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<font color="#E5E5E5">hi everybody Savannah Lindy completa</font>

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main<font color="#E5E5E5"> Radio hope you&#39;re doing well so a</font>

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lot<font color="#CCCCCC"> of times on this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> show we</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> talk to</font>

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people<font color="#E5E5E5"> you already know</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> or who have been</font>

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in the public eye to one<font color="#CCCCCC"> degree or</font>

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another for<font color="#CCCCCC"> a substantial</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> amount of time</font>

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this conversation is going to be a

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little bit different<font color="#CCCCCC"> we&#39;re</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> going to</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">you&#39;re talking to James d&#39;amour</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> now</font>

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James is the writer<font color="#CCCCCC"> of the memo that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> has</font>

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been characterized as critical of

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<font color="#E5E5E5">diversity despite the fact</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that James</font>

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repeatedly in<font color="#E5E5E5"> 50 very Pro diversity that</font>

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erupted<font color="#E5E5E5"> and over the last couple of days</font>

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has caused quite a firestorm<font color="#CCCCCC"> across the</font>

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internet on television<font color="#CCCCCC"> on radio</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and so</font>

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on and I did a<font color="#E5E5E5"> video response to it</font>

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recently<font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> after I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> put out a video</font>

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response we found out that James had

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been fired from Google<font color="#E5E5E5"> so we wanted to</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">talk to James I wanted to talk to James</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">to find out what it&#39;s been like and what</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">his thought process were in producing</font>

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this article is the<font color="#E5E5E5"> series of arguments</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">and what the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> response has been like and</font>

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you know what it&#39;s like<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> be in the</font>

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very center<font color="#CCCCCC"> of one of these highly</font>

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controversial but absolutely necessary

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conversations in society needs<font color="#E5E5E5"> to have</font>

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so James<font color="#E5E5E5"> I really really appreciate you</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">taking the time today yeah thanks now</font>

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your thought process<font color="#E5E5E5"> I know that you had</font>

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complained in the past to a Labor

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Relations Board<font color="#E5E5E5"> about what was going on</font>

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in your work environment<font color="#CCCCCC"> but I also know</font>

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that<font color="#E5E5E5"> you you&#39;ve</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> been a researcher at</font>

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Princeton at Harvard at MIT or<font color="#CCCCCC"> your</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">master&#39;s degree in biological systems</font>

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and<font color="#E5E5E5"> so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on can</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you just give us</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a sense</font>

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of your intellectual<font color="#E5E5E5"> growth towards the</font>

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memo that was<font color="#E5E5E5"> recently I guess elevated</font>

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to a center of<font color="#E5E5E5"> the firestorm status</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yes</font>

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so I<font color="#E5E5E5"> guess in general</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I just really like</font>

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understanding<font color="#CCCCCC"> things and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> recently I&#39;ve</font>

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you know<font color="#E5E5E5"> through interactions with</font>

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different<font color="#CCCCCC"> people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I&#39;ve noticed just how</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">different political ideologies I have</font>

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sort of<font color="#CCCCCC"> divide us in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> many</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> ways</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and what</font>

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I wanted<font color="#E5E5E5"> to understand what was behind</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">all that and so I read a lot</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in to</font>

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Jonathan<font color="#CCCCCC"> heights work and a lot of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what</font>

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is actually<font color="#E5E5E5"> the philosophy</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> behind all of</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">these things</font>

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and that led me to at<font color="#E5E5E5"> least the</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">beginning of the document and what was</font>

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it in the writers<font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you read at night</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> think it was that you found sort of</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">laid</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the illumination moment the moment</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">of like aha</font>

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this is going to make some<font color="#E5E5E5"> of the jigsaw</font>

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puzzles fit into place I guess<font color="#CCCCCC"> just I I</font>

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could see that<font color="#CCCCCC"> all of us are really</font>

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blind to the other side<font color="#E5E5E5"> and so in these</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">environments where everyone is just in</font>

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the same<font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> go chamber</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just talking</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font>

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themselves<font color="#E5E5E5"> then they&#39;re totally blind to</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">so</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> many things and we really need both</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">sides to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be talking to each other about</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">these things and and you trying to</font>

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understand<font color="#E5E5E5"> each</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> other</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> because you had a</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">very interesting critique at the</font>

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beginning and I you know<font color="#E5E5E5"> people will</font>

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blink to the full document below<font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font>

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I&#39;ll talk about how<font color="#E5E5E5"> shameful the bars at</font>

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so<font color="#E5E5E5"> many</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> outlets</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> said what we basically</font>

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we&#39;ve edited the document a<font color="#E5E5E5"> little bit</font>

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you<font color="#E5E5E5"> know we&#39;ve removed some charts and</font>

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of the major media outlets was had had

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removed<font color="#E5E5E5"> all of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> your sources and said you</font>

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know it&#39;s clear is the unsourced it&#39;s

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like come on<font color="#E5E5E5"> as you know you&#39;ve got to</font>

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be kidding me there&#39;s<font color="#E5E5E5"> anything close to</font>

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believable but you had an interesting

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critique of the left<font color="#E5E5E5"> and the right the</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">neither of which are</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> particularly</font>

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satisfying for<font color="#E5E5E5"> sort of flesh that</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">philosophy of the world</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but if you could</font>

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go<font color="#CCCCCC"> over</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that sort of briefly and give</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">people your thoughts on the strengths</font>

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and<font color="#CCCCCC"> weaknesses you see</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of these two</font>

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political paradigms<font color="#E5E5E5"> mm-hmm there so I</font>

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guess some<font color="#E5E5E5"> of the easiest ways of</font>

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understanding say the<font color="#E5E5E5"> last is it&#39;s very</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">open it&#39;s looking for changes just and</font>

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while the right is more closed and want

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more stability and there&#39;s<font color="#E5E5E5"> definitely</font>

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advantages to both of those sometimes

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<font color="#E5E5E5">there are</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> things that you need to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> change</font>

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but you<font color="#CCCCCC"> also need a vision</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> for what you</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">actually want and there&#39;s a lot of value</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">for example</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in tradition but not all</font>

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traditions<font color="#CCCCCC"> should be how they are you</font>

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know<font color="#E5E5E5"> okay I so I sort of get a sense</font>

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like you<font color="#E5E5E5"> know to the ancient classical</font>

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Chinese civilization that was like the

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save year after year century after

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century sometimes it seemed like

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millennia after millennia but

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is really really<font color="#CCCCCC"> chaotic times like the</font>

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1960s where there seems<font color="#CCCCCC"> to be like a</font>

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real<font color="#E5E5E5"> pedal to the metal kind of gas</font>

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acceleration of change to the<font color="#E5E5E5"> point</font>

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where<font color="#CCCCCC"> people can&#39;t even</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> keep up and</font>

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cultures<font color="#E5E5E5"> can adapt to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it yeah</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and I what</font>

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I found<font color="#CCCCCC"> also very interesting was that</font>

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these create biases for ourselves and<font color="#E5E5E5"> so</font>

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this is particularly<font color="#E5E5E5"> interesting when we</font>

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talk<font color="#CCCCCC"> about how</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it relates</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to reality</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font>

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so both<font color="#CCCCCC"> sides are biased</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in certain ways</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">and they want</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to have motivated</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">reasoning to see what they want out of a</font>

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lot<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> things and so this happens a lot</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">in social sciences where where it&#39;s 95</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">percent leaning to the left and so they</font>

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only<font color="#E5E5E5"> study what they want and they only</font>

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see<font color="#CCCCCC"> the types</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of things that they want</font>

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and they really aren&#39;t<font color="#CCCCCC"> that critical of</font>

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their own research<font color="#E5E5E5"> as much as they</font>

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should<font color="#E5E5E5"> and you know that I hope I put</font>

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and I so the popular<font color="#CCCCCC"> conception is just</font>

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that you know<font color="#CCCCCC"> the right</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> doesn&#39;t</font>

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understand science at<font color="#E5E5E5"> all and it&#39;s anti</font>

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science<font color="#E5E5E5"> and it&#39;s true that they</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> often</font>

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deny evolution and climate science<font color="#E5E5E5"> but</font>

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or climate<font color="#CCCCCC"> change but the left</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> also has</font>

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its own<font color="#E5E5E5"> things that it denies so</font>

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biological differences between<font color="#E5E5E5"> people in</font>

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this case<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know sex differences what</font>

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was it that<font color="#E5E5E5"> you saw so you started in</font>

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Google at 2013 and<font color="#CCCCCC"> just sort of geek to</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">ging I wanted to get a sense of how</font>

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you&#39;ve gotten<font color="#E5E5E5"> so much into computers how</font>

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you learned how to program because<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font>

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course<font color="#E5E5E5"> your degree wasn&#39;t in that where</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">did you first developed this sort</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font>

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talent<font color="#E5E5E5"> or ability with with computers</font>

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and what were your first impressions<font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font>

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2013 when you started as a software

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engineering intern yeah so I I never

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<font color="#E5E5E5">really was the science or a computer</font>

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science major<font color="#CCCCCC"> I was a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> kid I made a</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">computer or calculator games and I just</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was like a real</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> moment I knew but I</font>

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guess I<font color="#CCCCCC"> got into a chest and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so I I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">like was a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> couple years of my</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> life so</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font>

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doing anything<font color="#CCCCCC"> relate to computers and</font>

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how I actually got into<font color="#CCCCCC"> Google was I</font>

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found these

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coding competitions<font color="#E5E5E5"> it&#39;s just you know</font>

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these puzzles that<font color="#E5E5E5"> you have to solve</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">within a certain time and I did well</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">enough</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I made it to the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> semifinals or</font>

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something for Google&#39;s<font color="#E5E5E5"> and they just</font>

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recruited me out<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that right and it</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> google</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it obviously is you know a</font>

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dream job<font color="#CCCCCC"> they have huge benefits and so</font>

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I was happy<font color="#CCCCCC"> to go there and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> Google has</font>

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always been like I love Google so<font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font>

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know Android I was<font color="#E5E5E5"> always an Android</font>

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fanboy<font color="#CCCCCC"> and stuff</font>

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now when you started to to look at

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<font color="#E5E5E5">Google and I spent a lot of time in the</font>

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IT well this have<font color="#E5E5E5"> been an entrepreneur</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">in the IT world high a lot</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of coders and</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">one of the things that I&#39;ve</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> noticed and</font>

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tell me this<font color="#E5E5E5"> is purely anecdotal right</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">that we want to draw</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> line</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> between the</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">science we&#39;ll be talking about it a bit</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">it just sort of the anecdotal stuff</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">James but for me the engineers who</font>

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worked most closely with<font color="#E5E5E5"> the code and</font>

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and<font color="#E5E5E5"> particularly like the base layers</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">right like not the user interface stuff</font>

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and all<font color="#CCCCCC"> that but the real base layers of</font>

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the software<font color="#E5E5E5"> a lot of them tended to be</font>

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more conservative and<font color="#E5E5E5"> I have this sort</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">of vague association in my brain time</font>

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with this the<font color="#E5E5E5"> courts with your</font>

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experience<font color="#E5E5E5"> or not which is that when</font>

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you&#39;re working<font color="#E5E5E5"> deep in the bowels of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font>

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software it&#39;s like it better work you

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have to<font color="#CCCCCC"> be objective it&#39;s all facts well</font>

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you can&#39;t<font color="#E5E5E5"> will anything and you don&#39;t</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">have to worry about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people like the user</font>

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interface people they&#39;re always like

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well what<font color="#CCCCCC"> would the people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> do and have</font>

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what they swipe and what would they do

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<font color="#E5E5E5">is the one right and I think</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that there</font>

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may be an<font color="#E5E5E5"> association between software</font>

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engineering and conservatism because

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you&#39;re dealing<font color="#CCCCCC"> with logic facts reality</font>

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that if an evidence based argument comes

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along or a really<font color="#E5E5E5"> tightly recent</font>

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argument comes along because<font color="#CCCCCC"> of all of</font>

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the<font color="#E5E5E5"> training</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that goes into</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> an all the</font>

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experience that<font color="#CCCCCC"> goes into dealing</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> with</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">facts</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> reality and evidence and the</font>

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empirical<font color="#E5E5E5"> question of does it work is it</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">faster is it more efficient as</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> uses</font>

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less memory or whatever<font color="#E5E5E5"> have you found</font>

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any association<font color="#CCCCCC"> between software</font>

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engineers<font color="#E5E5E5"> and conservatism is that</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">somewhat boxed</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> into</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> my experience or is</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">that more general do you think so at</font>

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least

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personality-wise<font color="#E5E5E5"> one the two biggest</font>

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differences<font color="#CCCCCC"> between the left and right</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">the left is often more open so openness</font>

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to new ideas<font color="#CCCCCC"> and so that&#39;s why often</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">academia is so less leaning but the</font>

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right is has higher conscientiousness

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<font color="#E5E5E5">which is also very</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> useful so I guess in</font>

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this very<font color="#E5E5E5"> low-level</font>

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type work where you&#39;re<font color="#E5E5E5"> just debugging</font>

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all the time and you really<font color="#CCCCCC"> have to</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">persevere to get these things going that</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">would be something that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> may be</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> more</font>

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conservative<font color="#CCCCCC"> people would excel at yeah</font>

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I<font color="#CCCCCC"> mean I</font>

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I know what you&#39;re saying about the

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openness<font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the left</font>

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you know in<font color="#E5E5E5"> my experience I mean I went</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">to a bunch</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of Canadian universities a</font>

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lot of<font color="#CCCCCC"> Makana</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> on the left as was the</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">theater school that I went to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> my opinion</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">I didn&#39;t find them</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> be particularly</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">open to non leftist ideas</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> here like this</font>

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helps us<font color="#CCCCCC"> accelerate the leftist agenda</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">I&#39;m really open to it I said wait a</font>

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minute<font color="#CCCCCC"> this evidence-based</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> science-based</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">argument retard to the leftist agenda</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">I must attack and destroy of using ad</font>

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hominem I don&#39;t know that<font color="#CCCCCC"> it&#39;s openness</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">as a whole because openness as a whole</font>

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to me comes more out<font color="#CCCCCC"> of people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> who just</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">sort of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Reason an evidence-based there</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">is like okay well</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> if this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is what the</font>

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reason and the evidence is I guess we

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have to<font color="#CCCCCC"> go</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> way scientists</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to me</font>

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tend to<font color="#E5E5E5"> be more open</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but they&#39;re</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> open</font>

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with standards<font color="#E5E5E5"> whereas the left seems to</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">me more</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> open like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> cool enthusiastic</font>

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advances our<font color="#E5E5E5"> agenda I don&#39;t know like if</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">you say well Google is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a really a</font>

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company that you<font color="#CCCCCC"> know it&#39;s dominated by</font>

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leftist politics really open<font color="#CCCCCC"> to new</font>

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arguments new ideas it&#39;s like what you

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<font color="#CCCCCC">did put out</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this set of arguments it did</font>

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not appear<font color="#CCCCCC"> to be</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> overly open to it yeah</font>

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I<font color="#CCCCCC"> think that&#39;s partly just a symptom</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font>

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the echo chamber that we were in<font color="#CCCCCC"> hmm and</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">so if we were in a more understanding</font>

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environment where the two<font color="#CCCCCC"> sides actually</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">talk to each</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> other then hopefully at</font>

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least<font color="#CCCCCC"> they would be more open to ideas</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">that run counter to their internal</font>

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morals<font color="#E5E5E5"> and when you would there or in</font>

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the I guess maybe the Silicon Valley

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culture as a whole<font color="#CCCCCC"> hmm I mean I know</font>

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there are conservatives<font color="#CCCCCC"> I know there</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> are</font>

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none<font color="#CCCCCC"> left is you know in the same where</font>

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you know<font color="#CCCCCC"> like to me if you look at a</font>

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picture<font color="#E5E5E5"> of like a I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> don&#39;t know like a</font>

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frat or or a school at University and

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all-male<font color="#CCCCCC"> university from like a hundred</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">years</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> ago</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you know there are some gay</font>

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guys there<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know that for a fact but</font>

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they just<font color="#CCCCCC"> you know they kind of</font>

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underground<font color="#CCCCCC"> they&#39;re in the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> closet and so</font>

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on is there a significant proportion do

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you think of<font color="#E5E5E5"> people in Silicon Valley</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">who are not on the left or who is</font>

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skeptical<font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the left but who really</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">keep themselves hunkered down</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and silent</font>

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because<font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a fear of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this kind of</font>

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backlash<font color="#E5E5E5"> so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> definitely</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> those aren&#39;t</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">on the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> left</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">feel like they need to stay in the</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">closet and not really reveal themselves</font>

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and actually<font color="#E5E5E5"> mask and say</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> things that</font>

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they<font color="#CCCCCC"> don&#39;t believe I think</font>

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one thing<font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> maybe you and I haven&#39;t</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">really looked at this too deeply is that</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">there are a lot of libertarians so which</font>

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would be<font color="#E5E5E5"> sort of independent of the left</font>

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and<font color="#CCCCCC"> right</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> because the at least according</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">to Jonathan Heights work</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the libertarian</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">mindset is actually very logical and so</font>

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which would fit with coding yes<font color="#CCCCCC"> no and I</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">I think</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you know for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> me when I first got</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">into</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> philosophy I loved</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> love loved the</font>

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logical<font color="#CCCCCC"> rigor of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it and when I first</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">became aware</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of I mean</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I was kind</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">knew this in science but in philosophy</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">that evidence really matters</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and you</font>

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don&#39;t<font color="#E5E5E5"> just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> sort of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> come up</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> with all</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">these</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> theoretical constructs and impose</font>

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them on the<font color="#E5E5E5"> world like I could cookie</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">cat or like you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> know this idea what</font>

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communism<font color="#E5E5E5"> is just this way it&#39;s</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> rides</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">we&#39;re</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> going to impose it no matter how</font>

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many<font color="#CCCCCC"> parties pile</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> up once I kind</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of God</font>

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how important evidence was and became<font color="#E5E5E5"> a</font>

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real empiricist<font color="#CCCCCC"> ah</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you know to me the</font>

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the<font color="#E5E5E5"> coding that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I did was was sort of</font>

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logical<font color="#E5E5E5"> and empirical the philosophy</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is</font>

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I did with logical empirical<font color="#E5E5E5"> the show</font>

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that I run now we mean a work as<font color="#CCCCCC"> hard</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> as</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">I can</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to be logical and empirical though</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">it is tough sometimes when it goes</font>

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against<font color="#E5E5E5"> your pre-existing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> ideas but that</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">doesn&#39;t mean to be</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> kind of um</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font>

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guess a meeting point<font color="#E5E5E5"> or synchronicity</font>

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between libertarianism<font color="#E5E5E5"> and coding which</font>

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is interesting<font color="#E5E5E5"> because I do get a lot of</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">social justice warrior vibe coming</font>

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coming<font color="#E5E5E5"> out of Silicon Valley</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and to me</font>

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it&#39;s<font color="#CCCCCC"> always like okay well libertarians</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">and rational</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people have created all</font>

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this cool economic productivity<font color="#E5E5E5"> and now</font>

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the<font color="#E5E5E5"> company</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> is so wealthy it can afford</font>

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to hire a bunch<font color="#E5E5E5"> of social</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> justice</font>

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warriors and then things go from there

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<font color="#E5E5E5">yeah and I think there&#39;s</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> definitely some</font>

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I think<font color="#CCCCCC"> a lot of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the entrepreneur</font>

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mindset is sort of retiring into<font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font>

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know self-reliance<font color="#E5E5E5"> and I I mean</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Peter</font>

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teal is libertarian<font color="#E5E5E5"> I I don&#39;t think</font>

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Sergey Brin<font color="#E5E5E5"> our co-founder has really</font>

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declared himself<font color="#E5E5E5"> one way or</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the other</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">but I&#39;ve always interpreted the things</font>

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that he said<font color="#CCCCCC"> to be very</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> not partisan</font>

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like he&#39;s always wanted the two sides to

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talk to each other which is and he&#39;s

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very

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on politically correct<font color="#E5E5E5"> and a lot of</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">things</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that he says so yeah I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">he may identify</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> as libertarian but any</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">teachers does not want to say it yeah</font>

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well I can understand<font color="#CCCCCC"> why these</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> days</font>

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particularly you<font color="#CCCCCC"> know as you get big as</font>

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a corporation<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know Microsoft had</font>

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this issue<font color="#E5E5E5"> IBM</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it was brutal I think it</font>

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was in<font color="#E5E5E5"> the 80s that it started</font>

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IBM one of them say oh well you<font color="#E5E5E5"> know</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">Microsoft just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> kind of took PC</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Das away</font>

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from IBM<font color="#CCCCCC"> and ran with it you have a one</font>

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of<font color="#CCCCCC"> the reasons for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> IBM got</font>

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dragged in by the Department of Justice

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<font color="#CCCCCC">into like this 13-year soul-crushing</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">battle of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> antitrust prosecution</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and boy</font>

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that&#39;s<font color="#E5E5E5"> going to just people just don&#39;t</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">want</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to work there oh I&#39;m going to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> spend</font>

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the<font color="#E5E5E5"> rest of my career in depositions</font>

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never<font color="#E5E5E5"> I think I think not and this you</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">know when you get to be a big enough</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">company you know I I criticize Google</font>

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for<font color="#E5E5E5"> some</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> degree</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I also fully am</font>

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sensitive<font color="#CCCCCC"> to the to the reality</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font>

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they&#39;re living<font color="#E5E5E5"> in a kind of hair-trigger</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">lawsuit happy Department</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of Justice I</font>

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mean you know I<font color="#E5E5E5"> mean if Clinton</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">gone</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> ended the business environment I</font>

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mean<font color="#E5E5E5"> he she wouldn&#39;t be repealing like</font>

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16 to<font color="#CCCCCC"> 1 like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> for every like Trump had</font>

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this thing like<font color="#E5E5E5"> for every new regulation</font>

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to have to be<font color="#CCCCCC"> canceled he&#39;s like 16 to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> 1</font>

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or 18 to 1 cancellations to new wouldn&#39;t

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be in the case if Hillary gotten in and

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you do as a big<font color="#E5E5E5"> company have to live in</font>

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this<font color="#CCCCCC"> kind the litigious world and and I</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">mean that the lawsuit already going on</font>

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against Google for pay pay disparities

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and<font color="#E5E5E5"> so on so it is a real challenge</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font>

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operate in that<font color="#E5E5E5"> kind of environment</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">you don&#39;t want to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> get sucked</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> into one of</font>

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these like endless<font color="#E5E5E5"> legal actions</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in</font>

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particular if it&#39;s Department of Justice

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based<font color="#E5E5E5"> I mean they&#39;ll just drain your</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">will to live if you&#39;re a big</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> corporation</font>

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so I am sensitive<font color="#E5E5E5"> to the fact that when</font>

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you bubble up something<font color="#CCCCCC"> like this and</font>

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we&#39;ll get to the thought process in<font color="#E5E5E5"> a</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">sec that&#39;s right with you when you</font>

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bubble up something<font color="#CCCCCC"> like this they have</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">to look at that in in a sort of big</font>

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legal picture framework and say<font color="#CCCCCC"> okay</font>

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well how<font color="#CCCCCC"> does this position at this that</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> other and all the other things that</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">could possibly go</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> on and it may not</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be</font>

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a decision<font color="#CCCCCC"> like your termination may not</font>

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be solely related to well this is<font color="#E5E5E5"> just</font>

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bad think and we got to get<font color="#CCCCCC"> rid of this</font>

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guy but there may be very big concerns

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which you know<font color="#E5E5E5"> maybe you and I aren&#39;t</font>

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particularly aware of<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> sure</font>

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Google<font color="#E5E5E5"> is under a ton of pressure on</font>

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multiple fronts<font color="#E5E5E5"> and throughout the globe</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> definitely complicates things</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah</font>

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now what was your<font color="#E5E5E5"> thought process around</font>

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this I wish I had the right word for<font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font>

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change<font color="#CCCCCC"> it&#39;s been cold all</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> these you know</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">nonsense</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> screed</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah it&#39;s like it&#39;s an</font>

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essay<font color="#CCCCCC"> an argument perspective but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font>

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think an argument<font color="#E5E5E5"> is better because it&#39;s</font>

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tiny reasons it&#39;s got lots of<font color="#E5E5E5"> sauce</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">notes and so on did you have like that</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">Jared Maguire moment wrote</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it&#39;s like I&#39;m</font>

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gonna<font color="#E5E5E5"> write this thing or is it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just</font>

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something<font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> making notes for yourself</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">and you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> built in case you thought well</font>

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this<font color="#E5E5E5"> is important to share what was the</font>

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process<font color="#E5E5E5"> of generating the the arguments</font>

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hmm yeah so I<font color="#E5E5E5"> went to a diversity</font>

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program<font color="#E5E5E5"> at Google and it was all you</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">know it wasn&#39;t</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> recorded at all it was</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">totally secretive</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and you know I heard</font>

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things that I definitely disagreed with

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and some of<font color="#CCCCCC"> our</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> programs and I so I I</font>

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had some discussions with<font color="#CCCCCC"> people there</font>

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but it was there was<font color="#E5E5E5"> a lot</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just</font>

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shaming and<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know you can&#39;t say that</font>

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that&#39;s that&#39;s sexist<font color="#CCCCCC"> you can&#39;t do this</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like there&#39;s just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so much hypocrisy</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">and a lot of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the things that they&#39;re</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">saying but so I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I decided to create the</font>

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document just<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know to clarify my</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">thoughts and also I had to fly to China</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">for work so I had a 12-hour</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> flight to</font>

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fill my time list that was one

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motivation<font color="#E5E5E5"> right and then did</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> have a</font>

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sense beforehand<font color="#E5E5E5"> of I mean obviously</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">a be controversial and so on and</font>

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controversy to be is fine you<font color="#E5E5E5"> know</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">people can</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> people advance like arguments</font>

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I consider mental hospital I study that

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was a<font color="#E5E5E5"> public intellectual whatever and</font>

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sometimes<font color="#CCCCCC"> they pan out and</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">and sometimes they don&#39;t not sort of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> try</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">and be open to these kinds of</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">perspectives</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so I guess you are aware of</font>

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the controversy<font color="#CCCCCC"> how did it play out</font>

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relative to<font color="#CCCCCC"> your expectations yeah I</font>

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guess this is<font color="#E5E5E5"> going back to some of how</font>

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each side has blind spots<font color="#E5E5E5"> and this was</font>

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definitely<font color="#E5E5E5"> one</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of my blind spots as</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font>

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know<font color="#E5E5E5"> very logical</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> person</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I laid out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> my</font>

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arguments<font color="#E5E5E5"> I specified exactly</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> what&#39;s</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">causing this</font>

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I even outlined what the<font color="#E5E5E5"> like response</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">may</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> be you know all this PC</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> silencing</font>

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and but they did exactly that<font color="#CCCCCC"> so I</font>

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couldn&#39;t<font color="#E5E5E5"> really get ahead of it at all</font>

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and so I I did share the document

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<font color="#E5E5E5">multiple times like a month ago</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and many</font>

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people looked<font color="#E5E5E5"> at</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but no one ever had</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">this explosive reaction all the</font>

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responses were just rational discussion

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right so you shared it internally and

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then would<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know how it kind of got</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">out in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the tests aside from there like</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">it escaped and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> supernova from that yeah</font>

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so there were the people writing<font color="#CCCCCC"> on</font>

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Twitter<font color="#E5E5E5"> and they were all against it</font>

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they were just<font color="#CCCCCC"> calling me you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> know all</font>

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these misogynist racist terms and stuff

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<font color="#E5E5E5">and so I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> think it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was they got in</font>

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contact with<font color="#E5E5E5"> Gizmodo I think maybe</font>

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hypothetically<font color="#E5E5E5"> and then it was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> likely</font>

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from there that<font color="#E5E5E5"> it was</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> bleeds but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I&#39;m</font>

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pretty<font color="#CCCCCC"> sure</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it wasn&#39;t anyone connected</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">to me because they were</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to asked me</font>

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first<font color="#CCCCCC"> and they wouldn&#39;t</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> have removed all</font>

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the<font color="#E5E5E5"> citations and messed up the</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">formatting</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yes right no they really did</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">take</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it from what I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> thought was you know</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">fairly academic very professionally put</font>

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together<font color="#E5E5E5"> set of arguments with extensive</font>

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citations and<font color="#E5E5E5"> graphs and so on and and</font>

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you<font color="#E5E5E5"> know the thing is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> too like I</font>

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mentioned this in<font color="#CCCCCC"> my sort</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of video</font>

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response<font color="#E5E5E5"> to a James it&#39;s like you put</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">lot of qualifiers in there a lot of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">know okay these are</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> grill averages you</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">can&#39;t judge the individual I mean all</font>

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the<font color="#CCCCCC"> things that rational people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> have to</font>

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say because nobody seems to<font color="#E5E5E5"> get taught</font>

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about<font color="#E5E5E5"> statistics or anything like that</font>

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but<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know like women in general are</font>

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shorter than<font color="#CCCCCC"> men</font>

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you&#39;re saying<font color="#E5E5E5"> that no woman</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> can be</font>

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taller<font color="#CCCCCC"> than a man</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it&#39;s like no I&#39;m not</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">drinking clean</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I wish that government</font>

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schools were better

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it is and I&#39;m reminisce when I first

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heard about it<font color="#E5E5E5"> I thought okay I&#39;m good</font>

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read about this<font color="#E5E5E5"> and when I started</font>

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reading<font color="#E5E5E5"> about a gym course we&#39;ll never</font>

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know quest<font color="#E5E5E5"> and when there&#39;s no quotes</font>

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from the document<font color="#CCCCCC"> I know I know it&#39;s</font>

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reasonable usually it&#39;s<font color="#E5E5E5"> what we can&#39;t</font>

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quote from it we&#39;re going<font color="#E5E5E5"> to give you</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">our interpretation and then I found</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">really hard</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to find the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> original</font>

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document like what you&#39;d<font color="#E5E5E5"> actually</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">written and then I thought oh man okay</font>

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this is going<font color="#E5E5E5"> to be really reasonable</font>

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now<font color="#CCCCCC"> that&#39;s</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> going to be really</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> exercised</font>

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to see and<font color="#CCCCCC"> really factual</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and then I</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">finally found one and they said well</font>

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we&#39;ve made<font color="#CCCCCC"> some edits</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> charts and I&#39;m</font>

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like what why<font color="#CCCCCC"> are you hiding it if this</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">guy&#39;s crazy just let the crazy speak for</font>

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itself and then I finally<font color="#CCCCCC"> like it took</font>

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forever<font color="#CCCCCC"> finally found</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> blogs like I hear</font>

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the sources<font color="#E5E5E5"> hear the chants and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I&#39;m like</font>

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damn this guy<font color="#E5E5E5"> is really reasonable this</font>

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is important stuff for us<font color="#CCCCCC"> to be talking</font>

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about this is science is a stackable<font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">according to Breitbart there are four I</font>

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think psychologists or sociologists or

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some combination<font color="#E5E5E5"> who said yeah the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> guy</font>

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science is<font color="#CCCCCC"> bang</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> on this is well accepted</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">within the psychological community</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">is well accepted</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> within the biological</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">community this is well accepted</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> products</font>

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of evolutionary<font color="#CCCCCC"> psychology and</font>

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evolutionary<font color="#CCCCCC"> biology this guy&#39;s science</font>

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is<font color="#E5E5E5"> bang on I haven&#39;t seen any actual</font>

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scientists or any of the<font color="#CCCCCC"> people you&#39;ve</font>

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cited say no no no he got this he&#39;s

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misusing my<font color="#E5E5E5"> work</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> he&#39;s he&#39;s got it</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">totally wrong to all the professionals</font>

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all the people who actually studied<font color="#CCCCCC"> this</font>

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stuff<font color="#E5E5E5"> they&#39;re like yeah this is he&#39;s</font>

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right you<font color="#E5E5E5"> know I don&#39;t agree with</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">everything</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> he&#39;s</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> written but as far</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> as a</font>

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science goes<font color="#CCCCCC"> maybe he&#39;s staying on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font>

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this to me it&#39;s a really surprising

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thing because<font color="#CCCCCC"> people are</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> characterizing</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">what happened to you as you&#39;ve been</font>

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fired for<font color="#E5E5E5"> having an unpopular opinion</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">you&#39;ve been chastised for having an</font>

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unpopular<font color="#CCCCCC"> opinion for being anted but</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">this is not an opinion</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that you have</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">right and I wonder if you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> help people</font>

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understand<font color="#E5E5E5"> that disparity</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> because it&#39;s</font>

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one thing to<font color="#E5E5E5"> be fired for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> being</font>

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unpopular

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<font color="#E5E5E5">it&#39;s another thing for being fired for</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">being</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> right and having the science on</font>

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your side<font color="#CCCCCC"> that to me is truly</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">astonishing yeah</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I don&#39;t</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> really</font>

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understand<font color="#E5E5E5"> it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> myself yet I mean a lot of</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">it is just people got</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> offended because</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">it goes against the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> left ideology and</font>

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then they just<font color="#E5E5E5"> okay it defended</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people</font>

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therefore<font color="#E5E5E5"> it&#39;s wrong and therefore it&#39;s</font>

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an<font color="#CCCCCC"> opinion</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> because</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it can&#39;t possibly</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">true</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if it offends me</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I have my</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> own</font>

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subjective<font color="#CCCCCC"> truth or</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> something I don&#39;t</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">know okay it is terrible how also people</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">want from what I can see the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people who</font>

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were the<font color="#E5E5E5"> most offended</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> were the people</font>

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who<font color="#CCCCCC"> would not read what was</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> written but</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">the people who had read these</font>

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exaggerated<font color="#E5E5E5"> doomsday apocalyptic</font>

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nonsense interpretations of<font color="#E5E5E5"> what you did</font>

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you<font color="#E5E5E5"> know you didn&#39;t say women are</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">biologically unsuited to be in</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> tamii</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">none of the things that were actually in</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">the document and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that to me is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> know</font>

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if<font color="#CCCCCC"> this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I have the special circle of</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">health and going on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> in my</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> brain because</font>

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you know who belongs<font color="#E5E5E5"> in what special</font>

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circle<font color="#CCCCCC"> of health people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> who exaggerate</font>

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factual or or<font color="#E5E5E5"> mischaracterized factual</font>

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empirical arguments to attempt<font color="#E5E5E5"> to goad</font>

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the<font color="#CCCCCC"> Maud mob</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> into the most virulent and</font>

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vicious type of reaction there is a

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special circle of intellectual<font color="#CCCCCC"> hell for</font>

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those people<font color="#E5E5E5"> because they&#39;re stifling</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">and absolutely necessary</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> debate about</font>

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these<font color="#E5E5E5"> issues in society</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah I think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a</font>

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lot<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it is that they feel</font>

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self-righteous and<font color="#E5E5E5"> so they feel</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that the</font>

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ends justify<font color="#CCCCCC"> the means</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but it&#39;s really</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">bad I think and what&#39;s it been like for</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">you again most people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> will probably</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">never go through this I have</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">hurricane storm at trial by fire</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hey</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">good pressure</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> turns coal into diamonds</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> what what&#39;s it been</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you I</font>

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mean<font color="#E5E5E5"> the is it hard to sleep is it hard</font>

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to<font color="#E5E5E5"> concentrate is it like welcome to a</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">sign</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of the world you probably didn&#39;t</font>

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know about really very<font color="#E5E5E5"> much until</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> now</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">and now it&#39;s all too vivid</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it&#39;s</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">definitely been hard to sleep</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> especially</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">early on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was responding</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to comments</font>

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from<font color="#CCCCCC"> people in Australia and Europe so I</font>

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was<font color="#E5E5E5"> staying up</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> until like 5:00 a.m. but</font>

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it still hasn&#39;t truly hit me the

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enormity<font color="#E5E5E5"> of it all</font>

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well it&#39;s<font color="#E5E5E5"> interesting as well</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> because</font>

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the stuff that I read at the<font color="#CCCCCC"> beginning</font>

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was and I thought this was<font color="#E5E5E5"> also a very</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">strong reaction this man&#39;s life is too</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">destroyed and and I don&#39;t I don&#39;t think</font>

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that&#39;s true<font color="#CCCCCC"> I don&#39;t think that&#39;s true</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> at</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">all and and in fact I know that we&#39;ll</font>

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talk<font color="#E5E5E5"> about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the job office in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in a second</font>

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but<font color="#CCCCCC"> you know you&#39;ve just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> set up a giant</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">flare saying I have a lot of courage</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I&#39;m</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">willing to stick by the fact I&#39;m willing</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">to take</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a hit for science I&#39;m willing to</font>

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take<font color="#E5E5E5"> a hit for reason and evidence</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I&#39;m</font>

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willing to take<font color="#E5E5E5"> a hit now whether the</font>

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hit was<font color="#E5E5E5"> entirely anticipated the extent</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">of the hit was entirely anticipated</font>

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nonetheless you<font color="#E5E5E5"> did release something</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">that you knew could be explosive</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font>

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controversial and you&#39;re not backing

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<font color="#CCCCCC">down and you&#39;re not groveling</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and you&#39;re</font>

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not like<font color="#CCCCCC"> esa&#39;s sorry you know it&#39;s the</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">galileo thing you know but it moves but</font>

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it moves what do you want me to say the

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earth is<font color="#E5E5E5"> at the center</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of the universe</font>

00:46:13 --> 00:46:16
<font color="#CCCCCC">but it moves you can&#39;t argue me out</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font>

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the facts I mean I could pretend but

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what&#39;s the point of that<font color="#E5E5E5"> right and so</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">you set up this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> giant</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> slayer which is</font>

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like<font color="#E5E5E5"> I value truth over comfort</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I value</font>

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reality of a conformity I value science

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<font color="#CCCCCC">over you know I can&#39;t</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> believe they call</font>

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yourself pseudoscience it&#39;s like<font color="#CCCCCC"> no no</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">diversity</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> suder&#39;s</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it should be</font>

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actually<font color="#CCCCCC"> like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> diversity is a strength</font>

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diversity to<font color="#E5E5E5"> the benefit please show me</font>

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the studies where<font color="#E5E5E5"> this is absolutely</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">proven to be</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> case right diversity is</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">not a benefit in neighborhoods I can&#39;t</font>

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find<font color="#CCCCCC"> evidence that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it&#39;s a benefit</font>

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economically and so on<font color="#CCCCCC"> but nonetheless</font>

00:47:08 --> 00:47:14
<font color="#E5E5E5">you set up a giant flare and people will</font>

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see that and tell me<font color="#CCCCCC"> what the response</font>

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has been<font color="#E5E5E5"> that has</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> been a positive</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">has been encouraging yes</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so it&#39;s</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">surprising there may be a lot of</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">negative responses in the public but</font>

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very few<font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> them</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> actually send me</font>

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messages<font color="#CCCCCC"> because</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> they</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just want to you</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">know first you signal</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to all their</font>

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followers that hey I&#39;m a<font color="#E5E5E5"> great person</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font>

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share<font color="#E5E5E5"> your morals and this person is bad</font>

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but they would never they don&#39;t<font color="#E5E5E5"> really</font>

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don&#39;t<font color="#E5E5E5"> want to actually</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have a debate on</font>

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why I&#39;m wrong or even confront me they

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just<font color="#E5E5E5"> want</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> show how self-righteous</font>

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they are and so in contrast<font color="#E5E5E5"> I&#39;ve gotten</font>

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a ton<font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font>

00:48:37 --> 00:48:42
personal messages of support has<font color="#CCCCCC"> been</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">really nice</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and I got that before what</font>

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at Google before<font color="#E5E5E5"> all of this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> sleep where</font>

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you know I mean a lot of the upper

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management<font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> was sharing me right</font>

00:49:00 --> 00:49:03
<font color="#E5E5E5">right well I mean I I do think that it</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">is a real</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> shame now because of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> course a</font>

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lot<font color="#CCCCCC"> of people are going</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> look at your</font>

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example<font color="#E5E5E5"> and say well I can&#39;t talk about</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">that well I can talk</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> about</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> their and so</font>

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on and<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know I have no criticisms</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">about anything that you did with one</font>

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exception James is that<font color="#CCCCCC"> I would say that</font>

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what you<font color="#CCCCCC"> should have done is activated</font>

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your<font color="#E5E5E5"> super secret white male patriarchy</font>

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shield

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you should have activated<font color="#E5E5E5"> your</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> privilege</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">shield so that</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you would sail through</font>

00:49:43 --> 00:49:47
<font color="#E5E5E5">this immune from all</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> negative</font>

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repercussions<font color="#E5E5E5"> because</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> this</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> kind of stuff</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">you know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> when when it happens is like</font>

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white<font color="#E5E5E5"> privilege you know the guys</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like</font>

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basically<font color="#E5E5E5"> drag to add in the three</font>

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beaten senseless in the court of<font color="#CCCCCC"> public</font>

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opinion and<font color="#E5E5E5"> then fired within what 48</font>

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hours or something<font color="#CCCCCC"> like that if this</font>

00:50:09 --> 00:50:13
<font color="#E5E5E5">becoming topic knowledge I don&#39;t</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> see a</font>

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lot of white male privilege<font color="#E5E5E5"> rising up</font>

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around him<font color="#CCCCCC"> like these magical shields to</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">protect him in fact the white</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> privilege</font>

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seems to me<font color="#E5E5E5"> a white male privilege seems</font>

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to me to<font color="#CCCCCC"> be an excuse for people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to say</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">well I could bully</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this person because</font>

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they&#39;re so privileged<font color="#E5E5E5"> to anything I say</font>

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is it&#39;s<font color="#CCCCCC"> always punching up so it seems</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">that a white privilege is kind</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of the</font>

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opposite of privilege if that makes

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anything<font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah there is a surprising</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">amount of attacks that were just at my</font>

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race and<font color="#CCCCCC"> gender which is exactly what</font>

00:51:01 --> 00:51:06
we&#39;re<font color="#CCCCCC"> trying</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to avoid with these things</font>

00:51:06 --> 00:51:13
right we want to avoid classifying

00:51:13 --> 00:51:19
people<font color="#E5E5E5"> just by their group identity and</font>

00:51:19 --> 00:51:24
that<font color="#E5E5E5"> is racism that is sexism now I</font>

00:51:24 --> 00:51:27
<font color="#E5E5E5">wonder if you could</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just step people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I&#39;m</font>

00:51:27 --> 00:51:30
we&#39;re going to<font color="#E5E5E5"> link to the full document</font>

00:51:30 --> 00:51:32
I want<font color="#CCCCCC"> people to read it</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you need to</font>

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read this<font color="#CCCCCC"> document is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a great document</font>

00:51:35 --> 00:51:40
<font color="#CCCCCC">it&#39;s well put</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> together it&#39;s well sourced</font>

00:51:40 --> 00:51:45
but<font color="#E5E5E5"> I know not everyone&#39;s going</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to do it</font>

00:51:45 --> 00:51:48
I mean I wish they would I<font color="#E5E5E5"> do I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> know</font>

00:51:48 --> 00:51:50
<font color="#CCCCCC">that everyone&#39;s going to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> do it I wonder</font>

00:51:50 --> 00:51:52
if you could<font color="#CCCCCC"> just</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> step people through</font>

00:51:52 --> 00:51:54
<font color="#E5E5E5">some of the major</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> points that you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> want</font>

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to get across for people who aren&#39;t

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going<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> end</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> up reading</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it because again</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> thought it&#39;s</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> very thoughtful very</font>

00:52:05 --> 00:52:09
<font color="#CCCCCC">reasonable perhaps too reasonable</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so</font>

00:52:09 --> 00:52:13
it&#39;s<font color="#E5E5E5"> very conciliatory and and it comes</font>

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I think from<font color="#CCCCCC"> a genuine</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> passion</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font>

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excellence for<font color="#E5E5E5"> all parties concerned mmm</font>

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it has<font color="#CCCCCC"> a</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I just</font>

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one caveat<font color="#E5E5E5"> what I would say that anyone</font>

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is that I&#39;m not<font color="#E5E5E5"> talking about any</font>

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individual person<font color="#CCCCCC"> I am</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> NOT talking about</font>

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reducing anyone to their group<font color="#CCCCCC"> a day</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> I&#39;m</font>

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just saying that if we look at

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<font color="#CCCCCC">population level of distributions</font>

00:52:54 --> 00:52:59
<font color="#E5E5E5">different groups have</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> different</font>

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distributions<font color="#E5E5E5"> of traits right just as we</font>

00:53:05 --> 00:53:10
can say that men are have a higher

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<font color="#CCCCCC">distribution of height than women for</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">example and so this isn&#39;t</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> important in</font>

00:53:24 --> 00:53:29
judging any individual person<font color="#CCCCCC"> on how</font>

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good they are at a job in fact<font color="#CCCCCC"> I&#39;m</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> not</font>

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saying<font color="#CCCCCC"> that any of the female engineers</font>

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at Google<font color="#E5E5E5"> are in any way worse</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> than the</font>

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average male engineer I&#39;m in fact I&#39;m

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just<font color="#CCCCCC"> saying that this may explain some</font>

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of the disparity in representation in

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the population<font color="#CCCCCC"> all right so there may</font>

00:54:05 --> 00:54:13
not be<font color="#E5E5E5"> so many over here but those that</font>

00:54:13 --> 00:54:21
are<font color="#CCCCCC"> over here are just as good so and or</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">not</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> even good likability lies just</font>

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preference wise with<font color="#CCCCCC"> vlogging the</font>

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personally difference between men and

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women is just<font color="#CCCCCC"> differing interest in</font>

00:54:43 --> 00:54:49
<font color="#E5E5E5">people versus things and this has links</font>

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to<font color="#E5E5E5"> prenatal testosterone and that</font>

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explains a lot<font color="#CCCCCC"> of the differences</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in a</font>

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career choice<font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> example teacher versus</font>

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something like coding<font color="#E5E5E5"> where one is more</font>

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people<font color="#E5E5E5"> oriented and one is more things</font>

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oriented and<font color="#CCCCCC"> so that&#39;s</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the biggest one</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">that I would say</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but then there</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> are some</font>

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other personality traits<font color="#CCCCCC"> that at</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> least</font>

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have some<font color="#CCCCCC"> effect or at least</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> may we</font>

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should be cognizant of<font color="#E5E5E5"> and maybe if we</font>

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want to<font color="#E5E5E5"> make tech a more female friendly</font>

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environment we should recognize that

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some women are different<font color="#E5E5E5"> than men in</font>

00:56:10 --> 00:56:17
<font color="#E5E5E5">these ways and so</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> if we want to make it</font>

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more accessible to<font color="#E5E5E5"> women then maybe for</font>

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example cooperativeness<font color="#CCCCCC"> which is higher</font>

00:56:27 --> 00:56:31
in women<font color="#E5E5E5"> than men we should make the</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">workplace a place where you can</font>

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we thrive if<font color="#E5E5E5"> your cooperative so a lot</font>

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of<font color="#E5E5E5"> coding now is just very individual</font>

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I&#39;m writing my code and<font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> can be a</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">superstar</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> can just write my code for a</font>

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week and then make this huge system<font color="#E5E5E5"> all</font>

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by<font color="#CCCCCC"> myself</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yeah there&#39;s ways of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> pair</font>

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programming<font color="#CCCCCC"> for example</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> or</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just other</font>

00:57:09 --> 00:57:16
collaborative<font color="#E5E5E5"> things that we can really</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">help improve the workplace</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you know</font>

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it would<font color="#E5E5E5"> just help</font>

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good for productivity<font color="#E5E5E5"> maybe and also in</font>

00:57:30 --> 00:57:34
our interview process<font color="#CCCCCC"> for example it&#39;s</font>

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all individual right now and<font color="#E5E5E5"> only how</font>

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well you work by yourself<font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and we</font>

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never really<font color="#CCCCCC"> measure how good someone is</font>

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on a team which<font color="#E5E5E5"> is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> really important to</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">how</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> good</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you perform at your job and so</font>

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that may also be disproportionately

00:58:07 --> 00:58:13
hurting<font color="#E5E5E5"> current populations and you had</font>

00:58:13 --> 00:58:17
a<font color="#CCCCCC"> great argument about</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> status as we</font>

00:58:17 --> 00:58:20
wonder if you could could refresh

00:58:20 --> 00:58:22
people&#39;s minds if they<font color="#E5E5E5"> haven&#39;t</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> read to</font>

00:58:22 --> 00:58:24
<font color="#CCCCCC">go if they have read</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and don&#39;t</font>

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remember I&#39;m not going to read<font color="#CCCCCC"> it that&#39;s</font>

00:58:27 --> 00:58:34
<font color="#E5E5E5">a great argument</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you had</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> there yes so</font>

00:58:34 --> 00:58:42
the driver status<font color="#E5E5E5"> is a one</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> auto</font>

00:58:42 --> 00:58:49
difference between men and women<font color="#CCCCCC"> we&#39;re</font>

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generally men try to compete<font color="#E5E5E5"> in</font>

00:58:56 --> 00:59:03
high-risk activities for the possibility

00:59:03 --> 00:59:10
<font color="#CCCCCC">of having high status</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> where status is</font>

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often just a lot<font color="#E5E5E5"> of money and that also</font>

00:59:19 --> 00:59:29
pushes a lot<font color="#E5E5E5"> of men into a dangerous and</font>

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otherwise unseemly jobs that like coal

00:59:37 --> 00:59:43
mining that are extremely<font color="#E5E5E5"> dangerous but</font>

00:59:43 --> 00:59:51
pay more than the equivalent<font color="#E5E5E5"> job for</font>

00:59:51 --> 00:59:59
your skills<font color="#E5E5E5"> and so that may be what&#39;s</font>

00:59:59 --> 01:00:05
pushing some men into CEOs and other

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upper management<font color="#E5E5E5"> where you know I</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">personally wouldn&#39;t want to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be a CEO</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">have to work</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so long</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> right</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and for what</font>

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like<font color="#E5E5E5"> but by a by kids I&#39;ll see you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">you&#39;re eight</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah yeah I actually want</font>

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to<font color="#E5E5E5"> have kids and you know have a family</font>

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life I<font color="#E5E5E5"> don&#39;t want like having</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> millions</font>

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of dollars but no time<font color="#E5E5E5"> to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> yourself and</font>

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that&#39;s<font color="#E5E5E5"> not a good fulfilling life at</font>

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least<font color="#E5E5E5"> for me and so that may be why</font>

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there are more men in<font color="#CCCCCC"> leadership</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> for</font>

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example or politics<font color="#CCCCCC"> even well and of</font>

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course<font color="#E5E5E5"> wait way back in the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> dayy vastly</font>

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more women reproduce the men and so the

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advantages for<font color="#CCCCCC"> a man of taking risks</font>

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like<font color="#CCCCCC"> if you didn&#39;t take risks your</font>

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chances<font color="#CCCCCC"> and reproduction were very low</font>

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if you took risks<font color="#E5E5E5"> then you had the</font>

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chance to reproduce<font color="#CCCCCC"> and it was I can&#39;t</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">remove the number</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> super mental it&#39;s like</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">a dozen to one women or men reproducing</font>

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or even more<font color="#E5E5E5"> 16 to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> one and and so you</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">had</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to take the risk it&#39;s sort of like</font>

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if the<font color="#CCCCCC"> plane is going down</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you&#39;re going</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> have</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to jump</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> don&#39;t want to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> jump</font>

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but you know for sure if you&#39;re<font color="#E5E5E5"> gonna</font>

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have at the plane you<font color="#E5E5E5"> go to that and so</font>

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taking risks for<font color="#CCCCCC"> men was often the only</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">way to get access to reproduction and so</font>

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the<font color="#E5E5E5"> positive selection they&#39;re</font>

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genetically will be that the men who

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take<font color="#CCCCCC"> risks are</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> going to end up</font>

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reproducing so you can end up<font color="#CCCCCC"> with that</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">as you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> know whereas women</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> didn&#39;t</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have to</font>

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take<font color="#CCCCCC"> the same number of risks because</font>

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the<font color="#E5E5E5"> ratio was so different yeah so I</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">think it&#39;s actually</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> two for one so</font>

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we have twice as many female ancestors

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as we do<font color="#E5E5E5"> male ancestors but maybe in</font>

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certain<font color="#CCCCCC"> environments it&#39;s much more</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">skewed like the Genghis Khan in China</font>

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that was I&#39;m<font color="#E5E5E5"> sure he has thousands of</font>

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lives or whatever so we have<font color="#E5E5E5"> we&#39;re not</font>

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going to<font color="#E5E5E5"> talk about legal options</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">because you know if</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> we</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> start talking</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">about legal options all the lawyers</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> get</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">it what did</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> you say what did you say</font>

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I just<font color="#CCCCCC"> wanted to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if I know you do have</font>

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some legal options regarding this and

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but we&#39;re not going<font color="#CCCCCC"> to talk</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> about them</font>

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in<font color="#E5E5E5"> any detail</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but you know I think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font>

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what you did<font color="#E5E5E5"> was very brave I think it</font>

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was necessary I&#39;m sorry for the price

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that<font color="#CCCCCC"> you have to pay it is it is tragic</font>

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sometimes when we look<font color="#E5E5E5"> at the fact that</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">there are biological differences is like</font>

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it&#39;s<font color="#E5E5E5"> like the new</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Kopernik ISM it is</font>

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just one<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> these</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> things</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that used to be</font>

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kind<font color="#CCCCCC"> of understood</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> non scientifically</font>

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the science is racing in a sense to

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catch up but there&#39;s a lot<font color="#E5E5E5"> of barriers</font>

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in the<font color="#CCCCCC"> way people</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> don&#39;t want this stuff</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be studied at all and I&#39;m sorry that</font>

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you have<font color="#E5E5E5"> to take this kind</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of price pay</font>

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this<font color="#E5E5E5"> kind of price for it</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> it&#39;s tough in</font>

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the moment<font color="#E5E5E5"> but</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you know yet really have</font>

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something<font color="#CCCCCC"> to be proud of in the long run</font>

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I think<font color="#E5E5E5"> I know you&#39;ve got some great job</font>

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offers from<font color="#E5E5E5"> some great</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people which i</font>

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think is very<font color="#CCCCCC"> encouraging but I also</font>

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want<font color="#CCCCCC"> to make sure</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that people understand</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">that if you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> want</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to help James app which</font>

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i think is a reasonably<font color="#E5E5E5"> decent thing</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font>

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do you can<font color="#CCCCCC"> go to researcher now this is</font>

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w e<font color="#CCCCCC"> SE a RC HR researcher comm forward</font>

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slash bounties<font color="#E5E5E5"> that sounds bad</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it&#39;s</font>

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nice<font color="#E5E5E5"> bounties forward slash</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> James</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> -</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">d&#39;amour -</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> a fish</font>

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- fundraiser<font color="#CCCCCC"> d&#39;amour is da mo re</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> so I&#39;m</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">not</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> going to spell that whole thing out</font>

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we&#39;ll put it<font color="#E5E5E5"> in the links to the show</font>

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but you can help out in this kind of

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challenging environment it is<font color="#E5E5E5"> a real you</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">know</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this is this is a real trajectory</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">change for your life right</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I mean you</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">you know you&#39;ve got</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> your education</font>

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you&#39;ve got your reputation<font color="#E5E5E5"> you&#39;ve got</font>

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your<font color="#E5E5E5"> job with</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Google and so on and then</font>

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it&#39;s<font color="#CCCCCC"> like</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> well things are going to go in</font>

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a slightly different<font color="#E5E5E5"> direction now in</font>

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fact it may even<font color="#E5E5E5"> factly 180 for you</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">which is</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> tasks us create opportunities</font>

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and I&#39;m positive<font color="#CCCCCC"> you can</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> land in a place</font>

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where you can be more<font color="#E5E5E5"> self expressed</font>

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because<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know that soft censorship of</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">it&#39;s going to be a disaster if</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I tell</font>

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the<font color="#E5E5E5"> truth</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> about things</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that are</font>

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important to<font color="#E5E5E5"> me and things</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that are</font>

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affecting my career things that are

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affecting my entire company<font color="#CCCCCC"> they&#39;re</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">people think that this came out of a</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">distaste for women of course it didn&#39;t</font>

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it came<font color="#E5E5E5"> out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of a desire that fact help</font>

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everyone<font color="#E5E5E5"> the truth helps everyone I</font>

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guess<font color="#CCCCCC"> a lot</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> people who are addicted</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">to lies and manipulation so on but it is</font>

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out if I understand this correctly<font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font>

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you know<font color="#CCCCCC"> correctly where I go astray</font>

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James but it is out of<font color="#E5E5E5"> your love</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">google it is out of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> pure love</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font>

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excellence that<font color="#E5E5E5"> you want to bring facts</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">to bear so people can make great</font>

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decisions about how<font color="#E5E5E5"> to facilitate a</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">variety of people&#39;s different experience</font>

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and opportunities at the company yeah

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<font color="#E5E5E5">definitely I I know why this came from</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">me seeing some of the problems in our</font>

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culture at Google<font color="#E5E5E5"> where a lot</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> people</font>

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that<font color="#E5E5E5"> weren&#39;t in this group think just</font>

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felt<font color="#CCCCCC"> totally isolated and alienated</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font>

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so I and there were<font color="#E5E5E5"> many people</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">came</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to me and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> just</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> said</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> yeah I&#39;m</font>

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thinking<font color="#E5E5E5"> of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> weaving Google because</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it&#39;s</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">getting</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so bad and so I really thought</font>

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it was<font color="#E5E5E5"> a problem</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> that Google</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> itself had</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">to fix</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and hopefully they do hopefully</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">is a I don&#39;t think this is a step</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> in the</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">right direction</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> hopefully hopefully they</font>

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do<font color="#E5E5E5"> and and hopefully what happened is</font>

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you<font color="#CCCCCC"> know the crater if your</font>

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opportunities at Google is a light and

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and the data<font color="#E5E5E5"> that you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have presented</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font>

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the arguments you<font color="#CCCCCC"> have presented</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> are now</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">visible in a way that they wouldn&#39;t</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> have</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">been otherwise and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> again this is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> not to</font>

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say<font color="#CCCCCC"> that what happened to you is right</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">we try to get the best we can out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font>

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these difficult<font color="#CCCCCC"> situations and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> the fact</font>

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that the impact of this

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<font color="#CCCCCC">these decisions on your future in your</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">career has blown this information up</font>

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into the<font color="#E5E5E5"> stratosphere and and it is now</font>

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raining<font color="#E5E5E5"> down on everyone and now it&#39;s</font>

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becoming somewhat inexcusable for<font color="#E5E5E5"> people</font>

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to not have<font color="#CCCCCC"> any idea about these ideas</font>

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about<font color="#E5E5E5"> these arguments about these basic</font>

01:09:57 --> 01:10:01
<font color="#E5E5E5">scientific facts and it&#39;s a very tough</font>

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thing<font color="#CCCCCC"> to go through</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but I guess it is</font>

01:10:04 --> 01:10:08
<font color="#E5E5E5">just one of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> these necessary things</font>

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because it really it frustrates me no

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end<font color="#CCCCCC"> because this</font>

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hard left<font color="#E5E5E5"> ISM this pure environmentalism</font>

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this idea that<font color="#E5E5E5"> we&#39;re all</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just the same</font>

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and the<font color="#E5E5E5"> only thing that the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> only reason</font>

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for<font color="#E5E5E5"> any group differences of</font>

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exploitation it&#39;s such a frustrating

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thesis and it&#39;s the same<font color="#E5E5E5"> thing that</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">happened not so much the social</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> justice</font>

01:10:43 --> 01:10:46
<font color="#E5E5E5">warriors but America used</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be a center</font>

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of<font color="#E5E5E5"> manufacturing excellence</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like</font>

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incredible engineering incredible

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manufacturing and then you know the

01:10:57 --> 01:11:02
government moved in the union&#39;s moved in

01:11:02 --> 01:11:07
and it just<font color="#CCCCCC"> got progressively more</font>

01:11:07 --> 01:11:10
difficult<font color="#CCCCCC"> to be creative and</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> enjoy</font>

01:11:10 --> 01:11:15
yourself and be passionate<font color="#CCCCCC"> and powerful</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">in</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> your occupation and and then</font>

01:11:21 --> 01:11:26
manufacturing began to drift overseas

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and<font color="#CCCCCC"> you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> know move to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> Japan with China</font>

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other<font color="#E5E5E5"> places and now American</font>

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manufacturing has<font color="#E5E5E5"> hauled it out was it</font>

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like<font color="#CCCCCC"> 50,000</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> jobs a year</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> sorry a month</font>

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were being lost in manufacturing<font color="#E5E5E5"> my</font>

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concern<font color="#E5E5E5"> is that the same</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> thing that</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">hi-tech is</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> going to happen there</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> are</font>

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other cultures<font color="#E5E5E5"> other countries where</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">differences that may</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> be biological</font>

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origin<font color="#E5E5E5"> that&#39;s a topic you can talk about</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">it&#39;s openly discussed I certainly know</font>

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this in places<font color="#CCCCCC"> like Japan it&#39;s openly</font>

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discussed openly talked about the real

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issue that<font color="#E5E5E5"> needs to be grappled with and</font>

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they bring their<font color="#E5E5E5"> best minds to bear on</font>

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the evidence<font color="#E5E5E5"> of the arguments so my</font>

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concern is<font color="#E5E5E5"> the same way that</font>

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manufacturing went is<font color="#E5E5E5"> the same way that</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">high tech might go because there&#39;s only</font>

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so<font color="#CCCCCC"> much of this kind of claustrophobic</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">political correctness that people can</font>

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take before they don&#39;t want to play yeah

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and I didn&#39;t definitely we don&#39;t want to

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go too far into the other end where we

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<font color="#E5E5E5">just say all differences are due to this</font>

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because<font color="#E5E5E5"> we need some sort of balance but</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">we need to be able to say to</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> evidence</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> both sides</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and when we&#39;re just</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">totally</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> blind</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> to new</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> evidence for</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">anything</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that contradicts our ideology</font>

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then<font color="#CCCCCC"> we&#39;ll only</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> drift further and</font>

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further<font color="#E5E5E5"> to the left and into a</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> more</font>

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authoritarian<font color="#CCCCCC"> types of policies right no</font>

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and I think<font color="#E5E5E5"> that&#39;s</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> true</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> right</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> and I&#39;m</font>

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glad<font color="#E5E5E5"> you pointed that out see this is</font>

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the<font color="#E5E5E5"> kind of subtlety that got you in</font>

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trouble<font color="#E5E5E5"> I</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> know I&#39;m glad I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> did this</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> now</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">because you know when it comes to the</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">earth or the Sun being at the center of</font>

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the solar system that&#39;s kind of binary

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<font color="#E5E5E5">it&#39;s not like half and half right</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">I guess</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> people can say well the Sun</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> also</font>

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orbits the earth a<font color="#CCCCCC"> little bit anyway</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but</font>

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now<font color="#CCCCCC"> with</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> this one of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> course yeah I mean</font>

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there&#39;s this environment in<font color="#E5E5E5"> this biology</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">and we don&#39;t want to put</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> 100% on</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> either</font>

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because<font color="#E5E5E5"> that&#39;s not supported by the data</font>

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it&#39;s not<font color="#E5E5E5"> the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> water by the fact it&#39;s not</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">supported</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> by common sense but</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> accepting</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">one at the full expense of the other is</font>

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unjust and unfair<font color="#E5E5E5"> and I think leads to a</font>

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lot<font color="#CCCCCC"> of bad decisions which i think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> is</font>

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what is happening<font color="#E5E5E5"> now</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> so</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> James I want to</font>

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give<font color="#E5E5E5"> you the final</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> word here</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> because you</font>

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know there are<font color="#E5E5E5"> people who are going to</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">be listening to this who dislike both of</font>

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us<font color="#E5E5E5"> you know and you know for you there&#39;s</font>

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no good reason<font color="#CCCCCC"> for</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> me maybe that&#39;s a</font>

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good<font color="#CCCCCC"> reason</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> but for</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> you there&#39;s no god</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">what is it that you want to say to</font>

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people<font color="#CCCCCC"> who may have got their first</font>

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impression of you from not so fair

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sources what is it that<font color="#E5E5E5"> you want them to</font>

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understand<font color="#E5E5E5"> about what you did and why</font>

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and the message you<font color="#CCCCCC"> want to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> get across</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">well I guess one way of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> trying to</font>

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understand what<font color="#E5E5E5"> it&#39;s</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> like to be in such</font>

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a<font color="#E5E5E5"> pressive echo chamber is so say that</font>

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you are currently in this progressive

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echo chamber<font color="#CCCCCC"> and you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> don&#39;t really see</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">what problem</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it is just imagine if you</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">were on the other side and a very</font>

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conservative<font color="#E5E5E5"> echo chamber and you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> felt</font>

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like<font color="#E5E5E5"> you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> didn&#39;t</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> have any rights to be</font>

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different than<font color="#E5E5E5"> other people and you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> just</font>

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had to<font color="#E5E5E5"> stay with tradition and you</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">couldn&#39;t do anything you would also feel</font>

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stifled right<font color="#E5E5E5"> and so I just think that</font>

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once we<font color="#E5E5E5"> open up to not being in our own</font>

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echo chamber and<font color="#E5E5E5"> actually seeing the</font>

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other side<font color="#E5E5E5"> for what it is and trying to</font>

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understand<font color="#E5E5E5"> each other only</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> the back only</font>

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if we do that can we<font color="#E5E5E5"> really progress and</font>

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I<font color="#E5E5E5"> think this is really hurting our</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">politics right</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> now</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> whereas it&#39;s getting</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">increasingly partisan yeah that&#39;s a good</font>

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point and you know for all of<font color="#E5E5E5"> those who</font>

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want<font color="#CCCCCC"> to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> bring out</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> their into that</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">daggers and stab at the simulator</font>

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movement of the human beings heart you

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<font color="#E5E5E5">are setting up an environment of</font>

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backlash and backlash<font color="#E5E5E5"> and backlash and</font>

01:17:52 --> 01:17:57
<font color="#E5E5E5">escalation you know those who live by</font>

01:17:57 --> 01:18:02
the sword<font color="#E5E5E5"> may die by the sword and those</font>

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who pull out the mob and<font color="#E5E5E5"> throw it at</font>

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people<font color="#E5E5E5"> and so on</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> at some point it&#39;s</font>

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going<font color="#CCCCCC"> to happen back to you</font>

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and it is an ugly<font color="#CCCCCC"> thing to experience</font>

01:18:20 --> 01:18:24
<font color="#CCCCCC">it&#39;s an ugly thing to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> participate in and</font>

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I really strongly encourage people to

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de-escalate<font color="#CCCCCC"> these kinds of attacks</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> that</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">de-escalate this kind of rhetoric James</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">put together a very well source</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> well</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">reasoned well argued document</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it should</font>

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be<font color="#E5E5E5"> addressed on the merits of</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> its</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">arguments it should be</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> addressed on the</font>

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solidity<font color="#E5E5E5"> of evidence it should not be</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">hysterically escalated into a parody and</font>

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then attacked<font color="#E5E5E5"> as if it&#39;s some straw man</font>

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trying to<font color="#E5E5E5"> set fire to the planet I mean</font>

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this is ridiculous<font color="#CCCCCC"> this is not how a</font>

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rational<font color="#E5E5E5"> society behaves and I really</font>

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want to urge<font color="#E5E5E5"> people and I would be</font>

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saying this no matter<font color="#E5E5E5"> what your</font>

01:19:27 --> 01:19:30
arguments were whether you<font color="#E5E5E5"> came from the</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">left or the</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> right</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> and</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> I know you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> don&#39;t</font>

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identify<font color="#E5E5E5"> strongly with either side which</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">I</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> think it&#39;s a libertarian alternative</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">but I really do want</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> to say to people</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">that</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> if we allow this kind of escalation</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">this hysteria this character</font>

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assassination let&#39;s find them<font color="#CCCCCC"> that&#39;s</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">dachshund let&#39;s get them fired let&#39;s</font>

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attack attack attack it ends<font color="#CCCCCC"> i mean i&#39;m</font>

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enough i<font color="#E5E5E5"> studied history enough to know</font>

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where this ends<font color="#CCCCCC"> it&#39;s not a good place</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> at</font>

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all so again<font color="#CCCCCC"> i&#39;m sorry</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> for what happened</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">to you</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> i&#39;m you</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> know there&#39;s a lot of</font>

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good that can come out<font color="#CCCCCC"> of</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it but people</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">should not</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> pay this kind of price to get</font>

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this kind<font color="#CCCCCC"> of information out</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> into</font>

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society<font color="#CCCCCC"> so i just wanted to</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> remind</font>

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<font color="#CCCCCC">people&#39;s more please go visit we&#39;ll put</font>

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the link<font color="#CCCCCC"> below</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> researcher comm slash</font>

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bounties slash slash james<font color="#E5E5E5"> -</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> d&#39;amour -</font>

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official<font color="#E5E5E5"> - fundraiser and help james out</font>

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if you have a mind<font color="#CCCCCC"> i think</font><font color="#E5E5E5"> it&#39;s a</font>

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reasonably<font color="#E5E5E5"> and good thing to do</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">james thank you so much for your time a</font>

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really<font color="#E5E5E5"> appreciated today and try and get</font>

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some<font color="#E5E5E5"> rest</font><font color="#CCCCCC"> if you&#39;ve done a good thing</font>

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<font color="#E5E5E5">thanks so much</font>

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you