[22:18] <%Alch> The barrier for sluggish should really be greater than or equal to 8
[22:18] <iiMKUltra> who wasn't retarded
[22:18] <Quagsires> Fate joined asb?
[22:18] <jas61292> I could still lose, but that would depend on paralyis.
[22:19] <iiMKUltra> i talked to him a lot
[22:19] <Objection> tbh I think alch is right
[22:19] <iiMKUltra> but now don't remember who it wa
[22:19] <iiMKUltra> s
[22:19] <iiMKUltra> lol quag
[22:19] <iiMKUltra> were you in the channel
[22:19] <Woodchuck> hyper beam doesn't really have a drawback
[22:19] <Objection> some types' most powerful attacks that see any real use are less than 10 BP
[22:19] <Objection> eg, ghost
[22:19] <iiMKUltra> when i first found out fate was asian
[22:19] <Quagsires> probably
[22:19] <Woodchuck> lol
[22:19] <Woodchuck> the well?
[22:19] <iiMKUltra> coughhexcough
[22:19] <iiMKUltra> no
[22:19] <iiMKUltra> ginga told me
[22:19] <jas61292> There really should be more to being sluggish
[22:19] <%Alch> If we're technical though, p-z began with a 2hp lead over me so...
[22:19] <Lou> abby still wouldn't mind 8+ sluggish but
[22:19] <%Alch> Indeed
[22:19] <Woodchuck> if you're sluggish your moves shoudl have a priority of -1 or something
[22:20] <iiMKUltra> photos of them
[22:20] <%Alch> No
[22:20] <Objection> I'm only counting their natural base power
[22:20] <Woodchuck> how does sluggish equal lack of power?
[22:20] <%Alch> Power should be halved
[22:20] <iiMKUltra> four people
[22:20] <Woodchuck> or at least speed decrease
[22:20] <Lou> then again absol and company are the kind of attackers who should get a break on htose moves anyway
[22:20] <%Alch> To account for hyper beam's increased power
[22:20] <iiMKUltra> i was like well the ginger one must be ginga
[22:20] <Woodchuck> eh
[22:20] <jas61292> With pory, the main problem is that it can alternate Hyper Beam and Tri Attack
[22:20] <iiMKUltra> nagai is probably asian
[22:20] <iiMKUltra> the other asian must be hip
[22:20] <iiMKUltra> 'no that's fate'
[22:20] <iiMKUltra> WHAT
[22:20] <iiMKUltra> NO FUCKING WAY
[22:20] <%Alch> Together with adaptability ;_;
[22:20] <iiMKUltra> fate is ASIAN??
[22:20] <jas61292> Yeah, that helps too
[22:20] <Lou> Sluggish for 8 or more BAP would be fine
[22:20] <Lou> I think
[22:21] * Woodchuck is now known as Woodchuck|away
[22:21] <Objection> put it forward next SotG
[22:22] <%Alch> We need to define what sluggish is
[22:22] <%Alch> I think decrease in bp is the fairest way to do it
[22:22] <%Alch> Hyper beam shouldn't be a standard attack
[22:23] <%Alch> It should be a 'finishing move' of sorts
[22:23] <%Alch> In which you bundle your power into one
[22:23] <Objection> you know
[22:23] <Objection> we could actually have those moves work like in-game
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[22:23] <Objection> I mean, we have combos have a cooldown action after them
[22:23] <Objection> why not hyper beam and co?
[22:23] <iiMKUltra> that makes them insanely weak
[22:24] <iiMKUltra> combos are upwards of 20 bp
[22:24] <iiMKUltra> hb and the like are 15
[22:24] <jas61292> Well, in game it is a turn of recovery. In the anime however, there seems to be no penalty at all.
[22:24] <Objection> not psyshock+psybeam
[22:24] <Objection> that's only 15 BP
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[22:24] <iiMKUltra> still hurts the fuck out of a gengar
[22:24] <jas61292> So a sluggish turn seems fair, but it really should be more than it currently is
[22:24] * Woodchuck|away is now known as Woodchuck
[22:24] <Woodchuck> you know
[22:24] <%Alch> The bp of the next move should be halved, or if it's a non-damaging move it should fail 1/2 of the time
[22:24] <Woodchuck> for hyper beam and co, instead of a cap on power
[22:24] <Woodchuck> it should be a cap on energy
[22:25] <Woodchuck> because the point is you have a lack of energy
[22:25] <jas61292> That actually does make more sense
[22:25] <Objection> woodchuck brings up an excellent point
[22:25] <%Alch> Indeed
[22:25] <Objection> 5 or 6
[22:25] <Objection> and ... before or after STAB
[22:25] <Woodchuck> the attack power limit right now is 10, right
[22:25] <Woodchuck> and it should be after the stab decrease
[22:26] <Woodchuck> because you'd find it easier to use a move of your type
[22:26] <Objection> well most 10 BP moves have 6 energy cost after stab
[22:26] <Woodchuck> yeah
[22:26] <Objection> so ... 5 en max?
[22:26] <Objection> after stab
[22:26] <Objection> it still solves the p-z problem because stab tri attack costs 6 en
[22:26] <Woodchuck> that sounds good
[22:27] <Objection> all righty