About God (SharpEagle)

Tell to a 4 yrs kid that the universe may be infinite and see what cand of evidence he require to believe that. He even wouldn't be able to understand what are the actual needed evidences for that, let alone understand the concept of an infinite universe...How the hack do you want to understand a concept of an infinite God, when you're not even able to understand why the quantum world is behaving so counter intuitive (nobody is)? There may be additional dimensions out there, probably paralel universes (an infinity of them) and so on. We can barely grasp these concepts yet we allow ourselves the self-confidence and guts to dismiss waaaay more complicated notions like the metaphysical ones. Stop kidding yourself, will you. We know ***. We're just some overrated monkeys, full of self-esteem and infatuation. What we need in order to grow is a little more humbleness and a realistic self evaluation. Then, we can talk more. Until then, the honest narative is: agnosticism.

So, you're like a 19th century photographer with a basic camera (which is b&w, but he doesn't even realize that) who (let's assume) perceives the world only via its photos and who is debating about the existence of colors. He says that there's no such thing since his camera has never captured one. We both know it never will. What I am saying here? Well, it's all confined in your world view, in your paradigm, in your fundamental premises and axioms about objective reality. Having this fixed (guess what: dogmatic!) apparatus will never ever allow you to perceive and conceive anything else outside those boundaries. And even if you would get the chance of having a real contact with something metaphysical, you will still be in a position where you'll alter its significance, you will twist it and bend it so that it fits with your deterministic, reductionist and mechanistic 4D view about reality. No matter what you'll experience, it will all boil down to this. And if you could not get an explanation to make some sort of sense, you'll then say: well, it's something we do not yet know about, but I am sure that science will at some point clarify this and we will all see it was nothing but a manifestation of the physical world as we know it. So, you're simply not allowing yourself to grasp the mere potential of experiencing something beyond the space-time dimensions.
Let's imagine that there's really a God out there (or everywhere), somehow, in some way. And one day you meet him, or a manifestation of him or something like that. What will you think? Well, let me tell you: "I've met somebody with some strange features but I'm sure there was some 'magic' behind that can be explained after all" or, in case it's a phenomena and not a person, "I've had some sort of a hallucination, not sure why and what it was, but I gotta see a doctor and do some checks on my health".
To make a long story short: it's not atheism, it's not skepticism. It's pure raw nihilism, an existential state of denial meant to dismiss and dismantle whatever crosses some "lines"...
It's not the denial of God, but the unconscious intrinsic and genuine fear of the most elementary concept of God or gods. Brain simply refuses to spawn such an idea.
"Atheism" is a pathology of the tormented soul. That's the way I view this.

This debate is anyway useless and I've stated above why I think so: you are having a dogmatic thought system, based on axioms which were established in the (humanly) observable reality and that's it. What goes outside your belief system (yes, at its roots it's also a belief system!) it's automatically discarded. You don't allow even the slightest probability or possibility that you may be on the wrong track or that this system may be incomplete or faulty. It's just what it is and period. And even if something appears to manifest itself outside this framework, you will take care to absorb it inside with the risk of twisting it, bending or reinterpreting it. Simple as that.
Believe it or not, it's some sort of a wishful thinking at its foundation.
Now, about the "evidence", why in the world I have to write it again: it all depends on the type of evidence that you apriori establish as valid, as expected. And you know already what you'll expect, I also stated that. But take into account that there are humans (a lot of them!) who consider the "evidence" a totally different thing than you expect. To them, the "real realm" is the one manifesting inside, not outside. Because they know that the "most" real thing they are experiencing is their own self, their consciousness, the inner experience. It is more alive than anything we can consider of. Your own self is the sole trustworthy and valid phenomena that you can account for. Without its aliveness and its true existence, you won't be able to discern the rest. It's all based on itself. And this does not mean that the inner experience is disconnected from the outside world, no, not at all! It's just that the scene where all is conceived and manifested is inside. It is there where the actual receptacles exist, that make sense of all and give rise to the the superior dimension which I would call the informational dimension, the one in which you really exist and manifest yourself as a self-aware entity, non localized in space-time and without deterministic fundamental proprieties. You're not the body nor the neuro-cells. But, yet, you feel so real and alive, the most real as you can experience. You exist as a meta-entity, above your physical variables, in a dimension which is indescribable, impossible to define, but damn real. It's the energetic dimension, the one where information resides. Your Self is a cluster of energy, a matrix of bits and bytes which cannot be reduced and explained by the fundamental properties and features of the physical world. There's no necessity at all that such a thing as consciousness and the "self" to arise given the existing properties of the matter as we know it. One cannot ever infer that. It cannot be defined or confined withing this framework. It's f*king more than that!
Now, this is the splitting point between someone like me and an atheist like you: the last will take the consciousness for granted, will over simplify it and will consider that it's just a "manifestation" of the brain and that's it. No more questions asked, no desire to understand that this is not how a scientific method should function. Well, my friend, I'm not satisfied with this approach. And trust me, the position of a non-atheist is waaay more trickier and difficult to be in. Denying is quite a simple process. While searching, wondering, doubting, debating requires damn more than a "no!".

So, to cut the story short, what am I basically saying is this: you cannot dismiss the above concepts when you assess the external world! It's not the rational position to be in. It's not honest and it may not lead to the actual TRUTH, the essence of what it is! There must be more than particles and properties, space-time and energy. It's-a meta concept that is extremely beautiful and complex, something that I think we cannot bring into thought processes, concepts and words. Maybe, just maybe it may be some equations or mathematical models which could be laid down, but way beyond our capacity to grasp the essence out of them, the full picture, the holistic approach...