp> You have to cyclone jump
  633. [18:33] <zlamp> With KORL
  634. [18:33] <lightmypath> whats wrong with this game?
  635. [18:33] <lightmypath> how did he glitch this game
  636. [18:33] <@elminster45> what is a cyclone jump
  637. [18:33] <@abahbob> lemme cancel this chest storage
  638. [18:33] <zlamp> Get out of boat, leaf into cyclone
  639. [18:34] <@cosmowright> leaf into cyclone yea
  640. [18:34] <@elminster45> oh
  641. [18:34] <zlamp> You can barely get on Diamond Steppe that way
  642. [18:34] <@elminster45> oh ok
  643. [18:34] <zlamp> Then you can WW dive from the lowest part
  644. [18:34] <@elminster45> and then if you messed up ww dive it was gg?
  645. [18:34] <zlamp> And use water to tele you up
  646. [18:35] <@elminster45> btw cerpin
  647. [18:35] <zlamp> ?
  648. [18:35] <@elminster45> do you know how to wind waker dive into mother isle
  649. [18:35] <zlamp> Ummm
  650. [18:35] <zlamp> Wait for water-lower, bombdive?
  651. [18:35] <frafabowa> What's Ocean Floor?
  652. [18:35] <@elminster45> oh :x
  653. [18:35] <zlamp> Frafa basically there is a solid floor deep underwater
  654. [18:36] <zlamp> If you CD-stream to an area like FF2 where the water deloads
  655. [18:36] <zlamp> And you get out of your boat
  656. [18:36] <zlamp> You fall and hit ground
  657. [18:38] <@abahbob> idk about underwater
  658. [18:39] <@abahbob> seems like 3 frames before hitting the ground
  659. [18:40] <skalaimaar> I assume barrier skip has already been tried...
  660. [18:41] <zlamp> Skala, I don't think that's possible yet...
  661. [18:41] <zlamp> Storage was already a thing
  662. [18:41] <zlamp> And you could technically do it in Hyrule
  663. [18:41] <@mastersource1> bs has not been tried yet
  664. [18:41] <skalaimaar> No, neither do I
  665. [18:42] <frafabowa> How does the barrier skip even work? Is the barrier just seen as a really thick wall, a completely different map, or is the rest of hyrule really just the barrier before you destroy it?
  666. [18:42] <frafabowa> barrier itself, not the skip
  667. [18:42] <@abahbob> 1 sec
  668. [18:42] <@abahbob> http://zeldaspeedruns.com/tww/Miscellaneous/barrier-skip
  669. [18:42] <@cosmowright> this shouldnt affect hyrule storage i think
  670. [18:42] <zlamp> Well, the barrier is a giant cylinder
  671. [18:42] <zlamp> With two layers
  672. [18:42] <@cosmowright> no difference from FW
  673. [18:42] <@cosmowright> forest water I mean
  674. [18:43] <zlamp> Yea
  675. [18:43] <@mastersource1> but we always thought fw was a key to bs
  676. [18:43] <aldelaro5> ok I just got the conversation in #zelda what is going on I dont understand what happenned?
  677. [18:44] <zlamp> Storage no FW was found
  678. [18:44] <@mastersource1> a new Storage glitch was found
  679. [18:44] <andzura> is there any chest in hyrule?
  680. [18:44] <zlamp> Not that I know of...
  681. [18:44] <@mastersource1> you can now do Storage with a ww dive
  682. [18:44] <@elminster45> it wouldn't matter even if there was a chest
  683. [18:44] <@cosmowright> to skip barrier with storage you need a door
  684. [18:44] <@abahbob> lol
  685. [18:45] <@elminster45> need some smw mechanics up in this shit
  686. [18:45] <zlamp> Oh right
  687. [18:45] <@elminster45> figure out how to spawn a door
  688. [18:45] <zlamp> Lmao
  689. [18:45] <zlamp> My god I've missed stuff like this
  690. [18:45] <@abahbob> lol
  691. [18:45] <aldelaro5> omg what is this?
  692. [18:46] <demoon9> lol
  693. [18:46] <zlamp> Crazy finds are The Best
  694. [18:46] <cronikeys> i like glitches
  695. [18:46] <zlamp> I could just forget speedrunning forever if we had stuff like this to do more
  696. [18:46] <biglard> I've been wondering, what does the V in VPS stand for ?
  697. [18:47] <zlamp> Need to frame advance that shit
  698. [18:48] <cronikeys> FPS = frames drawn per second (by GPU). VPS = maximum number of frames possible per second based on CPU
  699. [18:48] <@abahbob> well there is still a barrier
  700. [18:49] <@mastersource1> :(
  701. [18:49] <@mastersource1> it is a start
  702. [18:50] <biglard> I knew about fps but thanks cronikeys !
  703. [18:50] <vulpone> lol
  704. [18:50] <zlamp> Aha!
  705. [18:50] <footbigmike> Isn't the barrier actually super-huge, though?
  706. [18:50] <frafabowa> ForgoneMoose, a novice WW speedrunner, was trying to WW dive into Forest Haven, but found he could lock the camera and start superswimming
  707. [18:51] <frafabowa> He spent a while wondering how it worked
  708. [18:51] <forgonemoose> That's pretty much it.
  709. [18:51] <frafabowa> then he told CosmoWright and Abahbob
  710. [18:51] <forgonemoose> It's mostly because Abahbob had the patience to humor me.
  711. [18:51] <frafabowa> Abahbob had this stream
  712. [18:51] <frafabowa> and tried testing it
  713. [18:51] <@elminster45> wait a sec
  714. [18:51] <wodahsr> what
  715. [18:52] <frafabowa> then he found he could make it so that he could enter a mode with ww without the interface
  716. [18:52] <@elminster45> you were inside the damage barrier but not through the actual physical blockade?
  717. [18:52] <@abahbob> yeah you can cancel it
  718. [18:52] <@elminster45> i have no idea whats going on here lol
  719. [18:52] <zlamp> Yea
  720. [18:52] <frafabowa> further testing
  721. [18:52] <zlamp> That's not hard
  722. [18:52] <frafabowa> made him realize that mode statrts storage
  723. [18:52] <zlamp> The damage wall can be gotten past byu bringing out the WW
  724. [18:52] <frafabowa> and then he's been testing random crap
  725. [18:52] <@cosmowright> yea fiercelinkmaster did that back in like 2007 lol
  726. [18:52] <@elminster45> oh
  727. [18:52] <@abahbob> lmao
  728. [18:52] <boipichu> Abahbob, did you know that you can superswim without storage?
  729. [18:52] <zlamp> wtf was that
  730. [18:52] <@abahbob> no of course not
  731. [18:52] <@elminster45> that was the creepiest thing i've ever seen in this game
  732. [18:52] <frafabowa> Yeah, but not on console
  733. [18:53] <boipichu> I just did it on console
  734. [18:53] <boipichu> Without tools
  735. [18:53] <@abahbob> its not like i've ever TASed before
  736. [18:53] <vulpone> ^ lol
  737. [18:53] <@abahbob> how
  738. [18:53] <boipichu> I was trying to wind waker dive
  739. [18:53] <gamestabled> i heard about this trick
  740. [18:53] <boipichu> and then I started super-swimming instead
  741. [18:53] <gamestabled> wtf?
  742. [18:53] <@elminster45> uhh...
  743. [18:53] <frafabowa> Basically what you did is activated storage
  744. [18:53] <frafabowa> then storageswimmed
  745. [18:53] <frafabowa> which is what abahob was told
  746. [18:53] <boipichu> Yeah, but no forest water
  747. [18:53] <frafabowa> Yeah, as was forgone
  748. [18:54] <subrava> Bullshit meter is pinging something
  749. [18:54] <subrava> What inputs were you giving during the SS?
  750. [18:54] <zlamp> God damn I don't wanna leave
  751. [18:54] <zlamp> But I have English test
  752. [18:54] <zlamp> Fuck me
  753. [18:54] <boipichu> I'll try to reproduce it
  754. [18:54] <frafabowa> If you started a Windwaker dive, then withdrew it 3 frames before you hit the ground
  755. [18:55] <@abahbob> i gotta eat real quick
  756. [18:55] <vulpone> lol
  757. [18:55] <@abahbob> 5 mins tops
  758. [18:55] <frafabowa> He's already reproduced it
  759. [18:56] <subrava> Well I'm late to the party then
  760. [18:56] <skalaimaar> Wish I could stay and watch the rest, but I have to leave :/
  761. [18:56] <frafabowa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMFwzTtSfCU&feature=plcp
  762. 01[18:56] <@abahbot> YouTube Video: Wind Waker - Storage Without Forest Water
  763. [18:57] <@elminster45> LOL
  764. [18:57] <frafabowa> which we learned as a result of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg5uzqub6lM&feature=watch_response_rev
  765. 01[18:57] <@abahbot> YouTube Video: Wind Waker - Superswim without Forest Water or tools? (UPDATED)
  766. [18:57] <footbigmike> uh oh
  767. [18:57] <vulpone> haha
  768. [18:57] <biglard> PICNIC
  769. [18:57] <caneofpacci> lol
  770. [18:57] <@elminster45> so i guess the game crashes if you wind waker dive too far here
  771. [18:57] <footbigmike> Yeah
  772. [18:57] <psymarth> wind waker officially broken
  773. [18:57] <@elminster45> does the game also crash if you zombie hover off the map?
  774. [18:58] <footbigmike> I wonder what happens if you pull it off on console
  775. [18:58] <@elminster45> cause i did that at a friend's house and got a disc read error
  776. [18:58] <@elminster45> lol
  777. [18:58] <vulpone> you're a good friend, elm
  778. [18:58] <zlamp> lol
  779. [18:58] <@elminster45> i know
  780. [18:59] <subrava> Well the game must not rollover your position coordinates
  781. [18:59] <subrava> So yeah, if you go way too far a Zombie Hover should crash
  782. [19:00] <biglard> That would be long though
  783. [19:05] <morenothings> whats up?
  784. [19:05] <@abahbob> lmao
  785. [19:05] <@abahbob> back
  786. [19:05] <@abahbob> dolphin XD
  787. [19:05] <forgonemoose> Well, I have to go now. Thanks Abahbob.
  788. [19:05] <koobes> good old game crashing
  789. [19:06] <@abahbob> cya forgone
  790. [19:06] <@abahbob> thanks a ton
  791. [19:06] <@abahbob> you broke TWW
  792. [19:06] <zlamp> I still can't even wrap my head around this
  793. [19:06] <subrava> So are you restarting the TAS?
  794. [19:06] <zlamp> I almost want to come back this game full time in some capacity now?
  795. [19:06] <@abahbob> me neither
  796. [19:06] <@abahbob> I'll have to restart
  797. [19:06] <wodahsr> well lets see what can happen
  798. [19:07] <vexadros> Hello
  799. [19:07] <zlamp> What am I hearing
  800. [19:07] <@abahbob> Yashi
  801. [19:07] <zlamp> Oh
  802. [19:07] <subrava> Now all you need is forest waterless door storage
  803. [19:08] <@abahbob> lmao
  804. [19:08] <zlamp> A ton of places
  805. [19:09] <@cosmowright> doorless door storage
  806. [19:09] <zlamp> ^
  807. [19:09] <@abahbob> lmao
  808. [19:09] <zlamp> Maybe something to mimic it?
  809. [19:09] <@abahbob> fun fun fun
  810. [19:09] <subrava> Would you even TAS this game if there was an easy way to get door storage?
  811. [19:09] <zlamp> Let's see
  812. [19:10] <zlamp> What are all the objects you can store in here?
  813. [19:10] <@abahbob> If we find barrier skip now...
  814. [19:10] <wodahsr> so will this be used pretty much everywhere now? Like I saw one BK skip so far...
  815. [19:10] <@cosmowright> cant do that BK skip right now for a run cause no bombs
  816. [19:10] <wodahsr> ah
  817. [19:10] <@abahbob> well
  818. [19:11] <@abahbob> could get bombs early now
  819. [19:11] <@abahbob> Kappa
  820. [19:11] <@elminster45> >_<
  821. [19:11] <subrava> What do the bombs have to do with the storage?
  822. [19:11] <@cosmowright> umm after sailing to dragonroost? haha
  823. [19:11] <zlamp> Yu can potpush in DRC
  824. [19:11] <@cosmowright> that is weird
  825. [19:11] <zlamp> Right?
  826. [19:11] <subrava> Do they push you off the chest?
  827. [19:11] <@elminster45> yeah subrava
  828. [19:11] <breenedandscrooned> could you use a tingle bomb?
  829. [19:11] <zlamp> Just potpush dive -> knight's crest chest
  830. [19:11] <x_dominatus_x> I just got back from eating who is talking?
  831. [19:11] <@abahbob> oh god
  832. [19:11] <@elminster45> you're hearing yashichidsf's stream
  833. [19:12] <@cosmowright> sail -> waker -> endless night -> bombs -> DRC -> FW -> nayru's pearl -> plant 3 pearls (superswim across ocean)
  834. [19:12] <@abahbob> double storage is now possible
  835. [19:12] <wodahsr> lets do triple storage!!!
  836. [19:12] <zlamp> Double storage?
  837. [19:12] <@elminster45> WHAT THE FUCK
  838. [19:12] <zlamp> Lol wut
  839. [19:12] <koobes> oh my
  840. [19:12] <zlamp> THis glitch is awesome
  841. [19:12] <@abahbob> oh my god
  842. [19:12] <@elminster45> so what does double storage mean you can do
  843. [19:12] <@elminster45> 2 storage effects at once or something?
  844. [19:12] <@cosmowright> lol
  845. [19:13] <@cosmowright> idk what im looking at
  846. [19:13] <@abahbob> chest storage + camera lock
  847. [19:13] <zlamp> Woah...
  848. [19:13] <@abahbob> that is god
  849. [19:13] <koobes> it means barrier skiip Kappa
  850. [19:13] <@elminster45> lol
  851. [19:13] <zlamp> Fucking
  852. 03[19:13] * jtv sets mode: -o goldenboy6392
  853. [19:13] <zlamp> akjkjrfilg
  854. [19:14] <subrava> Does double chest storage disjoint your hitbox even further
  855. [19:14] <@cosmowright> so
  856. [19:14] <@cosmowright> boomerang skip on console
  857. [19:14] <@abahbob> perhaps
  858. [19:14] <@abahbob> yup
  859. [19:14] <wodahsr> would that be worth it?
  860. [19:14] <wodahsr> what do you use rang for outside forest haven?
  861. [19:14] <@elminster45> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shit
  862. [19:15] <@cosmowright> im thinking of silly routes like
  863. [19:15] <@elminster45> you dont need rang for anything else really
  864. [19:15] <@cosmowright> waker -> storage superswim -> greatfish -> door storage password skip -> DRC
  865. [19:15] <@cosmowright> skip rang and BK in FW
  866. [19:16] <subrava> You can get the waker immediately from Outset?
  867. [19:16] <@elminster45> no...
  868. [19:16] <@cosmowright> endgame route may be different when u have soup in WT and no timer to worry about
  869. [19:16] <subrava> So the TAS thus far wouldn't be any different, right?
  870. [19:16] <@cosmowright> this ruins tas route
  871. [19:17] <@abahbob> yup
  872. [19:17] <@abahbob> fuck me
  873. [19:17] <koobes> :/
  874. [19:17] <subrava> You wouldn't go to FF1 right away?
  875. [19:17] <@abahbob> idk
  876. [19:17] <@elminster45> on console, you have to do all the normal outset shit and do ff1 first
  877. [19:17] <wodahsr> dont worry abahbob once a new tas route is made and you finish it, barrier skip will be found
  878. [19:17] <@abahbob> Cosmo, you think a new category?
  879. [19:17] <@elminster45> and then get sail and get wind waker
  880. [19:17] <@elminster45> and then break the game
  881. [19:18] <@cosmowright> no new category, that seems really stupid to me
  882. [19:18] <@cosmowright> should be same category
  883. [19:18] <@abahbob> lol
  884. [19:18] <frafabowa> No-Storage category would be exactly the same but you have to grind joy pendants
  885. [19:18] <@mastersource1> lol
  886. [19:18] <koobes> same category
  887. [19:18] <koobes> it just opens up more route options
  888. 03[19:18] * jtv sets mode: -o qwerty1605
  889. [19:18] <@cosmowright> yea
  890. [19:18] <subrava> any% july 2012 console route
  891. 03[19:18] * jtv sets mode: +o qwerty1605
  892. [19:18] <@elminster45> fuckin 2012ers
  893. [19:18] <wodahsr> fuckem
  894. [19:18] <jokeeeer> Cosmo sub 2 hour WW inc
  895. [19:18] <@cosmowright> weird routes are nows possible but i cant think of any good ones except maybe get a cleaner post wind temple
  896. [19:19] <koobes> it'll be interesting
  897. [19:19] <frafabowa> Imagine how much the game would be broken if you could use items in bait/spoils/delivery bag to store instead
  898. [19:19] <@abahbob> omg
  899. [19:19] <@abahbob> puzzle races!
  900. [19:19] <@elminster45> !!!!!!!!
  901. [19:19] <@cosmowright> lol
  902. [19:19] <frafabowa> you could start storing from the very beginning of the game
  903. [19:19] <wodahsr> 0_0
  904. [19:19] <koobes> oot so hard
  905. [19:20] <zlamp> Was bait storage or something found
  906. [19:20] <zlamp> While I was gone
  907. [19:20] <@abahbob> no?
  908. [19:20] <zlamp> Oh
  909. [19:20] <zlamp> Nvm
  910. [19:21] <frafabowa> What stream are you listending to?
  911. [19:21] <@abahbob> http://www.twitch.tv/yashichidsf
  912. [19:21] <caneofpacci> have you tried pear storage?
  913. [19:22] <alchemagician> this was completely real?
  914. [19:22] <@abahbob> yup
  915. [19:22] <alchemagician> sick
  916. [19:22] <gourmand> sup man
  917. [19:22] <gourmand> what did i just miss? just got here
  918. [19:22] <alchemagician> forest water-less storage
  919. [19:22] <alchemagician> this is big
  920. [19:23] <gourmand> OMG
  921. [19:23] <alchemagician> wind waker dive onto land
  922. [19:23] <alchemagician> cancel 3 frames before you hit
  923. [19:23] <alchemagician> STORAGE
  924. [19:23] <@elminster45> if pear dive works then uhhh...
  925. [19:23] <gourmand> yeah saw the post on the thread up there
  926. [19:23] <zlamp> Oh, cancel pear like that
  927. [19:23] <zlamp> Is there time enough anywhere :/
  928. [19:24] <andzura> get something weird , if you store the master sword CS you still have hero sword but master sword not here anymore and hyrule still black&white
  929. [19:24] <@cosmowright> you could cancel it on ocean floor
  930. [19:24] <zlamp> Oh good point
  931. [19:25] <zlamp> Anyway I have to go, good luck
  932. [19:25] <@abahbob> cya
  933. [19:25] <gourmand> cya
  934. [19:25] <alchemagician> who is it in tower of the gods?
  935. [19:26] <@elminster45> yashichidsf
  936. [19:26] <alchemagician> that name is a mouthful
  937. [19:27] <rider43> wait what is this?
  938. [19:27] <frafabowa> He's tryingsee if he can use bait or spoils to activate storage
  939. [19:27] <alchemagician> he's trying to get storage with a pear
  940. [19:27] <rider43> o.o
  941. [19:28] <@abahbob> lmao
  942. [19:28] <@abahbob> that worked
  943. [19:28] <@abahbob> ish
  944. [19:28] <rider43> who is speaking?
  945. [19:28] <frafabowa> Maybe you should try it with forest water first just to see if it's possible
  946. [19:28] <@abahbob> yashi
  947. [19:28] <alchemagician> wait
  948. [19:28] <alchemagician> did you get storage?
  949. [19:28] <@abahbob> kinda ish
  950. [19:29] <@mastersource1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMFwzTtSfCU&feature=plcp
  951. 01[19:29] <@abahbot> YouTube Video: Wind Waker - Storage Without Forest Water
  952. [19:29] <@abahbob> meh
  953. [19:29] <@abahbob> lemme make a good video
  954. [19:30] <rider43> so how useful is forest waterless storage?
  955. [19:30] <@abahbob> it breaks the game
  956. [19:30] <@abahbob> pretty much no more sailing
  957. [19:30] <rider43> but can u do it in an any% no TAS
  958. [19:30] <nook34> what's going on>
  959. [19:30] <nook34> ?\
  960. [19:30] <frafabowa> There is exactly two points in the game in which consoles will be doing it
  961. [19:30] <frafabowa> Going to dragon roost for the first time
  962. [19:30] <frafabowa> and getting triforce charts
  963. [19:31] <@elminster45> you can do it non-tas yes
  964. [19:31] <nook34> what's the new trick?
  965. [19:31] <rider43> but u need Waker which is at Dragon roost
  966. [19:31] <@elminster45> i believe you'd still sail to fire mountain and ice ring isle
  967. [19:31] <@abahbob> nah
  968. [19:31] <@abahbob> well
  969. [19:31] <@abahbob> kinda
  970. [19:31] <@abahbob> you can climb onto ice ring and freeze
  971. [19:31] <@elminster45> kinda?
  972. [19:31] <@abahbob> and KoRL is there
  973. [19:32] <@abahbob> fire mountain no
  974. [19:32] <@elminster45> oh
  975. [19:32] <@elminster45> what about
  976. [19:32] <@elminster45> getting ballad of gales
  977. [19:32] <rider43> records can now be broken again
  978. [19:32] <rider43> huzzah
  979. [19:32] <@elminster45> and bringing medli and makar to the temples
  980. [19:32] <subrava> Would it not be used to get to Forest Haven?
  981. [19:33] <@cosmowright> abah u should find a spot on dragonroost after pearl to activate this
  982. [19:33] <rider43> so we can possibly have a useable Forest haven BK SKip?
  983. [19:34] <@abahbob> yeah
  984. [19:34] <@abahbob> if you get bombs first
  985. [19:34] <rider43> finally
  986. [19:34] <alchemagician> so what are you working on at the moment? What is this test?
  987. [19:34] <@abahbob> video
  988. [19:34] <@abahbob> of the original method
  989. [19:35] <alchemagician> ok :D
  990. [19:35] <@cosmowright> abah find a spot dragonroost outside without bombs
  991. [19:35] <@mastersource1> Abahbob is making a video of the new storage glitch
  992. [19:35] <rider43> yay "D
  993. [19:35] <morenothings> so what can this storage glitch accomplish?
  994. [19:35] <rider43> :D
  995. [19:35] <rider43> many things
  996. [19:35] <rider43> many many things
  997. [19:35] <alchemagician> can you barrier skip with this?
  998. [19:35] <@mastersource1> a lot
  999. [19:35] <rider43> no barrier skip
  1000. [19:35] <rider43> its still BS
  1001. [19:35] <@mastersource1> no bs yet
  1002. [19:35] <alchemagician> :(
  1003. [19:35] <subrava> Fitting acronym
  1004. [19:35] <@mastersource1> but no more fw
  1005. [19:36] <rider43> Passsword skip is easier as well
  1006. [19:36] <morenothings> FW eliminated from runs?
  1007. [19:36] <rider43> right?
  1008. [19:36] <rider43> Caban is easier
  1009. [19:36] <alchemagician> perhaps FW is done
  1010. [19:36] <frafabowa> Speddrunners will be mad because half thie runs will be running and jumping off slopes trying to store things
  1011. [19:36] <rider43> ^
  1012. [19:36] <rider43> LOL
  1013. [19:36] <alchemagician> ^
  1014. [19:36] <rider43> having the perfect Run
  1015. [19:36] <rider43> depends on your reaction ability
  1016. [19:36] <@elminster45> password skip will use door storage (screen whiteout/blackout) instead of the leaf pot clip
  1017. [19:36] <rider43> and skill
  1018. [19:36] <@mastersource1> you can ss now
  1019. [19:37] <rider43> no more Sailing suckers
  1020. [19:37] <alchemagician> password skip was my favorite glitch Q.Q
  1021. [19:37] <@elminster45> you can see normally while pausing
  1022. [19:37] <rider43> Screw the red lions
  1023. [19:37] <@mastersource1> there may be a new any% wr soon
  1024. [19:37] <alchemagician> yes
  1025. [19:37] <rider43> Mastersource u a mod now o.o
  1026. [19:37] <alchemagician> COSMO I AM LOOKING AT YOU
  1027. [19:38] <alchemagician> THEORETICALLY
  1028. [19:38] <alchemagician> THROUGH THE INTERNET
  1029. [19:38] <rider43> cosmo must come back!
  1030. [19:38] <@cosmowright> i may stream some wind waker things tonight and tomorrow
  1031. [19:38] <rider43> cool
  1032. [19:38] <alchemagician> that would be awesome :D
  1033. [19:38] <@cosmowright> i have like a lot of ideas
  1034. [19:38] <@mastersource1> what us wrong with me being a mod rider43?
  1035. [19:38] <rider43> no jsut noticed it
  1036. [19:38] <rider43> thats why
  1037. [19:39] <@elminster45> i cant wait until the masses are exposed to this
  1038. [19:39] <rider43> storage during puppet ganon o.o
  1039. [19:39] <@mastersource1> ic
  1040. [19:39] <@elminster45> actually, yes i can
  1041. [19:39] <rider43> We should have a race
  1042. [19:39] <koobes> Elm, imagine cosmo's chat
  1043. [19:39] <koobes> it'll be bad
  1044. [19:39] <@elminster45> mhm
  1045. [19:39] <rider43> not as bad as sigs
  1046. [19:39] <@elminster45> it'll be bad in a different way
  1047. [19:39] <@elminster45> not really comparable
  1048. [19:39] <breenedandscrooned> "why does he keep falling????"
  1049. [19:39] <anwonu> well, people still keep WTFing with zombie hover
  1050. [19:39] <alchemagician> I'm happy that I saw this get discovered right here on abahbob's stream
  1051. [19:40] <rider43> hes trying the new storage
  1052. [19:40] <rider43> so Wind waker is now about Link falling
  1053. [19:40] <rider43> great
  1054. [19:40] <alchemagician> I can imagine the montages of all the times where link falls
  1055. [19:40] <alchemagician> set to yakkity sax
  1056. [19:40] <rider43> lol
  1057. [19:41] <rider43> likea BOss
  1058. [19:41] <rider43> storaged
  1059. [19:43] <alchemagician> so it's rendering the video of it?
  1060. [19:43] <@abahbob> yup
  1061. [19:43] <@abahbob> gotta dump it, then encode it
  1062. [19:43] <alchemagician> I always wondered how this phase of a TAS went
  1063. [19:44] <alchemagician> once you recorded all of the input
  1064. 03[19:44] * jtv sets mode: +o masterc95
  1065. [19:44] <@elminster45> i wonder if swordless will quit wind waker
  1066. [19:44] <@elminster45> lollllll
  1067. [19:44] <rider43> why
  1068. [19:44] <@abahbob> lmao
  1069. [19:44] <@abahbob> his lets speedrun
  1070. [19:44] <@elminster45> hahahah
  1071. [19:45] <rider43> oh lol
  1072. [19:45] <frafabowa> rofl
  1073. [19:45] <@mastersource1> lol
  1074. [19:45] <@elminster45> holy shit
  1075. [19:45] <alchemagician> I don't get it :(
  1076. [19:45] <@elminster45> i just had a thought
  1077. [19:45] <alchemagician> do tell
  1078. [19:45] <@elminster45> bombs + leaf for drc in no tuner
  1079. [19:45] <frafabowa> He started a series where he did a segmented ww speedrun talking about what he's doing
  1080. [19:45] <@abahbob> lmao
  1081. [19:45] <@elminster45> zombie hover to 2nd floor and blow up the warp pot
  1082. [19:45] <@elminster45> and bk skip
  1083. [19:45] <@elminster45> no tuner
  1084. [19:45] <frafabowa> and what the optimal strats are
  1085. [19:45] <@elminster45> ahahahaha
  1086. [19:45] <rider43> lol not anymore
  1087. [19:46] <@abahbob> seriously, TWW is busted
  1088. [19:46] <@elminster45> omgggggg
  1089. [19:46] <rider43> optimal strat: FAlldown
  1090. [19:46] <alchemagician> this is the superswim glitch right here
  1091. [19:46] <@elminster45> get wind waker
  1092. [19:46] <@elminster45> superswim to greatfish
  1093. [19:46] <@elminster45> get bombs
  1094. [19:46] <@elminster45> superswim to forest haven
  1095. [19:46] <rider43> Can we have WW Puzzle races?
  1096. [19:46] <alchemagician> how easy is it to superswim in the right direction once you have storage
  1097. [19:46] <rider43> o.o
  1098. [19:46] <@elminster45> get leaf, bk skip and beat forbidden woods
  1099. [19:46] <@abahbob> you have to pause buffer it
  1100. [19:46] <rider43> Low% is HERE
  1101. [19:47] <frafabowa> WW Bingo incoming
  1102. [19:47] <alchemagician> ^^^^
  1103. [19:47] <@elminster45> get bird's rock peak triforce chart maybe?
  1104. [19:47] <@elminster45> nah rider
  1105. [19:47] <tsmart> YASHI RAID! FrankerZ
  1106. [19:47] <@elminster45> still no way to humanly skip telescope, hero's clothes, etc
  1107. [19:47] <rider43> oh
  1108. [19:47] <rider43> we'll still go with mirrored's route
  1109. [19:47] <@elminster45> unless some kind of pear dive will work lol
  1110. [19:47] <@abahbob> lol
  1111. [19:47] <@elminster45> except uh
  1112. [19:48] <@elminster45> you don't get bait bag
  1113. [19:48] <@elminster45> so nvm
  1114. [19:48] <@abahbob> perhaps bait dive could work
  1115. [19:48] <@elminster45> -_-
  1116. [19:48] <tsmart> wat de fek am i wathin
  1117. [19:48] <rider43> hes recordingt he new glitch?
  1118. [19:48] <tsmart> 2fpw wind waker
  1119. [19:48] <tsmart> fps
  1120. [19:48] <alchemagician> it's rendering at the moment
  1121. [19:48] <rider43> 3fps
  1122. [19:48] <frafabowa> Bait dive would probably be easier doing it in like, grandma's house
  1123. [19:48] <rider43> I can finally do WW a lot easier now
  1124. [19:49] <rider43> so Cyclone skip is over?
  1125. [19:49] <rider43> Cyclone warp*
  1126. [19:49] <@abahbob> screw cyclones
  1127. [19:49] <@elminster45> seems so
  1128. [19:49] <alchemagician> maybe it is still faster..?
  1129. [19:49] <rider43> TAKE THAT RNG
  1130. [19:50] <frafabowa> Yeah, rip cyclones, hello like 8000 frame-perfect things you have to do
  1131. [19:50] <alchemagician> so how hard is it to find a place to dive?
  1132. [19:50] <rider43> any place u can fall
  1133. [19:50] <@abahbob> lol
  1134. [19:50] <tsmart> 6
  1135. [19:50] <rider43> or if u have bombs
  1136. [19:50] <@elminster45> well
  1137. [19:50] <@elminster45> it has to be a ledge you can't grab, right?
  1138. [19:50] <tsmart> this stream is breaking my internet
  1139. [19:50] <rider43> ^
  1140. [19:50] <@abahbob> anywhere you can dive
  1141. [19:50] <subrava> These silly glitches are doing their best to push TAS tricks and console tricks into the same category
  1142. [19:51] <@abahbob> idk about grabbing all of them
  1143. [19:51] <@elminster45> for bombless i mean
  1144. [19:51] <@mastersource1> ww dive can be done almost anywhere
  1145. [19:51] <@elminster45> oh
  1146. [19:51] <rider43> thatswhat i thought
  1147. [19:51] <rider43> anyone gonna rearrange the WW section of Zeldaspeedruns
  1148. [19:51] <rider43> to accomadate all the STroage glitches
  1149. [19:51] <rider43> storage*
  1150. [19:52] <gooby2> hur hur hur
  1151. [19:52] <@abahbob> i'll have to do it
  1152. [19:52] <@abahbob> screw you
  1153. [19:52] <tsmart> gooby pls
  1154. [19:52] <@abahbob> ban forever
  1155. [19:52] <rider43> o.o
  1156. [19:52] <alchemagician> teach abahbot to ban anybody with gooby in his name
  1157. [19:52] <rider43> lol
  1158. 03[19:52] * jtv sets mode: +o tsmart
  1159. [19:53] <rider43> Well we can still do WW no Super swim
  1160. [19:53] <rider43> if u want to maken a category for it
  1161. 03[19:53] * jtv sets mode: -o tsmart
  1162. [19:53] <frafabowa> Yeah, actually
  1163. [19:53] <frafabowa> I was thinking NoStorage but that would mandate doing the joypendant sidequest and all
  1164. [19:54] <rider43> lol
  1165. [19:54] <rider43> So BK skips are all here
  1166. [19:54] <rider43> Trials skips
  1167. [19:54] <@abahbob> lmao
  1168. [19:54] <rider43> we need Puppet Ganon skip and thats it
  1169. [19:54] <rider43> thats feasible and easier
  1170. [19:55] <@abahbob> lmao
  1171. [19:55] <zlamp> Any new stuff?
  1172. [19:55] <@abahbob> making a video for YT
  1173. [19:55] <rider43> the new storage glitch
  1174. [19:55] <@elminster45> still no tower of the gods bk skip afaik Kappa
  1175. [19:55] <zlamp> ;-[
  1176. [19:55] <@abahbob> hmmm
  1177. [19:55] <rider43> Darn it elm
  1178. [19:55] <rider43> maybe we can storage through the electric things
  1179. [19:55] <rider43> :P
  1180. 03[19:56] * jtv sets mode: +o zfg1
  1181. [19:57] <@elminster45> we're still getting ballad of gales, right?
  1182. [19:57] <rider43> its faster
  1183. [19:57] <alchemagician> what IRC channel is everyone in? I just want to watch that chat too
  1184. [19:57] <rider43> Zeldaspeedunrs
  1185. [19:57] <rider43> runs*
  1186. [19:57] <alchemagician> thanks
  1187. [19:57] <@elminster45> #zelda on irc.speeddemosarchive.com
  1188. [19:57] <r0bd0g> Where should I go if I want to try this and I'm bad
  1189. [19:57] <@abahbob> uh
  1190. [19:57] <frafabowa> Ballad of gales is needed for fire and ice arrows
  1191. [19:57] <rider43> on a console?
  1192. [19:58] <@abahbob> there are plenty of places
  1193. [19:58] <@abahbob> just about anywhere
  1194. [19:58] <@abahbob> you can try the WW Dive at forest haven
  1195. [19:58] <r0bd0g> pick one for me please?
  1196. [19:58] <@abahbob> but land on the slope
  1197. [19:58] <rider43> true a small ledge
  1198. [19:58] <@elminster45> i know there are ways to get fire and ice arrows without ballad of gales...
  1199. [19:58] <rider43> or the original one in Forest haven
  1200. [19:59] <r0bd0g> I'd like a longer fall than that and some obvious ground to land on
  1201. 03[19:59] * jtv sets mode: -o masterc95
  1202. [19:59] <rider43> Elm isnt it faster to use BoG to get around
  1203. [19:59] <rider43> for triforce pieces
  1204. [19:59] <@abahbob> not with superswim
  1205. [19:59] <r0bd0g> I always play bog backwards the first time I load the game up :p
  1206. [19:59] <@abahbob> lol
  1207. [19:59] <rider43> oh right the route changes
  1208. [19:59] <@abahbob> god damn, superswim on console
  1209. [20:00] <@abahbob> who thought this day would come, when you use superswims in the route?
  1210. [20:00] <rider43> no one
  1211. [20:00] <r0bd0g> it's b/c it's wind's requiem the first three notes is why
  1212. [20:00] <bkdj> Poor Cosmo. Maxing out the old route like a week before it's obsolete
  1213. [20:00] <rider43> lol
  1214. [20:00] <rider43> he pushed the limit
  1215. [20:00] <cfox7> zfg's curse
  1216. [20:00] <alchemagician> also cosmos
  1217. [20:00] <rider43> now WW will be more popular
  1218. [20:00] <rider43> i hope
  1219. [20:01] <zlamp> Oh btw
  1220. [20:01] <alchemagician> he got the run in OoT just before Wrong Warp
  1221. [20:01] <r0bd0g> can you do this with something other than the ww, btw?
  1222. [20:01] <@abahbob> i got kinda close with bait
  1223. [20:01] <rider43> no
  1224. [20:01] <@abahbob> but it softlocks
  1225. [20:01] <frafabowa> I'm not sure about that. Half the run is now frame-precise tricks
  1226. [20:01] <rider43> Forest water
  1227. [20:01] <rider43> but thats it
  1228. [20:01] <frafabowa> which may prove unappealing
  1229. [20:01] <@abahbob> possibly other items
  1230. [20:01] <@abahbob> with a hi enough ledge
  1231. [20:02] <rider43> I never thought i would see the day WW would be on mroe channels
  1232. [20:02] <@abahbob> lol
  1233. [20:03] <r0bd0g> I remember jiano saying he was gonna run a surprise game
  1234. [20:03] <r0bd0g> and I was like "Oh I hope it's the wind waker"
  1235. [20:03] <r0bd0g> and sicko's like "it's not a mario game or a zelda game"
  1236. [20:03] <r0bd0g> that's my story about that anyway
  1237. [20:03] <r0bd0g> IDK how much of it you got b/c one of my messages didn't send :p
  1238. [20:03] <@abahbob> lol
  1239. [20:04] <rider43> lol if u could later storage with telescope
  1240. [20:04] <rider43> That would break the game
  1241. [20:04] <@abahbob> omg
  1242. [20:04] <@abahbob> rider
  1243. [20:04] <@abahbob> you fucking genious
  1244. [20:04] <rider43> o.o its a cutscene tiem
  1245. [20:04] <rider43> technically
  1246. [20:04] <@abahbob> idk
  1247. [20:04] <r0bd0g> idk it might be possible
  1248. [20:04] <@elminster45> how is it technically a cutscene item?
  1249. [20:04] <koobes> you could telescope dive intot he ocean
  1250. [20:04] <rider43> u got into a different screen
  1251. [20:04] <r0bd0g> you stop the same way you do with everything else
  1252. [20:04] <rider43> well any item would do it
  1253. [20:04] <rider43> in theory
  1254. [20:04] <zlamp> IIRC telescope quits out
  1255. [20:05] <r0bd0g> idk where on outset you can dive somebody think of something
  1256. [20:05] <rider43> the outlook
  1257. [20:05] <rider43> into water?
  1258. [20:05] <@abahbob> top of the roofs
  1259. [20:05] <alchemagician> yeahhhh
  1260. [20:05] <r0bd0g> which roof?
  1261. [20:05] <rider43> grandma
  1262. [20:05] <@abahbob> idk
  1263. [20:05] <rider43> anything can be possible
  1264. [20:06] <rider43> u really trying it o.o
  1265. [20:06] <@abahbob> of course
  1266. [20:06] <rider43> i dont even think u can
  1267. [20:07] <zlamp> Yeah it cancels
  1268. [20:07] <rider43> lol like telescope dive
  1269. [20:07] <frafabowa> Why would telescope work, it doesn't pause action like wind waker
  1270. [20:07] <rider43> ^
  1271. [20:07] <@abahbob> idc
  1272. [20:07] <zlamp> Might as well try everything~
  1273. [20:07] <aldelaro5> I am glad that my irc was open for 1 hour while I was not here I got all the conversation on #zelda
  1274. [20:08] <rider43> it doesnt move foward >.> sadly
  1275. [20:08] <frafabowa> Try the sail?
  1276. [20:08] <rider43> lol
  1277. [20:08] <@abahbob> takes too long
  1278. [20:08] <rider43> dat would be weird
  1279. [20:09] <@abahbob> the key to the glitch
  1280. [20:09] <zlamp> Lol
  1281. [20:09] <@abahbob> is then when you put the item away
  1282. [20:09] <@abahbob> you kinda move up
  1283. [20:09] <@abahbob> that does have to do with it
  1284. [20:09] <rider43> yeah tele doesnt
  1285. [20:09] <cfox7> what about sail? lol
  1286. [20:10] <rider43> all of these erly items
  1287. [20:10] <bkdj> lol at that sail flying
  1288. [20:10] <rider43> its like u some how get A Dive using L-Target Sword
  1289. [20:10] <@abahbob> tadah
  1290. [20:10] <bkdj> I wonder if getting that height + deku leaf would be useful anywhere
  1291. [20:11] <frafabowa> omg
  1292. [20:11] <@abahbob> but i can't cancel it
  1293. [20:11] <zlamp> Lmfao
  1294. [20:11] <@abahbob> and you need a lot of height
  1295. [20:11] <alchemagician> lmao
  1296. [20:11] <cfox7> damn lol
  1297. [20:11] <@mastersource1> ?
  1298. [20:11] <r0bd0g> take damage?
  1299. [20:11] <alchemagician> the tada is amazing
  1300. [20:11] <@abahbob> trying it lol
  1301. [20:11] <andzura> maybe if you can get hit by something after soft lock
  1302. [20:11] <@abahbob> nah no storage from it
  1303. [20:12] <zlamp> Damn
  1304. [20:12] <alchemagician> was worth a try
  1305. [20:12] <@elminster45> dat sailcloth
  1306. [20:12] <zlamp> Hmm...
  1307. [20:12] <cfox7> was almost smart :(
  1308. [20:12] <rider43> the idea now is to get the WW fast enough
  1309. [20:12] <zlamp> Potions?
  1310. [20:12] <zlamp> Idk lol
  1311. [20:12] <rider43> u get bottle alter
  1312. [20:12] <rider43> its useless
  1313. [20:12] <rider43> after*
  1314. [20:13] <zlamp> Also tuner
  1315. [20:13] <@abahbob> tuner is different
  1316. [20:13] <zlamp> Already tried, then?
  1317. [20:13] <@abahbob> yup
  1318. [20:13] <rider43> if u could change an item like in OoT that would be cool
  1319. [20:13] <zlamp> ;-[
  1320. [20:14] <cfox7> lol
  1321. [20:15] <turbojesus> so abahbob, what do u need to accomplish to skip barrier ;o?
  1322. [20:15] <rider43> master sword
  1323. [20:15] <turbojesus> orly
  1324. [20:15] <rider43> full power
  1325. [20:15] <@elminster45> that doesn't skip the barrier >_>
  1326. [20:15] <zlamp> lmao
  1327. [20:15] <turbojesus> silly rider
  1328. [20:15] <rider43> techincally it does
  1329. [20:15] <@abahbob> lemme upload this real quick
  1330. [20:15] <@elminster45> no it doesn't
  1331. [20:15] <turbojesus> technicality isn't even a part of that
  1332. [20:15] <turbojesus> that's just
  1333. [20:15] <crescentexe> <_>
  1334. [20:15] <crescentexe> >_<
  1335. [20:15] <turbojesus> how it's supposed to be
  1336. [20:15] <@elminster45> to skip barrier you would have to spawn a door in hyrule
  1337. [20:16] <crescentexe> <>_<>
  1338. [20:16] <@elminster45> on the outside of the castle
  1339. [20:16] <@elminster45> :p
  1340. [20:16] <crescentexe> ><_><
  1341. [20:16] <zlamp> Maybe someday
  1342. [20:16] <frafabowa> Try blowing yourself up when you have the cancel happening
  1343. [20:16] <crescentexe> O_>
  1344. [20:16] <frafabowa> if you get what I'm saying
  1345. [20:16] <zlamp> Judging by this TWW has life left
  1346. [20:16] <crescentexe> X_o
  1347. [20:16] <rider43> lol or warp to hyrule #2
  1348. [20:16] <zlamp> :D
  1349. [20:16] <turbojesus> nah
  1350. [20:16] <crescentexe> p_q
  1351. [20:16] <turbojesus> tww is pretty
  1352. [20:16] <turbojesus> tight
  1353. [20:16] <crescentexe> q_p
  1354. [20:16] <frafabowa> Like when you're holding the sail without the ability to move
  1355. [20:16] <frafabowa> have a bomb blow up
  1356. [20:16] <@elminster45> rider pls
  1357. [20:16] <crescentexe> c_c
  1358. [20:16] <zlamp> ^
  1359. [20:17] <rider43> idk anything is possible
  1360. [20:17] <alchemagician> this might open it up enough for a bingo? Thoughts, elm?
  1361. [20:17] <crescentexe> -_;
  1362. [20:17] <turbojesus> not in tww
  1363. [20:17] <@elminster45> tww would still not be ideal for bingo
  1364. [20:17] <crescentexe> :|
  1365. [20:17] <turbojesus> yeah u need dat boat
  1366. [20:17] <crescentexe> what the fuck that's an emoticon?
  1367. [20:17] <turbojesus> and then u need dat sail
  1368. [20:17] <zlamp> Still blows my mind that 2 years ago this game was considered "unbreakable"...
  1369. [20:17] <turbojesus> then u need x item to get to x place
  1370. [20:17] <turbojesus> tww needs sequence breaking
  1371. [20:17] <@elminster45> also i think it would be bad if a bingo relied solely on a single trick
  1372. [20:18] <zlamp> ^
  1373. [20:18] <alchemagician> true
  1374. [20:18] <turbojesus> but because there is no real way to sequence break
  1375. [20:18] <@elminster45> that's one reason i think alttp bingo would be bad
  1376. [20:18] <@elminster45> oh yes there is
  1377. [20:18] <alchemagician> I personally think that MM bingo is the best kind of bingo
  1378. [20:18] <turbojesus> really?
  1379. [20:18] <@elminster45> there is no, i mean
  1380. [20:18] <@elminster45> *now
  1381. [20:18] <alchemagician> except for maybe an open ended game
  1382. [20:18] <@mastersource1> ww is not as open as oot is
  1383. [20:18] <turbojesus> what is it ;o?
  1384. [20:18] <@elminster45> bombs early is now a viable route with this glitch
  1385. [20:18] <zlamp> lol
  1386. [20:18] <alchemagician> bingo for sandbox games is interesting
  1387. [20:18] <@elminster45> that's a sequence break
  1388. [20:18] <turbojesus> ok well that's one opening
  1389. [20:18] <@elminster45> then there's
  1390. [20:18] <turbojesus> u can maybe zombie hover then
  1391. [20:19] <@elminster45> doing drc/fw out of order or w/e
  1392. [20:19] <turbojesus> yeah u could do it without grapple true
  1393. [20:19] <@elminster45> zombie hovering to other islands is not a good way to get around
  1394. [20:19] <frafabowa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSVOFHMK-cU&feature=plcp
  1395. 01[20:19] <@abahbot> YouTube Video: Storage Without Forest Water
  1396. [20:19] <@abahbob> thats why you superswim
  1397. [20:19] <@elminster45> wait fuuuuck
  1398. [20:19] <alchemagician> ^
  1399. [20:19] <@elminster45> getting leaf
  1400. [20:19] <@elminster45> without grapple
  1401. [20:19] <@elminster45> fuuuuuuuu
  1402. [20:19] <turbojesus> yeah
  1403. [20:19] <turbojesus> i was thinking
  1404. [20:19] <@elminster45> goddammit
  1405. [20:19] <turbojesus> silly elm
  1406. [20:19] <@elminster45> god fucking dammit
  1407. [20:19] <turbojesus> u only get 1 sequence break on me :D
  1408. [20:19] <@elminster45> i was excited for leaf early in no tuner runs so you could use it in drc
  1409. [20:20] <turbojesus> maybe bombs then hover?
  1410. [20:20] <turbojesus> sounds impractical
  1411. [20:20] <@elminster45> you could hover to the leaf with bombs
  1412. [20:20] <@elminster45> but its difficult
  1413. [20:20] <@elminster45> and you have to ride the branch to get in the right position or w/e
  1414. [20:20] <turbojesus> well it's about the size of the helrock king fight
  1415. [20:20] <@elminster45> man this is really stupid
  1416. [20:20] <@elminster45> what is?
  1417. [20:21] <turbojesus> the distance to hover
  1418. [20:21] <turbojesus> is what worries me
  1419. [20:21] <@elminster45> oh
  1420. [20:21] <turbojesus> and the angles
  1421. [20:21] <@elminster45> what worries me is the angle
  1422. [20:21] <turbojesus> yeah
  1423. [20:21] <turbojesus> maybe u can hover ontop of the grapple?
  1424. [20:21] <turbojesus> oh
  1425. [20:21] <turbojesus> thats with tuner
  1426. [20:21] <turbojesus> ><
  1427. [20:21] <@elminster45> then you'd die
  1428. [20:21] <r0bd0g> heheh time to superswim hehehe
  1429. [20:22] <rider43> who whole game is now a race to the Wind Waker
  1430. [20:22] <frafabowa> How is it possible to hover from windfall to greatfish but not to the top of the puppet ganon room?
  1431. [20:22] <rider43> and be perfect with the dive
  1432. [20:22] <turbojesus> angles
  1433. [20:22] <@zfg1> because the puppet ganon room is much smaller
  1434. [20:22] <r0bd0g> hehe for a second I thought I was gonna make it the fairy island
  1435. [20:22] <alchemagician> you can't use the tingle tuner in PG room
  1436. [20:23] <@abahbob> now i gotta make a FW BK Skip video
  1437. [20:23] <alchemagician> so no easy HP at the end
  1438. [20:23] <r0bd0g> but yeah I just did it uh I just want off the edge and mashed ww and b
  1439. [20:23] <@zfg1> and that
  1440. [20:23] <@elminster45> because for the puppet ganon skip you have to heal
  1441. [20:23] <zlamp> Abahbob have you tried DRC yet
  1442. [20:23] <rider43> DRC use tuner
  1443. [20:23] <@elminster45> and for hovering to greatfish you do not
  1444. [20:23] <@abahbob> huh?
  1445. [20:23] <@abahbob> drc?
  1446. [20:23] <zlamp> Idk if it'd work or not, no idea what is behind tha t door
  1447. [20:23] <rider43> dragon roost
  1448. [20:23] <@zfg1> plus you have the keese on your ass
  1449. [20:23] <zlamp> DRC storage BK skip?
  1450. [20:23] <@abahbob> meh, not too much of a point
  1451. [20:23] <cfox7> how does this skip bk?
  1452. [20:23] <@abahbob> its already easy enough
  1453. [20:23] <@abahbob> chest storage
  1454. [20:23] <zlamp> Well
  1455. [20:24] <@zfg1> doesnt matter if its not much of a point
  1456. [20:24] <cfox7> ?
  1457. [20:24] <zlamp> I guess yeah
  1458. [20:24] <@zfg1> its good to know anyway
  1459. [20:24] <zlamp> Maybe slightly faster?
  1460. [20:24] <@abahbob> meh
  1461. [20:24] <@abahbob> FW BK skip is much more important
  1462. [20:24] <zlamp> Hmmm...
  1463. [20:24] <@zfg1> yes
  1464. [20:24] <rider43> tunerless can a bit easier now
  1465. [20:24] <alchemagician> investigate it when your TAS gets to it
  1466. [20:24] <turbojesus> hey abahbob, how do you set your emulator to turbo the b button so u can hover easily without effort?
  1467. [20:24] <@zfg1> but still check drc later
  1468. [20:24] <@abahbob> no
  1469. [20:24] <@elminster45> a bit easier? are you fucking kidding me?
  1470. [20:24] <@abahbob> turbo B is cheats
  1471. [20:24] <turbojesus> i know
  1472. [20:24] <rider43> fine possibly shorter
  1473. [20:25] <@elminster45> do you even read the chat or do you just say things
  1474. [20:25] <@abahbob> its 2x as fast as is possible
  1475. [20:25] <turbojesus> but im looking to do it for testing out early leaf wit bomb hover
  1476. [20:25] <rider43> i use wrong words to mean different things
  1477. [20:25] <rider43> its a bad habit
  1478. [20:25] <tnud> wat
  1479. [20:25] <zlamp> Hm
  1480. [20:25] <tnud> storage without water?! goddamn!
  1481. [20:26] <zlamp> Are there any other BK skips affected by this
  1482. [20:26] <@abahbob> no need to time FW for cabana
  1483. [20:26] <subrava> I think Rider just picks random words out of the dictionary and strings them together into a sentence
  1484. [20:26] <alchemagician> trial skip might be easier
  1485. [20:26] <@abahbob> so WT is less resets
  1486. [20:26] <rider43> probably subrava i do that
  1487. [20:26] <@abahbob> hmm, good idea alche
  1488. [20:26] <@elminster45> what would this change about trials skip?
  1489. [20:26] <zlamp> ^
  1490. [20:27] <@abahbob> if you could find some way with storage, idk
  1491. [20:27] <@mastersource1> hmm
  1492. [20:28] <frafabowa> Could something like place bomb -> go up -> fall -> withdraw item -> press a button to remove item -> get blown up work?
  1493. [20:28] <frafabowa> before ww
  1494. [20:28] <@abahbob> idk
  1495. 03[20:29] * jtv sets mode: +o masterc95
  1496. 03[20:34] * jtv sets mode: -o elminster45
  1497. [20:36] <cfox7> any reason it's at 20% speed?
  1498. [20:36] <@abahbob> recording
  1499. [20:36] <subrava> Frame dumping is a resource hog
  1500. [20:36] <turbojesus> ima go test zombie hovering to the leaf elm
  1501. [20:36] <turbojesus> and since im on emulator i cant use a tuner lol
  1502. 03[20:38] * jtv sets mode: -o qwerty1605
  1503. [20:38] <alexhitman666> is it confirmed ? superswim with only the wind waker ?
  1504. [20:38] <rider43> its storage into superswim
  1505. 03[20:38] * jtv sets mode: +o qwerty1605
  1506. [20:38] <@abahbob> i found it
  1507. [20:38] <alexhitman666> wow !
  1508. [20:38] <rider43> Wind waker to storage to SS
  1509. [20:38] <@mastersource1> yes
  1510. [20:39] <@abahbob> well
  1511. [20:39] <@abahbob> i didn't think of it
  1512. [20:39] <@abahbob> Forgone found it accidentaly
  1513. [20:39] <morenothings> Abahbob proved it could happen
  1514. [20:39] <turbojesus> wait, u can storage with just windwaker?
  1515. [20:39] <@abahbob> and i found out it was more than he though
  1516. [20:40] <alexhitman666> the game just got broken to the next level
  1517. [20:40] <rider43> indeed
  1518. [20:40] <turbojesus> looks like there is more than cosmos wr to beat now
  1519. [20:40] <orchisawesome> is this tas only?
  1520. [20:40] <rider43> the new storage is anyone
  1521. [20:40] <@mastersource1> not tas
  1522. [20:40] <orchisawesome> ooo :)
  1523. [20:41] <@abahbob> this specific trick is probably TAS only
  1524. [20:41] <@abahbob> or a lot of retries
  1525. [20:41] <rider43> lol
  1526. [20:42] <@zfg1> ya, hi
  1527. [20:42] <turbojesus> ;o
  1528. [20:43] <notzachary2> Well hello there
  1529. [20:44] <frafabowa> Not tas only, but frustrating
  1530. [20:44] <frafabowa> it's a one-frame only trick, despite being easily retriable
  1531. [20:46] <cfox7> lol that's cool
  1532. [20:46] <rider43> Amazing FPS
  1533. [20:48] <r0bd0g> got it twice in a row!
  1534. [20:48] <rider43> o.o nice
  1535. [20:48] <@abahbob> too lazy to count out 16 frames
  1536. [20:48] <r0bd0g> I found a place to fall that matched my mashing rhythm I think
  1537. [20:48] <rider43> is it fun to play with?
  1538. [20:48] <cfox7> dat optimization
  1539. [20:48] <r0bd0g> yeah you just swim around lol
  1540. [20:49] <rider43> try to do it on the caban deed isalnd
  1541. [20:49] <r0bd0g> lol I almost made it form forest haven to tog but I couldn't get in the loading zone
  1542. [20:49] <rider43> lol
  1543. [20:50] <cfox7> wow
  1544. [20:50] <rider43> The Skip is done
  1545. [20:51] <@abahbob> wrong iso i guess lmao
  1546. [20:51] <r0bd0g> the twice in a row thing was just luck though :p
  1547. [20:51] <adamprimer> what stream is in the background?
  1548. [20:51] <r0bd0g> vulpone
  1549. [20:51] <@abahbob> yashi
  1550. [20:51] <r0bd0g> same difference
  1551. [20:51] <@mastersource1> http://www.twitch.tv/yashichidsf
  1552. [20:51] <@abahbob> bleh
  1553. [20:51] <@abahbob> i forgot you can't load states
  1554. [20:51] <@abahbob> with this dolphin version
  1555. [20:51] <purpleprovides> goodfight
  1556. [20:52] <vulpone> GG
  1557. [20:52] <adamprimer> thanks :)
  1558. [20:53] <adamprimer> grats on finding the WW swim w/o forest water :)
  1559. [20:53] <aldelaro5> what is the place when you can done this more early once you started a file I dont speedrun this but I want to test it
  1560. [20:53] <@abahbob> lol
  1561. [20:54] <@abahbob> I wouldn't have gotten it without ForgoneMoose
  1562. [20:54] <@abahbob> he told Cosmo about it
  1563. [20:54] <adamprimer> grats to him also :D
  1564. [20:54] <r0bd0g> I've been doing it on forest haven
  1565. [20:54] <r0bd0g> just falling off into the corner and mashing ww and b
  1566. [20:54] <aldelaro5> can you do it easly on dragon roost?
  1567. [20:54] <rider43> lol
  1568. [20:54] <adamprimer> does it open up anything, or does it just allow to skip a lot of sailing?
  1569. [20:55] <@abahbob> skips a bunch of sailing
  1570. [20:55] <@abahbob> and some new skips
  1571. [20:55] <r0bd0g> bombs early, fw bk skip
  1572. [20:55] <the_runner> Why your emulator is so laggy
  1573. [20:55] <cfox7> bombs early?
  1574. [20:55] <adamprimer> TAS only I presume?
  1575. [20:55] <@abahbob> its playing at 3x resolution
  1576. [20:55] <r0bd0g> yeah cfox, superswim to greatfish :p
  1577. [20:55] <cfox7> damn lol
  1578. [20:55] <r0bd0g> then door storage for the cs skip lol
  1579. [20:56] <cfox7> has it been done on console yet?
  1580. [20:56] <r0bd0g> bombs early has been done but not w/ ss
  1581. [20:56] <aldelaro5> but it is possible to do it on dragon roost?
  1582. [20:56] <rider43> SS to Greatfish from Dragon roost?
  1583. [20:56] <r0bd0g> who knows man
  1584. [20:56] <cfox7> i mean has this trick been done on console yet?
  1585. [20:56] <the_runner> is this for LOW% or LOWEST%.
  1586. [20:56] <r0bd0g> I've gotten storage 4 times now
  1587. [20:56] <rider43> this is for any%
  1588. [20:57] <rider43> TAS
  1589. [20:57] <rider43> or anything really
  1590. [20:57] <@abahbob> its for just about anything
  1591. [20:57] <aldelaro5> I will try anyway on console because it seen very intersting to ss
  1592. [20:57] <adamprimer> isn't camera lock SS really hard to aim on console though?
  1593. [20:57] <rider43> it is?
  1594. [20:57] <r0bd0g> yeah you just press up to bring up your map chart
  1595. [20:57] <rider43> right and let go
  1596. [20:58] <dunhamcw> hey abah
  1597. [20:58] <@abahbob> heya dunham
  1598. [20:58] <@abahbob> no more TWW?
  1599. [20:58] <r0bd0g> and you try to aim it from there, it's easier for me where I have the o's where you dug up treasure on the chart so I know where the islands are
  1600. [20:58] <dunhamcw> it depends on how this affects everything
  1601. [20:58] <rider43> for Bombs early don u get go to DRC then windfall for bombs early?
  1602. [20:58] <rider43> using thsi glitch
  1603. [20:58] <r0bd0g> remember you're moving backwards >_>
  1604. [20:59] <adamprimer> I just remember watchnig Cosmo trying SS and he was awful at aiming :P
  1605. [20:59] <rider43> lol
  1606. [20:59] <@cosmowright> its very difficult but I didnt try too much to figure out aiming method
  1607. [21:00] <@cosmowright> i bet theres a way to do it
  1608. [21:00] <@cosmowright> i think it would be pretty funny if bombs early + boomerang skip is the new route
  1609. [21:00] <@cosmowright> that would be so weird
  1610. [21:00] <@abahbob> lmao
  1611. [21:00] <adamprimer> Cosmo, has this glitch brought you back to WW? :P
  1612. [21:00] <@cosmowright> sort of yea
  1613. [21:00] <@cosmowright> we'll see what happens
  1614. [21:00] <x_dominatus_x> wow
  1615. [21:00] <@cosmowright> its all very theoretical right now
  1616. [21:01] <adamprimer> Seems like the best way to find new glitches in Zelda, is to have a streamer finish with the game
  1617. [21:01] <x_dominatus_x> haha
  1618. [21:01] <adamprimer> worked for OOT and ZFG
  1619. [21:01] <tnud> fck yea cosmo tww :p
  1620. [21:01] <r0bd0g> I think it's happening
  1621. [21:01] <cfox7> i picked a hell of a time to start learning this game 0.o
  1622. [21:01] <rider43> yes u did lol
  1623. [21:01] <r0bd0g> it's hard I can only get it like once every 5 minutes but I mean, I'm bad
  1624. [21:02] <aldelaro5> so to reproduce on console I go to forest haven and what I do with the corner and the ww?
  1625. [21:02] <adamprimer> OMG SS WOULD LET YOU SKIP THE TORNADO WARP LUCK
  1626. [21:02] <@cosmowright> yes adam
  1627. [21:02] <r0bd0g> you know where they fall off right? just aim off toward the other slope there and mash ww and b alternating
  1628. [21:02] <r0bd0g> you might get it :p
  1629. [21:03] <adamprimer> tornado luck killing a run was always sad to watch
  1630. [21:03] <aldelaro5> so when I jumped the ww need to be pull 3 frame before touching the slope right?
  1631. [21:03] <r0bd0g> that's the idea
  1632. [21:04] <@mastersource1> cosmo are you going to do any work on this tonight or just save it for tomorrow?
  1633. [21:05] <ognes> hello all
  1634. [21:05] <@cosmowright> probably tomorrow but idk I might get more awake later
  1635. [21:05] <aldelaro5> and also when I pull it out when I need to take back the ww?
  1636. [21:05] <@cosmowright> im tired right now
  1637. [21:05] <@abahbob> 3 frames before hitting the ground
  1638. [21:05] <@mastersource1> hello ognes
  1639. [21:06] <@mastersource1> this could give you that perfect run and not depend on the luck so much
  1640. [21:06] <r0bd0g> ok I got it again where should I try to swim to :p
  1641. [21:06] <aldelaro5> ok so when I jump I need to pull it out and take it back 3 frame before the slope
  1642. [21:06] <@abahbob> just go island to island
  1643. [21:06] <@abahbob> yup adle
  1644. [21:06] <aldelaro5> ok I will try this
  1645. [21:07] <r0bd0g> yeah I can't actually hit islands :/
  1646. [21:07] <@abahbob> you'll need to pause buffer
  1647. [21:07] <r0bd0g> I can go right next to them
  1648. [21:07] <@abahbob> and learn the angle you're gonna go
  1649. [21:07] <@abahbob> try holding L
  1650. [21:08] <@abahbob> when you are off by a bit
  1651. [21:08] <r0bd0g> does L even work in this kind of ss
  1652. [21:08] <@abahbob> beats me
  1653. [21:08] <r0bd0g> I didn't have any other camera control
  1654. [21:09] <x_dominatus_x> This may be a stuped question but the other streamers made me think of it.. why is the screen smaller?
  1655. [21:10] <@mastersource1> just how he has the window
  1656. [21:10] <@mastersource1> he has other windows he is watching
  1657. [21:11] <eargasm4u> Lol
  1658. [21:11] <eargasm4u> point it out why don't you
  1659. [21:11] <x_dominatus_x> ye I just ment why he set it smaller....
  1660. [21:11] <@mastersource1> just to watch other things
  1661. [21:12] <x_dominatus_x> okay
  1662. [21:13] <@abahbob> trying to decide what now
  1663. [21:14] <@abahbob> guess i should post on TASVideos
  1664. [21:16] <@mastersource1> sounds good to me
  1665. [21:17] <r0bd0g> wel I just made it to bomb island
  1666. [21:17] <@abahbob> nice
  1667. [21:17] <r0bd0g> that's only 1 island over uh
  1668. [21:18] <@abahbob> still
  1669. [21:18] <r0bd0g> I could not control the laning very well
  1670. [21:18] <@abahbob> faster than KoRL
  1671. [21:18] <r0bd0g> I could aim the general direction fine, but actually hitting the island was hard
  1672. [21:19] <@abahbob> 1 sec
  1673. [21:19] <@abahbob> almost done uploading
  1674. [21:20] <r0bd0g> I could definitely make it a lot further just it's hard to aim so I just saw I was pointed at an island and went for it
  1675. [21:21] <rider43> R0bd0g were u able to get bombs early?
  1676. [21:21] <rider43> or at least try?
  1677. [21:21] <r0bd0g> what? I went to bomb island not greatfish
  1678. [21:21] <r0bd0g> bomb island is just shaped like a bomb lol
  1679. [21:21] <rider43> sorry just reentered chat
  1680. [21:21] <r0bd0g> nah I'm just messing around on my 100% file
  1681. [21:21] <rider43> lol
  1682. [21:22] <arcanezaros> omfg
  1683. [21:22] <arcanezaros> arcane <3 abahbob
  1684. [21:22] <arcanezaros> broke this game wide open
  1685. [21:22] <aldelaro5> for me I have to finish drc before reaching forest heaven
  1686. [21:22] <@abahbob> <3 arcane
  1687. [21:23] <@abahbob> what now?
  1688. [21:24] <r0bd0g> come up with set-ups idk
  1689. [21:24] <arcanezaros> this will make low% so much easier
  1690. [21:24] <frafabowa> Try actually succeeding with non-ww dives
  1691. [21:24] <arcanezaros> can we concievably get Deku leaf before DRC without insane zombie hovers
  1692. [21:25] <@mastersource1> a setup video would be nice
  1693. [21:25] <frafabowa> to see if you can start breaking the game before dri
  1694. [21:25] <@abahbob> setup video?
  1695. [21:25] <@abahbob> make your own setups
  1696. [21:25] <arcanezaros> for the glitch
  1697. [21:25] <arcanezaros> lol
  1698. [21:25] <r0bd0g> lol
  1699. [21:25] <@mastersource1> lol
  1700. [21:25] <r0bd0g> uh did you try drc bk skip?
  1701. [21:25] <rider43> or try getting the bombs after getting the WW
  1702. [21:25] <r0bd0g> storage is known not to work there I guess?
  1703. [21:25] <@abahbob> i was thinking messing with ToG
  1704. [21:25] <zlamp> Why would it not
  1705. [21:26] <r0bd0g> tog bk skip?
  1706. [21:26] <r0bd0g> that would be... so helpful
  1707. [21:26] <@abahbob> lmao i'm joking
  1708. [21:26] <rider43> um not by much
  1709. [21:26] <rider43> u can leaf over to the edge
  1710. [21:26] <rider43> get the BK and go
  1711. [21:26] <@mastersource1> et?
  1712. [21:26] <r0bd0g> it could be a timesaver for tas faster than opening the door
  1713. [21:26] <@abahbob> can you skip the BK?
  1714. [21:26] <rider43> Earth?
  1715. [21:26] <r0bd0g> it hasn't been done
  1716. [21:27] <r0bd0g> but you could skip the bk fanfare and opening the door :p
  1717. [21:27] <r0bd0g> if it works but it probably doesn't
  1718. [21:27] <frafabowa> Try getting a superswim from Dragon Roost Island to Greatfish
  1719. [21:27] <rider43> ^
  1720. [21:27] <r0bd0g> actually it probably doesn't open the bars
  1721. [21:27] <rider43> that i want to see
  1722. [21:27] <mugg1991> yo
  1723. 03[21:27] * jtv sets mode: +o mugg1991
  1724. [21:27] <@abahbob> sup
  1725. [21:27] <@mugg1991> superswim no ff?
  1726. [21:28] <@abahbob> yup
  1727. [21:28] <@mugg1991> I haven't touched tww in forever
  1728. [21:28] <arcanezaros> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y9xItPbPHA&feature=plcp
  1729. 01[21:28] <@abahbot> YouTube Video: TWW: another skip in Ganon&#39;s Tower
  1730. [21:28] <@mastersource1> might be time to come back mugg
  1731. [21:28] <arcanezaros> what if you wind waker dived off that pillar
  1732. [21:28] <r0bd0g> uh is the camera you get when you pull the ww, is it random/
  1733. [21:28] <rider43> A new era has come
  1734. [21:29] <insanemid> wot mate
  1735. [21:29] <@mugg1991> wtf
  1736. [21:29] <@mugg1991> what is this
  1737. [21:29] <rider43> new glitch
  1738. [21:29] <@mugg1991> fw bk skip no Storage?
  1739. [21:29] <zlamp> Cancel WW 3 frames before you land
  1740. [21:29] <zlamp> Storage~
  1741. [21:30] <@mugg1991> okay I suppose you have all those videos on your youtube
  1742. [21:30] <@mugg1991> so I will watch there
  1743. [21:30] <rider43> and most of us thought the guy was lying
  1744. [21:30] <frafabowa> Storage now = ww diving then pressing b 3 frames before you land
  1745. 03[21:30] * jtv sets mode: -o mastersource1
  1746. 03[21:30] * jtv sets mode: +o mastersource1
  1747. [21:31] <@abahbob> bleh bad state
  1748. [21:31] <@abahbob> i suck
  1749. 03[21:31] * jtv sets mode: +o elminster45
  1750. [21:32] <@elminster45> did i miss anything?
  1751. [21:32] <@abahbob> video of FW BK skip
  1752. [21:32] <@abahbob> just that
  1753. [21:32] <@elminster45> oh
  1754. [21:32] <@mastersource1> nust 1 video
  1755. [21:32] <@mastersource1> just*
  1756. [21:32] <@elminster45> just making videos of things
  1757. [21:33] <@mastersource1> trying out things
  1758. [21:33] <@elminster45> whoa
  1759. [21:33] <arcanezaros> hax
  1760. [21:33] <@elminster45> can you leaf over here?
  1761. [21:33] <@elminster45> from second floor?
  1762. [21:33] <@abahbob> its too high
  1763. [21:33] <@elminster45> oh :<
  1764. [21:34] <@elminster45> would be an interesting route
  1765. 03[21:35] * jtv sets mode: -o qwerty1605
  1766. [21:35] <arcanezaros> turn of heating affects
  1767. [21:35] <arcanezaros> would speed up dolphin a hell of a lot
  1768. [21:35] <arcanezaros> omg
  1769. [21:35] <arcanezaros> sexy times incoming
  1770. [21:35] <azoras> hello other person vulp went me 2 :P
  1771. [21:36] <arcanezaros> frameadvance <3
  1772. [21:36] <@abahbob> one thing that is now possible
  1773. [21:36] <@abahbob> double chest storage?
  1774. [21:36] <@elminster45> oh, there are 2 chests, aren't there
  1775. [21:36] <@mastersource1> hmm never thought about that
  1776. [21:36] <r0bd0g> these doors here don't work for door storage, do they?
  1777. [21:37] <@elminster45> double storage needs forest water, right?
  1778. [21:37] <@elminster45> the door leading outside should work
  1779. [21:37] <arcanezaros> ah
  1780. [21:37] <@elminster45> but there's no text you can cancel with
  1781. [21:37] <arcanezaros> sound is good video lags
  1782. [21:37] <@elminster45> oh of course you don't need forest water for double storage, i'm dumb
  1783. [21:37] <@mastersource1> it is not the video it is the video effect
  1784. [21:37] <arcanezaros> silly elm
  1785. [21:37] <arcanezaros> Urns are for sigs
  1786. [21:38] <@elminster45> i have a feeling that running out of bombs is gonna be an issue
  1787. [21:38] <@elminster45> lol
  1788. [21:39] <vulpone> not with AR 8^D
  1789. [21:39] <@elminster45> oh
  1790. [21:39] <rider43> lol
  1791. [21:39] <@elminster45> i didnt know ar was allowed in runs
  1792. [21:39] <@elminster45> is that new
  1793. [21:39] <@elminster45> did i miss that while iw as gone
  1794. [21:39] <x_dominatus_x> This just looks so interesting.
  1795. [21:39] <zlamp> You could do this via pot you know
  1796. [21:40] <@abahbob> so epic
  1797. [21:40] <@abahbob> that it crashes
  1798. [21:40] <zlamp> loool
  1799. [21:40] <rider43> where the heck would u do this at Dragon roost
  1800. [21:40] <@elminster45> why does it crash
  1801. [21:40] <cfox7> lol
  1802. [21:40] <orchisawesome> too epic Kappa
  1803. [21:40] <cfox7> game breaking indeed Kappa
  1804. [21:40] <@elminster45> DOUBLE CHEST STORAGE
  1805. [21:40] <@mastersource1> i know he is on a laptop
  1806. [21:40] <@abahbob> double chest storage Kappa
  1807. [21:40] <zlamp> Anyway what about trying farther out from the door
  1808. [21:41] <@elminster45> >_>
  1809. [21:41] <rider43> oh man he storaged the door by opening it
  1810. [21:41] <@elminster45> does double chest storage actually change anything
  1811. [21:41] <@abahbob> dont think so
  1812. [21:41] <subrava> Double chest storage gives you BK Kappa
  1813. [21:41] <r0bd0g> why does only korl work what's special about korl
  1814. [21:41] <@elminster45> only korl?
  1815. [21:41] <cfox7> go for triple SwiftRage
  1816. [21:41] <@mastersource1> trey cosmo's no clip here?
  1817. [21:42] <@abahbob> and pirate ship password text
  1818. [21:42] <zlamp> Again, why not try on the border of the door
  1819. [21:42] <r0bd0g> of course
  1820. [21:42] <@elminster45> no clip?
  1821. [21:42] <@abahbob> lmao
  1822. [21:42] <rider43> LOL
  1823. [21:42] <zlamp> WHAT
  1824. [21:42] <@elminster45> OH SHIT
  1825. [21:42] <zlamp> haha
  1826. [21:42] <breenedandscrooned> hahaha
  1827. [21:42] <r0bd0g> lol
  1828. [21:42] <zlamp> Oh
  1829. [21:42] <@abahbob> tadah
  1830. [21:42] <@elminster45> HOLY FUCK
  1831. [21:43] <cfox7> oh yea you can run up trees and shit
  1832. [21:43] <rider43> BK skipped
  1833. [21:43] <zlamp> You can get in now~
  1834. [21:43] <cfox7> omg
  1835. [21:43] <@elminster45> jdslksdalg
  1836. [21:43] <rider43> TOG TIME
  1837. [21:43] <subrava> Goodbye BK
  1838. [21:43] <@mastersource1> there you go, no more stupid pot
  1839. [21:43] <subrava> HAHAHA AWESOME!
  1840. [21:43] <arcanezaros> RESET Kappa
  1841. [21:43] <orchisawesome> LOL
  1842. [21:43] <yashichidsf> rip in peace tuner runs
  1843. [21:43] <@elminster45> TUNERLESS BK SKIP
  1844. [21:43] <zlamp> There's BK Skip nummer zwei
  1845. [21:43] <@abahbob> you could use a pot Kappa
  1846. [21:43] <zlamp> Now ET? :D
  1847. [21:43] <arcanezaros> why are you so handsome? Kappa
  1848. [21:43] <subrava> Abah you dog
  1849. [21:43] <caneofpacci> lol
  1850. [21:44] <arcanezaros> god*
  1851. [21:44] <@elminster45> so does leaf help at all in this dungeon
  1852. [21:44] <r0bd0g> to drop a bomb on the pot?
  1853. [21:44] <@elminster45> yeah
  1854. [21:44] <frafabowa> I wonder what's the most chests in any one map in the game
  1855. [21:44] <@elminster45> like
  1856. [21:44] <@elminster45> would it be worth getting leaf early (which requiers a bullshit hover)
  1857. [21:44] <@elminster45> to be able to bomb the pot
  1858. [21:44] <frafabowa> and how clippy you would be to get them all
  1859. [21:45] <@abahbob> tadah
  1860. [21:45] <@elminster45> i dont think amount of clippiness varies
  1861. [21:45] <@abahbob> easy at that
  1862. [21:45] <@abahbob> as*
  1863. [21:45] <zlamp> Yeah, same everywhere I think
  1864. [21:45] <@mastersource1> \WinWaker/
  1865. [21:45] <zlamp> anyway
  1866. [21:45] <@abahbob> ET now?
  1867. [21:45] <orchisawesome> yes!
  1868. [21:45] <cfox7> i wonder if there are walls in the dungeon you could just walk up
  1869. [21:45] <subrava> Video later?
  1870. [21:45] <@mastersource1> yes
  1871. [21:45] <cfox7> to skip floors
  1872. [21:45] <zlamp> Does this mean bracelets skip?
  1873. [21:45] <@abahbob> hmmm
  1874. [21:45] <zlamp> er
  1875. [21:45] <r0bd0g> lol
  1876. [21:45] <@abahbob> i dont think so
  1877. [21:45] <@elminster45> how would this mean bracelet skip
  1878. [21:46] <@abahbob> need them for Jalhalla
  1879. [21:46] <zlamp> Fuck lol
  1880. [21:46] <pikminlover72> WinWaker gets Sub 5, new glitch found, gotta make time better Kappa
  1881. [21:46] <zlamp> Jalhalla
  1882. [21:46] <zlamp> Yeah...
  1883. [21:46] <subrava> Can't lift Jalhalla without bracelets
  1884. [21:46] <frafabowa> Hmm
  1885. [21:46] <zlamp> Well, there's always BK skips left to consider, and...
  1886. [21:46] <@abahbob> lol what?
  1887. [21:46] <zlamp> Maybe FF2?
  1888. [21:46] <frafabowa> can you go so fast that you skip past gale isle?
  1889. [21:46] <@abahbob> ToG?
  1890. [21:47] <@elminster45> skip past gale isle?
  1891. [21:47] <@mastersource1> how would it help in tog?
  1892. [21:47] <@abahbob> there are no more BK skips that need to be found
  1893. [21:47] <@abahbob> exactly
  1894. [21:47] <@elminster45> find an easier tunerless wind temple bk skip?
  1895. [21:47] <zlamp> Well I think storing skull hammer chest/climbing FF2 from the outside...
  1896. [21:47] <@elminster45> that'd be funny
  1897. [21:47] <zlamp> Wouldn't that be possible
  1898. [21:47] <@elminster45> nice that it gives you skull hammer as well
  1899. [21:48] <@elminster45> idk what you'd be able to do
  1900. [21:48] <@elminster45> i dont think it would actually give you the skull hammer until you entered a loading zone
  1901. [21:48] <@elminster45> or another quadrant
  1902. [21:48] <zlamp> Yeah
  1903. [21:48] <zlamp> So just go in the door at the top?
  1904. [21:48] <zlamp> >_>
  1905. [21:48] <@elminster45> well uh
  1906. [21:48] <@elminster45> yeah haha
  1907. [21:48] <@elminster45> you're not skipping the hammer
  1908. [21:49] <subrava> Oh shit. I didn't know those burned up
  1909. [21:49] <@abahbob> me neither
  1910. [21:49] <@elminster45> lmao
  1911. [21:49] <zlamp> Yeah Elm I don't mean that
  1912. [21:49] <@elminster45> aw i thought storing this cutscene was gonna do something
  1913. [21:49] <@abahbob> me too
  1914. [21:49] <@elminster45> but the delay is from the lag
  1915. [21:50] <@elminster45> abahbob did you find out what happens if you store collection ofa spoil
  1916. [21:50] <@elminster45> like a stray joy pendant
  1917. [21:50] <benstephens56> FWless storage... the gods really must hate us
  1918. [21:50] <@elminster45> i guess it doesnt matter now
  1919. [21:50] <r0bd0g> I would have made it from forest haven to eastern fairy island but the damn thing wasn't loaded and I just went right through
  1920. [21:50] <@elminster45> since we've got this bk skip
  1921. [21:50] <@abahbob> wow r0b, thats fast
  1922. [21:50] <@elminster45> lol
  1923. [21:50] <notzachary2> well hello there
  1924. [21:51] <@elminster45> uh, eastern fairy island?
  1925. [21:51] <r0bd0g> that's over 3 quatrants away
  1926. [21:51] <@elminster45> what's there?
  1927. [21:51] <r0bd0g> idk lol I'm just super swimming around
  1928. [21:51] <r0bd0g> and I went right through eastern fairy
  1929. [21:51] <@abahbob> enjoying the freedom lmao
  1930. [21:51] <@elminster45> oh
  1931. [21:51] <r0bd0g> next time I'll start ssing when I hit an island so it'll load....
  1932. [21:52] <frafabowa> Maybe like storing starting the battleship minigame and walking outside just so see what it does?
  1933. [21:52] <orchisawesome> still not broken as oot yet :(
  1934. [21:52] <frafabowa> or collecting a rupee or something
  1935. [21:52] <r0bd0g> it's not, there are still no skipped dungeons.
  1936. [21:52] <cfox7> lol i love cheats
  1937. [21:52] <@elminster45> walking outside would cancel storage
  1938. [21:52] <orchisawesome> maybe more broken than mm
  1939. [21:52] <@elminster45> collecting a rupee, you mean like collecting a rupee from a chest? because thats just standard chest storage
  1940. 02[21:55] * Disconnected
  1941. 02[21:57] * Attempting to rejoin channel #abahbob
  1942. 03[21:57] * Rejoined channel #abahbob
  1943. 03[21:57] * jtv sets mode: +o abahbob
  1944. 03[21:57] * jtv sets mode: +o cosmowright
  1945. 03[21:57] * jtv sets mode: +o mastersource1
  1946. 03[21:57] * jtv sets mode: +o zfg1
  1947. 03[21:57] * jtv sets mode: +o triforcebrawl3250
  1948. 03[21:57] * jtv sets mode: +o masterc95
  1949. 03[21:57] * jtv sets mode: +o mugg1991
  1950. 03[21:57] * jtv sets mode: +o abahbot
  1951. 03[21:57] * jtv sets mode: -o mastersource1
  1952. [21:57] <aldelaro5> how to know that I got it?
  1953. 03[21:57] * jtv sets mode: +o mastersource1
  1954. [21:57] <r0bd0g> it says live but it's still not up for me
  1955. [21:57] <@mastersource1> back up refresh
  1956. [21:57] <@abahbob> sorry, internet shit out
  1957. [21:57] <subrava> I got it
  1958. [21:58] <metapig> Hey =P
  1959. [21:59] <notzachary2> my god
  1960. [21:59] <metapig> I cannot tell you how happy I was when I saw FWless Storage
  1961. [21:59] <metapig> amazing
  1962. [21:59] <notzachary2> I actually shit
  1963. [21:59] <aldelaro5> how to know that I got storage
  1964. [21:59] <aldelaro5> ?
  1965. [21:59] <@abahbob> when you pull out the WW it does camera lock
  1966. [21:59] <zlamp> If your WW HUD disappears
  1967. [21:59] <metapig> well on emu you could make a savestate and test with ww
  1968. [22:00] <aldelaro5> ok th
  1969. [22:00] <metapig> on console you basically just test it anyways
  1970. [22:00] <notzachary2> what are you trying to do here?
  1971. [22:00] <metapig> but you gotta test it on what you were going to use sotrage for to begin with
  1972. [22:00] <@mastersource1> he is trying to see if you can use another item
  1973. [22:00] <@abahbob> i got a dive from up here
  1974. [22:00] <notzachary2> ahh with bait
  1975. [22:00] <@abahbob> but its too high
  1976. [22:00] <metapig> He is investigating things related to the new storage glitch
  1977. [22:01] <@mastersource1> if you could use another item you could do things before the ww
  1978. [22:01] <zlamp> I Can you levitate mid bate CS?
  1979. [22:01] <zlamp> er
  1980. [22:01] <zlamp> bait*
  1981. [22:01] <zlamp> -I
  1982. [22:01] <@abahbob> see, too high
  1983. [22:01] <metapig> well that means you need just the right height, then?
  1984. [22:01] <notzachary2> Oh and please don't treat my like I am retarded, I am fully aware of the new storage glitch
  1985. [22:02] <metapig> ??
  1986. 03[22:02] * jtv sets mode: -o masterc95
  1987. [22:02] <metapig> well i don't see the point of testing it with the bow; don't we get the ww before going to ToG?
  1988. [22:03] <zlamp> Other effects?
  1989. [22:03] <@abahbob> cuz i'm bored lmao
  1990. [22:03] <@mastersource1> you do it 3 frames before you hit ground
  1991. [22:03] <supermcgamer> Because Science Metapig
  1992. [22:03] <supermcgamer> Because science.
  1993. [22:03] <metapig> Science indeed
  1994. [22:03] <zlamp> Why not do FF2 chest storage
  1995. [22:03] <@mastersource1> if your bored look at et
  1996. [22:03] <zlamp> Or that ^
  1997. [22:03] <metapig> At first I though sail would work cause you can cancel the text when you want
  1998. [22:03] <metapig> but then you accidentally
  1999. [22:04] <@abahbob> it takes too long
  2000. [22:04] <zlamp> Sail softlocks you in the holding position and doesn't give you stirage right
  2001. [22:04] <notzachary2> Any other glitches come to mind?
  2002. [22:04] <zlamp> storage*
  2003. [22:05] <coel625q> Can't you just use a bomb and make this easier to do here?
  2004. [22:05] <@abahbob> lmao
  2005. [22:05] <@abahbob> thats too easy
  2006. [22:05] <metapig> Bait might work but since the cutscene takes a static amount of time, and the timing needs to be frame perfect...
  2007. 03[22:05] * jtv sets mode: -o mugg1991
  2008. [22:05] <metapig> The height of the ledge would be too specific?
  2009. 03[22:05] * jtv sets mode: +o mugg1991
  2010. [22:05] <notzachary2> lol
  2011. [22:05] <metapig> bottle dive?
  2012. 03[22:06] * jtv sets mode: +o masterc95
  2013. [22:06] <zlamp> Oh yeah
  2014. [22:07] <metapig> Telescope seems more viable...
  2015. [22:08] <metapig> and , unless I'm wrong, you don't get bow 'till after the ww
  2016. [22:08] <@abahbob> no
  2017. [22:08] <@abahbob> and yes
  2018. [22:08] <metapig> ah
  2019. [22:09] <metapig> why can't you use telescope, then?
  2020. [22:09] <@mastersource1> it has a cs i believe
  2021. [22:09] <notzachary2> Is it possible for a WT boss key skip with this? More than likely no, but I am just pondering around the whole game thinking of ideas.
  2022. [22:09] <metapig> ?
  2023. [22:10] <@mastersource1> you could really do it anywhere
  2024. [22:10] <notzachary2> Because fuck my car
  2025. [22:10] <arcanezaros> whats the point if you dont have wind waker at the beginning of the game?
  2026. [22:11] <notzachary2> science
  2027. [22:11] <metapig> he's trying to figure out what other items will work
  2028. [22:11] <@mastersource1> trying to see if you can use a item instead of the ww
  2029. [22:11] <metapig> that too
  2030. [22:11] <arcanezaros> oh
  2031. [22:11] <metapig> results aren't great so far, it would seem
  2032. [22:12] <arcanezaros> :/
  2033. [22:12] <r0bd0g> twice in a row aw yeah
  2034. [22:12] <arcanezaros> bottle dive
  2035. [22:12] <arcanezaros> sail?
  2036. [22:12] <notzachary2> storage at the barrier bridge
  2037. [22:12] <metapig> doesn't realyl help, as I remember
  2038. [22:13] <arcanezaros> no
  2039. [22:13] <metapig> you could do it before with fw, so how would this help?
  2040. [22:13] <r0bd0g> dammit I was like 1 second from the tog loading zone
  2041. [22:13] <r0bd0g> it was going right in too my aim was perfect
  2042. [22:13] <r0bd0g> you kinda have to aim w/ like, the sea chart b/c you go in the opposite direction from what you see
  2043. [22:13] <notzachary2> Well this lets you not have to use up 20 minutes doing other stuff
  2044. [22:13] <metapig> yeah, basically
  2045. [22:14] <metapig> makes storage a lot more viable in a tas
  2046. [22:14] <notzachary2> I honestly believe someone will tas this by christmas
  2047. [22:14] <notzachary2> seriously
  2048. [22:14] <arcanezaros> wut
  2049. [22:14] <benstephens56> Hahaha
  2050. [22:14] <aldelaro5> I am able to stand on the slope with the ww on is this is a good start
  2051. [22:15] <aldelaro5> ?
  2052. [22:15] <arcanezaros> rofl
  2053. [22:15] <frafabowa> lol
  2054. [22:15] <@zfg1> lol
  2055. [22:15] <frafabowa> what's the url to that
  2056. [22:15] <metapig> Someone should see if one could do this at the light arrows skip
  2057. [22:15] <notzachary2> lol
  2058. [22:15] <@abahbob> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ke2C8qV3CM
  2059. 01[22:15] <@abahbot> YouTube Video: The Wind Waker - Sailing No More
  2060. [22:15] <@abahbob> aleck is amazing
  2061. [22:15] <arcanezaros> okay aleckermit thats cool
  2062. [22:16] <arcanezaros> now finish OoT backwards dungeon order
  2063. [22:16] <arcanezaros> Kappa
  2064. [22:16] <metapig> He won't is my guess
  2065. [22:16] <arcanezaros> can always dream
  2066. [22:16] <metapig> he's just waiting for people to forget so it can die already
  2067. [22:16] <arcanezaros> never forget
  2068. [22:16] <metapig> just like everybody who's ever cancelled a promising and populart project
  2069. [22:17] <metapig> like OoT2D
  2070. [22:17] <benstephens56> XD
  2071. [22:17] <arcanezaros> http://dstears.deviantart.com/art/Wizard-Riding-a-Unicorn-on-a-Rainbow-in-Space-325077980
  2072. [22:17] <metapig> OoT2D is now but a legend surviving on the wind's breath
  2073. [22:18] <@abahbob> nice one arcane
  2074. [22:18] <@mugg1991> saw that on eqd
  2075. [22:18] <metapig> Hahaha
  2076. [22:18] <@abahbob> havent checked these past 2 days
  2077. [22:18] <arcanezaros> lol i barely go on eqd
  2078. [22:19] <@abahbob> yeah, screw that
  2079. [22:22] <notzachary2> I can see teh urn coming
  2080. [22:23] <metapig> abahbob=haxor
  2081. [22:23] <@mugg1991> cosmo needs to do a run with the new trick
  2082. [22:24] <notzachary2> ^ ikr?
  2083. [22:24] <metapig> But it's frame-perfect...
  2084. [22:24] <@mugg1991> superswim DRI>FH, superswim triangle isle > Greatfish
  2085. [22:24] <metapig> he'll get pissed off just like the old deed-skip
  2086. [22:24] <notzachary2> and he practices like a god
  2087. [22:24] <@mugg1991> I just can see it in my mind
  2088. [22:24] <frafabowa> We don't even know the right route yet
  2089. [22:24] <@mugg1991> hmm
  2090. 03[22:25] * jtv sets mode: -o zfg1
  2091. [22:25] <@mugg1991> skype audio is gone?
  2092. [22:25] <@abahbob> meh
  2093. [22:25] <@abahbob> screw them
  2094. [22:25] <metapig> ANARCHY
  2095. [22:25] <notzachary2> try some other tricks abahbob, like certain door skips
  2096. [22:26] <frafabowa> Are you in silent realm, you seem a bit clippy
  2097. [22:26] <arcanezaros> go into a dungeon or something
  2098. [22:26] <@mastersource1> he is trying to figure out if other items work chill
  2099. [22:27] <@mugg1991> can you pull wind waker, use levitation, to immitate the ww dive?
  2100. [22:27] <@abahbob> yes
  2101. [22:28] <@mugg1991> you only tried it on J so far?
  2102. [22:28] <metapig> !!!
  2103. [22:28] <@mugg1991> I tried it on U and warped to ganon
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