(4:31:57 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: because the current fitting team isn't very good
(4:32:31 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: Final Review:Proteus: http://pastebin.com/SMGJ8F2k
Legion : http://pastebin.com/4xxjguvQ +1% PG Implant needed; put in contracts and on
SRPLoki: http://pastebin.com/cc5232BF
Guardian: http://pastebin.com/vqTfT5bj
Oneiros: http://pastebin.com/N07WhcAi
(4:32:41 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: Was what FCON was about to release
(4:32:58 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: Now I am tempted to say hold off on our fit and use the goon one for the war
(4:33:09 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: yeah PL fits, good fits
(4:33:20 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: some groups aren't using EWAR on the legions
(4:33:22 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: Thats what we started with
(4:33:34 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: EWAR is so nice on those
(4:33:50 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: I am not so full of myself that I cant take someone elses fit and tweak it to my needs
(4:33:59 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: low sig means you can even have those legions spread scan res damps on hostile dps and it'll make things tankable
(4:34:39 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: er
(4:34:40 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: Hell our loki fit has the lightest tank.
(4:34:49 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: yeah was about to ask about that
(4:34:53 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: lokis are shit
(4:34:54 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: and its still like 180k ehp
(4:34:59 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: other than for webbing
(4:35:23 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: Mostly for the webs. That and FCON doesnt get great fleet numbers. We need to attempt to do with 70 what others do with 100
(4:35:27 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: hence lokis that can do damage
(4:35:35 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: vs just pure web lokis
(4:36:09 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: Also why we started with PL's fits since they have been running them with 50-70 dudes
(4:36:14 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: more people in legions would be better
(4:36:25 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: theres a reason PL doesn't use arty lokis
(4:36:37 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: I agree. The goal is less then 10% of the fleet in lokis
(4:36:44 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: So generally no more then 5
(4:37:18 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: SMA and CO2 lost tons of armor lokis in any engagement, just not enough tank
(4:39:41 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: bastin/lawn MWD fleet engaged AB ncdot yesterday, got raped
(4:39:52 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: Doesnt suprise me.
(4:40:11 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: That sig bloom on mwd t3s you might as well be flying railgus at that point
(4:40:52 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: yeah, don't really see the point. The lowsig is one of the greatest parts of the doctrine
(4:41:06 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: if range is a issue, fit TDs or target range damps
(4:41:20 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: I used to fly with nam way back in rote. He wasnt bad at theory crafting then. I really wonder what changed.
(4:42:35 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: you can also have a few high skilled Celestis pilots focus scan res damps on hostile webbers to remove any webs
(4:42:39 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: my guess
(4:43:21 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: and its a guess, is that hes a solo/alliance tournament guy. Hes crazy knowledge about that. But hes not a fleet guy
(4:43:45 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: that was lazei and diviil's job
(4:43:51 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: I miss them doing it
(4:43:58 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: yeah same :(
(4:44:03 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: I could look at their fits and understand what they were doing with it
(4:44:20 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: HML tengus was such a weird idea
(4:44:37 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: after they got raped over and over, they changed to it MWD tengus
(4:44:57 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: HML ab tengus would have worked fine against anything but armor T3s. MWD tengus and you might as well undock cerbs
(4:45:11 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: Your losing the tank bonus because your the size of a battleship then
(4:45:27 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: the problem was that all hostiles were using armor T3s when they adapted HML tengus
(4:45:51 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: or most were and others can figured out how good they were FAST
(4:46:02 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: Well its basically going to take a Napoc/TFI fleet to get people out of them.
(4:46:15 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: At which point everyone will more then likely go back to drone doctrines
(4:46:33 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: missiles rose and fell in the meta extremely quickly this time
(4:46:38 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: within 2-3 months
(4:47:29 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: They literally got buffed abused for not even 2 months and then everyone went ahac like doctrines
(4:48:01 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: to be fair PL has been using AHAC 2.0 (its what they call prot/legion) for quite a while now
(4:48:16 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: mostly because of wh force projection though
(4:48:52 PM) xpredat0rz@goonfleet.com/f10185a0: I mean they used them elsewhere with triage but pound for pound its the best doctrine to take through a wh for a fight
(4:49:02 PM) justs@goonfleet.com/Laptop: yup