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- Hillary Clinton Snaps At Trey Gowdy & Gets Shutdown
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LiZGUb-a-M
- Published on 30 Jan 2017
- Hillary Clinton Snaps at King Gowdy and Gets The Gowdy Hammer
- Transcript
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- can help but think when he was using the
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- twenty million dollar figure that's
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- that's two more Isis fighters that we
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- could have paid for I refuse to put a
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- price tag on the lives of four Americans
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- I don't think your figure 20 million is
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- wrong mr. Cummings and that's not what
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- the State Department told us but I don't
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- care what the figure is there is no
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- price tag when it comes to justice for
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- people who gave their lives for this
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- country madam secretary with respect to
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- the ARB I want I want to ask you this if
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- you were investigating Benghazi or what
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- happened in Benghazi and there was an
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- author of an email three months to the
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- day three months to the day from when
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- our four fellow Americans were killed
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- the author of the email says
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- anti-american demonstration looking for
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- Americans to attack GameChanger soft
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- target no continuity the cost to
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- continue to do business there may become
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- challenging would you want to talk to
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- the author of that email if you were
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- investigating Benghazi the
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- accountability Review Board had full run
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- of the State Department to talk to
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- anyone they chose to talk to it's my
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- understanding they conducted more than
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- 100 interviews I and they were well
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- aware as their report reflects I don't
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- want I don't want through a situation in
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- Libya I don't want to interrupt you that
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- actually was not my question my question
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- is would you want to talk to that person
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- not whether or not the ARB did because
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- the ARB actually did talk to that person
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- my question is wouldn't you want to talk
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- to that person if you were investigating
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- Benghazi
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- it's a promise it is not a trick
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- question the answer is yes you would
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- want to talk to the person who authored
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- that email and as you just said mr.
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- chairman the ARB did yes and the
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- co-chair the ARB called your chief of
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- staff and told the author of that email
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- not to go to Congress that's my point
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- my point is the ARB did some good things
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- that's why our first two hearings were
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- on making sure the recommendations by
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- the ARB were actually implemented but
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- when the author of that
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- mail is going to be brought before
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- Congress and one of the co-chairs cause
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- your chief of staff
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- and says I don't think that that witness
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- is going to be a good witness Madam
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- Secretary with all due respect she's a
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- fact witness whether she's good or bad
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- the author of that email has a right for
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- Congress to it to question them I mean
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- that's not even a close question so
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- somebody can be a good person and I have
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- no doubt that mr. Mullin and mr.
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- Pickering both are but but this is also
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- what I don't doubt I don't doubt that
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- that phone call was made to miss Mills
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- saying don't send Charlene lamb before
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- Congress she's not going to make a good
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- witness and I don't doubt that there's
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- not a transcript from any of the ARB
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- interviews and you may say well why does
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- that matter if you're going to write a
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- report and you want to write a report
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- with specificity and particularity you
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- have to cite the transcript and I can't
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- tell you a single question that was
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- asked of a single ARB witness because
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- there is no transcript so so my point is
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- not that the ARB did a bad job or a good
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- job my point is from the series from the
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- standpoint of a serious investigation it
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- was an inadequate job and and I want to
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- hopefully prove that too you know there
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- used to be a stack up there when mr.
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- Smith was with us about all the previous
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- investigations that that Congress and
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- the ARB had done did any of those
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- previous congressional investigations or
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- the ARB have access to your emails mr.
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- chairman first of all the witness you
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- were referring to
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- did appear before Congress I was not my
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- point ma elbow your implication was that
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- that witness was stopped from going to
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- Connally no that did not happen
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- no no she definitely came no that wasn't
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- that's not my implication my implication
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- is the co-chair of what you call an
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- independent accountability Review Board
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- was calling someone he was supposed to
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- be investigating to say please don't
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- send out witness to Congress they're not
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- going to show up well that's my point my
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- point is how can you consider that to be
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- me well you ever heard of a never heard
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- of a judge calling the
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- no attorney and say don't airman don't
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- call that witness I really don't care
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- what you all say about me it doesn't
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- bother me a bit I do care a lot about
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- what you're implying about Admiral
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- Mullen and I will not sit here and hear
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- that well Admiral Mullen well of this
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- country with great distinction he served
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- the State Department with great
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- distinction in being the co-chair of the
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- accountability Review Board and I think
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- his work speaks for itself well and I'm
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- sorry network I'm sorry that the
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- important work that was done by that
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- board is held in such low regard by some
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- members of this committee and I deeply
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- regret it are you doubting that he
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- placed the phone call is that as I
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- pronounce the phone call I do because he
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- testified before another congressional
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- committee he admits it was a mistake
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- Madam Secretary I don't know why you
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- can't well he admits it was a mistake to
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- call and say don't send a fact witness
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- before a congressional committee well I
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- think that doesn't mean he's a bad
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- person it just means that when you hold
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- up the ARB as as independent and and
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- your chief of staff pick close to the
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- folks on it Patrick Kennedy how to roll
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- in picking some of the folks on the ARB
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- despite the fact that some people think
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- Patrick Kennedy may have also been
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- involved in approving or not approving
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- if you need to read a note from your
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- lawyer you're welcome to Madam Secretary
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- no it's um it's just hard to sit here
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- listening to the comments you're making
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- about someone that I consider to be a
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- great American if he said he made a
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- mistake that's even more proof of what a
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- fine gentleman he is and what a great
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- public servant he's been it doesn't in
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- any way what you're saying impune his
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- service for 40 years and certainly not
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- his service and the accountability
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- Review Board I can't help it mr.
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- chairman that you all don't like the
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- findings of the accountability Review
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- and OPM elders that you don't like the
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- five heads of all the other irrational
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- committees we had two hearings where we
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- did nothing but discuss the
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- implementation of the ARB findings Madam
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- Secretary so with all due respect we've
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- had more hearings about ARB findings
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- than we have with you so so so don't
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- tell
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- me that we don't care about the ARB we
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- had two hearings my point is this the
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- ARB nor the previous congressional
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- investigations had access to your emails
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- did they I don't know what they had
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- access to I know that during the time I
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- was at the State Department there was
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- certainly a great effort to respond to
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- your predecessor congressman ices
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- inquiries and many thousands of pages of
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- information was conveyed to the Congress
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- and I know that the State Department has
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- worked diligently and persistently to
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- try to respond to the many requests that
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- it has received and I think that given
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- the pressure and and stress of business
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- they've been under they have you know
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- performed as well as they could so you
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- will be getting and in fact the entire
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- world will be getting all of my emails
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- because they're all going to be public
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- and you will be able to read them along
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- with everybody else Madam Secretary that
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- actually was not my question my question
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- was whether or not the previous
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- congressional committees and ARB had
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- access to your emails that was my
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- question 90 to 95% of my work-related
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- emails were in the state system if they
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- wanted to see them they would certainly
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- have been able to know well that that is
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- that is maybe the tenth time you have
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- cited that figure today it is and I have
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- not heard anyone other than you ever
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- cite that figure who told you that 90 to
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- 95 percent of your emails were on the
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- state were in the State Department
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- system who told you that we learned that
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- from the State Department and their
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- analysis of the the emails that were
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- already on the system we were trying to
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- help them close some gaps that they had
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- and generally cannot provide me with a
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- name because when I asked the State
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- Department about 10 days ago what's the
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- source of that figure
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- they shrugged their shoulders well you
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- can look for the state gov and they
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- certainly pop up right and they're
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- Specter general report madam secretary
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- the Inspector General report which you
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- can't argue by perfect
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- as you but you can certainly extrapolate
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- the inspector general report found that
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- less than 1% less than 1% of State
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- Department emails record emails or
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- captured so they give a number of less
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- than 1% and you give a number of 90%
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- well I don't know what you're referring
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- to I can only speak about my emails my
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- work-related emails well let's talk
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- about your work-related emails we asked
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- for them last year and the State
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- Department gave us 8 if they had 90% of
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- yours why did we only get 8 well I don't
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- know initially what you asked for but I
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- know that they tried to be responsive 90
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- to 95 percent of them were on state gov
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- I understand that the committee
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- broadened the scope of their requests
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- and I think that in response the State
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- Department has been trying to provide
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- what you have requested in the meantime
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- they're going through the process of
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- making all of my emails public you think
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- our first request there were only eight
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- emails responsive to our first request I
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- can't speak to it I believe your first
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- request was for Benghazi and I believe
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- that the State Department did a diligent
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- search and I believe you expanded it to
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- Libya and weapons and maybe a few other
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- terms and I believe they are your
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- circular hasn't hasn't grown Madam
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- Secretary our jurisdiction is the same
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- thing it was let me ask you this you say
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- that you turned over everything I don't
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- get a chance to watch you a lot on
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- television but when I see your you are
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- interviewed you make a point of saying I
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- turned over everything all my
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- work-related emails how do you know that
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- I know that's because there was a an
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- exhaustive search done under the
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- supervision of my attorneys and that is
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- exactly the outcome we turned over every
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- work-related email in fact as somebody
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- referred to earlier we turned over to
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- many in the State Department and the
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- National Archives said there are 1246
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- out of the 30,000 plus that they've
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- already determined did not need to be
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- turned over and you have a really
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- immense good group of attorneys which
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- makes me one
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- how they missed 15 of them well if
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- you're talking about mr. Blumenthal
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- which I assume you are he had some that
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- I didn't have and I had some that he
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- didn't have and he I was under no
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- obligation to make any of his emails
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- available unless I decided they were
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- work-related and the ones that I decided
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- that were work related I forwarded to
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- the state.gov accounts of the people
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- with whom I worked item secretaries in
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- any question that the 15 that James Cole
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- turned over to us were work-related
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- there was no ambiguity about that they
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- were related they were from a personal
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- friend not any official government not
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- any government official and they were I
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- determined on the basis of looking at
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- them what I thought was work-related and
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- what wasn't and some I didn't even have
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- time to read mr. Schulman are you
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- telling regular Cordain are you telling
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- me that the 15 I will tell the
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- gentlelady from California that I'm
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- going to take a little bit extra time
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- just like everybody else has and we can
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- either do it this round we can either do
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- it this round we can do it next round
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- and make an in a simple inquiry about
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- how many more minutes the Chairman um
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- the fewer the interruptions the quicker
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- I'll get done I'll put it to you that
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- way how's that
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- I'm just the fit - my question to you on
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- the 15 is did you all your spine them
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- and decide that they weren't
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- work-related or did they not find them
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- well I I don't know why he had emails I
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- didn't and I don't know why apparently I
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- had emails he didn't and all I can tell
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- you is that I turned over every
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- work-related email in my possession all
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- right I'm will make two more
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- observations in anything we're going to
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- we're going to call it a night
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- the first observation that I would make
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- is that when you speak to the public you
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- say I turned over everything that's for
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- the most part of direct quote when you
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- talk to the public you say I turned over
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- everything when you talk to the court
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- you say while I do not know what
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- information may be responsive for
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- purposes of this lawsuit I have directed
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- that all my emails on Clinton email
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- calm and my custody that were or
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- potentially were federal records be
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- provided to the Department of State and
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- on information to believe that was done
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- why the different explanation depending
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- on who you're talking to
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- well one is a shorthand mr. chairman
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- well why not just tell the court I'll
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- turn over everything well you know how
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- lawyers are they use more words perhaps
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- than they need trust me I know that and
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- they charge you for every one of them
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- I'm well aware of that mr. chairman and
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- and the clock is ticking well one more
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- one more and up and I'll pay mr.
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- Kendall's fee for last quick I don't
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- want to do that miss you're careful I
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- probably can't do it you see my point
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- though you're very definitive when
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- you're talking to the American people
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- that you turned over everything that's
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- right but but there are those kind of
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- lawyerly fudge words when you're talking
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- to court on information and belief well
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- and the reality is even tonight you
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- cannot tell us that you turned over
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- everything because you didn't think you
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- missed the 15 well I didn't have them I
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- turned over everything I had everything
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- I had which meant overs those who had
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- somehow missed those 15 well last
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- question on your system mr. cummings
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- said that your email arrangement was
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- inappropriate I think the president may
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- have said it was a mistake you have said
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- that it was a mistake my question to you
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- madam secretary is was it a mistake for
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- the four years that you had that email
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- arrangement was it a mistake for the
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- almost two years that you kept the
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- public record to yourself or has it
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- manifest itself as a mistake in just the
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- last six months
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- well since I believed that all of my
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- work-related emails to.gov
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- accounts were being captured and
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- preserved it wasn't until I was asked to
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- help the State Department to fill in
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- what they saw as some record-keeping
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- gaps not just with me but with others I
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- did the best I could during those four
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- years and thought that everything that I
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- was emailing
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- that was work-related was being
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- preserved if you can find the source for
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- the 90 to 95 percent I would be I would
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- be grateful for it and we would probably
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- have fewer questions if there is a
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- source that you can provide that 90 to
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- 95 percent we're on the State Department
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- system then I'll know that I need to ask
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- the State Department what took them so
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- long because I'm just telling you my
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- time secretary I got eight emails the
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- first time I asked
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- and now I've got over 1,500 so there's
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- some disconnect there well mr. chairman
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- I think that is a fair question and I'm
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- not at the State Department any longer
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- but I do want to defend them they are
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- under the most extraordinary pressure to
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- answer congressional inquiries I saw a
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- figure recently that FOIA requests have
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- jumped something like 300 percent they
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- don't have the resources they don't have
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- the personnel they take their
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- responsibility of reading every single
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- line and as ranking member Cummings
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- reminded us having to redact personal
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- information personnel information
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- obviously they take it very seriously I
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- think they're doing the best they can
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- and I I know that they've tried to be
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- responsive to you and to the many other
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- requests that have come their way
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- a lot of secretarial mapping
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- [Music]
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