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Sara_Ks and zero integrity. Publious dialogue on morality

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  1. EonEcho
  2. Publios: Do you support Trump?
  3. Publios
  4. EonEcho: lol, aren't there other more interesting things you could ask me about?
  5. 12:29 Publios
  6. I'm generally...nowadays...
  7. Publios
  8. what's a good word here
  9. EonEcho
  10. It's a critically important moral and epistemic question of our era.
  11. 12:30 Publios
  12. I don't support Trump nor am I against him
  13. EonEcho
  14. Like, "Do you support slavery?" in 1853.
  15. Publios
  16. nonsense
  17. EonEcho
  18. Or, "Are Jews people?" in 1936.
  19. Publios
  20. Trump is, at best, a reflection of another set of issues
  21. Publios
  22. not the issue
  23. EonEcho
  24. As with so many phenomena, he is both cause and effect.
  25. EonEcho
  26. To say he is only effect is surely false.
  27. Publios
  28. sure
  29. EonEcho
  30. Publios: So, you are not against Trump?
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  32. Publios
  33. I am against things I disagree with
  34. Fen has left IRC (ninja.hub.dal.net agility.nl.eu.dal.net)
  35. tarkin has left IRC (ninja.hub.dal.net agility.nl.eu.dal.net)
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  37. loki- has left IRC (ninja.hub.dal.net agility.nl.eu.dal.net)
  38. EonEcho
  39. He is one of the most pathological, anti-Christ figures we've had in Western culture in a long time.
  40. IL_Shaman has changed mode: +v icequeen81_
  41. Publios
  42. that he might support or say, etc
  43. Publios
  44. um
  45. Publios
  46. compared to Putin he's a kitten
  47. EonEcho
  48. In Christian cosmology, he's essentially a demon.
  49. EonEcho
  50. He is less capable than Putin, with similarly pathological goals.
  51. loki| has joined ([email protected])
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  53. Fen has joined ([email protected])
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  55. agility.nl.eu.dal.net has changed mode: +vvv RCastle Fen tarkin
  56. EonEcho
  57. One cannot be a follower of Christ and not reject Trumpism.
  58. Publios
  59. EonEcho: no offense but you don't know Christ
  60. EonEcho
  61. It's as if one say, I support Christ, but I am not against demons working for Lucifer.
  62. Publios
  63. it requires faith to know Him
  64. EonEcho
  65. In your system, sure.
  66. Publios
  67. Christ isn't known via a system
  68. Publios
  69. he's a being to be known
  70. EonEcho
  71. False.
  72. EonEcho
  73. But, let's not drift.
  74. Publios shrugs
  75. Publios
  76. I'm not interested in the Trump conversation either
  77. Publios
  78. sorry
  79. EonEcho
  80. It is not possible to be for Christ while not hating the things Trump does.
  81. Publios
  82. I'm just gonna resume reading or ask icequeen81 about her fire
  83. Publios
  84. icequeen81: no pics came thru
  85. EonEcho
  86. Publios: Do you recall icequeen81's comments on Russian interference in the USA?
  87. EonEcho
  88. Publios: Do you desire to be a good ambassador for Christ?
  89. EonEcho
  90. https://pastebin.com/vqndyJPC
  91. EonEcho
  92. icequeen81: Are you aware Rand Paul and Ron Paul are Russian agents?
  93. EonEcho
  94. PresbyTerry has joined ([email protected])
  95. EonEcho
  96. Profound has changed mode: +v PresbyTerry
  97. EonEcho
  98. icequeen81
  99. EonEcho
  100. No I don't think so.
  101. EonEcho
  102. dockside
  103. EonEcho
  104. If they were, how would you feel about that?
  105. EonEcho
  106. icequeen81
  107. EonEcho
  108. you gotta be careful not to listen to too many conspiracy theorists, they will rot your brain
  109. EonEcho
  110. icequeen81
  111. EonEcho
  112. i wouldnt care
  113. EonEcho
  114. icequeen81 "wouldnt [sic] care" if powerful representatives of American were actually agents of Russian autocracy, mafiaism, and corruption.
  115. Publios
  116. is that a problem?
  117. Publios
  118. I mean on a general level that would be a bad thing
  119. EonEcho
  120. Publios: You didn't answer my question on being a good ambassador for Christ.
  121. EonEcho
  122. This should be about the most important thing to you.
  123. Publios
  124. EonEcho: I didn't because I am not interested in the discussion about Trump
  125. Publios
  126. not at the moment
  127. EonEcho
  128. I ask you to recall Paul's various letters to early Christian communities on how to gain standing with non-Christians.
  129. deusexb has left IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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  131. EonEcho
  132. You'll recall that Paul worried deeply about early Christians being high-integrity, non-hypocritical people so that others would develop a positive disposition towards Christianity.
  133. IL_Shaman has changed mode: +v deusexb
  134. EonEcho
  135. No, you can't just talk about Christ to be a good ambassador for Christ.
  136. EonEcho
  137. According to the New Testament.
  138. EonEcho
  139. You need to involve yourself in the issues of the era and demonstrate good values.
  140. EonEcho
  141. Then, people will come to feel you're a good person.
  142. Publios
  143. icequeen81: looks like it is either mostly done or just burning small but steady
  144. EonEcho
  145. And if you're a good person, then perhaps your teacher is also of high quality.
  146. EonEcho
  147. Publios: You seem extremely uninterested in discussing Christ and his teachings with me.
  148. EonEcho
  149. This doesn't seem a way to be a good ambassador for Christ -- having the non-Christian remind the Christian of Christian teachings.
  150. icequeen81 has left IRC (Ping timeout)
  151. EonEcho
  152. A majority of American Christians support Donald Trump.
  153. EonEcho
  154. American Christianity is rotten to its core, as evidence by that fact.
  155. Pazooza has left IRC (Quit: Leaving- Bacon is spam you signed up for.)
  156. EonEcho
  157. That's the age in which you live.
  158. EonEcho
  159. You do not get too choose to say, "That's not me."
  160. EonEcho
  161. Christianity is one family -- that's how many non-Christians perceive it.
  162. EonEcho
  163. You need to take accountability for what your family is doing and demonstrate that not all Christianity is like that.
  164. Publios
  165. lol
  166. Sara_Ks
  167. EonEcho Ron Paul is a Russian agent?
  168. EonEcho
  169. You can do that by rejecting that rot of those corrupt American Christians and strongly rejecting Trump.
  170. EonEcho
  171. Sara_Ks: Correct.
  172. EonEcho
  173. John McCain noted this, for example, many years ago.
  174. Hold_You_Down_Use_You_Up
  175. eelated is very sensitive about his burnt scrotum
  176. Hold_You_Down_Use_You_Up
  177. :/
  178. Sara_Ks
  179. EonEcho Where is the evidence?
  180. EonEcho
  181. Sara_Ks: Do you agree that John McCain was an expert on this topic?
  182. EonEcho
  183. Seeing as he sat on the Foreign Armed Services Committee.
  184. Sara_Ks
  185. EonEcho No
  186. EonEcho
  187. Sara_Ks: Please provide your definition of expert.
  188. Sara_Ks
  189. EonEcho Where is the evidence?
  190. Publios sips water and crosses leg
  191. EonEcho
  192. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_evidence#USA
  193. EonEcho
  194. In 1988, the United States Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) came out with its guidelines based on the CTF using the same 3 levels, further subdividing level II.[12][13]
  195. EonEcho
  196. Level I: Evidence obtained from at least one properly designed randomized controlled trial.
  197. EonEcho
  198. Level II-1: Evidence obtained from well-designed controlled trials without randomization.
  199. EonEcho
  200. Level II-2: Evidence obtained from well-designed cohort or case-control analytic studies, preferably from more than one center or research group.
  201. EonEcho
  202. Level II-3: Evidence obtained from multiple time series designs with or without the intervention. Dramatic results in uncontrolled trials might also be regarded as this type of evidence.
  203. EonEcho
  204. Level III: Opinions of respected authorities, based on clinical experience, descriptive studies, or reports of expert committees.
  205. EonEcho
  206. So, in the USPSTF system, at Level III, opinions of respected authorities is evidence.
  207. EonEcho
  208. John McCain was an expert on this topic.
  209. deusexb has left IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  210. Sara_Ks
  211. EonEcho So, what are the facts basing this claim?
  212. EonEcho
  213. Which claim?
  214. EonEcho
  215. By McCain?
  216. Publios
  217. icequeen81_: lol
  218. Publios
  219. RON PAUL
  220. Publios
  221. patron
  222. EonEcho
  223. Sara_Ks: If you only ask questions without answering any of mine, I'll ignore you in the next few minutes.
  224. Publios
  225. a wizened treasure :p
  226. EonEcho
  227. Your ignore period will be several months.
  228. Publios
  229. lol.
  230. Sara_Ks
  231. EonEcho That Ron Paul is a Russian agent. WHAT are the facts supporting this
  232. EonEcho
  233. Sara_Ks: You have been provided a piece of evidence.
  234. EonEcho
  235. Please discuss that piece of evidence or challenge its quality as evidence if you'd like this dialogue to continue.
  236. Sara_Ks
  237. EonEcho I was? What exactly is the evidence?
  238. EonEcho
  239. Sara_Ks: I initiated a three minute timer for you.
  240. EonEcho
  241. Sara_Ks: I put you on ignore.
  242. Publios
  243. lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
  244. EonEcho
  245. You just signaled you are unable to track the flow of a dialogue you initiated, which is a prerequisite for things like evaluation of evidence.
  246. EonEcho
  247. Publios: Do you think you're being a good ambassador for Christ right not?
  248. EonEcho
  249. now
  250. Publios
  251. EonEcho: no, which is why I am going to end my commentary
  252. EonEcho
  253. Publios: Do you feel proud of your contributions over the last ten minutes?
  254. 12:45 EonEcho
  255. I think they were 'terrible'.
  256. EonEcho
  257. I think you lost dramatic standing.
  258. Publios
  259. my 'lols' were childish but I do not think my choice to not engage was wrong. I'm tired and doing other things
  260. EonEcho
  261. Sure.
  262. 12:45 Publios
  263. anyway, silence covers much and now I enter it
  264. Publios
  265. until next time
  266. EonEcho
  267. Publios: I am holding you accountable for your speech in this conversation.
  268. EonEcho
  269. I put you on ignore for five days.
  270. EonEcho
  271. If you would like to continue to be in a community with me, you'll need to show moral excellence and high integrity, which you've previously done.
  272. EonEcho
  273. This involves you stating clearly your position on important moral issues of your age, even if you think they're not important to you.
  274. EonEcho
  275. Sara_Ks: Your ignore period will be three months.
  276. Publios has left ()
  277.  
  278. EonEcho
  279. https://pastebin.com/CMHeTjAB
  280. 12:48 EonEcho
  281. Here is a record of the dialogue.
  282. EonEcho
  283. Sara_Ks: Upon further reflection, I increased your ignore to six months.
  284. EonEcho
  285. I find you to be one of the most dishonest humans I've ever encountered.
  286. Sara_Ks has changed mode: +b *!*EonEcho@*.ca.comcast.net
  287. You have been kicked out of the channel
  288. Sara_Ks has kicked EonEcho (Sara_Ks)
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