#impure drama

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<haliphax> blk_jack: then nope, we just have some knockoff :D
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<maze> lol
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<iks> what happened here? why did you kick people out grisk?
<iks> pantaloon even joined, how come?
<grisk> because i've tired of stupidity, that's why.
<iks> explain yourself?
<grisk> sure. why not? this pretend game is tiring.
<iks> ok i just don't get it
<grisk> there isn't much to get apart from what should be obvious to anyone at this point.
<iks> when asking "what happened", i'm talking about the fact, not about the idea
<iks> you're talking to me about the idea behind the fact, but i don't get the fact nor the reason why the idea popped up
<grisk> that he treated me disrespectfully.
<iks> here we are
<iks> what did he say or do?
<iks> we're talking about prismate, right?
<ejkos> oh
<ejkos> pop corn time again!
<grisk> lots of gibberish
<iks> which is?N
<grisk> we're talking about prismate, because there was nobody else i kicked.
<iks> you kicked pantaloon
<grisk> no, i kicked prismate
<iks> ah, right, my bad, Freud kicked pantaloon
<ejkos> why even kicking people?
<iks> which means you want him out of impure?
<iks> ejkos: channel politics :)
<ejkos> is "i have big balls on irc" still a thing today?
<iks> ejkos: absolutely not, but having someone lacking responsibilities in what he says is enough to get kicked out
<grisk> no, but i take issue with his belief that he has a right to set the agenda for the group.
<grisk> he's here vying for power.
<grisk> i can't tolerate that.
<iks> grisk, just for that? i'm living in a world where there's no leader nor "someone who decides" upon others, a group is a pile of people making the same thing, without any authority
<grisk> mere differences of opinion is not really the issue.
<grisk> tell that to him
<iks> you mean he wants to take control of the group?
<grisk> https://www.dropbox.com/s/r38hbehuqfjwuqx/prism_xfce4_by_prismate_d1ydmru.png?dl=0 - just an agenda of privacy, right...
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<grisk> and then this shit about posting a master boot record album the first thing he posts, just about a couple of days ago.
<iks> master boot record album? i don't get it
<iks> this is not a svastika, you know :)
<ejkos> https://www.deviantart.com/blair3d/art/Katana-3-43134674
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<grisk> don't be silly now.
<iks> no, i'm not silly, this is _not_ a fucking svastika
<grisk> context matters
<iks> it sure does, but calling someone a nazi is a big thing
<iks> not sure i'd want to be so sure about that
<ejkos> why can't we leave politics out of the scene?
<ejkos> I dont get it...
<PoroCYon> ejkos: ever witnessed pouët?
<ejkos> i rarely visit it
<haliphax> a.) that is not a swastika and b.) nazism is not "politics"
<iks> ejkos, politics is just a word to describe "managing people alltogether"
<iks> what haliphax said
<grisk> in the context of believing oneself to be german to the point of speaking it and using an os set to german and acting like one in every way, i sure would say so.
<ejkos> haliphax, it is. If one behaves properly in scene, I dont mind what his real life polictical opinions are.
<iks> ejkos: i'm not on your side on this one, if the guy is a fucking fascist, i'd sure wouldn't be able to work with him
<iks> i'm part of the antifa movement, no fucking way a fascist pops up in our scene
<ejkos> Thats that tolerance people usually talk about...
<grisk> and he hasn't behaved properly in a number of ways. by being disrespectful just the other day.
<iks> no, if you want tolerance everywhere, you have to be intolerant with the intolerance
<ejkos> or you simply leave that assumptions out and judge people on how they treat other people.
<iks> as long as they don't eat eachother, i'm agree with thta
<grisk> i judge him on how he treats people
<ejkos> thats why i dont ask people about their political beliefs in scene. And judge them by what they do
<iks> i've never seen prismate acting like a jerk though
<grisk> and he treated me badly by being disrespectful. telling lies.
<ejkos> this i cannot judge
<grisk> we can handle differences of opinion. it's not about that. but if the sentiment of the group is to accomodate him at all cost, then it is obvious that he will be the one to set it's creative direction.
<grisk> and i'm not going to accept that
<ejkos> I have no clue (nor opinion) about that.
<ejkos> So I'm back to eating popcorn again :p
<grisk> but i do
<PoroCYon> ejkos: well, pouët is full of scenedrama as well
<ejkos> I usually only are part of the "other scene" gossip :p
<grisk> i'm not going to take orders from a disrespectful idiot who just joined the group a year ago.
<PoroCYon> ejkos: matter might be different, but the social interactions are very alike
<ejkos> PoroCYon, yes indeed. Just surprised that real life political "opinions" are a thing...
<ejkos> I didnt see that often
<grisk> and i'm especially not going to take orders from somebody with a nazi agenda
<ejkos> That "dont steal my power" thing is nothing new tho :p
<PoroCYon> https://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=11499&page=1 enjoy
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<ejkos> "thumbdowners" hah... if i wouldnt know it better, i'd say i'm on facebook
<ejkos> hah
<PoroCYon> or the analogue vs gargaj thread, or what the "what is demoscene for you"-thread became after it derailed really badly
<PoroCYon> ejkos: it's actually about strange grudges some people in the russian zx scene hold against each other
<ejkos> mhm
<ejkos> grisk, just to understand things correctly: whats wrong about master boot records?
<grisk> nothing in itself, i suppose. but it sure is important in the context of "vying for power".
<ejkos> I guess i'm too dumb for that. Or not creative enough :)
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<grisk> he should be stripped of all power. in the political sphere, he doesn't hold power. and he doesn't hold power over impure unless impure is suddenly a group with a nazi agenda. and that would be a very stupid agenda for the group to have.
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<rSa> hi all
<rSa> hi to those who know "fartsiders" too
<rSa> ^ grisk that was rly fun :)
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<grisk> it sums you up. so it was appropriate.
<grisk> none of these stupid farts can handle any criticism or difference of opinion at all. it's because they're hypersensitive with a fragile ego.
<grisk> they don't act like jerks outright, alright. they're too timid for that.
<grisk> passive aggression is their thing.
<grisk> i drew that toilet seat for you because you acted like nazis toward me. so it's fully appropriate and couldn't be less so.
<grisk> the truth is undeniable
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<rSa> grisk they dont hate you
<grisk> by the way, iks... as far as authority goes. forgive me for saying speaking truth about the matter, but unless you establish this formally it always gets established informally.
<grisk> this is a fact
<rSa> grisk also they think thats good that piece
<rSa> no need to get serious about stuff like that
<rSa> :)
<grisk> so that's it for anarchism, really. it just doesn't work in practice.
<rSa> you well know why they did diss you thou.... but they dont hate you nor impure
<rSa> anarchism wouldnt never ever work in practice... i agree
<grisk> you can at most have that work in smaller units with few people. across the whole of society, forget it...
<rSa> yah, could work within small groups/communities
<rSa> but not on global level
<rSa> yes
<rSa> i dont rly get ppl who think that anarchism would create freedom... i bet anarchism would rather bring slavery
<grisk> brilliant! and there you have my reason for why i will not stand for anybody coming in as a new guy with pretensions to power over the group.
<rSa> i bet noone have came in like that... you know the reason... it was because you didnt believe the truth and insisted h! being female from sweden wich aint true at all... others tried to say you that too, also u have thought that prismate is female too...
<rSa> dont take that as disrespect what i said
<rSa> but reason for quittin was that
<rSa> also u though he and prismate are same person
<grisk> i've never said that prismate is female.
<rSa> well dunno but u have said prismate is h!
<grisk> no, i have not.
<rSa> and u have insisted h! is female
<rSa> aka h!entai
<grisk> yes, i have.
<grisk> you are h
<grisk> a.k.a. fucking hentai
<rSa> yeah thats totally obvious thou no rly need to say it but whatever
<rSa> but just so u know
<rSa> that was the reason i did quit
<rSa> but i still respect your work
<rSa> and your group
<grisk> the feeling isn't mutual
<rSa> to that i cant do nothing
<rSa> as i dunno what wrong i have done to you
<grisk> dishonesty is a wrong in my world.
<rSa> u still think im female and tell im lying when i say im not?
<grisk> and clinging to a cross or the like isn't going to save you from the consequences of it.
<grisk> not in my world.
<rSa> well im not stepping to your world again, as it seems its fuckin twisted... it also seems like u been stalkin that girls facebook you think was me... in my world thats called sick
<rSa> anyways, so i should take my leave?
<grisk> https://defacto2.net/f/af2da7d?name=darksiders&src=o&platform=-&section=-&sort=date_asc - this is about the shittiest thing i ever saw.
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<rSa> didnt done that
<grisk> umm... why are you stalking me here?
<rSa> im not stalkin
<rSa> i joined here cause eg smooth had changed nick a bit
<grisk> then what are you doing here?
<rSa> so to see whats hes usin atm
<grisk> nope.
<rSa> and as im used to join here when i join efnet
<rSa> but i can take my leave if my presence is unbearable for you
<rSa> dunno why you auto think its about you lol...
<grisk> sure. see yourself out.
<rSa> just happened to comment on that nice "fuckyou" ansi... as imo its funny anyways
<rSa> and u are good artist... but when feeling is not mutual at all, what i can do... ok bye... and GREAT WORK on newest pack!
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<grisk> the group of darksiders should be destroyed. period.
<ejkos> whats wrong with them?
<grisk> that they are braindead
<grisk> and just love to create drama
<ejkos> You must be their leader *sigh*
<grisk> eh? i would never even consider it.
<haliphax> the insinuation was that you love to create drama
<ejkos> I was hinting at the drama :p
<grisk> so tiring with all of the lies you lose all hope of there being any sense at all in doing anything except put a gun to your own head.
<grisk> but we still gotta love sub 70-IQ folks, eh?
<ejkos> Dont worry, we luv ya! :]
<grisk> fuck that. i hear that all the time from stupid peasants. and it's just a bunch of horseshit.
<grisk> they don't mean any of what they say, the just wanna hitch a free ride. irresponsible as they are they will draw guns as well.
<grisk> i'm sick and tired of farts
<ejkos> ah. I was hinting at the iq :(
<ejkos> Sorry. I can't resist... :)
<grisk> i don't support them.
<grisk> supporting them would presuppose that i had a suicidal deathwish. and i don't.
<grisk> thanks for the backhanded compliment, all the same
<maze> wow you really coming across as a narcissist that just had his pen0r stepped on grisk, I can't make head or tails of what you are saying, it is clear you don't like prismate but your accusations hold little to no ground
<maze> and the remarks you are making about certain groups of people just now are below the belt, unnecessary and totally uncalled for
<maze> behave like an adult, please, for the sake of keeping the crickets in this channel happy
<grisk> not at all. the context: certifiably stupid liars who feel entitled to ride on your back while simultaneously wishing that you were dead due to their political agenda - deprivation of your livelihood. and draining all the fun out of drawing while feeling that everybody should do stuff for them.
<grisk> i don't have a narcissism diagnosis. and i've gone to be diagnosed.
<grisk> so that's that.
<grisk> but you have to be able to put a foot down in front of people.
<grisk> this you may not understand.
<grisk> so i guess you're the one doing the stepping.
<grisk> the accusations hold ground.
<grisk> forget what i said about darksiders though. i simply don't care about them.
<haliphax> you have not explained at all why you have it out for prismate, you have just been spewing vague dribble with an air of arrogance and paranoia
<haliphax> don't give a fucking speech and grandstand, just say it
<haliphax> "he punched my dog", etc.
<grisk> because of him being an arrogant liar. he talks about spreading love, which is in actuality hate, and he suggests being friends, while being an unfriendly liar.
<smooth_> haliphax: Jerky boy reference?
<haliphax> smooth_: not intentionally, no xD
<haliphax> grisk: that is not citing anything specific, that is being vague again
<smooth_> grisk: what did he say??? word for word?
<smooth_> grisk: say it.
<grisk> "word for word"? it's all drivel!
<smooth_> he's been cool with me.  I've never gotten any bad vibes from the guy.  If he's a nazi then he'd definitely hate me cause I'm quite a bit darker then all of you in this channel.
<haliphax> haha
<smooth_> i never really knew that impure was run based on political beliefs.  I honestly thought it was about the art.
<haliphax> well hey now, let's not start equating nazism with "political beliefs"
<smooth_> I joined impure for the art and being around some amazing ascii artists.  really!
<smooth_> ok let me back out of the political part.
<haliphax> but yes, i understand your point
<haliphax> and i agree
<blk_jack> haha this is crazy, is there really still scene drama?!
<PoroCYon> of course there is!
<haliphax> this isn't scene drama as far as i know
<PoroCYon> yet*
<haliphax> just grisk becoming unhinged
<smooth_> as long as the guy isn't killing baby seals or slicing the heads off of kittens, I don't see what the big deal is?
<blk_jack> o i c
<smooth_> it's not like you live with the guy and it's driving you insane cause he snores to loud.
<smooth_> he's thousands of miles away in another country.
<blk_jack> smooth_: The power of the internet lets us into your living room, baby
<smooth_> blk_jack: as long as your not pissing on my floor or shitting in my bed.  Why the f* do I care?
<PoroCYon> + average DE<->SE distance is ~700 miles :P
<smooth_> PoroCYon: well, you're not gettin banned from the channel are you? :P
<blk_jack> smooth_: cyber bullying man!
<PoroCYon> smooth_: well, it hasn't happened yet, and I'm not aiming for it to happen either
<blk_jack> haha I do love that you keep bringing up the idea that someone has to live with you for them to be disruptive/annoying/abusive
<blk_jack> Cute
<blk_jack> It's the same idea as someone you work with being a dick.  Even if they're not a dick to you in person, even if it's just over slack or whatever, it's still probably shitty
<blk_jack> and you can't just discount it because you can't literally smell them or whatever
<blk_jack> I say this as the person who is usually the asshole, but over the years has realized that I need to not be an asshole, even if it's just over the internet
<grisk> smooth_: yeah, sure, he's always playing it cool...
<smooth_> if its on the internet.. so what? I don't know how old you are blk_jack but I'm too old to deal with internet drama.
<smooth_> I've been around for quite some time.
<smooth_> I've been on the internet before there was high speed.
<blk_jack> smooth_: I think everyone here is in that boat, man
<smooth_> there's no drama on the internet that should put your panties in a twist.
<blk_jack> I assume everyone here is almost 40, or 40+
<smooth_> almost 40??? wtf you're a kid.
<blk_jack> I've been working fulltime for 20 years if that's any indication :P
<haliphax> yeah, pretty much all of us are from the era where textmode was "normal"
<blk_jack> I ran a BBS for 6 years if that helps :P
<haliphax> i turn 37 next week
<hellbeard> haliphax: you are such a baby
<blk_jack> WHATS THAT 1982?!?!?!?!?11//11/41254
<smooth_> so is blk_jack he's a baby too
<hellbeard> :D
<smooth_> and I've been in the IT industry for over 27 years
<smooth_> so 20 is nothing.
<hellbeard> grow up guys!
<haliphax> i'll let my daughter know
<haliphax> hahaha
<blk_jack> My gf is only 30
<blk_jack> ;)
<haliphax> but yes, i am a grown-ass child
<haliphax> always will be
<blk_jack> haliphax: I mean you had a kid though
<blk_jack> or kids plural maybe
<blk_jack> I ain't havin kids
<smooth_> haliphax: yeah but you make me smile.
<hellbeard> i think we all suffer a bit from the peter pan syndrome
<hellbeard> otherwise we wouldnt be here
<haliphax> hellbeard: haha good point
<haliphax> blk_jack: oh, it wasn't my idea
<blk_jack> hellbeard: I'm still not sure what like, being grown up is!
<haliphax> glad i've got her, but it was never in my plan :D
<blk_jack> Is it buying a house?
<blk_jack> Is it being boring?
<blk_jack> I was hanging out with friends last night until 6
<hellbeard> yes, we should be proud of that
<blk_jack> Is that too irresponsible for someone my age??
<blk_jack> Probably I dunno
<haliphax> meh, if i could make it work with my current schedule, you bet your ass i'd still be up 'til 2 or 3am most nights and going to local metal shows and shit all the time :)
<hellbeard> thats a good question, i guess it depends on who you ask
<haliphax> anyway, back later
<haliphax> pz
<blk_jack> haliphax: Aye!
<hellbeard> for me keeping the inner child is about creativity and not getting too comfortable i think
<blk_jack> I run a meetup group here in Toronto for Android devs
<blk_jack> that's just a drinking night
<hellbeard> smell you later hx
<smooth_> my kids keep me young.
<smooth_> but not my eldest... she reminds me all the time how old I am.
<PoroCYon> <--- is 20
<hellbeard> are you smooth's eldest?
<PoroCYon> no
<smooth_> who doesn't drink at meetups?
<hellbeard> could be. :)
<blk_jack> smooth_: The guy who used to run the main Android meetup doesn't
<blk_jack> So he would like, decline alcohol & such at the meetups if the host was offering
<PoroCYon> I'm in .be, not the US
<smooth_> every single Hackathon, dev meetup is a drinking night.
<blk_jack> Now he's stepping down though so we're slowing changing things around
<blk_jack> https://www.meetup.com/Android-Social-Night/
<blk_jack> That's the group though
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<blk_jack> You can see the uhh ASCII influence I guess
<PoroCYon> smooth_: demoparties are basically drinking nights^2
<smooth_> haha
<smooth_> hellbeard: my eldest (daughter) is 26.
<blk_jack> set them uppppp
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<hellbeard> hehe
<hellbeard> atleast we are well dressed
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<smooth_> but we've changed the subject completely..
<PoroCYon> that's normal for irc, isn't it?
<blk_jack> The average age at the Android meetups here is probably 28
<smooth_> we really need to cool this matter with Prismate.
<blk_jack> but it gets rounded up higher due to the old java nerds who show up
<hellbeard> this prismate issue really makes me cringe
<hellbeard> im surprised he still wants to be in the group to be honest
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<smooth_> me too..
<hellbeard> i sent him an email and asked him to come back here so we could talk
<hellbeard> yes, like you said- we are too old for this
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<aNSt> o/
<smooth_> yeah we are.
<aNSt> Hey guys, thought I would pop in.
<hellbeard> heya
<aNSt> I just got caught up on the drama.
<blk_jack> I need to draw more
<hellbeard> :/
<aNSt> yeah
<aNSt> well I hope everything is working out.
<smooth_> I honestly don't want to see anyone leaving the group... the artists in impure are amazing and untouchable.
<aNSt> Cosigned
<smooth_> the last pack was kick ass...
<smooth_> it's crazy what kind of discussions are happening after that fact.
<aNSt> For what it's worth I better see proof positive of Prismate doing something unforgivable to have one of our most exciting artists booted.
<smooth_> the drama i've been reading ... phew... I have to check that I'm in the right channel.  This is #impure, right?
<aNSt> hah- yeah we don't want to switch our name to iMMATURE!ASCII1940
<smooth_> I have to take a double-take to make sure it's grisk that's getting mad...
<smooth_> cause grisk is cool.
<smooth_> I've always thought of every member of Impure as being cool.
<smooth_> we all may have some language barriers but we all come together for the art, right?