16 Lesta Nediam LNC2016-03-27 0800 +Terran Downvale

Lesta Nediam LNC2016-03-27 0800 +Terran Downvale
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+Terran Downvale __ Excellent outline - no wonder "Jeff C" refers to you as a "Lesta sock account" hahaha. If you can "get it" then so can others. I am sure that +Mitch Conner can understand these things.




When we start out in life we think of the "news media" as a TRUSTED SOURCE. We can believe it BECAUSE it was on the news. If someone said "did you hear about X?" we might doubt it until we saw X reported on the news.




But for whatever reason - whether it has always been this way and we've simply had enough "life experience" to notice it - or it has shifted in this direction - we can definitely say that since at least the "Boston Marathon Bombing" - NOT EVERYTHING we are told is NECESSARILY true.




It is no longer the case/rule that "if it is on the news then it must have happened".




Now we must hesitate. EVEN IF every subsequent event is TRUE AND REAL - we must hesitate - because the news media has PROVEN itself capable of reporting on a FAKE event.




Now - imagine you know of a compulsive liar. Hey, we three know of one - "Jeff C". But let's imagine we know a compulsive liar who comes to our house and tells us wonderful stories.




Let us imagine that at first we don't doubt the liar. We believe everything. After all - the liar brings us PHOTOS and plays for us "interviews" he/she has done. A real "show and tell". And we believe everything the liar says.




But imagine the liar tells us about a story and for whatever reason - we happen to know it isn't true. The liar has told the story in the same convincing way - but we KNOW it's not true.




Suddenly we lose trust in the liar. Suddenly we look for faults. Suddenly we find ourselves doubting everything.




If the liar is clever then for a while the liar will tell only the truth - to lull us back into belief. But if we are smart we will never FULLY TRUST the liar again.




We can never ASSUME that what we are being told IS the truth - even if it sounds true and seems true.




We can say "hoaxers" are those who have lost all trust in the liar. They say "LIE!" after each story the liar tells.




We can say "normal people" are those who never doubted the liar - they never got "burned" (hah). They continue to "auto-believe" the liar.




Then we have in-between folk like "Jeff C" who say "we are being told a mixture of truth and lie - real events have crisis actors" (good grief - "Jeff C" is practically describing a hoax but concludes it's real!)




The point is - at this stage - each person is BELIEVING WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE.




A person who says an event is real will say "there is no PROOF it was fake so it was REAL".




An auto-hoaxer will say "there is no PROOF it happened therefore it was FAKE".




(And "normal people" - bless them - just believe whatever they're told.)




*But the common denominator is that none of us ever see what we need to see to justify a belief in our position!* That's what I am having ENORMOUS difficulty pointing out to people.




The only people who "get it" as far I can tell are a disfigured handful of people: +Terran Downvale , +cabadejo and +nationalparksign




These are the only people who notice the lack of sufficient proof AND DO NOT JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION that it MUST be real/fake.




For example - a flat Earther says "there are no real images of Earth from space - if they could show them to us they would - therefore it's FLAT"!




Someone like "Jeff C" would say "show me PROOF it was a hoax. You can't - therefore it is REAL".




These people are all making the same error.




Now - +Mitch Conner  - you were one of the first people I talked to here. I have a lot of respect for you and although I have been slow to reply to messages lately - when I do get around to writing to you - I am happy to give you my full attention. *Because I think you are someone who can see what is happening and join with us.*




You are smart enough to understand that what is being done to us is really quite simple.




We are withheld "what we need to see to know with certainty whether something did or did not happen".




>>> *THAT IS WHERE DISINFORMATION COMES IN.* <<<




It is the case that you have largely reversed your positon on "Sandy Hook". For a time you dismissed the event as a "hoax". When you changed your position it surprised a lot of people and they thought of you as a "shill" (for lack of a better term).




But if I am not mistaken - what happened was that you had several reasons for doubting the event happened. You since found out those reasons were flawed. When you saw that your reasons for doubting the event were gone - and you saw intelligent people saying it was real - then it became easy for you to accept it happened. You got "duped by some disinformation".




One of the purposes of disinformation is to trigger a "belief reversal". This is happening with the "Flat Earth" as well as with the "ISS".




For example - agents of disinformation like "Peekay" and "DITRH" will point to the "blue grid" behind alleged "astronaut" "Tim Peake" and say "that's green screen! this is 100% proof of green screen!"




Now - of course - if that were TRUE then you would be wise to not believe the "ISS". And since the "flat Earth" topic tends to APPEAL (in a sustainable way) to "stupid and unobservant people" (it just does) then a lot of them are going to believe that the "blue grid" really is "green screen".




But what happens is that later on it gets shown that the "blue grid" is a normal prop that is used from time to time.




If someone doubted the "ISS" because of THAT piece of disinformation then they may go through a "belief reversal". They may go and now claim the "ISS" is real. Because "the reasons for doubting it do not stand up to scrutiny".




The whole "flat Earth disinformation campaign" is about damage control for the "ISS". "Peekay" is leading his audience to the flat Earth (indirectly) and getting his audience comfortable and familiar with flat Earth advocates like "Russianvids" and "DITRH" who most definitely peddle disinformation.




This gives someone like "Jeff C" a soft ball. He can point out the "blue grid" isn't green screen. And by making fun of "Peekay" and pals - he convinces his audience that anyone doubting the "ISS" is really a "stupid flat Earther".




It works.




There's really just ONE genuine reason to doubt the "ISS" and it goes to the heart of the matter - the heart of the lie system - and the reason why the news media does not give us sufficient proof.




The "ISS" does not give us TEN MINUTES of "clean" "ISS" footage. We do not ever get to see ten minutes of "ISS" footage where upon scrutiny it remains free from glaring glitches, clever cuts, sneaky edits and misdirecting pans.




After hundreds to thousands of "ISS" videos - how can this be?! IT MUST BE INTENTIONAL.




The pre-recorded footage contains numerous CUTS and PANS.




The purportedly "live" footage contains numerous GLITCHES and are indistinguishable from "scripted interviews". Though since I have been focusing on "live banter" "NASA" have been giving more "banter" segments but they are all laughable.




The point is this: JUST BECAUSE WE DO NOT GET TO SEE TEN MINUTES OF GLITCH FREE "ISS" FOOTAGE DOES NOT MEAN THE "ISS" IS FAKE!




Remember above: the absence of sufficient proof does not mean the opposite is true. Just because a bombing does not show us real death does not mean it didn't happen. Just because the "ISS" does not give us 10 minutes of problem-free footage does not mean the "ISS" is fake.




The lie system ENCOURAGES US to think in those terms. To take an emotional position.




It could be that the "ISS" is fake. It could be that the "ISS" is real. What we need to see is not present. And after 15+ years we would reasonably expect by now to have seen it. But we haven't- so that is what tells us that "withholding sufficient proof" is a STRATEGY.




By CHOOSING a position - we are choosing what we FEEL is the correct answer. We choose what we want to believe. People who believe the "ISS" is real are really saying that they want to live in a world that has a real and manned "ISS".




When someone says the "Brussels Bombing" is real - they are really saying that they want to live in a world where terrorists blow up innocent people at airports.




And all the while - people are training themselves to believe things based on TRUST (an "expert" telling them - trusting that an "expert" has seen sufficient proof on our behalf) or by accepting (or mistaking) PROOF'S APPEARANCES for actual proof.




For example - "Jeff C" will cite any of the hour-long "ISS" tours and say "there are no cuts - it's all one long shot". But he is either lying or mistaken - they are FILLED with cuts and pans.




It could be that "Jeff C" is an agent against truth or it could be that his belief it is real is what's causing him to OVERLOOK all of the cuts and pans. So he actually believes he is looking at a single sequence without cuts or pans.




On that note: I know that "Jeff C" is an avid reader of my Google Plus posts because he has started to repeat MY IDEAS to his audience but with his SPIN on them. This of course is going to lead him into extreme contradictions.




For example - "Jeff C" has been saying that "auto-hoaxers are focusing on all the oddities and making a big deal of them - because they want to believe it didn't happen".




But the same is true for the OPPOSITE.




(Poor "Jeff C" just isn't that bright.)




Our default position MUST NOT be that events and claims are REAL because we *know* that LYING IS AN OPTION.




The alleged "Boston Marathon Bombing" which NO "TRUTHER" CLAIMS WAS A REAL BOMBING - not even "Jeff C" is all we need to be aware of to know that we must not "auto-believe" whatever the "corporate media" tells us.




*Our default position must always be NEUTRAL.* (And if we are never shown what we need to see - then we should probably just IGNORE it.)




And as I have been saying over and over and over - the common denominator is that "sufficient proof" is being withheld for ALL lie system events and claims.




From the shape of the Earth - to the "ISS" - to "Sandy Hook" to the "Brussels Bombings".




Sufficient proof is being strategically withheld. And the population is being forced to believe based on trust and accepting/mistaking proof's appearances for proof. And whether they embrace or reject an event - it is because they are CHOOSING a position. Because it's possible to go EITHER WAY.




Anyway - these are just some notes. I think you are able to understand these ideas. I would ask that you ponder them. Discuss them with me and the disfigured handful. Join with us.




>>> It is not that an event or claim is REAL or FAKE - it is that it can be doubted by intelligent people in the first place. <<<




If we were not in a lie system then for some events we would expect to see "sufficient proof". For some things our belief can be justified.




I've written a lot. I'll let you digest what has been written on this thread. I urge you to discuss things with +Terran Downvale , +cabadejo , +nationalparksign  and myself.




+nationalparksign has a very keen eye for details and is able to notice things that most people don't. *Between all of us - I am sure we can figure out a lot more things!*




PS. I have had to type this incredibly fast and I won't have an opportunity to read over it until later - so forgive any typos/mistakes/repetition/etc. I have always valued your presence - even though it may not have always seemed like it! I think you have what it takes to see the lie system and how it works. (It's simple stuff - but until it has been pointed out - it can be easily overlooked!)



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Here is Lesta Nediam's Google Plus posts (i.e., blog) - this is where Lesta is most active:
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Here is Lesta Nediam's YouTube channel - for videos about the lie system:
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