Diplo

Slayzer: yo Hobo you there?
YourLocalHobo is now Online.
YourLocalHobo: Yeah what's up
Slayzer: Was thinking
Slayzer: Would you be interested in changing allies?
YourLocalHobo: That would create a terrible imbalance
YourLocalHobo: But if Austria stays neutral in the wars between you and Poland I will do the same
Slayzer: If anything it would fix the balance
Slayzer: and to be completely honest
Slayzer: I don't know how I feel about 1k dev Spain getting into Egypt
Slayzer: That Spain-France-Netherlands block has to be met with something strong in the east
YourLocalHobo: I have plans to kick Spain out
YourLocalHobo: My only concern is that when I invade them, you and Austria are going to turn around and invade me
Slayzer: Well thats what original plan was
Slayzer: but I'm not that interested in fighting you
Slayzer: even if we win I don't have much to gain
Slayzer: But if you go fight Spain
Slayzer: and I fight Poland
Slayzer: I'd still like that alliance between us later on
YourLocalHobo: Ideally, I do nothing in Europe and go on my merry way eastward
YourLocalHobo: Unfortunately I had to get involved in those wars. But I can't let Poland die
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Slayzer: I think death of Poland would make East more balanced
YourLocalHobo: If I did join you, what would your plan be
YourLocalHobo is now Away.
Slayzer: We split Poland between 2 of us and Russia
Slayzer: and counter that western block
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YourLocalHobo: Has Russia agreed to this?
Slayzer: ye
YourLocalHobo: I'll need to confirm with Russia first
Slayzer: sure
Slayzer: That's Goatmeal on steam
YourLocalHobo: But I don't want any Polish land, if you want my support I'm going to need Balkan clay
Slayzer: Balkan clay?
YourLocalHobo: Land in the Balkans
Slayzer: I'm happy with our current border
Slayzer: If you dont want any land in Poland we can help you get Egypt back
YourLocalHobo: If you want me to betray Poland you're going to have to offer me something
Slayzer: No1 is forcing you to betray Poland
Slayzer: but lets be realistic
Slayzer: You can join him
Slayzer: Make it very painful for everyone
Slayzer: Lose the war
Slayzer: And lose your only ally in the game
Slayzer: Then what?
YourLocalHobo: If you're trying to gain my support by threatening me then you're doing it very wrong
Slayzer: I don't see
Slayzer: Why would I give up land
Slayzer: in which I invested so much
Slayzer: to gain your alliance
Slayzer: When it's in your huge interest to ally me
YourLocalHobo: Because you would get far more land from killing Poland
YourLocalHobo: And if I'm on his side you're probably not getting much, and if you do it'll be slow and painful
Slayzer: Yeah but I win the war either way
Slayzer: so if I agree to ally you
Slayzer: I'd be giving more than I'd gain
Slayzer: (if I give up land in Balkans)
YourLocalHobo: Lol
YourLocalHobo: Maybe you do, maybe you dont
Slayzer: If oyu support Poland in the war
Slayzer: you'll be outnumbered 2:1 or even 3:1
Slayzer: I don't want any of your lands
Slayzer: But other people who are on my side will want it
YourLocalHobo: You would actually be gaining far more than you give
YourLocalHobo: And if you really outnumbered us 3:1 you wouldn't be trying this hard to get my alliance
Slayzer: I'm trying to make game balanced
YourLocalHobo: I don't believe that
YourLocalHobo: If you want me to betray one of my allies and give you free expansion I'm going to want something in return, you won't be getting that for free
Slayzer: Lets just follow simple logic
Slayzer: I won 2 wars
Slayzer: vs you and Poland
Slayzer: Did I take anything from oyu?
Slayzer: And yo uare saying you aren't getting anything in return
Slayzer: I'm willing to hepl you in your wars vs West
YourLocalHobo: I'm getting something from this deal, or I'm not a part of it
Slayzer: You are getting Egypt lol
Slayzer: And a fucking ally that can do something
Slayzer: unlike Poland
YourLocalHobo: As far as I'm concerned you and Poland are equally powerless
YourLocalHobo: Except for the fact that anyone will join your wars if you ask them enough times, simply because you're Hungary
Slayzer: In which case you'd get more than 1 ally
Slayzer: Have you spoken to Muscovy?