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  1. Hillary Clinton Snaps At Trey Gowdy & Gets Shutdown
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  3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LiZGUb-a-M
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  5. Published on 30 Jan 2017
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  7. Hillary Clinton Snaps at King Gowdy and Gets The Gowdy Hammer
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  9. Transcript
  10. 0:00
  11. can help but think when he was using the
  12. 0:01
  13. twenty million dollar figure that's
  14. 0:03
  15. that's two more Isis fighters that we
  16. 0:05
  17. could have paid for I refuse to put a
  18. 0:08
  19. price tag on the lives of four Americans
  20. 0:11
  21. I don't think your figure 20 million is
  22. 0:13
  23. wrong mr. Cummings and that's not what
  24. 0:14
  25. the State Department told us but I don't
  26. 0:17
  27. care what the figure is there is no
  28. 0:18
  29. price tag when it comes to justice for
  30. 0:21
  31. people who gave their lives for this
  32. 0:23
  33. country madam secretary with respect to
  34. 0:26
  35. the ARB I want I want to ask you this if
  36. 0:28
  37. you were investigating Benghazi or what
  38. 0:32
  39. happened in Benghazi and there was an
  40. 0:34
  41. author of an email three months to the
  42. 0:37
  43. day three months to the day from when
  44. 0:39
  45. our four fellow Americans were killed
  46. 0:41
  47. the author of the email says
  48. 0:44
  49. anti-american demonstration looking for
  50. 0:47
  51. Americans to attack GameChanger soft
  52. 0:49
  53. target no continuity the cost to
  54. 0:52
  55. continue to do business there may become
  56. 0:54
  57. challenging would you want to talk to
  58. 0:57
  59. the author of that email if you were
  60. 1:00
  61. investigating Benghazi the
  62. 1:05
  63. accountability Review Board had full run
  64. 1:09
  65. of the State Department to talk to
  66. 1:11
  67. anyone they chose to talk to it's my
  68. 1:14
  69. understanding they conducted more than
  70. 1:15
  71. 100 interviews I and they were well
  72. 1:19
  73. aware as their report reflects I don't
  74. 1:22
  75. want I don't want through a situation in
  76. 1:24
  77. Libya I don't want to interrupt you that
  78. 1:26
  79. actually was not my question my question
  80. 1:27
  81. is would you want to talk to that person
  82. 1:30
  83. not whether or not the ARB did because
  84. 1:33
  85. the ARB actually did talk to that person
  86. 1:35
  87. my question is wouldn't you want to talk
  88. 1:38
  89. to that person if you were investigating
  90. 1:39
  91. Benghazi
  92. 1:41
  93. it's a promise it is not a trick
  94. 1:43
  95. question the answer is yes you would
  96. 1:44
  97. want to talk to the person who authored
  98. 1:47
  99. that email and as you just said mr.
  100. 1:50
  101. chairman the ARB did yes and the
  102. 1:52
  103. co-chair the ARB called your chief of
  104. 1:54
  105. staff and told the author of that email
  106. 1:56
  107. not to go to Congress that's my point
  108. 2:00
  109. my point is the ARB did some good things
  110. 2:03
  111. that's why our first two hearings were
  112. 2:06
  113. on making sure the recommendations by
  114. 2:09
  115. the ARB were actually implemented but
  116. 2:12
  117. when the author of that
  118. 2:13
  119. mail is going to be brought before
  120. 2:15
  121. Congress and one of the co-chairs cause
  122. 2:18
  123. your chief of staff
  124. 2:19
  125. and says I don't think that that witness
  126. 2:21
  127. is going to be a good witness Madam
  128. 2:24
  129. Secretary with all due respect she's a
  130. 2:27
  131. fact witness whether she's good or bad
  132. 2:29
  133. the author of that email has a right for
  134. 2:32
  135. Congress to it to question them I mean
  136. 2:36
  137. that's not even a close question so
  138. 2:38
  139. somebody can be a good person and I have
  140. 2:41
  141. no doubt that mr. Mullin and mr.
  142. 2:43
  143. Pickering both are but but this is also
  144. 2:46
  145. what I don't doubt I don't doubt that
  146. 2:48
  147. that phone call was made to miss Mills
  148. 2:50
  149. saying don't send Charlene lamb before
  150. 2:52
  151. Congress she's not going to make a good
  152. 2:54
  153. witness and I don't doubt that there's
  154. 2:56
  155. not a transcript from any of the ARB
  156. 2:58
  157. interviews and you may say well why does
  158. 3:00
  159. that matter if you're going to write a
  160. 3:02
  161. report and you want to write a report
  162. 3:04
  163. with specificity and particularity you
  164. 3:06
  165. have to cite the transcript and I can't
  166. 3:09
  167. tell you a single question that was
  168. 3:10
  169. asked of a single ARB witness because
  170. 3:13
  171. there is no transcript so so my point is
  172. 3:16
  173. not that the ARB did a bad job or a good
  174. 3:19
  175. job my point is from the series from the
  176. 3:21
  177. standpoint of a serious investigation it
  178. 3:23
  179. was an inadequate job and and I want to
  180. 3:28
  181. hopefully prove that too you know there
  182. 3:30
  183. used to be a stack up there when mr.
  184. 3:32
  185. Smith was with us about all the previous
  186. 3:34
  187. investigations that that Congress and
  188. 3:37
  189. the ARB had done did any of those
  190. 3:39
  191. previous congressional investigations or
  192. 3:41
  193. the ARB have access to your emails mr.
  194. 3:46
  195. chairman first of all the witness you
  196. 3:49
  197. were referring to
  198. 3:50
  199. did appear before Congress I was not my
  200. 3:52
  201. point ma elbow your implication was that
  202. 3:55
  203. that witness was stopped from going to
  204. 3:57
  205. Connally no that did not happen
  206. 3:59
  207. no no she definitely came no that wasn't
  208. 4:01
  209. that's not my implication my implication
  210. 4:04
  211. is the co-chair of what you call an
  212. 4:07
  213. independent accountability Review Board
  214. 4:09
  215. was calling someone he was supposed to
  216. 4:12
  217. be investigating to say please don't
  218. 4:14
  219. send out witness to Congress they're not
  220. 4:17
  221. going to show up well that's my point my
  222. 4:21
  223. point is how can you consider that to be
  224. 4:23
  225. me well you ever heard of a never heard
  226. 4:25
  227. of a judge calling the
  228. 4:26
  229. no attorney and say don't airman don't
  230. 4:29
  231. call that witness I really don't care
  232. 4:31
  233. what you all say about me it doesn't
  234. 4:32
  235. bother me a bit I do care a lot about
  236. 4:34
  237. what you're implying about Admiral
  238. 4:35
  239. Mullen and I will not sit here and hear
  240. 4:37
  241. that well Admiral Mullen well of this
  242. 4:39
  243. country with great distinction he served
  244. 4:42
  245. the State Department with great
  246. 4:44
  247. distinction in being the co-chair of the
  248. 4:47
  249. accountability Review Board and I think
  250. 4:49
  251. his work speaks for itself well and I'm
  252. 4:51
  253. sorry network I'm sorry that the
  254. 4:54
  255. important work that was done by that
  256. 4:57
  257. board is held in such low regard by some
  258. 5:00
  259. members of this committee and I deeply
  260. 5:02
  261. regret it are you doubting that he
  262. 5:04
  263. placed the phone call is that as I
  264. 5:06
  265. pronounce the phone call I do because he
  266. 5:08
  267. testified before another congressional
  268. 5:10
  269. committee he admits it was a mistake
  270. 5:12
  271. Madam Secretary I don't know why you
  272. 5:14
  273. can't well he admits it was a mistake to
  274. 5:17
  275. call and say don't send a fact witness
  276. 5:20
  277. before a congressional committee well I
  278. 5:22
  279. think that doesn't mean he's a bad
  280. 5:23
  281. person it just means that when you hold
  282. 5:26
  283. up the ARB as as independent and and
  284. 5:30
  285. your chief of staff pick close to the
  286. 5:33
  287. folks on it Patrick Kennedy how to roll
  288. 5:35
  289. in picking some of the folks on the ARB
  290. 5:38
  291. despite the fact that some people think
  292. 5:40
  293. Patrick Kennedy may have also been
  294. 5:42
  295. involved in approving or not approving
  296. 5:43
  297. if you need to read a note from your
  298. 5:45
  299. lawyer you're welcome to Madam Secretary
  300. 5:47
  301. no it's um it's just hard to sit here
  302. 5:51
  303. listening to the comments you're making
  304. 5:54
  305. about someone that I consider to be a
  306. 5:56
  307. great American if he said he made a
  308. 5:59
  309. mistake that's even more proof of what a
  310. 6:02
  311. fine gentleman he is and what a great
  312. 6:04
  313. public servant he's been it doesn't in
  314. 6:08
  315. any way what you're saying impune his
  316. 6:10
  317. service for 40 years and certainly not
  318. 6:13
  319. his service and the accountability
  320. 6:14
  321. Review Board I can't help it mr.
  322. 6:16
  323. chairman that you all don't like the
  324. 6:19
  325. findings of the accountability Review
  326. 6:21
  327. and OPM elders that you don't like the
  328. 6:24
  329. five heads of all the other irrational
  330. 6:26
  331. committees we had two hearings where we
  332. 6:28
  333. did nothing but discuss the
  334. 6:30
  335. implementation of the ARB findings Madam
  336. 6:33
  337. Secretary so with all due respect we've
  338. 6:35
  339. had more hearings about ARB findings
  340. 6:37
  341. than we have with you so so so don't
  342. 6:40
  343. tell
  344. 6:40
  345. me that we don't care about the ARB we
  346. 6:44
  347. had two hearings my point is this the
  348. 6:47
  349. ARB nor the previous congressional
  350. 6:50
  351. investigations had access to your emails
  352. 6:52
  353. did they I don't know what they had
  354. 7:01
  355. access to I know that during the time I
  356. 7:03
  357. was at the State Department there was
  358. 7:06
  359. certainly a great effort to respond to
  360. 7:08
  361. your predecessor congressman ices
  362. 7:11
  363. inquiries and many thousands of pages of
  364. 7:15
  365. information was conveyed to the Congress
  366. 7:17
  367. and I know that the State Department has
  368. 7:20
  369. worked diligently and persistently to
  370. 7:22
  371. try to respond to the many requests that
  372. 7:25
  373. it has received and I think that given
  374. 7:30
  375. the pressure and and stress of business
  376. 7:32
  377. they've been under they have you know
  378. 7:35
  379. performed as well as they could so you
  380. 7:37
  381. will be getting and in fact the entire
  382. 7:39
  383. world will be getting all of my emails
  384. 7:42
  385. because they're all going to be public
  386. 7:44
  387. and you will be able to read them along
  388. 7:46
  389. with everybody else Madam Secretary that
  390. 7:48
  391. actually was not my question my question
  392. 7:49
  393. was whether or not the previous
  394. 7:53
  395. congressional committees and ARB had
  396. 7:55
  397. access to your emails that was my
  398. 7:57
  399. question 90 to 95% of my work-related
  400. 8:00
  401. emails were in the state system if they
  402. 8:03
  403. wanted to see them they would certainly
  404. 8:05
  405. have been able to know well that that is
  406. 8:07
  407. that is maybe the tenth time you have
  408. 8:09
  409. cited that figure today it is and I have
  410. 8:11
  411. not heard anyone other than you ever
  412. 8:13
  413. cite that figure who told you that 90 to
  414. 8:16
  415. 95 percent of your emails were on the
  416. 8:18
  417. state were in the State Department
  418. 8:19
  419. system who told you that we learned that
  420. 8:22
  421. from the State Department and their
  422. 8:24
  423. analysis of the the emails that were
  424. 8:26
  425. already on the system we were trying to
  426. 8:28
  427. help them close some gaps that they had
  428. 8:31
  429. and generally cannot provide me with a
  430. 8:33
  431. name because when I asked the State
  432. 8:35
  433. Department about 10 days ago what's the
  434. 8:37
  435. source of that figure
  436. 8:38
  437. they shrugged their shoulders well you
  438. 8:41
  439. can look for the state gov and they
  440. 8:45
  441. certainly pop up right and they're
  442. 8:47
  443. Specter general report madam secretary
  444. 8:49
  445. the Inspector General report which you
  446. 8:51
  447. can't argue by perfect
  448. 8:53
  449. as you but you can certainly extrapolate
  450. 8:55
  451. the inspector general report found that
  452. 8:57
  453. less than 1% less than 1% of State
  454. 9:01
  455. Department emails record emails or
  456. 9:04
  457. captured so they give a number of less
  458. 9:07
  459. than 1% and you give a number of 90%
  460. 9:10
  461. well I don't know what you're referring
  462. 9:12
  463. to I can only speak about my emails my
  464. 9:15
  465. work-related emails well let's talk
  466. 9:17
  467. about your work-related emails we asked
  468. 9:19
  469. for them last year and the State
  470. 9:22
  471. Department gave us 8 if they had 90% of
  472. 9:26
  473. yours why did we only get 8 well I don't
  474. 9:29
  475. know initially what you asked for but I
  476. 9:32
  477. know that they tried to be responsive 90
  478. 9:35
  479. to 95 percent of them were on state gov
  480. 9:38
  481. I understand that the committee
  482. 9:41
  483. broadened the scope of their requests
  484. 9:44
  485. and I think that in response the State
  486. 9:46
  487. Department has been trying to provide
  488. 9:48
  489. what you have requested in the meantime
  490. 9:50
  491. they're going through the process of
  492. 9:52
  493. making all of my emails public you think
  494. 9:55
  495. our first request there were only eight
  496. 9:57
  497. emails responsive to our first request I
  498. 9:59
  499. can't speak to it I believe your first
  500. 10:02
  501. request was for Benghazi and I believe
  502. 10:04
  503. that the State Department did a diligent
  504. 10:06
  505. search and I believe you expanded it to
  506. 10:08
  507. Libya and weapons and maybe a few other
  508. 10:10
  509. terms and I believe they are your
  510. 10:12
  511. circular hasn't hasn't grown Madam
  512. 10:15
  513. Secretary our jurisdiction is the same
  514. 10:16
  515. thing it was let me ask you this you say
  516. 10:19
  517. that you turned over everything I don't
  518. 10:23
  519. get a chance to watch you a lot on
  520. 10:25
  521. television but when I see your you are
  522. 10:27
  523. interviewed you make a point of saying I
  524. 10:30
  525. turned over everything all my
  526. 10:33
  527. work-related emails how do you know that
  528. 10:34
  529. I know that's because there was a an
  530. 10:38
  531. exhaustive search done under the
  532. 10:41
  533. supervision of my attorneys and that is
  534. 10:45
  535. exactly the outcome we turned over every
  536. 10:48
  537. work-related email in fact as somebody
  538. 10:51
  539. referred to earlier we turned over to
  540. 10:53
  541. many in the State Department and the
  542. 10:55
  543. National Archives said there are 1246
  544. 10:57
  545. out of the 30,000 plus that they've
  546. 10:59
  547. already determined did not need to be
  548. 11:02
  549. turned over and you have a really
  550. 11:03
  551. immense good group of attorneys which
  552. 11:06
  553. makes me one
  554. 11:07
  555. how they missed 15 of them well if
  556. 11:10
  557. you're talking about mr. Blumenthal
  558. 11:12
  559. which I assume you are he had some that
  560. 11:15
  561. I didn't have and I had some that he
  562. 11:17
  563. didn't have and he I was under no
  564. 11:19
  565. obligation to make any of his emails
  566. 11:21
  567. available unless I decided they were
  568. 11:24
  569. work-related and the ones that I decided
  570. 11:27
  571. that were work related I forwarded to
  572. 11:29
  573. the state.gov accounts of the people
  574. 11:32
  575. with whom I worked item secretaries in
  576. 11:34
  577. any question that the 15 that James Cole
  578. 11:37
  579. turned over to us were work-related
  580. 11:38
  581. there was no ambiguity about that they
  582. 11:41
  583. were related they were from a personal
  584. 11:45
  585. friend not any official government not
  586. 11:49
  587. any government official and they were I
  588. 11:52
  589. determined on the basis of looking at
  590. 11:54
  591. them what I thought was work-related and
  592. 11:56
  593. what wasn't and some I didn't even have
  594. 11:58
  595. time to read mr. Schulman are you
  596. 12:00
  597. telling regular Cordain are you telling
  598. 12:03
  599. me that the 15 I will tell the
  600. 12:08
  601. gentlelady from California that I'm
  602. 12:09
  603. going to take a little bit extra time
  604. 12:12
  605. just like everybody else has and we can
  606. 12:14
  607. either do it this round we can either do
  608. 12:15
  609. it this round we can do it next round
  610. 12:17
  611. and make an in a simple inquiry about
  612. 12:19
  613. how many more minutes the Chairman um
  614. 12:22
  615. the fewer the interruptions the quicker
  616. 12:23
  617. I'll get done I'll put it to you that
  618. 12:25
  619. way how's that
  620. 12:26
  621. I'm just the fit - my question to you on
  622. 12:29
  623. the 15 is did you all your spine them
  624. 12:31
  625. and decide that they weren't
  626. 12:32
  627. work-related or did they not find them
  628. 12:35
  629. well I I don't know why he had emails I
  630. 12:38
  631. didn't and I don't know why apparently I
  632. 12:40
  633. had emails he didn't and all I can tell
  634. 12:43
  635. you is that I turned over every
  636. 12:45
  637. work-related email in my possession all
  638. 12:49
  639. right I'm will make two more
  640. 12:50
  641. observations in anything we're going to
  642. 12:52
  643. we're going to call it a night
  644. 12:54
  645. the first observation that I would make
  646. 12:57
  647. is that when you speak to the public you
  648. 13:00
  649. say I turned over everything that's for
  650. 13:05
  651. the most part of direct quote when you
  652. 13:07
  653. talk to the public you say I turned over
  654. 13:09
  655. everything when you talk to the court
  656. 13:12
  657. you say while I do not know what
  658. 13:15
  659. information may be responsive for
  660. 13:17
  661. purposes of this lawsuit I have directed
  662. 13:19
  663. that all my emails on Clinton email
  664. 13:21
  665. calm and my custody that were or
  666. 13:22
  667. potentially were federal records be
  668. 13:25
  669. provided to the Department of State and
  670. 13:26
  671. on information to believe that was done
  672. 13:28
  673. why the different explanation depending
  674. 13:31
  675. on who you're talking to
  676. 13:32
  677. well one is a shorthand mr. chairman
  678. 13:34
  679. well why not just tell the court I'll
  680. 13:37
  681. turn over everything well you know how
  682. 13:39
  683. lawyers are they use more words perhaps
  684. 13:40
  685. than they need trust me I know that and
  686. 13:43
  687. they charge you for every one of them
  688. 13:45
  689. I'm well aware of that mr. chairman and
  690. 13:47
  691. and the clock is ticking well one more
  692. 13:52
  693. one more and up and I'll pay mr.
  694. 13:55
  695. Kendall's fee for last quick I don't
  696. 13:57
  697. want to do that miss you're careful I
  698. 13:59
  699. probably can't do it you see my point
  700. 14:02
  701. though you're very definitive when
  702. 14:03
  703. you're talking to the American people
  704. 14:05
  705. that you turned over everything that's
  706. 14:06
  707. right but but there are those kind of
  708. 14:09
  709. lawyerly fudge words when you're talking
  710. 14:11
  711. to court on information and belief well
  712. 14:14
  713. and the reality is even tonight you
  714. 14:15
  715. cannot tell us that you turned over
  716. 14:17
  717. everything because you didn't think you
  718. 14:19
  719. missed the 15 well I didn't have them I
  720. 14:22
  721. turned over everything I had everything
  722. 14:25
  723. I had which meant overs those who had
  724. 14:29
  725. somehow missed those 15 well last
  726. 14:33
  727. question on your system mr. cummings
  728. 14:36
  729. said that your email arrangement was
  730. 14:39
  731. inappropriate I think the president may
  732. 14:43
  733. have said it was a mistake you have said
  734. 14:47
  735. that it was a mistake my question to you
  736. 14:50
  737. madam secretary is was it a mistake for
  738. 14:54
  739. the four years that you had that email
  740. 14:56
  741. arrangement was it a mistake for the
  742. 14:59
  743. almost two years that you kept the
  744. 15:01
  745. public record to yourself or has it
  746. 15:04
  747. manifest itself as a mistake in just the
  748. 15:06
  749. last six months
  750. 15:08
  751. well since I believed that all of my
  752. 15:11
  753. work-related emails to.gov
  754. 15:13
  755. accounts were being captured and
  756. 15:16
  757. preserved it wasn't until I was asked to
  758. 15:19
  759. help the State Department to fill in
  760. 15:21
  761. what they saw as some record-keeping
  762. 15:24
  763. gaps not just with me but with others I
  764. 15:27
  765. did the best I could during those four
  766. 15:31
  767. years and thought that everything that I
  768. 15:33
  769. was emailing
  770. 15:34
  771. that was work-related was being
  772. 15:35
  773. preserved if you can find the source for
  774. 15:40
  775. the 90 to 95 percent I would be I would
  776. 15:43
  777. be grateful for it and we would probably
  778. 15:45
  779. have fewer questions if there is a
  780. 15:47
  781. source that you can provide that 90 to
  782. 15:50
  783. 95 percent we're on the State Department
  784. 15:53
  785. system then I'll know that I need to ask
  786. 15:55
  787. the State Department what took them so
  788. 15:56
  789. long because I'm just telling you my
  790. 15:58
  791. time secretary I got eight emails the
  792. 16:00
  793. first time I asked
  794. 16:01
  795. and now I've got over 1,500 so there's
  796. 16:04
  797. some disconnect there well mr. chairman
  798. 16:06
  799. I think that is a fair question and I'm
  800. 16:11
  801. not at the State Department any longer
  802. 16:13
  803. but I do want to defend them they are
  804. 16:16
  805. under the most extraordinary pressure to
  806. 16:18
  807. answer congressional inquiries I saw a
  808. 16:21
  809. figure recently that FOIA requests have
  810. 16:24
  811. jumped something like 300 percent they
  812. 16:28
  813. don't have the resources they don't have
  814. 16:30
  815. the personnel they take their
  816. 16:32
  817. responsibility of reading every single
  818. 16:34
  819. line and as ranking member Cummings
  820. 16:38
  821. reminded us having to redact personal
  822. 16:41
  823. information personnel information
  824. 16:42
  825. obviously they take it very seriously I
  826. 16:46
  827. think they're doing the best they can
  828. 16:47
  829. and I I know that they've tried to be
  830. 16:51
  831. responsive to you and to the many other
  832. 16:53
  833. requests that have come their way
  834. 16:54
  835. a lot of secretarial mapping
  836. 16:58
  837. [Music]
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