[5:41pm] Gwen: In the interest of trying to preserve a friendship and based on the desire not to be treated like shit, I'm going to be stepping down as a GM.  I would like this change to be effective immediately, please.
[5:41pm] Tom90deg: hm
[5:41pm] Tom90deg: i suppose so
[5:42pm] Tom90deg: gwen...
[5:42pm] Alivi: Gwen that isn't neceassry.
[5:42pm] Gwen: Well then stop treating me like a piece of shit
[5:42pm] Alivi: Anymore imbalance or changes just upsets a system
[5:42pm] Alivi: Im not treating you like a piece of shit
[5:42pm] Gwen: Stop treating me like I don't know what I am doing
[5:42pm] Gwen: Yes you FUCKING are
[5:42pm] Gwen: You act like you don't trust me
[5:42pm] Gwen: You act like NONE of the choices I make here are right
[5:42pm] Gwen: So yes
[5:43pm] Gwen: My resignation stands
[5:43pm] Alivi: Alright I am not doing this.
[5:43pm] Gwen: It's YOUR fucking problem now
[5:43pm] Tom90deg: Hold on guys...lets just talk about this, please?
[5:43pm] Gwen: you think you can do better
[5:43pm] Gwen: you think you make the better choices
[5:43pm] Gwen: then do it.
[5:43pm] Alivi: I have no interest here
[5:43pm] Gwen: Then STOP ACTING LIKE YOU NO BETTER
[5:43pm] Alivi: but instead of dimissing me when I bring up a point
[5:43pm] Alivi: a valid point
[5:43pm] Tom90deg: Gwen, Alivi, come on, lets take a moment and talk about this, please
[5:43pm] Alivi: then lets talk it out
[5:43pm] Gwen: I did not FUCKING DISMISS YOU
[5:43pm] Alivi: Im trying to
[5:43pm] Gwen: FUCK YOU
[5:43pm] Gwen: FUCK YOU
[5:43pm] Gwen: FUCK YOU
[5:43pm] • Alivi sighs
[5:43pm] Gwen left the chat room. (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
Alivi: I apologize for the trouble Tom and Dex and Scantron
[5:44pm] Tom90deg: sigh
[5:44pm] Tom90deg: I dopn't know what's going on
[5:44pm] Alivi: Honestly I wasnt even going to be on
[5:44pm] Alivi: I just came on to get an email
[5:44pm] Dexanote: what the shit
[5:44pm] Alivi: Basically I talked to Gwen
[5:44pm] Tom90deg: And?
[5:44pm] Alivi: And he told me that he had approved the thing with you.
[5:45pm] Alivi: Which is different than what scan told
[5:45pm] Alivi: me
[5:45pm] Tom90deg: what thing?
[5:45pm] Alivi: So it caused some confusion to me
[5:45pm] Alivi: The thing about the dolls, and allowing traits to be bought using the dolls as familiars.
[5:45pm] Dexanote: I get out of a fifty five minute game
[5:45pm] Dexanote: to this
[5:45pm] Dexanote: holy shit
[5:45pm] Alivi: I just signed on to get an email.
[5:45pm] Tom90deg: Yah
[5:45pm] • Alivi sighs
[5:45pm] Alivi: ANYWAYS
[5:45pm] Alivi: it also is different than what he initally told me
[5:45pm] Alivi: I was upset yesterday cause I was asked by a player to do a scene concerning this plot point
[5:46pm] Alivi: and I had no idea what had gone on, what was going on. I was assured the london plot was nothing RP changing by Gwen and I was told that there would not be any runs something that was changed Friday.
[5:46pm] Dexanote: aaand what does that have to do with right there
[5:46pm] Alivi: Which is fine. All I have asked was that he tell me and he said that he shouldnt have to.
[5:46pm] Tom90deg: I mean...it seems like Gwen decided to do something new....
[5:47pm] Tom90deg: He's the head
[5:47pm] Tom90deg: GM...
[5:47pm] Alivi: which is fine.
[5:47pm] Tom90deg: He wanted to toss something in that was off the cuff or something...
[5:47pm] Alivi: But the communication between GMs
[5:47pm] Alivi: sucks
[5:47pm] Alivi: So if a player comes to me on something I havent been notified
[5:47pm] Dexanote: Alivi we have fantastic communication.
[5:47pm] Alivi: what do I do?
[5:47pm] Dexanote: We PM and we have essential stuff in the topic up there.
[5:47pm] Alivi: Then maybe I am just out of the loop.
[5:47pm] Tom90deg: We really do. We talk a lot
[5:47pm] Tom90deg: No, you were just offline at the time, i think
[5:47pm] Alivi: Because nothing that I have seen covered what I go through
[5:48pm] Dexanote: The dolls? I told you flat out I was supervising it and that any kinks would be worked out with Gwen when Gwen had time
[5:48pm] Alivi: Exactly and no one filled me in.
[5:48pm] Alivi: And that was fine.
[5:48pm] Alivi: But that was after my intial wtf is going on?
[5:48pm] Tom90deg: So what was the problem Alivi?
[5:48pm] Dexanote: It had nothing to do with your NPCs or characters, so it slipped our mind to PM you that Nancy was getting a new trait
[5:48pm] Alivi: Gwen and I also have personal issues going on and I think that influenced it.
[5:48pm] Tom90deg: Why was Gwen so upset?
[5:48pm] Dexanote: We apologize with that.
[5:48pm] Alivi: Thing is Nancy actually wanted to do a scene
[5:48pm] Alivi: with my characters
[5:49pm] Alivi: and I had no idea what was going on so Petra got a little bit confused.
[5:49pm] Tom90deg: Then just tell Petra to wait till you know what's going on
[5:49pm] Alivi: And when everyone else is on the same -
[5:49pm] Alivi: I did
[5:49pm] Dexanote: Then i don't see a problem
[5:49pm] Dexanote: Its handled now
[5:49pm] Alivi: Then you don't see a problem.
[5:49pm] Alivi: I thought there was one. Because I hadn't been informed.
[5:49pm] Alivi: That was just the root of it.
[5:49pm] Alivi: I think the personal stuff escalated it.
[5:50pm] Alivi: Such as Gwen flat out telling me he hated both the playerbase and the RP of BSAA
[5:50pm] Tom90deg: sigh....
[5:50pm] Alivi: and then him assuming all the time that I was never happy here
[5:50pm] Alivi: and that nothing he did pleased me.
[5:50pm] Alivi: Even if I was refrencing something completely different it comes back to this.
[5:51pm] Alivi: And the rest goes into personal issues that I don't think I should disclose.
[5:51pm] Alivi: Anyways I guess I've burned enough bridges haven't I
[5:51pm] Tom90deg: Alivi, it's not about that
[5:51pm] Tom90deg: It's jsut about trying to figure out what's going on
[5:52pm] Alivi: Honestly I have no idea.
[5:52pm] Scantron is now known as Scandinner.
[5:52pm] Dexanote: See, neither of us have any fucking idea what that was up there, so
[5:52pm] Alivi: All I know is he keeps bringing up a personal fear of mine
[5:52pm] Dexanote: And what's that?
[5:52pm] Alivi: and last night we texted
[5:52pm] Alivi: Basically I fear being alone
[5:52pm] Alivi: more specifally becoming a person I hate and pushing those I care away from me
[5:53pm] Alivi: basically he texted me at work
[5:53pm] Alivi: About clarifiying
[5:53pm] Alivi: I said ok I just wish we had communicated better
[5:53pm] Alivi: If you approved it ok.
[5:53pm] Alivi: And he said well all of the GMs online approved it communication was fine.
[5:54pm] Alivi: I said well what about the ones not online. Never tell them unless it comes up (note he texted me at 2am and the response was at 6am when my phone decided to wake me up)
[5:54pm] Dexanote: Then communication was fine...?
[5:54pm] Dexanote: If they weren't informed about something
[5:54pm] Alivi: My issue was no one talked to me
[5:54pm] Alivi: That was it
[5:54pm] Alivi: that was my only issue.
[5:54pm] Dexanote: that means it was handled and informing them about something was REDUNDANT
[5:54pm] Dexanote: You keep bringing that up
[5:54pm] Dexanote: And I keep trying to explain
[5:55pm] Dexanote: if it was handled, most of the time, people won't think to PM each other GM about every little thing IC
[5:55pm] Dexanote: if it was alreadu handled, rather
[5:55pm] Dexanote: already* fk sorry hamburger hands
[5:55pm] Alivi: Its ok.
[5:55pm] Alivi: Basically thing is to me it wasnt a little thing
[5:56pm] Alivi: it is something that influences IC interaction and is a permenant part of play
[5:56pm] Tom90deg: That's the thing, i think
[5:56pm] Alivi: now that we introduced it
[5:56pm] Tom90deg: we may have assumed it was a little thing
[5:56pm] Dexanote: Nancy bought a trait with XP and flavoured it as purchasing a necropuppet. I don't know why this is still such a big issue.
[5:56pm] Dexanote: I wasn't told the details until after you were.
[5:56pm] Alivi: But she isnt the only one
[5:57pm] Alivi: there are other dolls
[5:57pm] Alivi: and other chances to use them
[5:57pm] Dexanote: Yeah, I was there, I was actually RPing and got one
[5:57pm] Alivi: what about other characters and players
[5:57pm] Alivi: and good for you
[5:57pm] Alivi: Im just saying it isnt as small as you think
[5:57pm] Alivi: it does change a little bit.
[5:57pm] Alivi: And that is all
[5:57pm] Dexanote: What do you propose we do NOW then?
[5:58pm] Scandinner is now known as Scantron.
[5:58pm] Alivi: Well that is the thing Ive been asking. And really it is fine you all approved it. Great and go through with it. But for the longest time I had no fucking idea.
[5:58pm] Scantron: i've been pinged
[5:58pm] Tom90deg: Alivi, I didn't either.
[5:58pm] Alivi: And then to top it all off he brings in personal stuff about my life
[5:58pm] Alivi: and then he yells at me
[5:58pm] Alivi: I accept it
[5:59pm] Alivi: I get on Tom said he had an idea and I bring up a point I think is semi-relevant
[5:59pm] Alivi: and then Gwen blew up at me because apparently me being upset and not talking to him fully
[5:59pm] Alivi: is treating him like shit
[6:00pm] Alivi: when Honestly I have a lot more other stressors, things in my life that frankly he has told me he doesnt wanna hear about or gets tired of hearing about, and then he presses me to tell him. For what?! I have no fucking idea.
[6:00pm] Alivi: And then it someone turns to me not trusting him and w/e
[6:00pm] Alivi: So
[6:00pm] Alivi: Yes.
[6:00pm] Alivi: Tonight I ended up fucking everything up. Like normal.
[6:00pm] Alivi: I apologize and I know nothing I can do will make it right.
[6:00pm] Tom90deg: Alivi, that's not true
[6:00pm] Alivi: Then what is?
[6:00pm] Tom90deg: we just need to talk and figure things out
[6:00pm] Tom90deg: that's all
[6:01pm] Dexanote: We can also learn to drop things
[6:01pm] Alivi: Im honestly shaking right now. Im sorry.
[6:01pm] Tom90deg: everyone needs to not take things personaly, and not take things like an attack...
[6:01pm] Alivi: Thing is
[6:01pm] Alivi: Gwen brought our personal business in here.
[6:01pm] Alivi: Just like before.
[6:01pm] Dexanote: I have no idea what's up with Gwen and you. If i may be honest, I don't care, because it's not my business. I know you're friends but I'm concerned with the stuff that affects me and this roleplay. Forgive me for bluntness but yeah.
[6:02pm] Alivi: I understand.
[6:02pm] Alivi: But you are asking what happened that is what happened.
[6:02pm] Alivi: Right now the RP doesnt have a head GM anylonger
[6:02pm] Tom90deg: I mean...here's the thing
[6:02pm] Alivi: because Gwen resigned.
[6:02pm] Scantron: I'll take it.
[6:02pm] Alivi: and he has directly blamed me
[6:02pm] Alivi: as the reason
[6:02pm] Tom90deg: Well, Gwen is talking to me, and he's wondering what he should do
[6:02pm] Tom90deg: if he should come back and everything
[6:02pm] Alivi: he should
[6:02pm] Tom90deg: Alivi, it's not about blame
[6:02pm] Alivi: because anymore imbalance and changes
[6:02pm] Alivi: would confuse the playerbase
[6:03pm] Alivi: We cant be constantly changing shit in the GM level cause then it is unstable.
[6:03pm] Alivi: Management needs to stay stable
[6:03pm] Tom90deg: That goes both ways, if management is always on edge, that's not stable either...
[6:03pm] Dexanote: Alivi. There have been several times that you've come across as feeling that you're greatly unhappy with the state of GMs in this roleplay. I mean, this thing today? THe doll thing? This is not a huge deal and its been going on for two days.
[6:03pm] Tom90deg: We just need to talk, and figure things out
[6:04pm] Dexanote: We talked after the fact. Okay. We got it, you wanted in on it. Now we move on.
[6:04pm] • Dexanote sighs.
[6:04pm] Alivi: I am moved on Dex
[6:04pm] Dexanote: OKay.
[6:04pm] Alivi: we are now talking about head Gms
[6:04pm] Alivi: Please do not think I am still harping on that crap
[6:04pm] Alivi: ok
[6:05pm] Alivi: Im sorry.
[6:05pm] Tom90deg: but what do you guys think?
[6:05pm] Alivi: of?
[6:05pm] Dexanote: Of what?
[6:05pm] Dexanote: Discussion?
[6:05pm] Dexanote: We discuss often.
[6:06pm] Dexanote: Its hard to get all... what seven of us together
[6:06pm] Alivi: it is that is why we can use things like tells, GM Meetings, Pastebins or even Tom's suggestion of a Staff Forum/Board/Wall/Wiki
[6:07pm] Tom90deg: of Gwen, head GM, what he should do
[6:07pm] Alivi: He should come back
[6:07pm] Alivi: it shouldnt be a problem if he hasnt annocued it to the playerbase
[6:07pm] Alivi: has he?
[6:07pm] Alivi: I am not in OOC
[6:07pm] Tom90deg: donb't think qo
[6:07pm] Scantron: He has not.
[6:08pm] Dexanote: He simply quit.
[6:08pm] Alivi: Good.Then if he comes back then nothing has changed and everything is still ok
[6:08pm] Tom90deg: Alivi, he still feels hurt, and dosn't know if he should come back.
[6:09pm] Alivi: And I feel hurt as well
[6:09pm] Alivi: if it makes anything better (probably will)
[6:09pm] Alivi: I canresign
[6:09pm] Tom90deg: No no...
[6:09pm] Alivi: then he wont have to worry about me
[6:09pm] Tom90deg: this isn't about that
[6:09pm] Alivi: and you guys can all be ok
[6:09pm] Scantron: I think that would be wise.
[6:09pm] Alivi: Alright then
[6:09pm] Tom90deg: Alivi, the reason he's UPSET is cause he DOES worry about you
[6:09pm] Tom90deg: Scan
[6:09pm] Alivi: That is personal tom
[6:09pm] Tom90deg: I know
[6:10pm] Alivi: he needs to learn to seperate personal feelings from being a GM
[6:10pm] Tom90deg: that's always very hard
[6:10pm] Alivi: even if someone is your friend you cant go easy on them, and you treat them the same as the annoying player. Everyone talks to eachother because we are all on equal footing and open with eachother cause that is what staff does.
[6:10pm] Alivi: It is hard.
[6:10pm] Alivi: But it is a part of your job and it is what you are expected to do.
[6:11pm] Alivi: If you dont trust someone on staff they shouldnt be on staff.
[6:11pm] Dexanote: It MIGHT be best if you resigned but stayed on as a player. I've never seen a player-GM problem between you two, but you always seem to butt heads when you're both GMs.
[6:11pm] Alivi: Actually it is funny Dex
[6:11pm] Alivi: He and I are very very close and we work closely elsewhere on management and GM matters.
[6:12pm] Alivi: It just seems like in BSAA we have too many issues.
[6:12pm] Alivi: Unfortunately if I resign two times
[6:12pm] Tom90deg: Then if BSAA is the main stressor, you need to figure out what is going on
[6:12pm] Alivi: I have no idea why it is only here.
[6:12pm] Tom90deg: Not from the whole game, but as GM, player may be best
[6:13pm] Alivi: I do not think I can or should stay as a player
[6:13pm] Tom90deg: why?
[6:13pm] Alivi: Because this is the second time I have resigned from being a GM
[6:13pm] Dexanote: I think player would be fine, as i've only seen issues and arguments in regards to administrative duties
[6:13pm] Dexanote: So?
[6:13pm] Alivi: and this time around I can only imagine all the other things
[6:13pm] Alivi: and honestly I have heard that people really dont like me much here.
[6:14pm] Alivi: It may just be best that I move on entirely
[6:14pm] Alivi: Not to mention because I am no longer GM
[6:14pm] Alivi: Mags loses Charlie's teacher
[6:14pm] Alivi: Alex loses his mentor among other things
[6:14pm] Alivi: and honestly I dont wanna face that fallout.
[6:15pm] Dexanote: If you feel that is best, we can manage something NPC wise. But I would greatly advise against fully extracting yourself.
[6:16pm] Alivi: Right now I think I should take a "break"
[6:16pm] Tom90deg: same here
[6:16pm] Alivi: I request you do not use my characters
[6:16pm] Alivi: but make others.
[6:16pm] Tom90deg: Alivi, i think a break may be good. And I don't mean a permaint break
[6:16pm] Tom90deg: but some time off from online may be good. You've had a lot of crap happen to you lately, not just in here
[6:16pm] Alivi: Honestly as player…I do not have confidence that my characters would be taken care of.
[6:17pm] Alivi: I know tom...
[6:17pm] Scantron: I have no intention of playing any of your NPCs :P
[6:17pm] Dexanote: I wouldn't touch your characters, either. They're not mine.
[6:17pm] Scantron: I don't think anyone else would either
[6:17pm] Dexanote: I would never do them justice.
[6:17pm] Tom90deg: naw, noone would
[6:17pm] Alivi: I know but still you never know.
[6:17pm] Alivi: Dex you dont even know them silly...
[6:17pm] Dexanote: Exactly
[6:17pm] Alivi: but yea. Miki to date still doesnt have a teacher
[6:17pm] Alivi: nor does Dimitri
[6:18pm] Tom90deg: That's my fault
[6:18pm] Alivi: and we never resolved some of those things.
[6:18pm] Tom90deg: we can get that worked with
[6:18pm] Alivi: yep.
[6:18pm] Gwen joined the chat room.
[6:18pm] Gwen was promoted to operator by ChanServ.
[6:18pm] Alivi: Well with that
[6:18pm] Alivi: I guess I am leaving
[6:18pm] Dexanote: A break. Please come back in the future.
[6:18pm] Gwen: not yet
[6:18pm] Alivi: Thank you all. And again I am sorry for the issues I have caused.
[6:18pm] Dexanote: Hold on
[6:18pm] Alivi: ...
[6:18pm] Dexanote: HOLD ON
[6:18pm] Alivi: i am
[6:19pm] Gwen: I have something to say
[6:19pm] Alivi: ok.
[6:19pm] Scantron is now known as S.
[6:19pm] S is now known as Scantron.
[6:22pm] Gwen: I would like to apologize for my outburst earlier.  It was inappropriate.  That being said, I am deeply offended by your messages, and the lack of trust you have for me.  I am deeply offended by your lack of faith (for lack of a better cliche) in my decisions as a GM.  And I am deeply offended that you think that I EVER would dismiss you...that you think I would EVER do that to my friend.
[6:22pm] Alivi: …I am sorry for deeply offending you.
[6:23pm] Alivi: Are we done here?
[6:23pm] Gwen: and think about this, Alivi.  When you ran the Thoth's daughter thing, you didn't communicate until after it was done, think about my reaction.
[6:23pm] Gwen: Yes, we're done.
[6:23pm] Alivi: I actualyl Gwen
[6:24pm] Alivi: never put it into play
[6:24pm] Alivi: until after you approved it.
[6:24pm] Alivi: I told Posit on purpose to wait until I had a chance to talk to you.
[6:24pm] Alivi: So…yes let's think about that.
[6:24pm] Tom90deg: Guys...
[6:24pm] Dexanote: ...
[6:24pm] Alivi: Anywhom.
[6:24pm] Dexanote: This isn't going to go well.
[6:24pm] Alivi: Yea…hence why I am leaving.