<tennisace> just know this
<Oglemi> i'm gathering people from #grammar just fyi since they've been around him more
<tennisace> if you ban him
<NatGeo> yeah oglemi
<tennisace> you will never hear the end of it
<tennisace> so if you ban him in one channel
<tennisace> you need to ban him in #ru
<tennisace> and #grammar
<Oglemi> sirn and ritter any comments on molk
<tennisace> and possibly #pokemon
<Ritter> idk
<NatGeo> banning from #pokemon is a bit harsh imo
<tennisace> i mean i said possibly
<tennisace> but still
<tennisace> i think he needs a time out
<tennisace> for like a week
<tennisace> to reflect on how much of a twat he is
<DittoCrow> he had one -.-
<Honko> he just had one
<DittoCrow> that's the problem
<tennisace> oh he did?
<tennisace> well fuck why are you debating
<tennisace> what positive qualities
<tennisace> does he bring
<sirndpt> idk, i personally don't find him as annoying as some of you seem to do
<ZEPH> lol
<tennisace> to your respective channels
<tennisace> do any of you WANT him
<tennisace> to be in your channel
<tennisace> bueller?
<tennisace> k
<tennisace> thats all i have to say
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<Eraddd> Hi
<Ritter> personally I like him he just needs to learn to let go of his anger in real life, not itc
<Ritter> Irc*
<Ritter> as in, vent himself in his room yelling or punching a pillow or whatever
<DittoCrow> i'd give him 1 more chance
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<DittoCrow> if he slips and keeps saying stupid shit, ban
<Ritter> I think itd help if he has a specific non whining goal to go too
<Oglemi> <Theorymon> also about him I can quickly say one thing
<Oglemi> <Theorymon> hes not the smartest guy out there... but he does talk a lot
<Oglemi> <Oglemi> is it good talk that he brings up
<Oglemi> <Oglemi> or just annoying
<Oglemi> <Theorymon> its hard to say since Ive only recently been back often. he can get a bit annoying but he does geinuly try to bring up RU talk
<Oglemi> <Oglemi> ok
<Oglemi> so i'll talk to aldaron about him in #pokemon
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<Ritter> like, tell him he's on the verge of a ban, if he doesn't whine for a set amout of time, take him off the about to be banned list and give him another amount of time before he MIGHT be considered for a badge
<NatGeo> sorry i dc'd
<Ritter> give him goals of not whining to achieve
<NatGeo> my internets shaky
<NatGeo> wait are we considering giving molk a badge ritter?
<Ritter> that have harsh consequences of broken
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<Ritter> no that would be like ages in the future if he reformed in like idk months
<Oglemi> pluff do you have an opinion on MoltenKyurem at all
<Jirachi> i do
<Ritter> only of he has a no whining contributing policy for however long idk
<NatGeo> also idk if this affects anything
<Jirachi> he seems extremely unstable... well-meaning but liable to fly off the handle at any moment and that makes him a bad influence on most chats he enters since if you disagree with him he gets distressed
<NatGeo> but i think he mentioned a while back that he had... add or adhd?
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<Jirachi> like i am personally ok with him but you have to tiptoe around him with stuff
<NatGeo> something like that
<RayJay> am in trouble
<Oglemi> no we're discussing molk
<Jirachi> ~the principal's office
<Oglemi> rayjay what's your opinion
<RayJay> one sec
<Jirachi> i've had to ban him from #pokemon before (he's a vop there now since we're very liberal with vops based on maturity, i wouldnt give him banning powers prolly) because he flipped out at nails from banning him from somewhere
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<Jirachi> then he evaded a few times
<NatGeo> jirachi
<DittoCrow> giving molk banning powers...
<Eraddd> Lol
<NatGeo> he was probably banned from #rarelyused the first time
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<Jirachi> i believe it was from rarelyused yeah
<Eraddd> If I may interject
<NatGeo> go ahead
<Eraddd> My opinion of him
<Andrew> ?
<RayJay> my opinion of molk is he is tough to handle but he is just another user.
<Eraddd> Is that he's a good kid, but the problems with him is that he takes things too personally
<Andrew> [21:59:47] <Oglemi> hey you should join #rumods for a sec if you're around
<Jirachi> he has a bad habit of constantly dragging ban drama from other channels / server into other places like #pokemon, and steamroll and i have asked him to stop... dunno if he's been doing it lately since i've been busy
<Eraddd> And that
<Eraddd> He's one of those people
<Jirachi> i feel like he just needs a good talking to about being oversensitive (done now sorry eraddd)
<Eraddd> Who are just naturally born troublemakers for the lack of better word
<Oglemi> andrew we're discussing moltenkyurem
<Eraddd> Jirachi I agree
<Eraddd> I've had a good talk with him
<Eraddd> A few days ago
<NatGeo> i know that feeling eraddd
<Eraddd> Telling him that he needs to stop being so negative
<Eraddd> And that he needs to stop getting so angry over every little thing
<NatGeo> if i may interject!
<Jirachi> the best way to get people to like you is to be friendly and chill, not to get upset that they don't like you, you know?
<Eraddd> Every little "snub" he perceives is a huge sin
<Eraddd> Jirachi I agree completely
<Eraddd> I've been trying to tell him that
<Andrew> he seems to be naive
<Jirachi> he wants to be liked, but he's taking it the wrong way
<Jirachi> yea
<Eraddd> Smogon isn't a place where we all hold hands
<NatGeo> if i may interject! :P
<Jirachi> good to see my appraisal isn't only mine
<Eraddd> Cutegeo
<Eraddd> Go ahead
<NatGeo> ok
<Jirachi> lol nat
<Jirachi> :3
* Jirachi pet
<NatGeo> so he's my age
<NatGeo> i know people like him irl
<NatGeo> they CAN be reformed
<RayJay> The problem with molk
<NatGeo> but it really does take a while with a lot of measures teaken
<RayJay> Is that people treat him to sporadically
<RayJay> We should not be giving him vops yet
<NatGeo> also
<NatGeo> he needs to learn that
<NatGeo> when he's trying to be good
<RayJay> He's a good user but he needs to understand playing skill does not account for maturity...
<NatGeo> some people will still criticize him
<NatGeo> he needs to not melt down when that happens
<Eraddd> rayjay you should tell that to many people heh
<RayJay> The only other problem is that people are way too tough on him still.
<DittoCrow> yeah agree with NatGeo
<Eraddd> Agreed
<Eraddd> Unforunately
<Eraddd> Easier said than done
<NatGeo> ^
<Jirachi> there have been lots of users like molk before. in fact when i was 11 (i know molk is older now) i was exactly like molk. either they get driven off smogon or they have a long period of reflection then become good users. the thing with smogon is people have long memories, but if they see over time you're making an effort to be better, they'll USUALLY forgive, the problem is that it takes awhile
<Jirachi> to prove and undo the past
<Jirachi> (sorry tl;dr)
<NatGeo> may require a ban in the short term.
<Eraddd> I can send logs of my conversation with him
<Eraddd> If we require
<Eraddd> But
<Eraddd> His lack of maturity
<Eraddd> Just prevents us from getting anywhere with him really
<NatGeo> yeah pretty much
<Eraddd> Yeah I know plenty of users who are/were like that
<Eraddd> ala was like mk back in 06 apparently
<Eraddd> But he's fine now
<NatGeo> i myself was like that at one point!
<Eraddd> Ditto
<Jirachi> badal is a good example of one, he just wasn't as unstable as molk (ie no suicide threats and stuff)
<NatGeo> albeit only for a short time
<Jirachi> he just got his ladybug
<Jirachi> lol
<Andrew> he's got a history of being too sensitive, but I don't see him accepting that, delaing with it and the consequences and moving on that often
<Oglemi> The reason i bring this up is because, if I'm going to ban him again from #rarelyused, I want it to be a pretty close to whole IRC wide ban, not just a few channels
<Jirachi> badal tried too hard to please people and got upset when they werent
<NatGeo> that seems about right
<Eraddd> I would like to ban him
<NatGeo> what im thinking is
<Eraddd> For him to get a message
<Jirachi> aldaron won't ban molk from #pokémon unless he does anything
<NatGeo> yeah ban for now
<Jirachi> becauseh e's generally a good chatter in there
<NatGeo> leave him in #pokemon
<DittoCrow> i bet telling him that would scare him and he'd either have to improve or quit
<NatGeo> just send him a friendly pm
<Jirachi> but keep him out of splinters maybe
<Eraddd> The problem with banning him
<Oglemi> i tried that dc
<Eraddd> Is that he won't take it well
<DittoCrow> last chance?
<Andrew> in #grammar though he bitches about when tennis/others ban him from #ru
<Andrew> so i have the feeling he'd do that in #pkmn
<Eraddd> Guys
<Eraddd> Also
<Eraddd> Can I say something
<Eraddd> About interacting with him
<NatGeo> sure!
<Eraddd> I've noticed
<Eraddd> That he gets really angry
<Eraddd> When people are "brash" with him or sarcastic
<Eraddd> But when you get to his level
<Eraddd> He turns out to be okay
<Eraddd> So please don't antagonize him purposefully
<Eraddd> Which I've seen people do
<DittoCrow> yeah i agree
<Eraddd> Myself included
<Eraddd> I thought he was a troll in the beginning
<NatGeo> same here unfortunately
<DittoCrow> i don't really say shit to him and i think he likes me .-.
<Eraddd> But I'm beginning to see that he has legitimate problems
<NatGeo> i mean that was only when he croseed my line
<DittoCrow> the biggest problem in #ru is luck>skill and molk rofl
<Eraddd> rofl
<NatGeo> lol
<DittoCrow> he just trashes molk all day
<NatGeo> if i may say something
<NatGeo> what I think the solution is (for now:)
<Jirachi> people who deliberately light those kinds of fuses are just as bad as the people being provokedb
<Jirachi> because they exacerbate an existing problem and sometimes create it
<NatGeo> ban from channels not named #pokemon for a time, or at least until he gets better
<Jirachi> i mean, we all do it sometimes
<Jirachi> but some people just...
<Jirachi> make it their living
<Eraddd> Lol
<NatGeo> those are real trolls!
<Eraddd> Silly pokemon players
<Eraddd> I think everyone's motto should be
<Andrew> [22:14:49] <&Oglemi> The reason i bring this up is because, if I'm going to ban him again from #rarelyused, I want it to be a pretty close to whole IRC wide ban, not just a few channels <--- bit lost on molk's current situation. is he at the level of about to be banned from most of IRC chans/ forum bans; also, what prompted this discussion to happen?
<Eraddd> It's just pokemon
<Eraddd> :P
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<Eraddd> What prompted this
<New_World_Order> oh...
<New_World_Order> interesting topic...
<Oglemi> Andrew this is an ongoing problem
<Oglemi> of over a couple months
<Andrew> and this discussion is just happening now?
<DittoCrow> i think it's just him constantly annoying other chat users with his mindless bragging and complaining
<Oglemi> yeah
<Andrew> okay
<tennisace> ok silly question
<tennisace> dittocrow is a different person
<tennisace> than ditto
<tennisace> right
<Andrew> yes
<DittoCrow> yes
<DittoCrow> lol
<tennisace> ok
<tennisace> hi im tennisace
<tennisace> nice to meet you
<Jirachi> lol
<Jirachi> oh
<DittoCrow> hi nice to meet you :) lol
<Jirachi> i thought it was ditto too sorry
<Jirachi> hi i'm jumpluff
<New_World_Order> who's jirachi?
* Jirachi shakes hand
<DittoCrow> hey
<Jirachi> :D
<New_World_Order> oh... ninja'd
<DittoCrow> :D
<Andrew> GG
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<Jirachi> ok i just worked out who molk reminds me of the most
<Jirachi> virizion
<tennisace> lol
<Jirachi> except virizion bites, molk just threatens to bite himself
<Andrew> except molk doesn't seem to bite
<tennisace> xDDDDD
<Andrew> he just seems to nibble
<New_World_Order> molk is actually intelligent pokemon wise though
<Jirachi> lol
<Eraddd> Man I don't know half these people here xd
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<Eraddd> molk is an excellent pokemon player
<Steamroll> hello!
<Jirachi> it's a personality thing, not a skill thing
<DittoCrow> yeah but he's extremely cocky about it
<New_World_Order> just lacks "street smarts" so to speak
<Eraddd> Pretty much
<Charmander> yeah molk's knowledge of pokemon and skill show us he's not retarded
<Eraddd> Street smarts
<Charmander> hes just
<Charmander> stupid
<Eraddd> Is the biggest issue
<Jirachi> their pokémon skill is irrelevant, they have the same personality issue
<Oglemi> IRC is a social setting
<Charmander> whats this discussion exactly doing
<New_World_Order> I think an intervention sort of thing
<Oglemi> not a skill setting
<New_World_Order> has been necessary
<Charmander> besides discussing moltenkyurem's traights
<Oglemi> i want a general opinion
<New_World_Order> for a long time coming
<Oglemi> on molk
<Charmander> ok
<Eraddd> Oglemi are you planning to ban him
<Eraddd> From splinters?
<DittoCrow> do i remember something about someone "coaching" molk while he was banned from #rarelyused?
<tennisace> Eraddd>
<tennisace> molk is an excellent pokemon player
<Oglemi> that's what i'm trying to garner
<tennisace> lets not go too far lol
<Oglemi> if i should bring this up
<Eraddd> tennisace he's better than most
<Oglemi> with the other channel leaders
<Eraddd> Lol
<Jirachi> honestly if he's being a problem in the channels nobody is obliged to keep him around, but ive heard people have been hesitant to ban him because well he'sunstable
<Eraddd> He's annoying in #grammar
<Eraddd> But
<Eraddd> I don't think he merits a ban
<Oglemi> that's exactly why pluff
<Eraddd> Unless he does something really out of the line
<Engineer> I agree with Eraddd
<Charmander> yeah being annoying is just kind of being annoying
<Jirachi> so if everyone did it togehter, it would probably be easier, right oglemi?
<New_World_Order> the thing is molk isn't intentionally trying to derail the chats
<Charmander> you shouldnt ban him for it
<New_World_Order> he just does it
<Oglemi> exactly pluff
<Jirachi> that doesn't matter
<Jirachi> he still has a negative effect
<Jirachi> and he's been told to fix it
<Jirachi> but he won't
<New_World_Order> because he doesn't seem to understand internet
<New_World_Order> I've talked with him before
<Oglemi> i'm going to post this log in the senior staff
<Oglemi> so everyone knows what's up
<Steamroll> kk
<New_World_Order> and learned that smogon is actually the first forum he's ever joined...
<DittoCrow> this is intense
<Eraddd> Man this is why there should be an age limit on the internet -_-
<Eraddd> Goddamn kid sthese days
* Eraddd swings his cane
<Jirachi> as long a she's a decent user in #pokemon he's welcome there, we really appreciate people going in there to discuss non-OU tiers
<Jirachi> but yea
* NatGeo young
<Jirachi> i haven't hesitated to ban him before
* Engineer hides from Eraddd
<Jirachi> i'm 18 :((
<Jirachi> i'm a grown lady now...
<DittoCrow> wasn't someone "helping" molk while he was banned from #ru
<Eraddd> Lol
<DittoCrow> like going over what not to do..?
<NatGeo> idk dittocrow
<New_World_Order> dittocrow
<NatGeo> was there?
<New_World_Order> the "help"
<DittoCrow> i kinda remember hearing about that
<sirndpt> lots of people were, dittocrow
<New_World_Order> was basically people telling him he sucked
<sirndpt> the thing is, it doesn't really stick
<New_World_Order> the thing with molk is that the more people deride him
<New_World_Order> the more he acts well... like molk
<Eraddd> ^
<DittoCrow> maybe someone who's friendly with him could help him mature?
<Andrew> maturity imo just comes with growth
<Steamroll> sad thing is no one notable is really friendly
<Andrew> give him some time
<DittoCrow> i could try maybe
<New_World_Order> molk is definitely trying to improve though
<DittoCrow> i think he likes me lul
<New_World_Order> while his methods are obviously not working
<Engineer> tbh I don't think "talk to him" is the right approach
<New_World_Order> at least he's putting in an effort
<Engineer> people have been doing that for some time, and it's obviously not working
<New_World_Order> which is more than what could be said about some other users
<Eraddd> No one can teach him maturity
<Eraddd> All we can do
<Eraddd> Is just tell him shits unacceptable
<Eraddd> And just generally be friendly towards him