10:34 - Rook Sha: What did you think of the system I used for combat earlier? Any questions or anything?
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10:36 - Garry: Seemed alright
10:36 - Garry: but I'd prefer you post who's turn it is in OOC and then post when specific round is over
10:37 - Garry: Kinda odd how Osprey managed to outrun us after jumping out of second story in his exo and with machine gun
10:37 - Rook Sha: Fair, as for who's turn it is I went to each person to inform them it was their turn and kept a constant rotation to ensure no-one had any advantage that wasn't earned. For a turn being over I will start stating that
10:38 - Garry: posting who's turn it is publicly keeps me informed that something's unfolding and I dont have a brain fart from 0 stimulation
10:38 - Rook Sha: Yeah it was. When I started having distances accounted for each turn he wasn't at advantage regarding that anymore and I'll keep that in mind in future. If it wasn't for his forces at the base you would have gotten him
10:39 - Garry: well, at least they lost more dudes
10:39 - Garry: and I got to test out the MG in a safe environment
10:39 - Rook Sha: I'll do that. I'll perfect the system but overall it allows for shit to be fair and it's easier to keep track of
10:39 - Garry: Yeah, it's alright, I prefer it over what others have.
10:39 - Garry: tbh, I'm gonna swap to FAL because arguing over MG's accuracy every time I want to shoot a dude is counter-productive.
10:40 - Rook Sha: There's no minge running away and there's no bullshit. I'll write over a guide so other admins/GMs can use it too
10:40 - Garry: Yeah, a guide is needed
10:40 - Garry: no idea if they'll bother to follow it
10:40 - Garry: nobody seems to care about Taylor's
10:41 - Rook Sha: It's namely the dp-28, it's an old rifle meant for suppression. If you have a pkm/pkp it'd be a lot more accurate, and an exo means that you can basically have no sway when aiming
10:41 - Garry: lemme tell ya my dude
10:41 - Garry: DP-28 is definitely not for suppression
10:41 - Rook Sha: I'll standardise it. Minimises bias
10:41 - Garry: with 48 round mag the size of your face, you dont carry much ammo
10:42 - Rook Sha: Hmm. Ill do some research on it. If you can find anything relevant send it my way and I'll keep it in mind
10:43 - Garry: It's scientifically and historically proven that a machine gun is any unit's primary killer as it 1) Uses powerful round that travels far 2) Has great firepower. Wehrmacht's unit was completely built around MG38 and MG42, nazis with rifles were there to pin the baddy. Same with the soviets
10:43 - Garry: if such weapon can't hit a standing target 200 meters away, it's utterly useless.
10:45 - Rook Sha: I see your point. If you can find something to back that up it'd help
10:44 - Rook Sha is now Away.
10:45 - Garry: yeah I got a vid just gonna drop it to you
10:45 - Garry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rKRt5zVZgw
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10:48 - Rook Sha: Is there anything specifically on the effectiveness of the DP?
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10:50 - Garry: http://www.gunsandammo.com/historical/a-soviet-workhorse-the-dp-28-machine-gun/
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10:51 - Garry: Firing at 100 yards, accuracy was excellent, with most groups running in the 3½-inch range, slightly high and to the right. That’s about as good as I can do with any iron-sighted gun.

Read more: http://www.gunsandammo.com/historical/a-soviet-workhorse-the-dp-28-machine-gun/#ixzz5DkrvSd6t
10:51 - Rook Sha is now Away.
10:51 - Garry: IRL, most firearms shoot straighter than the shooter can. In vice grip, no combat-ready firearm will have MOA under 3-4.
10:52 - Garry: in comparison M4 has MOA of 2-3 at 100, with AK74 having 3
10:52 - Garry: After that, functioning was 100 percent. The DP-28 is simply a real joy to fire and extremely accurate.
10:54 - Garry: http://www.breachbangclear.com/dp-28-the-soviets-infantry-machine-gun/
10:54 - Garry: It was reliable, efficient, accurate and durable. It could be manhandled and still work like new. It could endure freezing temperatures and continue to lay down fire. It was the DP-28 – the Pulemyot Degtyaryova Pekhotny (Degtyaryov’s infantry machine gun).
10:54 - Rook Sha is now Online.
10:55 - Rook Sha: From what I read, the bipod is trash and sustained fire would ruin the spring which was below the barrel
10:55 - Rook Sha: It was prone to overheating with sustained fire
10:55 - Rook Sha: But I'll read those too
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10:55 - Garry: good thing I did not use bipod, nor did I fire beyond 2round burst
10:55 - Garry: the spring issue was fixed by WW2
10:56 - Garry: so was bipod
10:56 - Rook Sha is now Online.
10:56 - Rook Sha: Can't find anything on that
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10:57 - Garry: DPM, modernized version adopted in 1943–44, with a more robust bipod fastened to the cooling jacket and the recoil spring housed in a tube projecting from the rear of the receiver which necessitated a pistol grip for this model of the weapon (manufactured in China as the Type 53)
10:57 - Garry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degtyaryov_machine_gun
10:57 - Rook Sha is now Online.
10:58 - Rook Sha: You specifically have a DP-28 or 27 tho, yes?
10:58 - Rook Sha: Not a DPM
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10:58 - Garry: Maybe, maybe not
10:58 - Rook Sha is now Online.
10:58 - Garry: in the end, none of DP27's downsides came into equation during the fight
10:58 - Rook Sha: What's the script say?
10:58 - Garry: DP28
10:59 - Rook Sha: They didn't, which is why your weapon was never said to have broken or overheated
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10:59 - Garry: Well, thought we were talking accuracy here.
10:59 - Rook Sha is now Online.
10:59 - Rook Sha: True. I'm still watching the first video
10:59 - Rook Sha is now Away.
11:01 - Garry: tbh thought the whole "MGs are full auto heavy ass rifles that can whistand sustained fire", that's why everyone was fine with osprey going /me shoots 15 times into you, all shots land
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11:01 - Garry: was understood*
11:02 - Rook Sha: He has a m249 and an exoskeleton
11:02 - Rook Sha: Also all his hits didn't land
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11:03 - Rook Sha: You also had a chance to shoot at him again after your rounds deflecting before moving back into cover
11:03 - Rook Sha: Before he moved into cover*
11:03 - Garry: Well, M249's effective range is about 800, equal to that of DP28
11:03 - Garry: granted it has less recoil due to weaker round
11:04 - Garry: and not specifically this fight
11:04 - Garry: previous ones
11:04 - Rook Sha: Zippy was told that ospreys shots were to suppress and probably wouldn't land, maybe one would, he chose to take the hits he sustained
11:04 - Garry: i see
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11:05 - Rook Sha: Probably cause he acknowledged I wasn't going to allow either side to game the system, osprey had to wait for everyone's turn to pass before going into cover as he still would have been in your LOS during that turn
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11:06 - Garry: were you going by Osprey's system of exo whistanding 2 7.62x54R shots, or was the effect reduced because I targetted the back plate?
11:06 - Rook Sha: Because you shot at his back plate, if you had landed shots in his limbs, front or side they would have gotten him
11:07 - Garry: No I am asking specifically if hitting the back plate meant that he had extra protection beyond exosuit's armor
11:07 - Rook Sha: They deflected due to the back unit, which is probably the heaviest and most armoured part of the eco
11:07 - Rook Sha: Exo
11:07 - Rook Sha: It was also due to the angle
11:07 - Garry: that's what I mean when they don't care about Taylor's guide.
11:07 - Rook Sha: As you were to his back right from where he was facing
11:07 - Garry: he specifically simplified it to use in combat because most of the admin team understands nothing of ballistics
11:08 - Rook Sha: Zippy heard me discuss this
11:08 - Garry: That's great, but that's still not part of Taylor's guide.
11:08 - Rook Sha: Again, they deflected due to the angle. I understand ballistics enough that taking a round straight on isn't the same as taking a round at a 45* or greater angle
11:09 - Rook Sha: The backpack has a slim profile, probably why it covers so much of the back and why it's not just a big box
11:09 - Garry: I understand it as such, Taylor outlined that an exo can only take 2 7.62x54r shots into torso. He specifically said, model considerations are not taken into account to simplify it.
11:10 - Garry: I abide by this, that's why I never claim that my Stingray 9 protects shoulders at level 3 thanks to body armor spread.
11:10 - Rook Sha: Then I'll discuss that with him. I didn't know that was part of it
11:10 - Garry: I'd find it unfair if Osprey tanked more than 2 shots outlined in the guide.
11:10 - Garry: I mean, yeah, otherwise exo's chest would be most protected while guts are exposed due to retarded heroic-vest model.
11:11 - Rook Sha: But the exo backpack is solid af. I would expect it to be designed as such so that in situations like that rounds would deflect
11:11 - Garry: That would make sense if the backplate had battery inside
11:11 - Garry: since it does not, it serves no purpose and thus needs no additional armoring
11:11 - Garry: Note: This describes where armor is and what level it is at. These regions can be generalized and being super specific about what's on the model and not is not necessary.
11:11 - Rook Sha: I'll ask nasca
11:11 - Garry: dont ask nasca, read Taylor's armor guide
11:11 - Garry: he worked on this bitch
11:11 - Garry: he put in effort
11:12 - Rook Sha: I'm asking nasca about what's in it specifically cause I forget
11:12 - Rook Sha: Nasca knows more about the suits than just about anyone
11:12 - Rook Sha: I'll speak with both of them regarding this
11:13 - Garry: Don't bother writing the guide I guess, nobody will read it just like nobody reads Taylor's, even when prompted. Effort wasted.
11:13 - Garry: Nobody reads my guide too
11:13 - Garry: HELL
11:13 - Rook Sha: Taylor's new guide also doesn't state much but penetration yes/no and vaguely what kind of injury you will sustain
11:13 - Garry: Nobody reads suit lore guide either
11:14 - Rook Sha: I did read the guide
11:14 - Garry: My guide supplement's taylor's in that regard
11:14 - Rook Sha: I didn't see that part of it, yes
11:14 - Garry: he'll implement it soon into his
11:14 - Garry: http://forums.ethereal-networks.com/index.php?/topic/493-the-why-bother-principle/&do=findComment&comment=1736
11:14 - Garry: Here you go
11:14 - Garry: People asked me for solution, got it.
11:15 - Rook Sha: There's no need to sperg out about it. If you want to do that I can bitch to you about how you got a sphere-12 from goose's x9 event despite it not being in his loot list for his proposal
11:15 - Garry: I am not bitching, why you assume that is beyond me.
11:15 - Rook Sha: So why bother having event proposals if GMs can asspull rewards for their buddies
11:15 - Garry: or sperging.
11:15 - Garry: Now that's just malicious talk, it was lying out in the open, plain for everyone to see
11:16 - Garry: to imply that he dropped it just for me, where nobody could see or access it, is just unfair both to me and goose.
11:16 - Rook Sha: Malicious how?
11:16 - Garry: That Goose is somehow corrupt, dropping script items for his buddies.
11:16 - Rook Sha: Why else add something mid event or just before it starts
11:16 - Garry: It was for everyone on the job.
11:17 - Rook Sha: He prepares this event, then just before or during decides "you know this needs a sphere-12"
11:17 - Garry: That's up to him to decide that
11:17 - Rook Sha: Then they make the event easier cause of how long it takes and people drop off
11:17 - Garry: but the reason is definitely not to make me richer specifically
11:17 - Rook Sha: Further narrowing who would get it
11:17 - Rook Sha: It wasn't up to him.
11:17 - Rook Sha: Event proposals are there for a reason
11:17 - Garry: You know that's extremely convoluted way to give me a Sphere 12 when he could just sell it to me as a tech
11:17 - Rook Sha: If we have a loot list in the event proposal, then you must follow what is approved
11:18 - Rook Sha: He can't make sphere-12's
11:18 - Garry: No idea why he added it, but to say he was corruptly supplying me with free shit is a stretch and an attack.
11:18 - Rook Sha: And if he thinks he can, he's sorely mistaken
11:18 - Rook Sha: An attack. Really?
11:18 - Rook Sha: That's rich dude
11:18 - Garry: i mean, you're saying we're colluding behind the scenes just to script play
11:19 - Rook Sha: I'm saying why add it. Why bother with tier lists for events
11:19 - Garry: No idea, but it was not related to me.
11:19 - Garry: and yes, he can sell Sphere-12s just like how he can sell NVG goggle script items
11:19 - Garry: that's tech system
11:19 - Garry: he's high tier enough for that, with suit spec
11:20 - Rook Sha: He cannot sell spheres, they are almost entirely owned by the military. He can't just make them
11:20 - Garry: He doesnt make them, he buys them, from the menu
11:20 - Garry: aka contacts IC
11:20 - Garry: same place traders buy berills and AN94s
11:20 - Garry: Tech have limited stock of helmets, NVG goggles and gas masks for sale.
11:21 - Rook Sha: I'll talk to nasca about that but it's hard to believe a tech can asspull the best helmet available
11:21 - Garry: well it's apparently not hard to believe when it's attached to Berill or RS-3a
11:21 - Garry: again, dont talk to Nasca about it, talk to Taylor.
11:21 - Rook Sha: RS-3a has a steel helmet
11:21 - Garry: ah ah ah
11:21 - Garry: RS-2 has steel helmet
11:21 - Garry: RS-3a has upgraded out the ass level 3 helmet
11:21 - Garry: compared to script item's level 2
11:22 - Rook Sha: Berill has a sphere 8, and you can't asspull those either
11:21 - Garry: You can, you literally can as long as you're a tech
11:22 - Rook Sha: The cs-3 has one, yes
11:22 - Garry: The time of "you gotta suck a gajillion dicks" for sunset is over
11:22 - Rook Sha: But the rs suits are cheap knock offs
11:22 - Rook Sha: Suck a gajillion dicks lol
11:22 - Garry: The only difference between CS and RS series is that RS series is heavier and has less anomalous protection
11:22 - Rook Sha: You mean put in some effort?
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11:22 - Garry: Yeah, it's really obnoxious to hound a simple helmet across the zone just to get the loner combat suit
11:23 - Rook Sha is now Online.
11:23 - Garry: it was dealt away with, now you can just buy sunset suits
11:23 - Garry: any trader of high enough tier provides.
11:23 - Garry: that's the idea, you know. Tiers represent trader connections and specializations
11:23 - Rook Sha: It's stupid tbh, it's just economy swelling garbage
11:24 - Rook Sha: Sunsets were meant from the start to be scavenged suits that you earn
11:24 - Garry: well, feel free to bring it up at the admin meeting, but don't go ahead and enforce your believes against server's policies.
11:24 - Rook Sha: It's not my beliefs, I was in the lore team meeting when we all agreed this
11:24 - Garry: Well, it's all gone, man
11:24 - Garry: Vaska bought his at a trader
11:25 - Rook Sha: And? Doesn't mean it's not retarded
11:25 - Garry: And RS-3's description indicates that it's heavier and has less anomalous protection than CS-3
11:25 - Garry: Aaaand, it's for a reason that admin team decides one thing or another, and the last thing I want is for you to sweep in and claim my RS-3a sucks donkey dick for 100k I paid for it.
11:26 - Rook Sha: Whatever. I'm goin to bed. Seeyuh
11:26 - Garry: Bye.
11:26 - Rook Sha: Not my fault decisions were made behind people's backs.
11:26 - Rook Sha: Literally can't do anything about that.
11:26 - Garry: That's true, I dont blame you for getting upset
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11:27 - Garry: Nor will I blame you for wanting to contest it
11:27 - Garry: Just don't enforce things until they're changed officially.
11:27 - Rook Sha is now Online.
11:27 - Rook Sha: What was I enforcing
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11:27 - Garry: Well, for one, exo carrying more armor than it should.
11:27 - Rook Sha: And second?
11:28 - Garry: And second, you believed that RS-3a's helmet was not one of the top tier ones.
11:28 - Garry: Granted, you did not enforce that on a person.
11:28 - Rook Sha: This is what I've heard
11:28 - Garry: well, the guide indicates that RS-3a has level 3 hard helmet
11:28 - Rook Sha: The fact that isnt meant to be the case shows someone's not doing their homework
11:28 - Garry: homework is such
11:29 - Garry: we assume that steel helmet script item equals to CS-2 protection
11:29 - Garry: which is level II
11:29 - Garry: the helmet that comes with RS-3a is superior to that.
11:29 - Rook Sha: Wat
11:29 - Garry: you saw CS-2 right?
11:29 - Rook Sha: Nah wait
11:29 - Garry: it has a flat brain bucket.
11:29 - Rook Sha: Ur right on that one
11:29 - Rook Sha: I forgot the 1 is the hooded one
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11:30 - Garry: But yeah, it's just a helmet. You might have to find a guy who sells them and pay a good price, but in the end it's just something cool to wear that's produced for the most corrupt organization in Ukraine.
11:31 - Garry: so I didnt steal from everyone by picking it up at Goose's event.
11:31 - Rook Sha: The rs series are literally called reproduction suits, they're knock offs of the cs suits
11:31 - Garry: True, that's why they had to replace some stuff like bodysuit with sunrise
11:31 - Garry: since anomalous protection etc of theirs was not understood proper
11:32 - Rook Sha: Whatever. Goose got his GM removed by management so not my problem anymore
11:32 - Garry: So it seems.