[09:50] Tits: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=33393699#p33393699
[09:53] Chaco: wow more subs and more amphibious transport docks than the US Navy
[09:53] Ghant: Looks the USA (United States of Akai) is back.
[09:54] Master Edom: you got a couple of typos in your links
[09:54] Chaco: Actually more combat ships than the US Navy
[09:55] Master Edom: But anyway: I'm skeptical but I'm also tired so I'll talk more about this tomorrow.
[09:55] Tits: You know Ghant that was designed primarily by Arth and Cuscy and not myself?
[09:56] Chaco: They arent in the region
[09:56] Master Edom: Arth and Cuscy are good guys but they're not in the region.
[09:56] Tits: That is irrelevant, it's more their advice based on Akai's needs for Cornellia and are based around its budget
[09:56] Master Edom: lol what did they say your needs were?
[09:57] Chaco: And what is your budget to have a bigger navy than the US?
[09:57] Tits: For all practical purposes ignore the corvettes
[09:57] Tits: so 212 ships in practice
[09:58] Master Edom: answer the questions please
[09:58] Chaco: That is still fucking huge
[09:58] Tits: Also qualitively Akai is less than the US
[09:58] Tits: Akai is a naval power
[09:58] Tits: always has been
[09:58] Chaco: How what does Akai ever do?
[09:58] Master Edom: if you don't answer the question I'm going to make YOU irrelevant
[09:58] Tits: Also Akai wants Tempesta
[09:58] Tits: At least control and influence over it
[09:58] Tits: And wants a long reach
[09:58] Chaco: Jesus its too late for this stupid shit again
[09:59] Ghant: What is Akai's budget?
[09:59] Tits: it is also paranoid about carrier groups as well from abroad which is what the navy is designed to counter

Also let me get it up
[09:59] Master Edom: You don't need that many ships for that
[09:59] Chaco: always the fucking paranoid excuse
[10:01] Master Edom: I think that we'll need to cut it down, Tits
[10:01] Master Edom: There are too many ships. too many subs.
[10:01] Tits: No
[10:01] Master Edom: Oh yes :smiley:
[10:01] Master Edom: cut it down to be reasonable.
[10:02] Tits: 97.405 billion
[10:02] Tits: USD
[10:03] Master Edom: 1 Supercarrier
3 battlecruisers
3 aircraft carriers
12 amphibious transport docks
8 cruisers[/ur]
24 [url=http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Glastnev_Class_Destroyer]destroyers
36 frigates
9 SSGNs
8  SSNs
18 SSK (AIP)
25 corvettes
Glastnev_Class_Destroyer]destroyers
[10:03] Tits: Is the budget size
[10:03] Tits: Noi
[10:03] Master Edom: Those numbers look a lot better, and are very generous.
[10:03] Tits: That navy is well adjusted for the needs of Akai
[10:04] Chaco: Id cut the amphibious docks too
[10:04] Master Edom: it doesn't suit the region. It's unacceptable.
[10:04] Tits: It does suit the region
[10:04] Master Edom: Good thought. Cut them in half.
[10:04] Tits: it was literally designed for it
[10:04] Master Edom: not with my say so
[10:04] Master Edom: and I do not say so.
[10:04] Tits: No, it was consulted with you before hand in order to repair the navy
[10:04] Chaco: How by non regional people with a budget that you made up on your own?
[10:04] Tits: and you said it was okay
[10:04] Tits: then
[10:04] Tits: Frankly this is utter bullshit
[10:04] Master Edom: I didn't say the numbers were okay
[10:04] Tits: You did
[10:04] Chaco: Tits the shit you do constantly is utter bullshit
[10:04] Master Edom: when?
[10:05] Tits: You said it was okay and was made as reivison of what I had previously which was unrealistic
[10:05] Tits: Remember that inncident?
[10:05] Master Edom: I said you could have 125 corvettes?!
[10:05] Tits: I went to Arth and Cuscy when they were here
[10:05] Tits: yes
[10:05] Master Edom: I don't remember anything of the kind.
[10:05] Tits: I will cut the corvetes
[10:05] Master Edom: and the subs
[10:05] Master Edom: and the LHDs, and the frigates and destroyers
[10:05] Master Edom: you have no need for them. Your nation is like an insane version of Australia mixed with Indonesia
[10:06] Master Edom: No one else in the region has that many subs AND carriers
[10:08] Tits: That is because you have different naval philosophies. You have more carriers than me and Akai's ones are generally comporable to modified old Soviet designs
[10:08] Master Edom: it's just too many, there's no way your country could afford that
[10:08] Tits: No it can afford that
[10:08] Master Edom: Your nation is basically a hermit kingdom, the only nations that deal with it in trade are New Edom and Rome that actually count.
[10:09] Tits: The latter is something I have sought to change trade wise but have never recieved any response to
[10:09] Master Edom: New Edom has the following:
5 carriers
[10:09] Tits: furthermore the GDP of Akai is 2.9 trillion
[10:10] Tits: Nominally
[10:10] Chaco: Fucking how?
[10:10] Tits: I've wanted Akai to be an outsourcing based economy,  with a few considerably developed areas
[10:11] Tits: I'd prefer to have a lower GDP per capita and a higher population
[10:11] Tits: but that is not possible
[10:11] Tits: Ask Cuscy for his word on this
[10:11] Tits: Hopefully he should remember the inncident
[10:11] Tits: I talked to him a lot during it
[10:13] Tits: The Navy is just a bit larger than Russia's
[10:13] Tits: Who is mostly landlocked
[10:13] Tits: Akai is entirely reliant on overseas trade, has a tangible threat of several carrier groups, a larger budget than Russia and is willing to spend on it more, on top of using generally cheaper equipment
[10:14] Chaco: You dont trade with hardly anyone
[10:14] Master Edom: 5 carriers
4 cruisers
4 LHDs
16 destroyers
28 frigates
5 arsenal ships
22 ssks
6 minesweepers
24 corvettes
16 patrol ships
[10:14] Master Edom: that's my fleet
[10:14] Tits: The PLAN uses 496
[10:14] Master Edom: I'm actually giving you a bigger fleet than mine with my adjustments, I'm not allowing you to have 4 x my fleet, Novi's or Adiron's.
[10:14] Tits: I do trade with others but it hasn't been preciesely established due to people being generally unreceptive
[10:15] Master Edom: of course not. You've done a lousy job of explaining it
[10:15] Chaco: Because no one trades with you thats why they are unreceptive
[10:15] Tits: I do want trade
[10:15] Tits: I need to focus on something else
[10:15] Chaco: because they dont want to trade with a pariah nation
[10:15] Tits: so I have to go
[10:15] Master Edom: So look, you need to accept my changes. I realize this may be frustrating, but I did NOT okay that
[10:15] Tits: we can continue tomorrow
[10:15] Tits: No
[10:15] Tits: You did okay that
[10:15] Tits: You have forgotten but you did
[10:16] Master Edom: If you want to see me as a tyrant, Tits, that's unfortunate, but I'm reviewing it and telling you now that it's not okay. You must change it
[10:16] Master Edom: Your navy has to reflect the realities of the region. You should do just fine with a smaller one.
[10:17] Tits: I do not see you as a tyrant
[10:18] Tits: This happened a while ago and if I get the opportunity to find the logs which I hopefuly have saved I will get them for you
[10:19] Tits: But this was approved and was designed to deal with the existing regional balance of power
[10:20] Chaco: what the hell are you even talking about
[10:20] Tits: It was designed to deal with potential realistic military threats Akai could be forced to deal with at the time
[10:20] Master Edom: this is the decision I've made now
[10:20] Chaco: you have no military threats
[10:21] Master Edom: you have a larger fleet, in fact, than my own, so I see this as more than sufficient
[10:21] Chaco: no one rps with you
[10:21] Ghant: I recall an argument about you not being able to claim 3 trillion GDP...so you claim 2.9 trillion. That's basically gaming the system.
[10:22] Master Edom: anyway the main point is you can still contribute in the Kingdom of Light RP as your navy stands quite respectably.
[10:22] Tits: Being larger than your navy is reasonable Edom given you have a far smaller economy, are primarily army focused
[10:22] Master Edom: that's debatable, but I'm not debating it now
[10:22] Tits: Also being a pariah doesn't stop people trading with you, see Saudi Arabia and China for good examples there
[10:22] Master Edom: sticking to the subject, gentlemen, the navy I have recommended to you will be enough
[10:23] Chaco: Those arent even close to Akai
[10:23] Master Edom: I have put the recommendation in the war planning thread. Go take a look, it's fine
[10:23] Chaco: a nation that you have described as being unified by nukes
[10:23] Tits: I will not be using that navy
[10:23] Tits: However
[10:24] Tits: China widely regarded as the 4th most authoritarian nation in the world
[10:24] Master Edom: If you do not post in the war planning thread tha tyou accept my numbers, you will have to leave the region.
[10:24] Tits: Behind Syria, DPRK, and Iran iirc
[10:24] Tits: Saudi Arabia executes homosexuals frequently
[10:24] Chaco: But none of them are as bad as your description of akai
[10:25] Master Edom: anyway we'll deal with the economics later guys
[10:25] Chaco: But anyways about that navy
[10:26] Tits: No, I'd say that they are moderately close in quite a few ways given they are the source material in may ways
[10:27] Master Edom: anyway everyone else has accepted reasonable and realistic numbers in the region, so you're hardly being singled out
[10:27] Tits: These are entirely realistic
[10:27] Master Edom: so please post in the war planning thread that you accept my numbers
[10:27] Master Edom: my numbers? yes they are.
[10:27] Tits: I can point to IRL for several examples
[10:27] Tits: No
[10:27] Tits: Mine are
[10:27] Chaco: Byr then
[10:27] Tits: Yours are far too small
[10:27] Master Edom: then out you go.
[10:27] Chaco: have fun out of the region
[10:27] Tits: This is ridiclious frankly. I have contributed much to to this region and I will not leave it on such a silly dispute.
[10:28] Tits: Let us sought this out when we are all more level headed.
[10:28] Tits: We are tired
[10:28] Chaco: Kick rocks
[10:28] Tits: And presently due to writing an essay write now cannot focus on it
[10:28] Master Edom: well, you should write your essay then. If you agree to what I have said you may reapply
[10:29] Tits: Let us neogiate something latter
[10:29] Tits: I cannot focus on it right now
[10:29] Tits: and it is a drastic action at the very least
[10:29] Master Edom: Tits, it's very simple, you can post your acceptance of my numbers and negotiate after that.
[10:30] Master Edom: I've opened administration, and I'm about to kick you out of the region. Yes or no?
[10:30] Master Edom: one...
[10:30] Master Edom: two...
[10:30] Tits: Yes... for now
[10:30] Master Edom: post your acceptance.
[10:30] Tits: I can't
[10:30] Master Edom: why?
[10:30] Tits: busy/vpn not working
[10:31] Master Edom: ah, I see. Well you can reapply to the region in the morning.
[10:31] Tits: Why are you kicking me
[10:31] Tits: I said I would agree
[10:31] Chaco: weird says youre online
[10:31] Tits: I just can't right now as I am busy
[10:31] Tits: I have my PC open at home
[10:32] Master Edom: didn't you just post tonight?
[10:32] Tits: Yes but my VPN was working
[10:32] Tits: right now it just disconnected
[10:32] Tits:

[10:32] Tits: see
[10:33] Chaco: fuck me all those tabs
[10:33] Chaco: its unreadable
[10:34] Master Edom: I'll make this easy for you: you can reapply when your VPN works again, send me a telegram.
[10:34] Tits:

[10:34] Tits: Why do I need to reapply
[10:35] Tits: You have kicked me for agreeing with you
[10:35] Tits: I am trying to be reasonable here
[10:35] Tits: And have contributed loads to this region in my time here
[10:35] Tits: And I plan to contribute much more
[10:35] Master Edom: because you were not able to do what I asked you to do.
[10:36] Master Edom: after all you JUST POSTED
[10:36] Master Edom: you posted your crazy ship numbers, and suddenly you can't post?
[10:37] Tits: yes
[10:37] Master Edom: this is what you must do. post in the thread when you can and accept my numbers, and then we can negotiate, as you say
[10:38] Tits: it's working again
[10:38] Tits: okay posted
[10:38] Chaco: A miracle!
[10:38] Tits: No
[10:38] Tits: My VPN is a pain
[10:38] Tits: it goes down constantly
[10:38] Chaco: The heavans opened and fixed the problem!
[10:38] Master Edom: Hmmmmm I don't like this 'for now'
[10:39] Master Edom: I think it should just be 'yes'
[10:39] Master Edom: yes those are good numbers
[10:39] Chaco: Ill get you next time Edom! Next time!
[10:39] Tits: They are unrealistic
[10:39] Tits: Unrealistically small
[10:39] Master Edom: how unfortunate
[10:40] Tits: For now anyuways is for further neogiation
[10:40] Master Edom: well, your prevarication has resulted in you being kicked.
[10:41] Tits: ...
[10:41] Tits: I thought you were a friend of mine. I am frankly incredibly disappointed that it has come to this
[10:41] Master Edom: after your insults and contempt?
[10:41] Master Edom: You call that friendship?
[10:42] Tits: No, I never insulted you.  I may have been rude about the ideas propsoed
[10:42] Tits: Ihold you n high esteem
[10:42] Master Edom: Let me be blunt with you, I'm the only person in the region who even wanted you here. So I gave you an opportunity to make things better, and you continued to spit in my face.
[10:44] Master Edom: Seriously: get your act together. No more godmodding. No more talking like I don't arbitrate things in the region.
[10:44] Tits: I want to be honest with you and I from my perspective have created something and did create something which suited the region. at the time.
[10:44] Tits: This may have changed so Id'd be willing to clos carriers
[10:44] Master Edom: And I told you you didn't.
[10:45] Tits: *lose
[10:45] Master Edom: Your problem is you don't take me seriously. You have to start doing that. When you reapply, keep that in mind.
[10:46] Master Edom: Ultimately this is a game. It has to have rules and fairness. It has to have someone to decide this, and in this region, ultimately that's me. Either you like that or you don't. You made it clear tonight that you only do under duress.
[10:47] Tits: Edom if I did not tkae you seriously I never  would've agreeed to the intial changesi n the navy in the first place
[10:47] Tits: When I had to revise it
[10:47] Master Edom: Your only choice s here are to reapply or go somewhere else.
[10:47] Tits: We will speak latter.
[10:47] Tits: That is it
[10:47] Master Edom: sure
[10:47] Tits: I have to focus on this now
[10:48] Master Edom: good luck with your essay
[10:49] Tits: Also my pc just lost battery
[10:49] Tits: So I am now on my phone
[10:49] Master Edom: I thought your PC was at home?
[10:51] Tits: Well laptop. I am using a laptop here and a PC at home
[10:51] Tits: I need a word procressor for my handwriting
[10:51] Master Edom: I see. Well good luck with your essay. I'm off for now