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What it comes down to is this: anything liberals actually believe in the wild, or what liberal democracies actually do arent real liberalism because there is some divergence with theory or because a liberal can reason their way out of it based on some priors they hold (more on that later, basically my whole point of subordination). This is pretty similar to what AnComs do, while I can point to the entirety of Western Civ prior to the 60s

And another galling thing are the simple solutions to complex problems, ie not real solutions. Like "enforced monogamy". I am fine with that solution but it's a lot harder than its liberal shills suggest since they need peterson as their rockstar