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Ame vs Embrace Tad Judgement

Dec 20th, 2021 (edited)
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  1. Embrace 1:
  2. - Psylocke has good cutting, psionics, decent dura + shields, baton reactions, big skill.
  3. - Archangel has good cutting, poison, solid dura, vague but fast flight which Psylocke scales to.
  4. - Jackie runs for the pickup, and Team Embrace intercepts because they're faster. 2v1 ensues.
  5. - Even if Jackie does get ranged, flooding the map with darklings would make it harder for GR's bike to move.
  6. - Darklings ain't shit.
  7. - No proof Jackie would IC use Darklings nor proof he can spawn them fast.
  8. - GR's chain is telegraphed. GR's bike has limited room to accelerate.
  9. - GR noskill Psylocke big skill. GR loses in swordfight.
  10. - GR doesn't use piercing on humans anyway.
  11. - Hellfire cold.
  12. - Psylocke shields anyway.
  13. - Team Embrace has superior teamwork thanks to psychic comms, and win by spamming rapid piercing that Team Ame doesn't resist.
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  15. Ame 1:
  16. - I already know Ghost Rider.
  17. - I already know Jackie.
  18. - Psylocke & GR fought, and her Psi stuff didn't work.
  19. - Jackie has feats for giving psychics backlash.
  20. - GR no organs, no poison, no problem.
  21. - Jackie has some resistance to poison and grows redundant organs.
  22. - Mid-ranged supremacy song and dance. Chain whip and tendrils.
  23. - GR's bike go fast, manoeuvrable. Insta ranged. This compounds ranged advantage and also Darkling spam.
  24. - Either Team Ame engages before getting ranged and abuses mid-range piercing to win, or they go for ranged and overwhelm with sheer numbers and even more range.
  25. - Team Embrace lacks quick ways of dealing with either as their esoterics are resisted.
  26.  
  27. Embrace 2:
  28. - Context debunking Ame's interp of Psylocke/GR fight. Psi works on him.
  29. - Psylocke has lots of showings for psi-blasting people with evil minds and also people with strong psychic defenses.
  30. - If GR has no organs why does he bleed when he's cut in Wolverine scan?
  31. - Guypost about GR needing a brain to be KO'd lmao.
  32. - GR lacks piercing res, he just has regen. Archangel's poison works on people with good regen.
  33. - Also on people who resist poison like Jackie.
  34. - Also also it's a neurotoxin, Jackie can't grow a second brain, just a second heart.
  35. - Jackie's piercing res is for his Darkness suit not his explosed head. Archangel goes for the head.
  36. - Even if he doesn't cuts metal bigly. Jackie's piercing res is fake because the sword he catches only cuts through mental when he wields it and he is strong.
  37. - Jackie has no feats for using tendrils to deal with multiple superhumanly fast opponents. Also Team Embrace use piercing to cut the tendrils.
  38. - Team Ame's range sucks.
  39. - The one time Ketch Hellfire exhibits heat it's touch, not ranged. Psylocke's shields can block heat anyway.
  40. - Hellfire also has no speed as a projectile.
  41. - GR doesn't use shurikens. Shields block. Or they get deflected by Psylocke's sword/Archangel's swings.
  42. - Penance Stare - what even is it? High rate of failure against sick fucks like Archangel.
  43. - Relies on eye contact, which Psylock can avoid by using senses other than sight.
  44. - Also Ketch doesn't use Penance Stare for combat in version being ran.
  45. - Jackie's guns also get shielded and he can't get them without running into suicidal 2v1.
  46. - Darklings slow. Jackie doesn't use them anyway.
  47. - Jackie slow. Knife feat bad, big distance.
  48. - Hellfire is cold.
  49.  
  50. Ame 2:
  51. - Penance Stare exists. Hurts petty crooks bad and Team Embrace have sinned much worse.
  52. - Hellfire blocks psy powers.
  53. - Reiterating GR fire skeleton man, Jackie brain hurt.
  54. - GR has more feats of resisting psychics.
  55. - GR regens too fast for piercing. Also, can survive without most of his body, even without a head.
  56. - Jackie can open portals within a fraction of a second when the fight starts (?)
  57. It definitely looks like he's just casually walking slowly for that, doesn't seem particularly fast.
  58. - Darkling swarm won't slow down GR's bike since he'll just drive on the walls/ceiling. Or fly.
  59. - Darklings have guns. There are lots of them. Effective distractions.
  60. - Jackie does use Darklings.
  61. - GR moves his chain fast.
  62. - Hellfire has heat & blocks psychic stuff.
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  64. Result:
  65.  
  66. Embrace wins.
  67.  
  68. He demonstrated a consistent wincon for his team in the form of unresisted piercing & superior coordination. I buy Embrace's initial interpretation of the way this fight goes---Jackie makes for his ranged spawn and gets overwhelmed in a psi-coordinated 2v1 by Team Embrace, who shred him apart and/or poison him before moving onto 2v1 Ghost Rider. GR's bike is fast, but hampered by the need to accelerate to reach full speed in cramped quarters while Archangel has rapid acceleration and high manoeuvrability better suited to the battlefield. Ame put up a valiant effort trying to challenge Embrace's esoterics. I honestly do buy that both GR and Jackie are generally resistant to psychics, but the issue here is that Embrace just presented so much overwhelming evidence for Psylocke overcoming superior psi-defenses that GR and Jackie's scaling to featless psychics doesn't really do enough. Jackie's poison res evidence was similarly insufficient against Archangel's numerous showings of downing people even more resistant to poison than him and the fact that it's a neurotoxin means an extra heart can't save him. Blood aside, I do buy that GR has a weird body and poison probably doesn't work against him, but he's still demonstrated to be vulnerable to psi by Psylocke herself and his regen, no matter how fast, doesn't constitute a wincon against two people continuously hacking him to bits, especially with his reliance on slow projectiles and the bike as an unreliable low fire rate bludgeon.
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