Ken vs Stalin, Embrace's Judgement

Stalin Response 1
Poison Ivy Vines
	Makes a lot of them
	They go through concrete and such
	They're bullet timing
	Durable to sniper fire
	Once in play, can use narcotics to put everyone in the arena down
		Guts has no resistance
		Joseph only has venom resistance- inapplicable because it's a statement
Lady's guns good
	Guts has been stabbed
	Joe has been shot
	Dante scaling
	Explosive rounds
	Bullet timing feat with guns
	Calc- Lady does an action in 4 ms
	Guts at best blocks bullet like projectiles- so he gets splattered
	Joseph isn't bullet timing
		At best can dodge bullets within short distance, will get shot before he closes the gap
		He moved before gun fired
		Other projectiles are unscalable
		Has negative movement speed- can't reach Lady
Joseph lightning bad
	Lady dodges
	Or she tanks
Ken Response 1
Guts fast
	Calc giving Guts 3-4ms reactions for a chakram feat
Guts pierce good
	Cuts through a lot of armor
	No one has applicable resistance
Guts durable
	Resists crushing>uprooting trees
	Is fine after being slammed through pillars
	Berseker armor adds immunity to pain and boosts strength. Also regen
Infighting, and why my opponents team can't do it.
	Opponents needs to dodge ~2 meter long sword at FTE speeds. They can't
Joe fast
	Roach punch calc- .5-1.7 ms reactions
	Vaguely fast, good endurance
Joe pierce good
	Cuts through roach and stone club
	Cuts through bullet proof man
	Cuts fast relative to man raising arm
Fight overview
	Swords are cool
Stalin Response 2
Guts slow and bad
	No feat linked
	Why does chakram = world record for Frisbee
	Guts blocks "supersonic" projectiles- makes him susceptible to Lady's barrage of bullets
	Guts durability vs piercing and drugging is nil – ensures Stalin's victory
	Lady has bombs and such (I'm discounting this as a new argument Ken could reasonably not have anticipated_
Joe slow and bad
	The roach punch feat is bad
	1-3 inches is a lowball, feat should actually be .14ms- so it's OOT- should be disregarded
Infighting isn't relevant
Ivy is good at infighting- Batman feat, not main point tho
	In character, my characters don't infight
		Lady shoots
		Ivy does vine shit
	Joe only has speed relevance in bursts- can't cover the distance
	No feats for dodge/blocking mid burst – gets shot
Ivy garden
	Ivy makes a garden fast
	That drugs the opponents
	The garden is large
	Lady shoots with super bullets in the meanwhile
Fight overview
	You never reach my team while I shower you with bullets, vines, and toxins

Ken Response 2
Guts Fast
	Chakram feat actually linked
	The thrower is superhuman
	3.65ms
	Guts has good running speed
	An elf is a man who can point their ears from a humanoid form, and therefore have above human running speed. If Guts can outrun a group of elves before they can reach them, Guts striding slightly above 45 kmph would mean the elf has a running speed of 45kmph, which should be fairly accurate
 	Guts engages with the enemy team in under a second
Guts strong
	Guts cutting still good
	FTE cutting
	So Lady and Ivy die
Joe fast
	Roach feats again
	Calc that indicates he reaches Lady and Ivy under 100 ms – he moves at 330-500 fps
Joe strong
	He cuts good still
Rebuttals
Garden win con bad
	Takes "couple of seconds"
	My team engages in less than a second, Joe engages in less than 100 ms
	Full suit of vine doesn't matter
	Vine movement is unquantifiable
	My characters have "moving fast speeds"
	Schierke nullifies mind control
	Statements doesn't matter, that's a shit ton of venom
	Ivy is slow, and my team is immune
Lady win con bad
	It misses
	4 ms reaction time is on par w/ Guts, 4 times slower than Joe
	Rosaine feat isn't Gut's best feat
	Don't care about the aim dodging debunk, he has other feats
	Lady cannot shoot a gun that surpasses my character's reactions unless they're in sword range
	Roach punch indicates movement for Joe
	Dodging lightning is fake or OOT
Pre rebuttals
	Ironing out Ken for missing the chakram feat is rules lawyering
	Chakrams are more aerodymanimc than Frisbees, and the dude is superhuman
	"No piercing resistance" it misses
	Ivy and Lady are offensively slow
	Roach punch scales to movement speed
	Feats > statements
	Need to be in range of my characters to shoot them
Judgement
>!Stalin wins!<. While this round was fairly well debated on both sides, I believe that Stalin's team is able to win because Lady can shoots meme strong bullets in a quick time frame, and in character Guts and Joseph will try to block which will kill them.

Some thoughts for Ken
* I think you generally debate well on various particular points like Joseph's speed or Ivy sucking. I think the main issue that you could improve on is focusing on the larger picture. There's a bit too much quote and response on stuff that doesn't ultimately matter, that Stalin is allowed to get away with saying his character shoots and pierces your character. Being tighter and having some defensive points on Stalin's win con could've turned this debate around
* Double check I guess for missing scans

Some thoughts for Stalin
* Ken was right on quantifying your characters speed, especially for Ivy. You did enough of it for Lady's shooting that you were able to win, but it would be useful for be more concretely defined with your numbers in future rounds
* If you're going to call someone OOT, just do an outright OOT request
* ~~Imperial units suck all my homies hate imperial units~~