Flamy defends leaking the truth

8:19 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Here's a question, I guess- it's been implied that there's no need to actually have made a character within the system to RP one, but is that mainly just on the servers where RP mainly happens?
[8:19 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Because it sure doesn't happen on DP or here.
[8:20 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): FoF sounds like the place you have to be in order to RP at all, which... eh
[8:20 PM] ryuu: I'm trying to figure out how to fix the HaruFE RP Section on DP but I've a lot on my plate and
[8:20 PM] ryuu: Ahm and the other staff are not helping by making it doubly hard for me to
[8:20 PM] ryuu: make
[8:20 PM] ryuu: the necessary adjustments
[8:21 PM] ryuu: like hell I've taken charge of this RP Section I need perms to adjust it because ideas are fluid and I need to make plenty of minute changes
[8:21 PM] ryuu: but they're all like
[8:21 PM] ryuu: 'just ping staff when you want something changed'
[8:22 PM] ryuu: one just has to wonder where common sense went, to be quite honest
[8:22 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Have you asked directly for group perms?
[8:22 PM] Flamy: DP RP... got nuked, because nobody who played HaruFE RPed there
[8:22 PM] ryuu: yes.
[8:22 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): rip
[8:22 PM] ryuu: it was also because Neko... couldn't handle his temper?
[8:22 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): So basically it's what I thought, I'd have to be in a server I'd rather not be in
[8:26 PM] ryuu: it was also because Neko... couldn't handle his temper?
[8:26 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): that internet huh
[8:26 PM] Melodia: ......
[8:26 PM] ryuu: it was slow but it existed
[8:26 PM] ryuu: FoF has RP-- and it's not overwhelmingly large or summat and people are busy so it's not it's 100% being posted in but
[8:26 PM] ryuu: well
[8:26 PM] Melodia: IN
[8:26 PM] Melodia: TER
[8:26 PM] Melodia: NET
[8:26 PM] Melodia: yes
[8:26 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): It just sounds from what everyone has done that the important stuff all happens in FoF
[8:26 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Which is discouraging
[8:27 PM] Flamy: Nah, they do it in places that aren't DP
[8:27 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Yes I know that
[8:27 PM] Flamy: Man, I wanna start DP RP, but like, ehhh- Nah, actually, I can do it. It won't be pretty, but I could do it.
[8:27 PM] Flamy: It'd be very impractical, but I could do it.
[8:27 PM] ryuu: I honestly find I don't enjoy hanging around DP as much anymore, even long before I left
[8:27 PM] ryuu: FoF is... what's wrong with FoF?
[8:27 PM] ryuu: it's a pretty cozy place
[8:27 PM] ryuu: well-run(edited)
[8:28 PM] Flamy: It's not DP
[8:28 PM] Flamy: which discourages vali already
[8:28 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): When I was there I was uncomfortable with some of the RPs
[8:28 PM] Flamy: oh, really?
[8:28 PM] Flamy: huh
[8:28 PM] ryuu: oh?
[8:28 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Like uh, at the time there was the whole resort thing going on
[8:28 PM] Flamy: Oh yeah, that shit's a clusterfuck
[8:28 PM] Pichu (Chair): must resist DP joke
[8:28 PM] ryuu: FoF / HaruFE RP is its own world-
[8:28 PM] ryuu: oh yeah th-
[8:28 PM] ryuu: pffff
[8:28 PM] Flamy: and I'm slightly glad I'm out of that place
[8:28 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Yeah that extremely turned me off everything
[8:29 PM] Flamy: ...That said, Hope has expressed how they want to move away from HaruFE
[8:29 PM] Flamy: and be more of a general community
[8:29 PM] Flamy: (that has HaruFE not as completely dominating the population)
[8:29 PM] ryuu: I don't even know what Resort is
[8:29 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): But yeah the problem for me isn't "it's not DP," I have joined other servers for people whose streams I watch, for example
[8:29 PM] ryuu: uh
[8:30 PM] ryuu: I don't look into the er
[8:30 PM] Flamy: Yeah, but you're a part of those groups
[8:30 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): But it's mainly "I don't want to join a server just for one kind of RP"
[8:30 PM] ryuu: non-HaruFE RP section
[8:30 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Especially when I was uncomfortable there before
[8:30 PM] Flamy: Was it exclusively the RP that weirded you out, or Hope?
[8:31 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Mostly that RP, and IIRC I wasn't really connecting with people like I did with some people on DP
[8:31 PM] Flamy: Yeah, so "not a part of those groups" is a big thing
[8:31 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Well, I say DP, I connected better with folks on like, TieTuesday's server
[8:31 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Than I did on FoF
[8:31 PM] Flamy: and absolutely a good reason to not come to a server
[8:31 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Yeah
[8:31 PM] Flamy: Frankly, despite NekoRex blaming newcomers for all of DP's problems, new people really are our only hope for RP
[8:32 PM] Flamy: ...So I think I'll scrap some of my plans, try that on for size.
[8:32 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): I personally just want to RP with friends but everyone these days is too busy
[8:32 PM] Flamy: that too
[8:32 PM] Flamy: RL fucked us all in the ass
[8:32 PM] ryuu: I personally just want to RP with friends but everyone these days is too busy
[8:33 PM] ryuu: s a m e
[8:33 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): FFd6 has slowed down, EO's dead, Ram's RPs are the only reason I stay on DP to begin with right now
[8:33 PM] ryuu: :'D
[8:33 PM] Flamy: Man, what's everyone's deal with wanting to make like a banana, and split out of DP?
[8:33 PM] ryuu: DP's atmosphere is
[8:33 PM] ryuu: not the best?
[8:33 PM] ryuu: honestly
[8:34 PM] ryuu: now that I'm out of it and can see it from a perspective other than 'desperate head admin desperately wanting to fix it'
[8:34 PM] Flamy: Oh, do explain.
[8:34 PM] Flamy: Please don't pull the "GRIMRIN" card
[8:34 PM] ryuu: no
[8:35 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): I'm only going to do it because as much as Grim isn't the worst person there are enough moments where I'm just like "Grim can you not"
[8:35 PM] Flamy: I agree
[8:35 PM] Flamy: on the other hand, I've been lobbying for Yuujin AND Ryuu to stop that gay shit, and nothing's come to fruit about that(edited)
[8:36 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): On my end though it's mostly feeling less and less comfortable with every occasional  spout of drama and I'm at the point where I'm sick of it
[8:36 PM] ryuu: ahm's severely hands-off style of moderation (which has been in place ever since I got too busy to give it all my attention) together with my old softness just leads to unpleasant things going fucking out of hand-- and yes 'grim can you not'
[8:36 PM] ryuu: just
[8:36 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): I think the biggest thing recently
[8:36 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Is Apostasia
[8:36 PM] ryuu: why indulge in shittalking and complaining when you can do something else without
[8:36 PM] ryuu: uh
[8:36 PM] Flamy: So what are you two doing?
[8:36 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Who I would have fucking kicked out days ago
[8:36 PM] ryuu: bringing negativity?
[8:36 PM] ryuu: Apostasia?
[8:37 PM] Flamy: What does Apostasia do?
[8:37 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): The guy who literally non-sequitur's shitposts and then doesn't react to anyone else.
[8:37 PM] ryuu: I just don't
[8:37 PM] Flamy: Sounds like Lumindia
[8:37 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Apostasia's worse
[8:37 PM] ryuu: look into chat
[8:37 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Trust me
[8:37 PM] ryuu: I only check up the nsfw, harufe, and sauna channels
[8:37 PM] Flamy: Then again, that IS another problem with DP, in that the staff is slower than US Congress(edited)
[8:38 PM] Melodia: it's less that the staff is slow and just that
[8:38 PM] Melodia: they're
[8:38 PM] Melodia: ineffective?
[8:38 PM] Flamy: Do not say that, because my man Kaiserdude is working on the issue- What would you have them do for any of these cases?(edited)
[8:38 PM] Melodia: again, Ahm's incredibly hands-off way of handling things
[8:38 PM] Melodia: is uh
[8:38 PM] Melodia: not the best
[8:38 PM] Melodia: and Fairy's....
[8:38 PM] Flamy: Fairy?
[8:39 PM] Melodia: yes
[8:39 PM] Melodia: Fairy
[8:39 PM] Melodia: is
[8:39 PM] Melodia: dumb
[8:39 PM] Melodia: as
[8:39 PM] Melodia: fuck
[8:39 PM] Flamy: He is not.
[8:39 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Frankly at the way things are going on DP, as much as I hate to say it?
[8:39 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): I'd rather he be admin
[8:39 PM] Flamy: Exactly, he's an effective administrator, and one who will be decisive about matters.
[8:39 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): He's freaking stupid a lot of the time but I can't argue he'll actually do shit
[8:40 PM] Melodia: He does do shit, yes
[8:40 PM] Melodia: But the thing is that there's.... well, there's a handful of things I disagree about with him on a very high level, mostly with regards to how drama/rules are handled
[8:41 PM] Flamy: You were rather ineffective yourself, as an administrator. I'm surprised you even have the balls to say this.
[8:41 PM] Melodia: yes
[8:41 PM] Melodia: I am
[8:41 PM] Melodia: I am not shy about that
[8:42 PM] Melodia: but hey, apparently a good way to teach someone who is kinda green on the side of administration and who you know easily picks up on the things that he is around... to become a better administrator is to throw him at cringe / badly run servers
[8:43 PM] Melodia: surely he won't pick up any bad habits / ideas from being around this crowd?
[8:43 PM] Melodia: and oh, apparently he could have dragged me to well-run places but why should he?
[8:43 PM] Flamy: Did you ever ask to join those servers
[8:43 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): I do disagree with his strategy of going to bad servers to pick people up and "fix" them.
[8:44 PM] Melodia: he never said that he was in those servers up until just super recently
[8:44 PM] Melodia: but he
[8:44 PM] Melodia: did
[8:44 PM] Melodia: keep inviting me into bad servers
[8:44 PM] Melodia: --my main weakness back in the day was that I was stupid terrified of being a 'nazi admin' and forcing things into becoming a 'hugbox' or whatnot and he just
[8:45 PM] Melodia: blabs on and on about 'y'know, people should grow a spine' whenever drama happens, and lets people be
[8:45 PM] Melodia: which is
[8:45 PM] Melodia: why
[8:45 PM] Melodia: spaz
[8:45 PM] Melodia: became such a problem
[8:45 PM] Melodia: the things he's said and the things I saw in the places he's led me to just fed those fears-- and being doubly afraid of turning DP into a hugbox ruled by a tyrant of an admin I
[8:45 PM] Melodia: just
[8:46 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): People should grow a spine. But mods should also deal with bad behavior.
[8:46 PM] Melodia: followed his ideal of 'let these people just hang around like this, eventually things will settle into an equilibrium' ???
[8:46 PM] Melodia: honestly, yes
[8:46 PM] Melodia: the ideal course of action then would have been to intervene and ask people to stop
[8:46 PM] Melodia: but eh
[8:47 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): If there is a consistently occurring problem, then it should be dealt with
[8:47 PM] Melodia: can't get back and change actions that have been done
[8:47 PM] Flamy: That would require an active and determined moderation team.(edited)
[8:47 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): It would, yes.
[8:47 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): DP doesn't have that.
[8:48 PM] Melodia: I was just thinking 'ah, damn it can't we just deal with spaz?'
Fairy: lmao spaz is a good person to have on the server -protecc-
Fairy: He's going to help everyone grow a spine! Y'all spineless pussies
(not his exact words, but the sentiment there is there)
[8:48 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): DP, with complete blunt honesty, shouldn't be "a writing community," because the people who run it are not prepared to do that and haven't been prepared for years now.
[8:49 PM] Melodia: that was my ambition-- my bad there
[8:49 PM] Melodia: perhaps I ought to have set my sights lower-- a hobbyist community? that's pretty much what we were
[8:49 PM] Melodia: --right now it's just 'community'
[8:49 PM] Melodia: (less community and more 'server' these days)
[8:49 PM] Flamy: Not exactly accurate, but would this be something that you find is close enough?

[8:50 PM] Melodia: can't see pictures
[8:50 PM] Melodia: actually-
[8:50 PM] Melodia: @Questia thoughts?
[8:51 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): ...man
[8:51 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Yeah this is kinda what happened
[8:52 PM] Melodia: ---that said though my failing with DP's that I... just wasn't perfectly ready to handle it when it was new, and while that in itself wouldn't have been so bad, I decided to hang around people that didn't help me one bit :V
[8:52 PM] Melodia: (why drag people into cringe places again if you want them to get better... especially if you know that they're impressionable?!?!?!)
[8:52 PM] Melodia: (for gods' sakes, show them actual competently run places and have them see how these competently run places are being run)
[8:52 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Mmm. You definitely shot too high. And so did everyone else who came in over from LD
[8:53 PM] Melodia: ...yeah
[8:53 PM] Melodia: just
[8:53 PM] Melodia: regrets, I guess
[8:53 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): It would have been better if it was just all you guys having a private server to do stuff together
[8:53 PM] Melodia: A lot
[8:53 PM] Melodia: Oh
[8:53 PM] Melodia: yeah
[8:53 PM] Melodia: that?
[8:53 PM] Melodia: Expanding, growing?
[8:53 PM] Melodia: Fairy's idea
[8:53 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Which, well, I guess is what this is turning into.
[8:53 PM] Melodia: 'YO LET'S GO ADVERTISE THIS SERVER IN EVERY SINGLE PLACE WE COULD!!!'
[8:54 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): I guess though if DP wasn't grown I probably wouldn't ever have met anyone here
[8:54 PM] Melodia: that means that there's far less control over who enters, which is something that would work with a staff team that is ready but
[8:54 PM] Melodia: DP's team wasn't ready
[8:54 PM] Melodia: it's
[8:54 PM] Melodia: a private server mod team
[8:55 PM] Melodia: and that private server was suddenly changed into a public server because someone thought it was a good idea and me not knowing better was utterly taken by said idea
[8:55 PM] Melodia: ------I do suppose this place is, yeah. Just... a super private server for friends.
[8:56 PM] Melodia: Very lax rules, more personal
[8:56 PM] Melodia: fair enough though, Val
[8:56 PM] Pichu (Chair): So far have to say I'm glad you added me :smile:
[8:56 PM] ryuu: :D
[8:56 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): It's unfortunate but yeah, that's just, how it went.
[8:56 PM] ryuu: pets Pichu!
[8:57 PM] ryuu: ...yeah, just gotta see where things go from now on I suppose
[8:57 PM] ryuu: sigh
[8:57 PM] ryuu: Still got so many ideas I wanted to play out
[8:57 PM] Pichu (Chair): purrs and nuzzles ryuu
[8:57 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Once again, Ram is the only reason I'm still in DP.
[8:57 PM] ryuu: Yuuko's arc and whatnot, but I'm just uncomfortable about investing too much in DP now
[8:57 PM] ryuu: I picked up Tolusia from Neko's hands because I don't want that side of HaruFE RP to die (even if it already has) but
[8:58 PM] ryuu: even with that I have my doubts
[8:58 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): If suddenly I finished all three of those RPs and had nothing left, I'd just drop off DP and move all my stuff I wanted to do there here
[8:58 PM] ryuu: hau
[8:58 PM] Questia: We were simply not prepared to go public.
[8:58 PM] ryuu: ...yes
[8:58 PM] ryuu: yes we weren't
[8:58 PM] Questia: Also, that, firmly.
[8:58 PM] ryuu: Fonzi was right when he said that we were growing too fast
[8:59 PM] ryuu: we were growing too fast
[8:59 PM] ryuu: and we lost control
[8:59 PM] ryuu: badly
[8:59 PM] Questia: And honestly, "grow a spine" is poor advice from a guy who is probably a sociopath in the clinical sense.
[8:59 PM] ryuu: fairy is chock full of bad advice tbqh :V
[8:59 PM] ryuu: it's
[8:59 PM] ryuu: telling when he steps in and everyone is like
[8:59 PM] ryuu: "FAIRY, STOP"
[9:00 PM] Flamy: Now, now, let's not speak ill of people who aren't here to see it later.(edited)
[9:00 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): I dunno if I'd call him a sociopath
[9:00 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Insensitive
[9:00 PM] ryuu: I wouldn't say sociopath
[9:00 PM] ryuu: --that
[9:00 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): But not a sociopath
[9:00 PM] ryuu: yes
[9:00 PM] ryuu: --and yeah, sorry Flamy, I know you two are friends :<
[9:00 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): It's a double-edged sword as a mod
[9:00 PM] Flamy: Even if he was not a friend, I will not tolerate it.
[9:00 PM] ryuu: so it must be someways uncomfortable to- and it's kind of a sad thing anyhow
[9:00 PM] Flamy: No matter how many :< you attach onto it.
[9:01 PM] ryuu: (I mean, DP's mod team pretty much shittalks me on a daily basis?!?!?!)
[9:01 PM] Flamy: FFoA? Absolutely NOT a sociopath, I'd say he's quite impulsive, on-the-fly.
[9:01 PM] ryuu: (well, used to, not sure about now)
[9:01 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Also Tact you say that but you shittalk people all the time when they're not there
[9:01 PM] ryuu: ^
[9:01 PM] ryuu: that
[9:01 PM] ryuu: flamy, do I have to remind you
[9:01 PM] ryuu: of that time when
[9:01 PM] Flamy: They can scroll up later, I argue.
[9:01 PM] ryuu: you took our DMs
[9:01 PM] ryuu: and
[9:01 PM] ryuu: posted it
[9:01 PM] ryuu: in sauna
[9:01 PM] ryuu: :>
[9:01 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Most people don't
[9:01 PM] ryuu: a private matter
[9:02 PM] ryuu: private dialogue
[9:02 PM] Flamy: I did, yes. It mattered enough, that I felt it should be posted.
[9:02 PM] ryuu: and you brought it out for people to see--- and heck
[9:02 PM] ryuu: you even
[9:02 PM] ryuu: pinged
[9:02 PM] ryuu: someone(edited)
[9:02 PM] ryuu: going "AY LOOK, LAUGH AT THIS"
[9:02 PM] ryuu: no
[9:02 PM] ryuu: that's dumb, Flamy
[9:02 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): ...Yeah I'm just gonna say "don't quote people's DMs without permission"
[9:02 PM] ryuu: you showed a lack of Tact there
[9:02 PM] ryuu: that was obviously something that
[9:03 PM] ryuu: I might or might not appreciate being taken to public
[9:03 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): PMs are called private messages for a reason, is all.
[9:03 PM] ryuu: you quite possibly didn't even consider the full context, or perhaps try to understand the meaning behind my words
[9:03 PM] ryuu: because what I said was heavily obfuscated
[9:04 PM] ryuu: I was... off key as well, frantically grasping at strings and
[9:04 PM] Flamy: I see.
[9:04 PM] ryuu: my words when I am in that state are not
[9:04 PM] ryuu: coherent
[9:04 PM] Flamy: So you're making excuses. Again.
[9:04 PM] ryuu: you might have possibly made things worse than they could have been?
[9:04 PM] ryuu: ---and I assume you are making excuses for your actions as well?
[9:04 PM] ryuu: because regardless of what it was I said
[9:04 PM] ryuu: you
[9:04 PM] ryuu: do
[9:04 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): I'm just going to assume you're both trying to excuse some sort of behavior.
[9:04 PM] ryuu: not
[9:04 PM] ryuu: reveal
[9:05 PM] ryuu: something that volatile
[9:05 PM] ryuu: something that personal(edited)
[9:05 PM] ryuu: out in public
[9:05 PM] ryuu: and
[9:05 PM] ryuu: ping
[9:05 PM] ryuu: someone who you know has a not-so-positive opinion of me
[9:05 PM] ryuu: to go take a gander
[9:05 PM] Flamy: No, I do accept the full consequences of my actions.
[9:06 PM] ryuu: I'm going to be frank; I was heavily off-kilter, I was just yapping, letting my emotions ride over me. Flamy had made me feel then like i could trust him to listen and not judge? My mistake, to be honest.
[9:06 PM] Flamy: I mean, I did listen.
[9:06 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Alright I'm not going to ask for context, but okay, Ryuu, I assume you did something or said something stupid enough to tick off him off, and Tact, that is absolutely something you do not do to anyhow, just, no. You ask first.
[9:06 PM] ryuu: Well, I said something along the lines of
[9:07 PM] ryuu: 'yanno, it would be nice if I could get blah blah blah... kind yandere over me?'
[9:07 PM] ryuu: that was me hiding something else and fudging it really badly
[9:07 PM] Flamy: People will always judge you, no matter what you do or say.
[9:07 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): Tact that doesn't seem to be the point here
[9:08 PM] Flamy: No, I'm just pointing that out
[9:08 PM] Flamy: That was also taken into context with a lot of other things that you were saying- To be honest, I myself don't understand the point of what that was for
[9:08 PM] ryuu: the full context of it was that after me leaving DP I felt incredibly lonely and just... craved for company, and I felt like i was supremely low on attention and I fudged my 'I want attention' into 'I want a yandere'
[9:08 PM] ryuu: and then
[9:08 PM] Flamy: Because that was an incredibly illogical way to look at it
[9:08 PM] ryuu: "AY YO GRIM RYUU APPARENTLY WANTS A YANDERE"
[9:08 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): That's a pretty bad way to phrase anything to anyone, granted
[9:08 PM] Flamy: Though, this also points out that you are quite attention-hungry, which Grimalkinii DID point out
[9:09 PM] ryuu: yes
[9:09 PM] ryuu: it was...
[9:09 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): I can agree with that
[9:09 PM] ryuu: well, I was kind of not in control over my emotions and just
[9:09 PM] ryuu: well
[9:09 PM] Validon (Night Sparrow): If the many many DMs I get bugging me every so often aren't evidence enough