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  1. [10:25:46 AM] Siggon.k: if you guys get gsf people coming to you about moons, just tell them to fuck off for now
  2. [10:25:53 AM] Siggon.k: unless it is a gsol person
  3. [10:26:39 AM] Siggon.k: if there's any doubt if someone is a gsol person or not, feel free to ask. and the only things gsol should be asking to be transferred are tech and r64's
  4. [11:02:05 AM] Attoy [ybox]: yeah, thanks Sion, kippig pinged about it
  5. [11:02:22 AM] Attoy [ybox]: and I'm late btw gz for the CSM seat ;)
  6. [11:02:27 AM] Siggon.k: thanks
  7. [11:37:00 AM] Gigaplex: can you add kim_briggs@eve-gents.com to the transcript?
  8. [12:00:52 PM] Chance el'Allin - P0LR: Added
  9. [12:01:24 PM] Chance el'Allin - P0LR: Transcript will be updated later today. I have a lacrosse double header with my son
  10. [12:48:34 PM] Gigaplex: thx
  11. [12:51:57 PM] twiggermeister: Oops, forgot mine: dan.ravary@gmail.com
  12. [1:12:24 PM] Chance el'Allin - P0LR: One of my directors had some time to kill and cane up with some name variations
  13.  
  14. Vagabond Consortium (VBC)
  15. VagaBond Conglomerate (VBC)
  16. VagaBond Collective (VBC)
  17.  
  18. No Hassle Consortium (NHC)
  19. No Hassle Conglomerate (NHC)
  20. No Hassle Collective (NHC)
  21.  
  22. The Lightweight Consortium (TLC)
  23. The Lightweight Conglomerate (TLC)
  24. The Lightweight Collective (TLC)
  25. [1:13:01 PM] Chance el'Allin - P0LR: The Lightweight Collective generates a nice ticker and acronym of TLC.
  26.  
  27. The CFC can send some TLC to those who need it :)
  28. [1:15:37 PM] Endie H: Is "Lightweight" not an insult in the US?
  29. [1:15:45 PM] Endie H: It's pretty negative here
  30. [1:15:57 PM] Endie H: Usage would be "he's just a lightweight"
  31. [1:15:58 PM] Senshi [ohcrp]: More like a challenge to drink more
  32. [1:16:21 PM] Chance el'Allin - P0LR: Senshi - added
  33. [1:16:25 PM] Endie H: (I'm also staggered if the "TLC" ticker isn't taken)
  34. [1:17:22 PM] Senshi [ohcrp]: TLC is, -TLC- isn't.
  35. [1:18:13 PM] Chance el'Allin - P0LR: I'm partial to No Hassle. Collective adds something interesting. NHC
  36. [1:40:12 PM] Phineas Freak: i#d prefer a name that does ipl what we want, not imply what we do not want. which is why i do not realy fancy "no hassle" although it is not bad
  37. [1:47:45 PM] Gigaplex: Some Name suggestions of one of my members
  38. [1:47:47 PM] Gigaplex: United Nation of Space [UNS]
  39. Liberty's Diner [LSD]
  40. [1:48:40 PM] Phineas Freak: our corp favourite was SPANDEX [NICE] .. well
  41. [1:48:46 PM] Nova Rain: Could be a bit more honest with that first one, and call it Dyfunctional Bureaucracy... In Space.
  42. [1:49:02 PM] Nova Rain: Anyways, I ran this new alliance past my guys. The reaction was cautious interest. They're mostly curious about three things:
  43. 1) How much internal identity/cohesion/activity this new alliance will have.
  44. 2) What cultural barriers exist between GSF and this new entity.
  45. 3) Who actually ends up running it.
  46. [1:51:57 PM] Phineas Freak: my impression: 1) depends on us and our actions, 2) no SA member requirements, we all were close to gsf before anyway, 3) official leaders known, i do not expect many more dg' nominations until someoen proves hiw worth (i would like to see chance as a dg though since he did good work in gents recruiting)
  47. [1:52:18 PM] Phineas Freak: but yes nova my corp line members will have the same questions
  48. [1:52:38 PM] Nova Rain: There's lots of impressions floating about, but I'd be curious for actual answers, with something concrete rather than hand waving when possible.
  49. [1:54:45 PM] Phineas Freak: we do not expect the iceland visitors to sober up and make a statement before wednesday maybe, sowe scheduled a corp meet n thursday for updates if available
  50. [1:56:53 PM] Nova Rain: And to be constructive, the directions we'd like to see those answers take:
  51. 1) At least some internal identity and structure, even if most activity is CFC, SIG, or corp based.
  52. 2) Significant enough that this new entity can develop largely independent of SA and Goons.
  53. 3) None of the folks from GENTS who were crazy at the end, and ideally no useless middle management types.
  54. [1:58:01 PM] Phineas Freak: are there still issues among certain people you think need working on/fixing?
  55. [1:58:15 PM] Chance el'Allin - P0LR: At the end of the day is up to us to create that identity. If we bring the maturity and sophistication with us and model that to other corps who join and insist on it going forward, we will be rewarded with that type of player.
  56. [1:58:51 PM] Phineas Freak: i am in the comfortable position that no one seems to openly have an issue with us or at least chose to ignore whatever tinfoil/trolling came form my/ou side in the past
  57. [1:59:38 PM] Nova Rain: There's a set of people who I doubt SRNE would want to see as leaders. I don't think it's a particularly resolvable situation, but it also hopefully won't be a concern.
  58. [2:01:10 PM] Phineas Freak: good, in that case i think every rep here should talk seperately to sion once we get to that stage of setting up the leader team (if there is any apart from the listed ones) so he gets an impression what could become an issue.
  59. [2:02:58 PM] Phineas Freak: mind you i would always take into account the possible themittani perspective of "i trust this guy, deal with it or not"
  60. [2:03:43 PM] Phineas Freak: read as: " forget the past, make it work"
  61. [2:14:31 PM] Siggon.k: as I've said, we'll go based on ability rather than corp ticker or anything else
  62. [2:15:14 PM] Siggon.k: the leaders bit is easy though, as that'll be the fuzzy mitten of benevolence
  63. [2:15:52 PM] Siggon.k: so stuff will get delegated out, sure, but those people will be accountable for their actions (or inaction)
  64. [2:16:04 PM] Siggon.k: useless people will get fired
  65. [2:16:15 PM] Siggon.k: useful people, promoted
  66. [2:16:49 PM] Nova Rain: All sensible, but abstract.
  67. [2:19:24 PM] Phineas Freak: basically means that if mittens thinks someone will be useful it does not matter who from the ex-gents people holds grudges or thinks he is not capable.
  68. [2:20:19 PM] Phineas Freak: people who went afk while holding dg roles possible won't get a second chance easily, so i am not overly concerned
  69. [2:22:16 PM] Phineas Freak: also many thanks i to chance, sion and whoever else is providing us with all the summary updates on the backlog. i know i make your job a lot more difficult.
  70. [2:30:09 PM] Rhaybeck [empin]: Chance, can you add Reign: reign797@eve-gents.com
  71. [2:37:35 PM] Rhaybeck [empin]: after our corp meeting, EMPIN throws its support 100% behind the new alliance.
  72. [2:45:33 PM | Edited 2:46:25 PM] wilkco -AIRK: Phineas Freak :-people who went afk while holding dg roles possible won't get a second chance easily, so i am not overly concerned.
  73. The thing is in the new allaince you will prob not have dg's but more role based people for things like fuel and fc stuff becuase we do not have that much sov if any and that will be managed by GSOL
  74. [2:46:43 PM] Phineas Freak: yup that is what i meant.
  75. [2:53:37 PM] Senshi [ohcrp]: Abstract is the best we'll get in a gathering of minds like this. We have one definitive leader right now, and a delegated team of staff that will be there to notice talent and potential. Its good that these questions will be noted in the document, and answered in time, but for now I'm keeping my expectations low and just excited to be involved.
  76. [2:55:33 PM] Nova Rain: Not asking anyone to define a leadership team before there's an alliance or anything. I'm just saying folk care who is on it.
  77. [2:56:24 PM] Nova Rain: All the abstract words in the world wouldn't stop the laughter if you tried to put 1Meukka1 into a leadership role, to give an example that won't be relevant.
  78. [2:57:52 PM] Phineas Freak: indeed :) i have good relations to many people who i know should not be put in heavy duty roles despite my personal friendship with them. but i trust the scouts to recognize that themselves.
  79. [3:15:37 PM] Chance el'Allin - P0LR: This being a new endeavor, it's up to this group to provide the framework. The roles and personnel I'm sure will be sorted out as we get closer to going live. There will be roles to fill and people interested in those jobs. Hopefully those with the interest also have the skill and the time to do it properly. If not, they won't be around long. Leadership burnout is something to be mindful of. Distributing the work load as much as possible is key. Case in point was gents reimbursement. I did the weekly payout. But left the pricing updates, data sets, and doctrine sheets up to others. FC program, logistics, and infrastructure are all going to benefit from the same distribution of work, with someone at the top able to provide the direction need to get the job done.
  80. [3:23:36 PM] Chance el'Allin - P0LR: Rhaybeck - reign added to list
  81. [4:08:39 PM] Siggon.k: it's not abstract in the least
  82. [4:08:55 PM] Siggon.k: if a person is supposed to do a job, and doesn't do it, they'll get replaced
  83. [4:09:52 PM] Siggon.k: and laughter doesn't particularly matter either, this isn't going to be a government by consensus
  84. [4:10:35 PM] Nova Rain: Laughter was a polite way to say "running for the hills".
  85. [4:13:04 PM] Nova Rain: I'm just saying my dudes (and I assume folks in general, but can't really speak for them) care about who ends up on the leadership team, regardless of how it's managed.
  86. [4:13:39 PM] Nova Rain: I don't think there's a particularly good answer to that aside from "our philosphy about management doesn't suck" and "wait and see that we pick good people", it just seemed like a concern worth passing on.
  87. [4:15:44 PM] Siggon.k: well, people are welcome to vote with their feet of course
  88. [4:16:41 PM] marcus allen: i personally dont care about who is in a leadership spot, long as there active and delivering a consitant message
  89. [4:16:43 PM] Siggon.k: can't please everyone, and we're not going to try. the goal is results, and making sure our pilots have fun and are taken care of. our track record on that is pretty good and very public, it isn't exactly an unknown
  90. [4:19:49 PM] wilkco -AIRK: pilots having fun should be the main aim and making it as easy as possible for fc's to take out fleets with out the worry of getting the fingers ponted out them if they welp a fleet
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