b22rian: Hello all and welcome to the revival of the Simtropolis Seminars.

b22rian: Today we have one guess speaker b407260 or simple Kyle. He is here today to present to you guys 3 things that are either an in game solution or a way to improve game play.

b22rian: Kyle is one of the new talents in the community. He is not from where most of you are thinking, he is from Yellowknife Canada.

b22rian: Please hold all questions until the end of the seminar, thanks !

b22rian: I now give the floor to Kyle !

b22rian and many other persons are applauding

b407260: My first topic is about the GLR and zoning. After I downloaded it I found that the biggest issue was the in ability to zone alongside dual networks such as GLR in Road, GLR in Avenue etc. So I thought ill see if there is a way to resolve this issue.

b22rian: yup

b407260: And to my luck I found a simple way to zone alongside these networks. The issue as seen by this picture http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/684/firstpicture.png/ is that the zones don't face the road and are thus inaccessible to people.

b407260: Now what I discovered was that by doing a simple two step process you could zone an entire area in one sweep properly. Now STEP 1. When you go to zone your area ensure you are holding the Ctrl button upon zoning.

b407260: here is the next section to the seminar

b407260: 1. When you go to zone your area ensure you are holding the Ctrl button upon zoning. This will cause the entire area to become one big block. The big block you will notice will also be facing the dual network as seen here http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/secondpicture.png/ Now all of you know that there is no in game building that is this big so you need to make the zone smaller.

b407260: To do this you just delete one square of the zoned area and bam this is what it then becomes this http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/thirdpicture.png/ . If these steps are all followed then there shouldn't be any issues with zoning alongside dual networks any more :) .

b22rian: heh nice

samerton: That's very useful!

b407260: My second concept that I am here to present today also goes with the dual networks. Hopefully the right guys are here and that everyone will understand what I am saying. My "design proposal" is that you combine the drag able GLR and avenue abilities into one.

b22rian: hang on

b22rian: so your saying in your final pic

katherman111: b407260: nice idea

lifetopumpkins: You can't.

b22rian: thos zones will now grow ?

b22rian: ok maarten

b22rian: and connor

b407260: yes in the last pic ^/18/thirdpicture.png/. those zones will grow

samerton: lifetopumpkins: why is it not possible?

b22rian: connor says no

samerton: actually, we'll wait for this part to finish

b22rian: maarten says this is possible :)

mrtnrln: Well I was thinking about draggable neworks the other night....

b22rian: go on maaten :)

lifetopumpkins: I am referring to his second concept, FYI

mrtnrln: ... and I stumbled across some problems

b407260: Now let me explain ok. What I am saying is since there is already a drag able GLR function and drag able Avenue function why not just let the drag able GLR be compatible on top of an Avenue

b407260: But when doing this you don't get some messed network, but instead it just becomes the same current dual networks like is seen already. This will eliminate what I find is the number one reason for crashing with puzzle pieces and allows large sections to be made rapidly.

b22rian: ok thank you kyle

lifetopumpkins: I'm reasonably sure that is not possible.

mrtnrln: First, the major problem would be on what network such a dual network is based on

b407260: My last and final topic of the day is about the current toll booths. I was actually driving along this highway in real life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Highway_407 and noticed that the toll booths are all electronic as seen here http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Electronic_Toll_Equipment_in_Ontario.jpg.

b22rian: connor first :)

b22rian: hang on maarten :)

b22rian: let connor go first ok :)

b407260: hold questions to the end as said guys

b22rian: ok kyle :)

b407260: Upon seeing this and noting there wasn't any of this in game I was just wondering if it is at all possible to do this. If it is then I'm hoping one of you guys here or if you know someone that can do this will come forward and take on this task, as I am incapable of doing it with my current abilities :(.

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b22rian: ah :)

b407260: And that is all i have to say today. If anyone has any questions for me they will now be taken one at a time. If those who are willing to take on the electronic toll booths task could stay behind and further discuss it with me and b22rian that would be greatly appreciated :).

lifetopumpkins: b407260: There already are electronic toll booths on the STEX.

b22rian: we will get the debate now that vince is here :)

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b22rian: lifetopumpkins: ok so these eletronic toll booths experience no commute delays ?

b407260: Algright that is everything i have to say guys

mrtnrln: lifetopumpkins: Yup, I have one released

mrtnrln: A second problem with draggable dual networks would be the instersection setups. These can be very tricky, especially when it comes to connecting one of the two components of the dual network

b407260: if anyone has questions they will now be taken

lifetopumpkins: AFAIK draggable dual networks aren't really feasible.

b22rian: ok i appreciate that maarten

samerton: May I mention another method (that is slightly more well known than Kyle's) for the zoning by GLR-in-Avenue?

bluelightning: I had lots of fun dealing with them before

b22rian: but id like to hear vince comments on this :)

b22rian: go on vince

bluelightning: Aka, its a pain in the arse

bluelightning: So not soon

b22rian: heh

mrtnrln: Third, as far as I know, you can't base any override network on the two-tile networks...

bluelightning: Yes you can

lifetopumpkins: mrtnrln: well, it kinda sorta works but not really practically

bluelightning: The only difference is the way the starter stubs are set up

mrtnrln: bluelightning: But I've seen that's still very tricky

bluelightning: I even made a prototype for a ave-4 based mave-4

bluelightning: mrtnrln: Cuz the turning lanes at avenue intersections are annoying to override

bluelightning: Everything else is just the same

mrtnrln: I once thought about "The Real HighWay Mod, Cosmetic Pieces and You."

b407260: Now guys i heard talk about there already being an "electronic" toll booth

b407260: can anyone get me that link so i can compare it to what i have in mind

b22rian: ok sure what is the link to this electonic toll booth ?

lifetopumpkins: b407260: there are several on the STEX.

b407260: can i see one then please

b407260: i want to compare them and how they operate to my idea

lifetopumpkins: If I can manage to dig up a link... I have some in my game but they're old

b22rian: lifetopumpkins: so your saying that these electonic ones are a commute time saving in game over the regular ones ?

lifetopumpkins: there's only one way they would operate

bluelightning: MrSnoopy has some I think

lifetopumpkins: It's a toll booth, it's not that complicated.

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bluelightning: Tollbooths in SC4 operate like stations

lifetopumpkins: b22rian: depends exactly how they were modded

b22rian: lifetopumpkins: interesting

bluelightning: The only speed cost there is is what the entry switch cost (time, not $) is

samerton: For those who are wondering: http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/4003-mr-snoopys-new-toll-stations/

b22rian: bluelightning: right thanks :)

samerton: Mr Snoopy's Toll Booths

b22rian: i wanted to show vince something actually since we are all here :)

b407260: ok those are nothing like what ive got in mind

b407260: ill get you the link to show you what i have in mind

b407260: there is no real "booth" on what i have

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b407260: here is waht i have in mind guys http://www.roadtraffic-technology.com/projects/407/images/10_toll.jpg

b407260: notice there is no booth a

b407260: thus there is no need to slow down or stop

111222333444: b407260: there's one like that in the STEX

b407260: this is better then what Mr Snoopy made

bluelightning: b407260: I can easily mod the maxis booths to have no delay.

b407260: can i see a link to it then

b22rian: b407260: yes but connor just said on some of them there isnt any commute time loss anyways

lifetopumpkins: b22rian: no I didn't :|

lifetopumpkins: b22rian: I said that depends on how they're modded :|

b22rian: lifetopumpkins: well that is what vince is saying :)

bluelightning: I didnt say that

samerton: b407260: http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/2836-electronic-toll-booth/

lifetopumpkins: I rarely ever use tolls in-game so I haven't really looked into how toll booths are modded

samerton: there are some there.

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b407260: yes that one sam is for avenues and roads but not for RHW or Highways

samerton: b407260: ah.

riiga: mrtnrln: Ah.

111222333444: b407260: Oh, you're asking for RHW ones

b407260: i want mine to be compatable on all networks so you don't need to download multiple ones

bluelightning: b407260: Its called a pack?

katherman111: bluelightning: yeah that's also something i saw ure special thats a fact

bluelightning: Download one pack, have all the toll booths>

katherman111: bluelightning: do u know how to make automata cars

bluelightning: katherman111: No

katherman111: bluelightning: aahn why nobody knows this ART form anymore

mrtnrln: I have an electronic toll gate in this pack, or at least a prop: http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/20440-maartens-sign-request-pack-02/

bluelightning: katherman111: B/C its rather specialized

b407260: mrtnrln: is it compatable with every network though

riiga: http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww55/anonymson/tull-pa-gang-som-funkar.jpg

riiga: I'll finish this one eventually...

mrtnrln: b407260: No, you can only plop it next to one tile or two tile networks

b407260: ok that is one of the two things i was trying to solve

b407260: none of the ones out right now aren't compatable with every network including RHW

b407260: i have to go in about 15mins guys so if anyone has questions for me send them now

bb407260: so nobody has questions for me

b22rian: b407260: did we fully answer your Q about draggable duel networks ?

b407260: not really all i heard was that it was impossible to do but with no proof

b22rian: b407260: there possible to do but vince says a pain :)

b22rian: ok well before we leave

b22rian: id like to thanks some ppl :)

b22rian: first id like to tahnk kyle our guest speaker

b22rian: for doing an excellent job

b22rian: and also hans :)

meister1235 :)

b22rian: our recorder today :)

b407260: :D

b22rian: and finally all u nam guys :)

b22rian: thanks much :)

mrtnrln: You're welcome!