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- <font color="#ffff80"><b>Fixed & Synced by bozxphd. Enjoy The Flick</b></font>
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- So?
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- This is the only alligator.
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- Four minutes past. We walk in one minute.
- He was clear on that.
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- He's coming.
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- No, he's too young to
- have that kind of access.
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- 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,314
- Uh, what time does
- the restaurant open?
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- Noon. But the food's
- a little too spicy.
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- This way.
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- Excuse me.
- Uh-huh.
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- Thank you.
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- Right here.
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- 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,271
- It's, uh, really great
- to finally meet you guys.
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- 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,074
- So, first thing, can I get your
- cell phones, please?
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- Thank you.
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- 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,874
- We want Laura to be
- the only one recording, right?
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- As discussed? Thank you.
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- I actually bought this.
- It blocks UHF frequencies.
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- You've been
- photographed before, right?
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- Yeah, it's been a while since anybody
- took a photo of me, so...
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- Try thinking of
- this as your friend.
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- Take your time.
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- Um...
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- 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,190
- Can you start by telling us
- why you did what you did
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- 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,350
- and, uh, how you gained access
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- to such a vast
- amount of information,
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- all of which I read
- on the plane
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- and...
- Glenn.
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- Uh, how about we just start
- with your name? Okay?
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- My name is
- Edward Joseph Snowden.
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- I'm 29 years old.
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- 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,029
- I work as a private
- contractor for the NSA.
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- 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,031
- I've also worked as
- a private contractor
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- for the CIA and directly
- for the Agency.
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- 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,109
- I've worked in various jobs
- in the intelligence industry
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- for the last nine years.
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- I've been a systems engineer, uh,
- been a solutions consultant...
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- Uh...
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- And a senior advisor for
- the Central Intelligence Agency.
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- - Rangers...
- - Rangers...
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- - Rangers...
- - Rangers...
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- 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,496
- So you
- wanna be Special Forces?
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- Sir, yes, sir!
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- I think Special Forces
- would be ashamed
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- to call you soldiers.
- Am I right?
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- Sir, no, sir!
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- Your left.
- Your left, right. Your left.
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- Went from driving Cadillacs
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- Went from driving Cadillacs
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- To driving convoys in Iraq
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- To driving convoys in Iraq
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- Move it, soldier!
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- Go! Go!
- Move now!
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- Move!
- You better get going!
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- Pick it up,
- you waste of space!
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- Let's move!
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- Come on, soldier! Go!
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- Come on, darling!
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- Snowden?
- What the hell are you doing?
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- Nothing, sir!
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- Where is your fucking heart?
- Right here, sir!
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- I want you to reach way down in
- that pathetic excuse of a chest,
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- and you rip it out.
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- You find your heart,
- and then you get
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- your broke ass on my tower!
- You got that?
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- Sir, yes, sir!
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- 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,000
- Now get
- the fuck out of my face!
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- I need you on my tower,
- gentlemen! Let's move!
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- Move! Move! Let's go!
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- Rise and shine, maggots!
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- Get your hands off your dicks,
- and get the fuck out of my barracks!
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- You guys got one minute!
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- Fall out! Move, move, move!
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- Get the hell out here!
- Get the hell out of my barracks!
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- Move it!
- Keep moving!
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- Let's go!
- All right, gentlemen.
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- - Harrison?
- - Here!
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- - Carson?
- - Here!
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- - Ramirez?
- - Here!
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- Fuck!
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- - Pierce?
- - Here!
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- Coulson?
- Help!
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- Snowden!
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- Snowden!
- Where the fuck is Snowden?
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- Help!
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- You know, you've been walking
- around on two broken legs...
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- Best I can tell, for weeks.
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- Now this is what happens when
- you put a 80-pound rucksack
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- on a 150-pound body.
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- You get these little stress
- fractures and...
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- Easy.
- Sorry.
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- They build up
- in your tibias.
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- You don't get off of 'em,
- and eventually they just bust.
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- Now, you're gonna be
- here for a few weeks,
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- and then I'd count on
- another eight weeks or so
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- on the crutches.
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- Okay,
- and then when do I go back?
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- Son, you ever again
- land on those legs of yours,
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- airborne or not, those
- bones will turn to powder.
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- I'm gonna authorize
- an administrative discharge.
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- Plenty of other ways
- to serve your country.
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- Have you ever committed
- a crime for which you weren't caught?
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- No.
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- Have you ever cheated on an exam?
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- No.
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- Do you believe
- the United States
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- is the greatest
- country in the world?
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- Yes.
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- 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,557
- Why do you
- want to join the CIA?
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- 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,520
- How would you
- explain the Internet to a child?
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- 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,995
- Granddad retired as
- an admiral and joined the FBI.
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- Dad's in the Coast Guard,
- 30-year man.
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- What has been the
- most important day in your life?
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- 9/11.
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- We thought my grandfather
- was inside the Pentagon.
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- Uh, turned out he was
- off-site that day.
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- 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,508
- You wanted
- to be Special Forces?
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- 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,912
- Yes, sir. Yeah, I love their motto.
- De oppresso liber.
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- Is that what you hope to do
- with us? Free people from oppression?
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- I'd like to help my country
- make a difference in the world.
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- 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,314
- Uh, the Internet
- is a technology
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- that has the power
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- to let everyone in the world
- understand each other.
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- Missed a perfect score on the
- ASVAB test by a single question.
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- Crushed the language
- learning test.
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- Some Mandarin,
- some Japanese.
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- And no high school diploma.
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- 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,871
- So why did you stop
- attending high school?
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- 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,399
- I had to make money. My parents
- were divorcing at the time.
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- 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:14,918
- Any other influences?
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- 00:09:15,560 --> 00:09:17,790
- I'd say Joseph Campbell,
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- Star Wars,
- Thoreau, Ayn Rand...
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- 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,637
- One man can stop
- the motor of the world.
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- Atlas Shrugged.
- Yes, sir. I believe that.
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- Let's try again.
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- 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,149
- Why do you want
- to join the CIA?
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- 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,468
- Uh...
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- 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,558
- Well, frankly, sir,
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- it sounds really cool to have
- top security clearance.
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- It's not enough.
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- 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,549
- Ordinarily. But these
- are not ordinary times.
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- 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,476
- Bombs won't stop terrorism,
- brains will,
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- 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,670
- and we don't have
- nearly enough of those.
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- 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,110
- I'm gonna give you
- a shot, Snowden.
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- 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,593
- Thank you, sir. Thank you very much.
- You won't regret this.
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- 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,037
- My name's Corbin O'Brian.
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- I have many titles,
- among them Senior Instructor.
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- You'll be joining
- my class at The Hill.
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- Stop the vehicle.
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- Shut off the engine.
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- 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,119
- I need to see your ID.
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- 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,156
- All right. Using your left hand only,
- pop the trunk.
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- 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:48,856
- Now place
- your hands
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- 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,757
- through the steering wheel
- on the dashboard.
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- 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:52,553
- Through the steering wheel.
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- 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,634
- On the dashboard.
- Do not exit the vehicle.
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- 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:00,760
- Right here. Right here.
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- 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:14,673
- Excuse me.
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- 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,592
- You'll be looking
- for Corbin's class.
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- 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:19,353
- End of the hall, keep going
- through the second set of doors.
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- 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,910
- Thank you.
- Is that an Enigma?
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- 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,908
- No.
- Enigma was broken.
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- 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,798
- This is the follow up,
- the Sigaba. Never broken.
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- 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,068
- Cold War's greatest
- encryption machine.
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- 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,472
- Tides of history ticked with
- this motor and these rotors.
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- 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,433
- One day everyone's gonna want
- a machine like this. Wow!
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- 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,317
- I always wanted to learn cryptography.
- What's this one?
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- 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,757
- The Hot Line.
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- 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,593
- First direct link between
- Washington and Moscow.
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- 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:50,716
- Probably
- prevented World War III.
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- 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:55,869
- You got a name? How do I
- know you're not the enemy?
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- 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,837
- Oh, sorry. Uh,
- Snowden. Ed Snowden.
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- 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,798
- Hank Forrester.
- Where'd you study, Snowden?
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- 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,836
- Mostly I'm,
- uh, self-taught.
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- 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,834
- You can tell me if you're busy,
- but is that a Cray-1?
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- 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,788
- Why, yes. Yes, it is.
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- 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,398
- The first supercomputer.
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- 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,200
- You can get all of
- this on a cell phone now.
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- 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,953
- Yeah. So you're,
- um, an engineer?
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- 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,830
- Am I an engineer?
- Instructor and counselor, too.
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- 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,150
- I'm supposed to keep
- an eye on you CTs,
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- 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,310
- make sure you don't buckle
- under the pressure.
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- 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:27,674
- Turn to drugs and booze.
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- 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,795
- Well, you won't have that problem with me.
- I don't drink or do drugs.
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- 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,518
- What is your sin
- of choice?
- 186
- 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,511
- Uh, computers.
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- 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,749
- Well, then, Snowden, you've come
- to the right little whorehouse.
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- 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,512
- The front lines in
- the global war on terror
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- 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,511
- are not in Iraq
- or Afghanistan.
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- 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,990
- They're here. In London,
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- 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,680
- Berlin,
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- 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:57,754
- Istanbul...
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- 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,670
- Any server,
- any connection...
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- 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,714
- The modern battlefield
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- 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:06,594
- is everywhere.
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- 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:09,993
- Which means
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- 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,798
- you don't have to sit in the ditch
- eating MREs or dodging mortar fire,
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- 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:20,671
- it means that if there is another
- 9/11, it'll be your fault.
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- 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,400
- Just as the last one
- was my generation's.
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- 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,718
- Believe me, you do not want
- to live with that burden.
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- 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,235
- We're gonna start
- with an aptitude test.
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- 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:42,831
- Each of you is gonna build
- a covert communications network
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- 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,399
- in your home city,
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- 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,158
- you're gonna deploy it,
- back up your site, destroy it,
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- 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:51,912
- and restore it again.
- 206
- 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,798
- The point of this
- exercise is to keep
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- 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,474
- your infrastructure up
- and running securely.
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- 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,759
- The average test
- time is five hours.
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- 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,118
- If you take more than eight,
- you will fail.
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- 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,199
- Mr. O'Brian?
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- 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:33,959
- I'm done, sir.
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- 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,840
- You don't have to tell me
- when you've completed a stage.
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- 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,797
- No, I finished
- the whole thing.
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- 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,158
- It's been 40 minutes.
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- 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,514
- Thirty-eight.
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- 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:43,794
- What?
- 217
- 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:45,799
- Thirty-eight minutes.
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- 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,715
- Okay. Let's see
- where you screwed up.
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- 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,759
- You didn't say we had
- to do it in order, sir.
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- 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,912
- So I, uh, broke
- the sequence to save time,
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- 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,073
- and I automated the backup process
- to run as I built the site.
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- 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,034
- Eyes on screens.
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- 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:33,509
- Sir?
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- 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,472
- What should I do now?
- 225
- 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:38,913
- Whatever you want.
- 226
- 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,911
- Hey.
- Hi.
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- 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,197
- Finally.
- Yeah.
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- 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,470
- Um, sorry.
- 229
- 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,232
- Do you, um,
- want anything?
- 230
- 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,039
- No. Let's go
- for a walk.
- 231
- 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,792
- You could use some sun.
- 232
- 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,074
- Yeah.
- You mentioned that earlier.
- 233
- 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,469
- Sorry it took me
- this long. I just...
- 234
- 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,759
- You didn't want to see me on crutches.
- I was not so agile.
- 235
- 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,712
- And then this
- new job hit. So...
- 236
- 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,234
- Oh, yeah, what was it
- you were doing again?
- 237
- 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,231
- I'm doing analysis for
- the State Department.
- 238
- 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,356
- Right. Congratulations.
- Thanks.
- 239
- 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,873
- You're welcome.
- 240
- 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,678
- Hey, can you
- do me a favor
- 241
- 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,990
- and, um, point in the direction
- of the State Department?
- 242
- 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:07,954
- Uh...
- 243
- 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,593
- Yeah, it's that way.
- 244
- 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,390
- Where? Are you sure?
- 245
- 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,273
- I mean, I'm not that great
- at orienting myself...
- 246
- 00:17:19,360 --> 00:17:21,590
- Not that great
- at lying, either.
- 247
- 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,274
- You're gonna have to work on
- both if you wanna be a spy.
- 248
- 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,479
- Where I came from,
- everyone's parents
- 249
- 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,630
- worked for
- the "State Department."
- 250
- 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,678
- Plus, every time you visited
- my website this week,
- 251
- 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,514
- which was quite often,
- it was from an IP in Virginia.
- 252
- 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,756
- You know how to run an IP trace?
- Yeah.
- 253
- 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:43,069
- I'm pretty sure that the State
- Department has no offices in Virginia.
- 254
- 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:46,953
- Huh?
- 255
- 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:53,873
- All right,
- let's see you strut it.
- 256
- 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:55,514
- Let's see what?
- 257
- 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,216
- Let's see you strut it. Show
- me what you got, you know.
- 258
- 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,912
- Your best catwalk.
- 259
- 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,435
- Don't be shy.
- 260
- 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,795
- Come on. You got this.
- Uh... All right.
- 261
- 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:09,635
- I don't know.
- 262
- 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,256
- Drop Bush, not bombs!
- 263
- 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,989
- Drop Bush, not bombs!
- 264
- 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,360
- Excuse me. Would you mind
- signing our petition, please?
- 265
- 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:24,759
- Yes, absolutely.
- 266
- 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,758
- Thank you.
- Thank you so much. Sir?
- 267
- 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:29,909
- No, thank you.
- 268
- 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,216
- Excuse me, ma'am.
- Would you like to sign?
- 269
- 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:35,976
- I actually just signed. Yeah.
- Okay. Thank you very much.
- 270
- 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,000
- Thank you.
- 271
- 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,516
- Too much independent
- spirit for you?
- 272
- 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:44,829
- Uh, no, I just don't really
- like bashing my country.
- 273
- 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,714
- It's my country too, and right
- now it has blood on its hands.
- 274
- 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,112
- Sorry, I just... I have friends
- who are over there right now.
- 275
- 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:55,616
- I'm not talking
- about the troops.
- 276
- 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,520
- I'm talking about the moron
- sending them to war.
- 277
- 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,393
- Moron? You mean
- our Commander-in-Chief?
- 278
- 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,869
- Yeah, whatever you want to call him.
- He's still wrong.
- 279
- 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,736
- How do you know he's wrong?
- You're just lashing out.
- 280
- 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,548
- No, I'm not lashing out. I'm
- questioning our government.
- 281
- 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:09,816
- That's what we do
- in this country.
- 282
- 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,195
- That is the principle
- that we were founded on.
- 283
- 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,432
- Okay, but how about
- questioning the liberal media?
- 284
- 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,599
- I mean, you're just buying
- into what one side is saying.
- 285
- 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,039
- Maybe I am,
- 'cause my side is right.
- 286
- 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,720
- See, that's funny, 'cause my side's right.
- Oh, really?
- 287
- 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,075
- Yeah.
- Uh...
- 288
- 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,190
- Why is it smart conservatives
- always make me so mad?
- 289
- 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,589
- Probably because you don't
- like hearing the truth.
- 290
- 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,034
- You are a very frustrating
- individual, you know that?
- 291
- 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,950
- How am I going
- to make you see?
- 292
- 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,270
- I can see just fine,
- thank you.
- 293
- 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,148
- That help at all?
- 294
- 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,034
- Nope. No, that did
- nothing for me.
- 295
- 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:00,348
- Tastes like liberal.
- 296
- 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,273
- It's not my thing.
- 297
- 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,115
- Is it constitutional
- to bypass the Courts?
- 298
- 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,794
- No. The Fourth Amendment
- prevents searches
- 299
- 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,313
- and seizures
- without a warrant.
- 300
- 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,915
- That's absolutely right,
- Rio. Which means
- 301
- 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,558
- your Commander-in-Chief, the
- President of the United States,
- 302
- 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,471
- is breaking the law.
- 303
- 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,477
- That is what you're saying,
- isn't it, Rio?
- 304
- 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,509
- Well, I guess it depends
- on who you talk to.
- 305
- 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,431
- And if you talk
- to journalists?
- 306
- 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,948
- Who, more often than not,
- don't have the full picture,
- 307
- 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,476
- or neglect to report it,
- you only get a partial truth.
- 308
- 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,913
- Foreign Intelligence
- Surveillance Act.
- 309
- 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,513
- The FISA Court.
- 310
- 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,272
- We do respect the Fourth
- Amendment in this country,
- 311
- 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,976
- and we issue warrants
- based on suspicion.
- 312
- 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:04,358
- But sometimes these warrants have
- to be issued by secret courts,
- 313
- 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,079
- so we don't alert
- the suspects we're spying on.
- 314
- 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,351
- And these court proceedings
- are classified,
- 315
- 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,192
- which means, surprise...
- 316
- 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,438
- They don't appear in papers
- such as The New York Times.
- 317
- 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,256
- Did you see my test scores?
- 318
- 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,511
- Yes. Top of my class.
- Like you. What, here?
- 319
- 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,672
- NSA. They liked me plenty.
- 320
- 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:30,038
- They put me on all the best teams.
- Soviet frontier. Desert Storm.
- 321
- 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,550
- And then
- the big new challenge,
- 322
- 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,156
- find the terrorist in the Internet
- haystack. Hell of a haystack.
- 323
- 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,673
- Hundreds of
- terabytes a minute.
- 324
- 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,672
- I mean, it would take you 400
- years to read the emails.
- 325
- 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,796
- Then you have
- to analyze them.
- 326
- 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,830
- Sometimes, the more you
- look, the less you see.
- 327
- 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,816
- - What'd you come up with?
- - Something beautiful.
- 328
- 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,229
- In house.
- For $3 million.
- 329
- 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,393
- A program that could differentiate
- between foreign and domestic,
- 330
- 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,109
- encrypt every signal we weren't
- targeting, so it would remain private.
- 331
- 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:02,430
- It was elegant, streamlined.
- 332
- 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,351
- It was the best
- work I ever did.
- 333
- 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,069
- Have a seat.
- 334
- 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,948
- What was it called?
- 335
- 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:23,119
- Ed, rising to
- the top in our world
- 336
- 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,556
- can sometimes
- be hard on a man.
- 337
- 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,997
- I mean... You think
- you're making strides,
- 338
- 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:33,759
- you think you're
- taking the initiative.
- 339
- 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,478
- And then, the next minute, they
- grind your work out of existence.
- 340
- 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,031
- They didn't use it?
- Why not?
- 341
- 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:42,509
- Well,
- they never tell you why.
- 342
- 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,634
- Two years later,
- after 9/11,
- 343
- 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,034
- a friend of mine
- tells me about
- 344
- 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:50,918
- this new contractor
- program they're using.
- 345
- 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,434
- Costs $4 billion
- to deploy.
- 346
- 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:58,469
- Modeled after mine but with
- no filters, no automation.
- 347
- 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,189
- Ingested everything.
- They were drowning in data.
- 348
- 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,918
- It was a fucking disaster.
- 349
- 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,878
- Okay, but there must have been
- some bigger picture, right?
- 350
- 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,270
- I mean, spending that kind of money?
- They're not stupid.
- 351
- 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,999
- You would think intelligence
- would count for something
- 352
- 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:15,951
- in the intelligence
- business.
- 353
- 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,436
- Right. But you wanna
- know what it really is?
- 354
- 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,715
- What really sets
- the agenda?
- 355
- 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,111
- Military industrial
- happiness management.
- 356
- 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,031
- You keep the coffers
- open in Congress,
- 357
- 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:33,271
- you keep the money flowing
- to the contractors.
- 358
- 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:37,069
- Efficiency, results?
- They go out the window.
- 359
- 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,514
- Not to mention...
- All right.
- 360
- 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,115
- Well, you're late
- for class.
- 361
- 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,631
- Okay. Thank you.
- 362
- 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,789
- Can I take another one?
- Sure.
- 363
- 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,400
- Did you ever say
- anything to anybody?
- 364
- 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,598
- Yeah. I went to legal.
- We filed complaints.
- 365
- 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,514
- Now here I am,
- tucked away, teaching you.
- 366
- 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,754
- Maybe that's more important,
- in the long run.
- 367
- 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:15,675
- You're getting better.
- 368
- 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,516
- My favorite spot
- on campus.
- 369
- 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:37,599
- You hunt, Ed?
- 370
- 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,073
- Uh...
- 371
- 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,480
- Did some skeet shooting
- with my dad a few times,
- 372
- 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,312
- but, no,
- I never went hunting.
- 373
- 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,594
- We'll go one day.
- 374
- 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:47,908
- That'd be great.
- 375
- 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,952
- Mr. O'Brian,
- can I ask you a question?
- 376
- 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,792
- How about just
- calling me Corbin?
- 377
- 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,709
- Okay.
- Thank you, sir. Uh, Corbin.
- 378
- 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,196
- I was talking with Hank
- Forrester and I wanted to know,
- 379
- 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,159
- are all of our SIGINT programs
- specifically targeted?
- 380
- 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,708
- Of course. What good would
- they be if they weren't? Hmm?
- 381
- 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,559
- Yeah, I don't know.
- 382
- 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,671
- You have a girlfriend, Ed?
- 383
- 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,518
- Uh, nothing serious.
- 384
- 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,033
- What's her name?
- Lindsay.
- 385
- 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:24,155
- Lindsay.
- 386
- 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,998
- She going with you?
- 387
- 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,633
- No, I wouldn't want
- to put her in any danger.
- 388
- 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:31,789
- Well, you won't have to.
- 389
- 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,276
- We're not sending you
- to the Middle East.
- 390
- 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,116
- Sir, I'm your best student.
- Doesn't that count for something?
- 391
- 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,397
- In 20 years, Iraq will be a
- hellhole nobody cares about.
- 392
- 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,516
- Terrorism's
- a short-term threat.
- 393
- 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,116
- The real threats will come
- from China, Russia, Iran,
- 394
- 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,038
- and they'll come as
- SQL injections and malware.
- 395
- 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,233
- Without minds like yours, this country
- will be torn apart in cyberspace.
- 396
- 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:05,473
- I don't want to risk
- losing you
- 397
- 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,319
- for some horseshit war
- over sand and oil.
- 398
- 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,837
- Sir, I'm surprised
- to hear you say that.
- 399
- 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,276
- You don't have to agree with your
- politicians to be a patriot.
- 400
- 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,788
- Sir, where are you sending me?
- Take a moment.
- 401
- 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,839
- Enjoy the view.
- 402
- 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:28,920
- Hey.
- 403
- 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:47,834
- This is Laura.
- 404
- 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,480
- Hello.
- 405
- 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,039
- Hello,
- nice to meet you.
- 406
- 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,997
- Hello, I'm Ewen MacAskill from the
- Guardian. It's nice to meet you.
- 407
- 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,274
- Nice to meet you, too.
- 408
- 00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:59,875
- Um, if you don't mind, uh,
- I'd like to record some of...
- 409
- 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:02,315
- Uh... Cell phones go
- in the microwave.
- 410
- 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,789
- Dare I ask why?
- 411
- 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,314
- We'll get to that.
- After you ask your questions.
- 412
- 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,469
- Yeah, before...
- 413
- 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,696
- Before we get on to the stories,
- I need to know more about you.
- 414
- 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,111
- Your career by Glenn's account
- is very varied,
- 415
- 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,872
- but the Guardian
- needs evidence that...
- 416
- 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,997
- Yeah. This is my diplomatic
- passport for friendly countries,
- 417
- 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,957
- my tourist passport
- for everywhere else.
- 418
- 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,439
- You can check
- the visa stamps.
- 419
- 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,559
- This is my NSA badge with Booz Allen,
- my CIA badge with Dell,
- 420
- 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,712
- and this is my DIA
- instructor's badge.
- 421
- 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,712
- This is a photo of me
- with Michael Hayden,
- 422
- 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,713
- who's a former head
- of the NSA and the CIA.
- 423
- 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,155
- When can you publish?
- 424
- 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,631
- Okay, um, do you mind if I sit down?
- No, please.
- 425
- 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,198
- Uh, Glenn says
- you want to, uh...
- 426
- 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,237
- You want to tell people
- your identity.
- 427
- 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,176
- How do you think your
- government's going to react?
- 428
- 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,589
- Well, they'll charge me
- under the Espionage Act.
- 429
- 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,399
- And they'll say I endangered
- national security,
- 430
- 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,153
- and they'll demonize me,
- and my friends and family.
- 431
- 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,999
- And they'll throw me in jail.
- 432
- 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,116
- That's the
- best-case scenario.
- 433
- 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,514
- And the worst?
- 434
- 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,795
- Well, if I don't
- have any media cover,
- 435
- 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,474
- then I'll be rendered
- by the CIA
- 436
- 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,915
- and interrogated
- outside of the law.
- 437
- 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,639
- And they have a station
- right up the street.
- 438
- 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,109
- But how would they
- know what you did?
- 439
- 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,749
- Because I left a digital footprint in
- my logs, so they'll figure it out.
- 440
- 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,796
- I did not want
- a manhunt.
- 441
- 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,030
- I know what they would
- do to my colleagues.
- 442
- 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,153
- Look, Mr. MacAskill, uh,
- 443
- 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,835
- this is not about money
- or anything for me.
- 444
- 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,148
- There's no hidden agenda.
- 445
- 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,028
- I just wanted to get this data to
- established journalists like yourselves,
- 446
- 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,350
- so that you can present it
- to the world,
- 447
- 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,955
- and the people can decide
- either I'm wrong
- 448
- 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,873
- or there's something going on inside
- the government that's really wrong.
- 449
- 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,715
- So...
- 450
- 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,999
- This one
- is everything I have
- 451
- 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,992
- on your British
- intelligence agency, the GCHQ.
- 452
- 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,036
- An encryption key
- will follow.
- 453
- 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,714
- You're gonna want your technical
- people at the Guardian
- 454
- 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,040
- to look through
- that thoroughly.
- 455
- 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,991
- There's a lot
- of stuff there.
- 456
- 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,513
- Listen,
- they're gonna investigate,
- 457
- 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,598
- and they're gonna
- figure out what I've done.
- 458
- 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,791
- And then they're
- gonna come for me.
- 459
- 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,438
- And now that
- we've made contact,
- 460
- 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,997
- they're gonna come
- for all of you, too.
- 461
- 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,754
- Uh... Um...
- 462
- 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,920
- Do you mind if I go
- look in the microwave?
- 463
- 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,237
- Ewen. I'm on with Stuart.
- 464
- 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,355
- Hi, Ewen.
- 465
- 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,316
- Hi, Stuart. Look,
- I've got one thing to say.
- 466
- 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,909
- - The Guinness here is great.
- - Wonderful.
- 467
- 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,116
- Oh, absolutely
- the genuine article.
- 468
- 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,315
- Good.
- 469
- 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,834
- But shockingly different
- from what you'd expect.
- 470
- 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,633
- So... Now we have the lawyers
- to deal with. And no doubt the White House.
- 471
- 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:13,440
- I got the go ahead.
- 472
- 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,794
- That's great.
- Oh, good.
- 473
- 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,696
- Let's get started. We have
- a lot to go through here,
- 474
- 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,039
- and it's not easy reading.
- 475
- 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,917
- We can start
- by showing him XKeyscore.
- 476
- 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,376
- Good idea. Ed, can you bring it
- up again and walk us through it?
- 477
- 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,469
- Yeah.
- 478
- 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,231
- Do we all get
- under there now?
- 479
- 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,590
- He's protecting his passwords.
- 480
- 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,875
- Okay. So...
- 481
- 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,919
- This was introduced
- 482
- 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,516
- during my first deployment
- at the CIA in Geneva.
- 483
- 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:49,715
- "XKeyscore."
- 484
- 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,599
- What does that do?
- 485
- 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,753
- It's like
- a search interface.
- 486
- 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,072
- What does it search for?
- 487
- 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,952
- Anything you want.
- 488
- 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,997
- What was your
- assignment in Geneva?
- 489
- 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,269
- Well, I was assigned with
- diplomatic cover to the UN mission
- 490
- 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,920
- to maintain the CIA's
- computer security network.
- 491
- 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,193
- I spent almost two years
- around CIA field officers.
- 492
- 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,990
- I don't see a time
- stamp on any of this.
- 493
- 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,639
- We have
- a confirmation on the GSS.
- 494
- 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,674
- I'm sorry, sir,
- I don't understand.
- 495
- 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,320
- Sherman says you hacked
- the Human Resources site.
- 496
- 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,237
- Yeah, it's my job
- to find flaws.
- 497
- 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,994
- The security of the HR site
- is not your problem.
- 498
- 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,638
- You went outside
- the wheelhouse.
- 499
- 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,154
- Okay, but just to clarify,
- I did not hack it,
- 500
- 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,709
- I showed that it
- could be hacked.
- 501
- 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,114
- You told me
- to find a patch.
- 502
- 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,349
- You have that
- in writing?
- 503
- 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,637
- Yes, I do. Remember, I sent
- you the proof of concept.
- 504
- 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,056
- Doesn't matter
- what you did, Snowden.
- 505
- 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,880
- Right or wrong, you need to let these
- things be someone else's problem.
- 506
- 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,592
- He's also put
- a derog in your file.
- 507
- 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,079
- Excuse me?
- Let that be a lesson.
- 508
- 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,513
- I don't want him
- calling me again
- 509
- 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,318
- about another
- Ed Snowden moment.
- 510
- 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,799
- Okay?
- 511
- 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,896
- Why don't you take it easy
- the rest of the day?
- 512
- 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,751
- Go work on
- the scrubbing pile.
- 513
- 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,352
- That didn't look
- like it went well.
- 514
- 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,719
- Oh, hey, man. Uh, yeah. No, I just
- got a derog for doing my job.
- 515
- 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,389
- Politics, man. The
- culture of fear wins again.
- 516
- 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,875
- I can't get anything done here.
- Yeah.
- 517
- 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,949
- Hey, um, what about that idea
- that we were talking about?
- 518
- 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,696
- I'm working on it.
- I'm waiting for a call back
- 519
- 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,199
- from our friend
- at The Hill.
- 520
- 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,992
- Who, Corbin? You called Corbin?
- Hmm.
- 521
- 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,433
- You think he can
- do something?
- 522
- 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,512
- We'll see. Maybe some limited
- field ops under my supervision.
- 523
- 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,176
- Yes, that would be amazing.
- I would love...
- 524
- 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,954
- Easy, Ed. I've gotta see a cleric in Milan.
- We'll talk after.
- 525
- 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,871
- Okay. Thank you.
- 526
- 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,789
- Damn, CIA does not like
- to leave a trace, huh?
- 527
- 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:15,880
- Can I help you?
- 528
- 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,678
- You get curious
- to check one out?
- 529
- 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,276
- See what kind of crazy-ass
- covert kill mission
- 530
- 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,536
- you might be erasing
- from history?
- 531
- 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:22,640
- I'm sorry,
- who are you with?
- 532
- 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,434
- No Such Agency.
- I'm Gabriel Sol.
- 533
- 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,836
- I'm the 50-pound brain from the
- Council of Wizards and Warlocks.
- 534
- 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,629
- Excuse me?
- 535
- 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,915
- Giving you your intel for
- Bucharest, dude. Oh.
- 536
- 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,911
- Unless there's
- another Dave Churchyard.
- 537
- 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,639
- No. That's me.
- Right this way.
- 538
- 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,269
- I'll be right outside.
- Stay if you want.
- 539
- 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,876
- Uh, I don't have
- authorization to use NSA programs.
- 540
- 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,096
- Well, if you're
- the messenger to Bucharest,
- 541
- 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,519
- you must have
- a PRIVAC clearance
- 542
- 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,238
- to see the finished
- intel, yes?
- 543
- 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,080
- Yeah...
- 544
- 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,336
- Yeah, so what
- difference does it make
- 545
- 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,640
- if you see how
- it's put together?
- 546
- 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,798
- Well, it's up to you, man.
- 547
- 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,316
- Uh, you're giving me
- just names?
- 548
- 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,953
- Uh, and a lot more
- than names.
- 549
- 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,437
- What I will be providing you and the
- fine gentlemen of the Secret Service
- 550
- 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,389
- is a list of every threat made about
- the President since February 3rd.
- 551
- 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,948
- And a profile of
- every threat-maker.
- 552
- 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,873
- And these are, like,
- existing targets?
- 553
- 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,151
- 99% are gonna come from the
- bulk collection program, so...
- 554
- 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,117
- Upstream, Muscular,
- Tempora, PRISM.
- 555
- 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,000
- PRISM?
- 556
- 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,831
- You got a little
- Snow White in you.
- 557
- 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,191
- Which makes me feel like the witch
- bringing you a poisoned apple.
- 558
- 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,589
- Here. Exhibit A.
- 559
- 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,877
- Oakland resident Justin Pinsky
- posted on a message board,
- 560
- 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,713
- "Romania has a storied history
- of executing their leaders,
- 561
- 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,633
- "couldn't they do us a solid
- and take out Bush?"
- 562
- 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,513
- Now this looks juicy.
- This is from a G-chat.
- 563
- 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,830
- "with the biggest python
- you've ever seen." Hmm.
- 564
- 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,351
- How is this all possible?
- 565
- 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,431
- Um, keyword selectors.
- 566
- 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,670
- "Attack," "take out Bush."
- 567
- 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,038
- So think of it as
- a Google search,
- 568
- 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,136
- except instead of searching
- only what people make public,
- 569
- 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,355
- we're also looking at
- everything they don't. So...
- 570
- 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,757
- Emails, chats,
- SMS, whatever.
- 571
- 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,512
- Yeah, but which people?
- 572
- 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,552
- The whole kingdom,
- Snow White.
- 573
- 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,472
- Which ambassador
- was he again?
- 574
- 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,120
- De La Hoya, with
- World Trade Organization.
- 575
- 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,315
- Right.
- 576
- 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,160
- So...
- 577
- 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,592
- O'Brian came through
- for you.
- 578
- 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,389
- He agrees your talents are being wasted.
- You ready for a little action?
- 579
- 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,760
- Really? What,
- you mean right here?
- 580
- 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:05,151
- Yeah. Now.
- 581
- 00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,310
- See the woman in
- the pink number?
- 582
- 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:12,155
- Credit Suisse. J.P. Morgan's on her arm.
- Grandma's with Deutsche Bank.
- 583
- 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,071
- Ten thousand bankers
- in this town.
- 584
- 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,071
- All you need to turn is one.
- 585
- 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,272
- Socialize. Meet a few.
- 586
- 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,079
- Preferably ones sitting on
- a pile of dirty Saudi money
- 587
- 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,559
- that's funding bin Laden.
- 588
- 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,911
- Thank you very much. Church.
- Church. Sure. Churchyard.
- 589
- 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,519
- Mr. Debrinin asks
- your business card, please.
- 590
- 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,269
- An ambassador. Wow!
- 591
- 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,357
- I wish I had your
- schmoozing skills.
- 592
- 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,271
- Uh, well,
- that's why you have me.
- 593
- 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,119
- Yeah. You don't know any
- bankers, do you? Bankers?
- 594
- 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,428
- Are you on some kind of
- assignment or something?
- 595
- 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,238
- Um, "Relationship cultivating."
- And not well.
- 596
- 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,034
- Let me help you.
- 597
- 00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,235
- No.
- Yeah.
- 598
- 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,829
- No, this is serious.
- I know it's serious.
- 599
- 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,160
- Trust me.
- 600
- 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,474
- Any luck?
- 601
- 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:07,994
- No, no bites.
- 602
- 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,829
- Is there some kind
- of trick to it?
- 603
- 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,790
- It's all about finding
- the pressure point.
- 604
- 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,956
- Everything else is
- just pushing on it.
- 605
- 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,158
- Looks like
- you're being summoned.
- 606
- 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,680
- We have to pay extra...
- Marwan? May I interrupt?
- 607
- 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:29,909
- This is
- my boyfriend, Dave.
- 608
- 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,514
- Hello, Dave. Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
- 609
- 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,669
- Marwan works at Monfort.
- 610
- 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,228
- We were talking,
- and after last week,
- 611
- 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,117
- he may be able
- to give you some tips.
- 612
- 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,760
- Gentlemen, I'll see you inside.
- Last week?
- 613
- 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,671
- He's embarrassed. It was
- a lot of money for us.
- 614
- 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,230
- Day trading is a perilous sport.
- 615
- 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,715
- You shouldn't be ashamed of it.
- Yeah.
- 616
- 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,113
- I'm gonna grab some food.
- See you guys inside?
- 617
- 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,315
- Sure.
- 618
- 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,468
- You have a lovely girlfriend.
- Thank you so much.
- 619
- 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,556
- You know, I work in IT,
- and so I just figured
- 620
- 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:08,393
- I could crack the market
- like a weak network.
- 621
- 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,592
- May I ask, how precipitous
- were your losses?
- 622
- 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,479
- Well, I told Lindsay
- it was 20,000,
- 623
- 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,393
- but between you and me,
- it was closer to 45.
- 624
- 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,636
- Tried to recoup,
- but that was a mistake,
- 625
- 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:24,312
- and now without
- any real grounding,
- 626
- 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,016
- I feel like I'm just
- sliding out of control.
- 627
- 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,917
- Oh, I have seen it
- many times.
- 628
- 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,797
- And I'm always happy
- to help a man
- 629
- 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,155
- break a bad habit
- before it gets going.
- 630
- 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,071
- Oh, thank you.
- I really appreciate that.
- 631
- 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,153
- This is the cleanest
- Pakistani I've ever seen.
- 632
- 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:41,390
- We got no first-degree ties
- to government or ISI,
- 633
- 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:42,913
- no shady family.
- 634
- 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,736
- I mean, second-degree contacts
- are off the charts,
- 635
- 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,376
- but that's... I mean, that's
- everyone in the Middle East
- 636
- 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,674
- with a six-figure income.
- 637
- 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,514
- Well, it's not dirt that we need
- necessarily, it's a pressure point.
- 638
- 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,757
- Something intimate,
- some kind of weakness.
- 639
- 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,111
- Can we look through his family?
- Mmm-hmm.
- 640
- 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,594
- How about
- his sister-in-law?
- 641
- 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:05,915
- Yeah.
- 642
- 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,796
- What is that, is that some
- video that she sent somebody?
- 643
- 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,269
- No, this is live.
- Out of Paris.
- 644
- 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,754
- What do you mean, live?
- 645
- 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,558
- Optic Nerve. It's
- camera and mic activation.
- 646
- 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,760
- I wish we could take credit,
- but the Brits wrote it.
- 647
- 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,153
- Activation?
- 648
- 00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:25,151
- Yeah,
- her laptop's off.
- 649
- 00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:26,878
- Or was, she just
- forgot to close it.
- 650
- 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,056
- Of course,
- how would she know?
- 651
- 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,594
- This shit is so sly, the webcam
- light doesn't even turn on.
- 652
- 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,197
- Hmm. I always wondered
- what was under those.
- 653
- 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,194
- Okay, look, let's stick
- to family in Geneva.
- 654
- 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,714
- All right?
- 655
- 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,791
- Okay, Snow White.
- Uh...
- 656
- 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,313
- Fifteen-year-old daughter
- at the International School.
- 657
- 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,712
- Yeah. Uh, Facebook?
- Is that possible?
- 658
- 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,472
- Dude,
- Facebook's my bitch.
- 659
- 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,039
- Seriously?
- 660
- 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,471
- Like, she fights
- with her parents, or...
- 661
- 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,870
- Don't worry, don't worry. I know all
- the hooks for this kind of fishing.
- 662
- 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,314
- Uh, query name. So email, keyword,
- whatever selector you want.
- 663
- 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,151
- And justification
- is where I write...
- 664
- 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,557
- In other words, turning your
- daddy into a CIA informant.
- 665
- 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,796
- - Wait, that's it?
- - That's it, bro.
- 666
- 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,478
- You don't have to get
- a FISA court order?
- 667
- 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,434
- Mmm-mmm. No, not here.
- XKeyscore's under 702 authority,
- 668
- 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,351
- which means no warrants.
- 669
- 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,115
- Okay, but U.S. targets then, you'd
- have to get the court order?
- 670
- 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,715
- You mean FISA? Yeah, they're just
- a big-ass rubber stamp, dude.
- 671
- 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,472
- I mean, FISA judges
- are all appointed by
- 672
- 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,154
- the Chief Justice,
- who's like, you know...
- 673
- 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,233
- Darth Vader when it comes
- to national security. Boom.
- 674
- 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,193
- Here we go.
- 675
- 00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:02,678
- Okay, okay. And the boy
- at third base is...
- 676
- 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:10,034
- Nadim. Okay. He's 18.
- 677
- 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,496
- Salma says she wants
- to marry him,
- 678
- 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,317
- but is scared of
- telling her parents.
- 679
- 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:19,713
- What she doesn't know is that
- his other name is Nicolas.
- 680
- 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,555
- And he's currently banging
- Geraldine and Julie.
- 681
- 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:26,669
- And...
- 682
- 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,590
- He and his Turkish mother
- are here illegally.
- 683
- 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:39,955
- That's it.
- 684
- 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,516
- Ah, you like that?
- 685
- 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,113
- I love these.
- 686
- 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,913
- Man, what are
- we doing here?
- 687
- 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,795
- You're making people
- very happy.
- 688
- 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,394
- Mr. Marwan's bank
- handles serious Saudi money,
- 689
- 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,755
- and a whole bunch of
- Russian billionaires.
- 690
- 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,072
- What about any al-Qaeda money?
- Anything promising?
- 691
- 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,670
- Ed, I'm up for
- a promotion soon.
- 692
- 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,631
- I will not forget
- my friends.
- 693
- 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,759
- Thank you.
- 694
- 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,416
- This is all going kind of
- fast though, right?
- 695
- 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,351
- I mean, I just sent
- some initial background.
- 696
- 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,590
- There he is!
- The man!
- 697
- 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,908
- Hey, Marwan!
- 698
- 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,151
- Dave. How wonderful
- to see you.
- 699
- 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:28,514
- Good to see you, too.
- 700
- 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:33,430
- Uh, I was counting, Marwan, you snuck
- in an extra half hour back there.
- 701
- 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,354
- I'm afraid she was merely
- listening to an old man's woes.
- 702
- 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,440
- Oh, I see.
- 703
- 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,351
- So, how are you,
- Marwan?
- 704
- 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,036
- I must tell you,
- Dave, since we met,
- 705
- 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,997
- my life has gone
- somewhat topsy-turvy.
- 706
- 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,151
- Oh, no,
- I'm sorry to hear that.
- 707
- 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,232
- But your colleague
- Charles here
- 708
- 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,515
- has graciously
- offered his help.
- 709
- 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,909
- So I owe him and you
- a great deal.
- 710
- 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,718
- Can I ask
- what happened?
- 711
- 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,914
- My daughter had an...
- 712
- 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,958
- Marwan's daughter
- took too many sleeping pills.
- 713
- 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,632
- She's all right.
- 714
- 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:13,632
- It had something to do with her
- boyfriend, who was recently deported.
- 715
- 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:15,631
- We're trying to secure
- a visa for him.
- 716
- 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:19,190
- And even so,
- I'm afraid that Salma will...
- 717
- 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,589
- I'm sorry. I won't trouble
- you with such matters.
- 718
- 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,514
- No, no, you... Hey. You
- talk as much as you want.
- 719
- 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,273
- All right?
- Family comes first.
- 720
- 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,148
- Whoa!
- Oh!
- 721
- 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,234
- There's my beauty.
- 722
- 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,152
- I'm never
- like this before.
- 723
- 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:50,071
- Oh, sure.
- No, of course.
- 724
- 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,310
- You sit down, huh?
- Sit tight.
- 725
- 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,873
- You sit tight.
- 726
- 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,473
- What the fuck's
- going on?
- 727
- 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,516
- I have been acting
- swiftly and effectively
- 728
- 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,637
- on the very good signals
- intelligence you've provided.
- 729
- 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,155
- And if his daughter
- had died?
- 730
- 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:09,992
- We could have
- used that too.
- 731
- 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,150
- Are you serious? What, in
- the name of a promotion?
- 732
- 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:18,676
- Marwan can't be away
- from his family right now.
- 733
- 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,995
- So in the morning, when
- he's facing a week in jail,
- 734
- 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,152
- we're going to offer him a deal
- and he won't turn it down.
- 735
- 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:25,389
- Wait, jail? For what?
- 736
- 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,549
- Drunk driving.
- 737
- 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,995
- Now, I want you
- to call the police.
- 738
- 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,376
- Tell 'em you saw
- a Mercedes headed north...
- 739
- 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,628
- No, he's not driving
- right now.
- 740
- 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:34,517
- Look at him,
- he'll kill himself.
- 741
- 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,431
- Okay. I'll call 'em.
- Hey!
- 742
- 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,069
- He's not driving.
- 743
- 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,908
- Remind me, are you authorized on
- any of the NSA programs you used?
- 744
- 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,400
- So we're both doing a little
- fucked up shit here, huh?
- 745
- 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:55,075
- Watch yourself, Ed.
- I will tell him who you are.
- 746
- 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,353
- You reveal the identity
- of an undercover officer,
- 747
- 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,113
- you're going to jail
- for a lot longer than Marwan.
- 748
- 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,440
- Hey!
- 749
- 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,275
- Hey.
- 750
- 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,159
- Sorry I'm so late.
- 751
- 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,279
- How was work?
- 752
- 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,079
- It was, uh...
- 753
- 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,149
- It was all right. Yeah.
- 754
- 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,791
- I have to
- wake up in, like, three hours.
- 755
- 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,313
- My flight's at 7:00.
- 756
- 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,636
- Well, we'd better
- be quick, then.
- 757
- 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,836
- I will provide our intelligence
- and law enforcement agencies
- 758
- 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,718
- with the tools they need to track
- and take out the terrorists
- 759
- 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,798
- without undermining our
- constitution and our freedom.
- 760
- 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:47,536
- That means no
- more illegal wiretapping
- 761
- 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:48,788
- of American citizens.
- 762
- 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,156
- No more ignoring the law
- when it is inconvenient.
- 763
- 00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:53,639
- That is not who we are.
- 764
- 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,308
- Hey, hon.
- Hey.
- 765
- 00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:58,518
- What happened
- to the London trip?
- 766
- 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,471
- Uh...
- 767
- 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,393
- Turns out I'm not going.
- 768
- 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,509
- Oh.
- 769
- 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,031
- What's going on?
- Who's winning?
- 770
- 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,256
- And Michelle Obama
- voted this morning in Chicago.
- 771
- 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,720
- - I voted.
- - In Arizona...
- 772
- 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,035
- Still early.
- 773
- 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,336
- John and Cindy McCain voted,
- and then they landed in Colorado
- 774
- 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,157
- to defend a traditionally
- Republican state
- 775
- 00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:18,673
- that has turned
- into a battleground.
- 776
- 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:19,760
- Hey. Let's see.
- 777
- 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,397
- Obama ahead 67% to 32%...
- 778
- 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,597
- Come on, big ears.
- Check out Florida.
- 779
- 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,876
- Holy shit, he's gonna win it!
- 780
- 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,350
- What, Florida?
- Yeah!
- 781
- 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,431
- That's big. Yeah.
- It's huge!
- 782
- 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,510
- You can act all nonchalant, but I know
- you were starting to root for him.
- 783
- 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,311
- I've been watching
- your inner liberal grow.
- 784
- 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,600
- For which I will take a modest
- percentage of the credit.
- 785
- 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,676
- And you deserve it.
- 786
- 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:55,275
- What is this?
- 787
- 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,588
- In Missouri.
- 788
- 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,354
- 56% for McCain,
- 43% for Obama.
- 789
- 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,950
- Oh, yeah, that. Just... Leave that there.
- That's, uh...
- 790
- 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,040
- Russian hackers.
- The Agency says
- 791
- 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,680
- they can activate
- webcams now. So...
- 792
- 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:10,760
- That's creepy.
- 793
- 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,070
- Yes. It's really
- bothering me.
- 794
- 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,800
- Whatever. It's not a big deal.
- You shouldn't let it bother you.
- 795
- 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,558
- It's not a big deal? No.
- 796
- 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,995
- What, that someone could
- be watching you right now?
- 797
- 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,273
- No, I'm not
- hiding anything.
- 798
- 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,995
- That's such
- a bullshit line. What is?
- 799
- 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,509
- I have nothing to hide.
- I don't.
- 800
- 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,794
- Everyone does.
- 801
- 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,869
- Okay, well then,
- what do I have to hide?
- 802
- 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,710
- Forget it. No,
- what do I have to hide?
- 803
- 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,631
- No, never...
- Let's just drop it.
- 804
- 00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:44,030
- Well, apparently you think that I'm
- hiding something, so...
- 805
- 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,554
- Okay, the other day,
- your computer was open,
- 806
- 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,438
- and I happened to notice you
- were on the site where we met,
- 807
- 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:50,816
- and you were looking
- at other guys.
- 808
- 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,990
- You just were looking
- at my computer?
- 809
- 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,216
- I wouldn't have
- even brought this up.
- 810
- 00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:57,231
- You asked me,
- "What do I have to hide?"
- 811
- 00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,311
- That's something
- you're not telling me.
- 812
- 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,751
- Well, it's not...
- I don't do anything,
- 813
- 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,075
- I don't meet any
- of those people.
- 814
- 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,798
- You're gone for weeks
- at a time.
- 815
- 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,354
- So it's like I'm peering
- into other peoples' lives
- 816
- 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,471
- because my own is
- just temporarily on hold.
- 817
- 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:20,039
- That sounds like
- an excuse.
- 818
- 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,354
- It's the truth.
- 819
- 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,355
- I should have told you.
- And I didn't.
- 820
- 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,069
- I'm really sorry.
- But it's not a big deal.
- 821
- 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:51,920
- Hey.
- 822
- 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,629
- Look at me.
- I don't want anyone else.
- 823
- 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,152
- I don't want
- any other life.
- 824
- 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:10,795
- Okay?
- 825
- 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:26,953
- Listen, uh...
- 826
- 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,510
- I didn't go to London today
- 'cause I resigned.
- 827
- 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:35,749
- What?
- 828
- 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,991
- It was personal differences,
- 829
- 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,150
- and it was a matter
- of principle.
- 830
- 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,872
- Can you tell me
- anything else?
- 831
- 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:47,919
- Do you get
- reposted, or...
- 832
- 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,639
- No, no, I resigned
- from the CIA.
- 833
- 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,151
- So what does
- that mean? What do we do?
- 834
- 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,670
- I don't know. I'll figure
- it out, but listen, I...
- 835
- 00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:03,596
- This is a good thing.
- Trust me.
- 836
- 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,474
- I do.
- 837
- 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:21,838
- Hey.
- Hmm?
- 838
- 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,429
- He's gonna win.
- 839
- 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,656
- 52% for Obama,
- 48% for McCain.
- 840
- 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:27,874
- Yeah, he'd better.
- 841
- 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,073
- CNN can now project that
- Barack Obama, 47 years old,
- 842
- 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,879
- will become the President of the
- United States.
- 843
- 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,950
- Every agency and department
- should know that this administration
- 844
- 00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,314
- stands on the side
- 845
- 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,516
- not of those who seek
- to withhold information,
- 846
- 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,431
- but those who seek
- to make it known.
- 847
- 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,951
- Janine is
- the website editor
- 848
- 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,998
- of a small stateside office
- of a British newspaper,
- 849
- 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,594
- up against the most powerful
- government in the world.
- 850
- 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:56,954
- She won't be bullied.
- 851
- 00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,396
- We need to establish
- that we're not compromising
- 852
- 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,311
- national security
- by publishing.
- 853
- 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:02,958
- We need
- to have alternatives.
- 854
- 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,359
- Listen, Ed,
- 855
- 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,829
- the real issue here is that
- they, the White House,
- 856
- 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,196
- are aware that Janine has a leaked
- top secret FISA court order.
- 857
- 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,474
- Anything could happen.
- 858
- 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,959
- They could subpoena
- the Guardian
- 859
- 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,176
- and, for that matter,
- they could
- 860
- 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,560
- break through
- that door any minute,
- 861
- 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,596
- ending all of this.
- 862
- 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,875
- We are running
- out of time.
- 863
- 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,032
- We seriously have to think about
- doing this on our own website.
- 864
- 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,434
- We have no choice.
- 865
- 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,317
- Wait, you can't just
- start dumping articles
- 866
- 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,237
- on the Internet, Glenn!
- Be serious.
- 867
- 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,993
- Look at WikiLeaks.
- It destroyed their credibility.
- 868
- 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,638
- Look, Ed,
- you said it yourself,
- 869
- 00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:36,156
- if this isn't done properly,
- the world isn't gonna take notice.
- 870
- 00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:39,596
- You need experienced
- journalists to lead the public
- 871
- 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,148
- through some very,
- very complicated stories.
- 872
- 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:43,753
- We are
- experienced journalists.
- 873
- 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:45,673
- My feeling...
- 874
- 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,157
- Has anyone called here before?
- Not once. Not in three weeks.
- 875
- 00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:57,832
- Well, I'll...
- Shall I answer it?
- 876
- 00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,598
- I'll tell 'em it's
- the wrong number.
- 877
- 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,429
- Yes?
- 878
- 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,353
- No, I don't.
- 879
- 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,439
- Okay. Thank you.
- 880
- 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,191
- Asking if I want
- turndown service.
- 881
- 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,748
- She said the "Do not disturb"
- sign was off the door.
- 882
- 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,029
- So?
- 883
- 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:39,312
- Do we wait?
- Or go on our own?
- 884
- 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,240
- Look, I said
- from the beginning
- 885
- 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,312
- that how you publish
- is your business,
- 886
- 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,152
- and I trust you.
- 887
- 00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:49,959
- The only thing I ask is you study
- the data, you be responsible,
- 888
- 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,719
- no names, no specifics,
- anything ongoing
- 889
- 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,950
- that's critical,
- you don't release.
- 890
- 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,429
- You just stick to the issue
- of mass surveillance
- 891
- 00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:58,560
- and let the people decide.
- 892
- 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,800
- You have our word on that, but
- that's not the question. We have to ask...
- 893
- 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,478
- Look, Ed, Ed,
- 894
- 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,949
- right now the White House is
- arranging a conference call
- 895
- 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,110
- between Janine and
- the intelligence services.
- 896
- 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,272
- Now that's gonna happen
- in a few hours.
- 897
- 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,239
- Let's at least wait for that,
- see what they say to her.
- 898
- 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,876
- I'd say we pause a moment.
- 899
- 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:24,616
- Yeah, I think
- we should reassemble
- 900
- 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,176
- in this room after
- the call takes place,
- 901
- 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,829
- so that's around midnight.
- Be noon in New York.
- 902
- 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,113
- All right.
- 903
- 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,509
- I'll take another pass at the
- PRISM story in the meantime.
- 904
- 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,479
- Okay. We'll be in our hotel
- room if you need us, okay?
- 905
- 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:39,560
- Thanks, Ewen.
- 906
- 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:40,789
- Yeah.
- Okay.
- 907
- 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,198
- Uh, do you mind maybe
- we take a break from that?
- 908
- 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,078
- For a second?
- 909
- 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,669
- Oh, yeah. Sure, sorry.
- 910
- 00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,196
- You wanna take a look?
- Might make you feel better.
- 911
- 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,039
- Oh. It's not
- recording, just on standby.
- 912
- 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,473
- Okay.
- 913
- 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,475
- When did this start for you?
- Not wanting your photo taken?
- 914
- 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,149
- Uh, probably in Japan.
- 915
- 00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:15,708
- I remember every time
- a camera got pointed at me,
- 916
- 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,155
- it was like...
- Couldn't breathe.
- 917
- 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,593
- Why was that?
- 918
- 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:25,437
- I probably, uh, spent too much time
- looking at other people through cameras.
- 919
- 00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,869
- Japan was your
- first NSA job, right?
- 920
- 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,909
- Yeah, well, as a contractor with Dell.
- Had a lot of access.
- 921
- 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,391
- Why'd you go
- back after Geneva?
- 922
- 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,149
- 'Cause the money, and 'cause
- I wanted to live in Japan.
- 923
- 00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:44,992
- And because of Obama,
- actually.
- 924
- 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,719
- You know, I thought things were
- gonna get better with him.
- 925
- 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,479
- I was wrong.
- 926
- 00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,200
- What was it like there?
- 927
- 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,236
- Well,
- in the first part of my day,
- 928
- 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,518
- I was building this round-the-clock
- backup system called Epic Shelter.
- 929
- 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,114
- So, if there was
- some catastrophe,
- 930
- 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,078
- say, uh, terrorists
- burned down every embassy
- 931
- 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,720
- and NSA post in
- the Middle East.
- 932
- 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,476
- This program would ensure we
- wouldn't lose any of that data.
- 933
- 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,554
- But then, I would have to put it
- aside when visitors would show up.
- 934
- 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:24,640
- Hi, Ed.
- 935
- 00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:29,510
- NSA wanted to impress the
- Japanese, show them our reach.
- 936
- 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,233
- They loved
- the live drone feeds.
- 937
- 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,470
- This is over Pakistan.
- 938
- 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:37,719
- Right now.
- 939
- 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,995
- They were not as thrilled to
- learn that we wanted them to help us
- 940
- 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,196
- spy on
- the Japanese population.
- 941
- 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,073
- They said it was
- against their laws.
- 942
- 00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:53,390
- Course we tapped
- the entire country anyway.
- 943
- 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,316
- And we didn't stop there,
- 944
- 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,550
- 'cause once we owned
- their communications systems,
- 945
- 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,552
- we started going after
- their physical infrastructure.
- 946
- 00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,918
- We'd slip these little sleeper
- programs into power grids,
- 947
- 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,956
- dams, hospitals,
- 948
- 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,110
- and the idea was
- if the day came
- 949
- 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,589
- when Japan was
- no longer an ally,
- 950
- 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:13,999
- it'd be lights out.
- 951
- 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,474
- And it wasn't
- just the Japanese.
- 952
- 00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,075
- We were planting malware
- in Mexico, Germany,
- 953
- 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,832
- Brazil, Austria.
- 954
- 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,915
- I mean, China I can understand,
- or Russia, or Iran,
- 955
- 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,673
- or Venezuela, okay.
- But Austria?
- 956
- 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,477
- You're also being ordered
- to follow most world leaders
- 957
- 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,152
- and heads of industry.
- 958
- 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,550
- You know, you're tracking
- trade deals, sex scandals,
- 959
- 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,553
- diplomatic cables
- to give the U. S.
- 960
- 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,108
- An advantage in
- negotiations at the G8,
- 961
- 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,795
- or leverage over
- Brazilian oil companies,
- 962
- 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,032
- or helping to oust some third-world
- leader who's not playing ball.
- 963
- 00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,630
- And ultimately,
- the truth sinks in
- 964
- 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,553
- that no matter what justification
- you're selling yourself,
- 965
- 00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,915
- this is not about terrorism.
- 966
- 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,277
- Terrorism is the excuse.
- 967
- 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,950
- This is about economic
- and social control.
- 968
- 00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,074
- And the only thing
- you're really protecting
- 969
- 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,549
- is the supremacy
- of your government.
- 970
- 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,991
- Were you thinking about
- going to journalists then?
- 971
- 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,038
- No. No, that wouldn't have
- occurred to me back then.
- 972
- 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,679
- I just thought, you know,
- the system will self-correct,
- 973
- 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,275
- and the President will keep his
- promise that got him elected...
- 974
- 00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,194
- That's actually when I first started
- reading about you and your films.
- 975
- 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:53,349
- It was in Glenn's blog.
- 976
- 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,512
- You were being detained
- in airports for hours.
- 977
- 00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,434
- Thirty-seven times. For investigating
- your own country's wars.
- 978
- 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:05,111
- That's why I'm going back to Berlin
- to edit. You can trust me with this.
- 979
- 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,790
- I do. Yeah.
- 980
- 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,714
- I haven't trusted
- anyone in years.
- 981
- 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:21,557
- It was a welcome change when they
- put me on terrorism watch duty.
- 982
- 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,915
- Every day, I'd go in and I'd get
- starting points for SIGINT,
- 983
- 00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,634
- which is signals intelligence.
- 984
- 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,914
- A lot of them were American,
- which felt strange,
- 985
- 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,831
- but you just keep
- reminding yourself,
- 986
- 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,913
- I could stop a dirty bomb attack
- and save thousands of lives.
- 987
- 00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,950
- The thing is, you're not just
- following your bad guy targets.
- 988
- 00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,600
- You're also following
- their metadata,
- 989
- 00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,673
- which is basically all the phone
- numbers that they're in touch with.
- 990
- 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,309
- Let's say your target
- is a shady Iranian banker
- 991
- 00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,914
- operating out of Beirut,
- okay.
- 992
- 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,434
- So you're watching his stuff,
- but you're also watching
- 993
- 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,954
- all the people
- that he talks to.
- 994
- 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,634
- Including,
- you know, his cousin,
- 995
- 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,280
- who's just some dentist
- living in Buffalo.
- 996
- 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,158
- And then you have to watch
- all of that guy's contacts.
- 997
- 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,596
- And by the time you go a third hop
- out from the original target,
- 998
- 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:20,198
- you're watching this bartender
- chat with her mother about Botox.
- 999
- 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:25,274
- 'Cause three hops from anyone
- with, say, 40 contacts,
- 1000
- 01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,999
- you're looking at a list
- of 2. 5 million people.
- 1001
- 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,676
- And there's that
- moment when
- 1002
- 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,355
- you're sitting there and
- the scale of it hits you.
- 1003
- 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:41,116
- The NSA is really tracking
- every cell phone in the world.
- 1004
- 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,037
- No matter who you are,
- 1005
- 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,799
- every day of your life,
- you're sitting in a database
- 1006
- 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,474
- just ready
- to be looked at.
- 1007
- 01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:04,672
- And not just terrorists, or
- countries, or corporations, but you.
- 1008
- 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,276
- Was Lindsay with you
- in Japan?
- 1009
- 01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,675
- Japan was difficult
- for us.
- 1010
- 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,636
- I guess you couldn't
- talk about your work.
- 1011
- 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,319
- No.
- 1012
- 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,549
- There was this one night,
- uh, towards the end,
- 1013
- 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,158
- when, uh, we were supposed to go
- climb Mount Fuji the next day...
- 1014
- 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:45,480
- Wow!
- 1015
- 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,868
- Are you gonna
- post that on Twitter?
- 1016
- 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:50,960
- No.
- 1017
- 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,714
- They're just for me.
- What do you think?
- 1018
- 01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,231
- You should delete those.
- 1019
- 01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,079
- That's not quite the artistic
- critique I was going for.
- 1020
- 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,032
- I'm sorry. You just...
- You should...
- 1021
- 01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:04,976
- You can't have stuff like
- that on your hard drive.
- 1022
- 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,035
- Yes, I can.
- 1023
- 01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:10,079
- Can you just please... I'm
- asking you, can you delete them?
- 1024
- 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,159
- Russian hackers again?
- 1025
- 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:13,275
- No...
- 1026
- 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,159
- Is it us?
- 1027
- 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,075
- It's classified.
- 1028
- 01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:23,868
- Am I a target?
- 1029
- 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,188
- Of course not.
- 1030
- 01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,755
- Clearly someone is looking
- at my nude portraits.
- 1031
- 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,717
- Okay. I shouldn't
- have brought it up.
- 1032
- 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,109
- All right? It's issues
- of national security.
- 1033
- 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,350
- Well, I am flattered
- that my boobs
- 1034
- 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,311
- are considered an issue
- of national security,
- 1035
- 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,176
- but you're gonna have to do
- a lot better than that.
- 1036
- 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,668
- I'd rather not talk about stuff
- that could land us in jail.
- 1037
- 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,576
- So that's what
- the Band-Aids are about, then?
- 1038
- 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,431
- And your camera phobia?
- 1039
- 01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:48,714
- Because of work?
- 1040
- 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,113
- Are they watching us?
- 1041
- 01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,478
- Who are they watching?
- No one, okay?
- 1042
- 01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,198
- Let's just stop
- talking about it.
- 1043
- 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,949
- Let's go to bed,
- and wake up in the morning,
- 1044
- 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,635
- and go climb this fucking mountain.
- All right?
- 1045
- 01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,176
- Of course we're not
- gonna talk about it.
- 1046
- 01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:07,474
- What is that
- supposed to mean?
- 1047
- 01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,028
- It means that we don't talk
- about anything anymore.
- 1048
- 01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,354
- You work 12-hour days,
- you come home depressed,
- 1049
- 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,795
- you play fucking video games,
- and then you fall asleep.
- 1050
- 01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,552
- Yeah, I'm tired
- 'cause I have a job.
- 1051
- 01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,039
- That's what pays
- for this apartment
- 1052
- 01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:20,838
- in the most expensive city
- in the world.
- 1053
- 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,151
- Which you asked me to come to knowing
- that I did not have a work visa.
- 1054
- 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,468
- Okay, what if
- you had one?
- 1055
- 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,075
- Would you really give up your
- beautiful life of eating and sleeping
- 1056
- 01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,760
- and going out all the time? You
- think you'd really want a career?
- 1057
- 01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,156
- A career like yours? Where I'm
- miserable all the time? No.
- 1058
- 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,390
- That's called
- responsibility.
- 1059
- 01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,150
- Fuck this.
- 1060
- 01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,071
- You know what?
- You have no fucking idea
- 1061
- 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,833
- what it's like to be accountable
- for other people's lives,
- 1062
- 01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,990
- because you live
- in a fairy tale land
- 1063
- 01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:48,991
- where just there
- are no consequences,
- 1064
- 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:50,672
- and no one ever gets hurt.
- 1065
- 01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:58,071
- No. No,
- you, you don't get hurt.
- 1066
- 01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:00,919
- I get
- fucking crushed.
- 1067
- 01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,837
- Fucking bullshit!
- I've done nothing to you!
- 1068
- 01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,876
- That's exactly right.
- You have done nothing!
- 1069
- 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,990
- You don't hang out with me,
- you don't laugh with me,
- 1070
- 01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,913
- you don't even
- fucking touch me anymore.
- 1071
- 01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:14,388
- I'm sorry.
- Stop!
- 1072
- 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,632
- No!
- 1073
- 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,115
- We, uh, never made it to Mount Fuji.
- 1074
- 01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:37,269
- And Lindsay left pretty
- soon after that, and...
- 1075
- 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,518
- I was really lonely there.
- 1076
- 01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,480
- But after three months, I left too.
- I went back to Maryland.
- 1077
- 01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,232
- And I promised her
- I'd change.
- 1078
- 01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,071
- And, uh, we moved
- back in together.
- 1079
- 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:18,576
- Make
- sure your knees stay bent,
- 1080
- 01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,512
- and then you can fully extend
- once you feel stable. Ready?
- 1081
- 01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,636
- One, two, three.
- 1082
- 01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:25,320
- All the way up.
- 1083
- 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:26,976
- Now you wanna clench
- between your knees.
- 1084
- 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,434
- It'll burn,
- but it's a good burn.
- 1085
- 01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:30,520
- Perfect.
- 1086
- 01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:31,993
- Twirl around.
- 1087
- 01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,830
- Perfect! Oh, my
- God, I'm so proud of you!
- 1088
- 01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,751
- When you're really happy,
- 1089
- 01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,196
- there's a large part of you
- that just wants to stay happy.
- 1090
- 01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,511
- And you start to think, what could
- be more important than this?
- 1091
- 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,193
- What!
- Is it okay?
- 1092
- 01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,036
- Oh, my God.
- It's so beautiful.
- 1093
- 01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,633
- You know, lots of people
- cruise happily through life.
- 1094
- 01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:02,719
- Why can't I?
- 1095
- 01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,278
- And I went back
- to work at the CIA.
- 1096
- 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,032
- With backdoors...
- 1097
- 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,873
- My official title was
- Solutions Consultant.
- 1098
- 01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,037
- Basically I was hawking
- overpriced hardware for a living.
- 1099
- 01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:23,792
- But I thought
- you had resigned?
- 1100
- 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,348
- Yeah, well, it was all
- contract work after Geneva.
- 1101
- 01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,670
- You know,
- it's Booz Allen Hamilton,
- 1102
- 01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,876
- or Dell, in partnership
- 1103
- 01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,997
- with CIA or NSA, DIA.
- 1104
- 01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:38,633
- That's the intelligence
- community's revolving door.
- 1105
- 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,628
- How was it?
- Being back in the States?
- 1106
- 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,669
- It was, uh, it was
- really good to be home.
- 1107
- 01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:53,118
- But Maryland was where things
- started to turn for me.
- 1108
- 01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:58,556
- Every time I felt like I was finally
- letting go of all the anxiety
- 1109
- 01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,234
- and all the questions that
- used to keep me up at night,
- 1110
- 01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:05,233
- I'd learn something else,
- and I just couldn't ignore it.
- 1111
- 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,228
- Like, there were these three
- high-level officials at the NSA,
- 1112
- 01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,039
- Bill Binney, Ed Loomis,
- and Kirk Wiebe.
- 1113
- 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:16,318
- They'd been filing complaints about
- abuse and overreach for years.
- 1114
- 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,188
- That's all they did,
- they just filed complaints,
- 1115
- 01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,431
- and the FBI
- raided their homes.
- 1116
- 01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,073
- Then there was Thomas Drake.
- 1117
- 01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,116
- Like the other three guys,
- Drake was trying
- 1118
- 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,475
- to change things
- from the inside.
- 1119
- 01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,949
- But when nothing worked,
- he did go to the press.
- 1120
- 01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,953
- So they hit him with the Espionage
- Act, and we were shocked.
- 1121
- 01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:37,951
- The whole intel community.
- 1122
- 01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:39,416
- Why do you
- think you were charged?
- 1123
- 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:40,953
- To send a chilling message.
- 1124
- 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:42,360
- To whom?
- 1125
- 01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,000
- To other whistleblowers,
- to others in the government,
- 1126
- 01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,190
- not to speak out.
- 1127
- 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:51,319
- Do not tell truth to power.
- We'll hammer you.
- 1128
- 01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,559
- There's a new
- program being developed
- 1129
- 01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,995
- at the NSA's op
- center on Oahu.
- 1130
- 01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,549
- You'd be going up against
- Chinese cyber divisions.
- 1131
- 01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:04,989
- You interested?
- 1132
- 01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,916
- Won't be the vast sums of
- money you're making now,
- 1133
- 01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,468
- but you'd be performing a critical
- service for your country.
- 1134
- 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:14,879
- I know that's
- important to you.
- 1135
- 01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,269
- You mean service
- like in Geneva?
- 1136
- 01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,193
- Matt was a mistake. Shouldn't
- have pushed you into that.
- 1137
- 01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:21,320
- You didn't push me
- into it.
- 1138
- 01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,516
- I asked for exposure to field
- ops, you gave it to me.
- 1139
- 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,318
- I won't hold that
- against you.
- 1140
- 01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,828
- Is there something
- you do hold against me?
- 1141
- 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,240
- You didn't tell me
- we were running
- 1142
- 01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,510
- a dragnet on
- the whole world, Corbin.
- 1143
- 01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:02,388
- Great shooting, Ed.
- 1144
- 01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:03,799
- Thank you.
- 1145
- 01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:05,838
- That's terrific.
- 1146
- 01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,709
- It's the one thing
- in the Army I was good at.
- 1147
- 01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,438
- You ever think, Ed,
- 1148
- 01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:21,355
- since the Second World War,
- it's been 60 years and still no WW III.
- 1149
- 01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:23,395
- Why?
- 1150
- 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:28,313
- Because we've used our power
- generally for the good of the world.
- 1151
- 01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,918
- For prosperity, order.
- 1152
- 01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:33,878
- How can we defend
- ourselves against
- 1153
- 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,157
- nuclear war, terror attacks,
- cyber-attacks
- 1154
- 01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,629
- without a centralized
- intel factory
- 1155
- 01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,597
- working around the world
- night and day?
- 1156
- 01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,233
- So we should catalogue
- billions of people's lives?
- 1157
- 01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,676
- Most people already catalogue
- their lives for public consumption.
- 1158
- 01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,911
- Well, they catalogue part of their lives,
- and they do it by choice.
- 1159
- 01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,496
- We're not giving them the choice.
- We're just taking everything.
- 1160
- 01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:58,274
- Most Americans don't want freedom,
- they want security.
- 1161
- 01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:00,678
- It's a simple bargain. If...
- 1162
- 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,756
- Good girl! Good girl!
- 1163
- 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:05,352
- If you want to play
- with all the new toys
- 1164
- 01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:08,398
- and be safe, you pay
- the price of admission.
- 1165
- 01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,639
- Yeah, except people,
- 1166
- 01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,536
- they don't even know
- they've made that bargain.
- 1167
- 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,790
- Where's the modern
- battlefield, soldier?
- 1168
- 01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:19,640
- Everywhere.
- 1169
- 01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,349
- What's
- the first rule of battle?
- 1170
- 01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:24,112
- Never reveal
- your position.
- 1171
- 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:29,870
- And if one unauthorized person knew?
- If Congress knew?
- 1172
- 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:31,712
- So would the enemy.
- 1173
- 01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,839
- That, Mr. Snowden,
- is the state of the world.
- 1174
- 01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,589
- Secrecy is security,
- and security is victory.
- 1175
- 01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:48,878
- Thank you, sir.
- 1176
- 01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:51,708
- Someone I want you
- to meet.
- 1177
- 01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,816
- Beautiful day for it, wasn't it?
- Perfect weather.
- 1178
- 01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,308
- Mr. Lowell. Jim.
- 1179
- 01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,756
- How are you?
- Dorian.
- 1180
- 01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,193
- Alan.
- Nice to see you.
- 1181
- 01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:01,395
- Welcome to the U.S.
- 1182
- 01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:03,038
- How'd you make
- out today, Corbin?
- 1183
- 01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,958
- Uh, very mediocre.
- Nothing like Ed here.
- 1184
- 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,393
- Apparently the Army's training
- people to shoot straight.
- 1185
- 01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:11,277
- So this is Ed Snowden.
- 1186
- 01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:12,560
- Yes, sir.
- Pleasure to meet you.
- 1187
- 01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,069
- The brains behind Epic Shelter.
- That's right.
- 1188
- 01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:16,496
- That's brilliant work.
- Thank you, sir.
- 1189
- 01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,016
- Yeah, I had a few questions
- I wanted to ask you.
- 1190
- 01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,873
- Uh, Jim. Will you
- excuse me, gentlemen?
- 1191
- 01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:22,719
- Excuse me, Alan.
- Nice to meet you.
- 1192
- 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:27,991
- Yeah, it's proving very useful
- to our UAV program.
- 1193
- 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,277
- Yes, I heard. With foreign
- site intel transfer.
- 1194
- 01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:32,952
- Transfers happen
- on collection now.
- 1195
- 01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,350
- They go straight to the Pentagon,
- Mossad if they need it.
- 1196
- 01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,193
- Actionable immediately.
- No one sees it.
- 1197
- 01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:40,634
- It's improved
- the response time
- 1198
- 01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:42,597
- of our drone pilots
- by a factor of ten.
- 1199
- 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,636
- Tell me, Ed. You worked signals
- intelligence in Japan too, yes?
- 1200
- 01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:47,789
- Yes, sir.
- 1201
- 01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:49,632
- How'd you like it?
- 1202
- 01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:53,235
- It was a very empowering job, sir.
- 1203
- 01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:57,512
- With this new job in Hawaii,
- you'd have even more access.
- 1204
- 01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,718
- I asked Corbin to start the conversation.
- But the offer is mine.
- 1205
- 01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,352
- Take your time.
- 1206
- 01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:06,616
- It's going to
- take a few months
- 1207
- 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,949
- to get this program
- on its feet.
- 1208
- 01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,679
- If you'll excuse me,
- gentlemen, I see dinner.
- 1209
- 01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,597
- Beer, sir?
- Thank you.
- 1210
- 01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,077
- Sir, for you?
- Uh, no, thank you.
- 1211
- 01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,796
- Epic Shelter was meant
- as a backup program.
- 1212
- 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,516
- Lowell is creating
- this position for you, Ed.
- 1213
- 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,194
- You'd be the first contractor
- outside Fort Meade
- 1214
- 01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:33,918
- working counter-cyber.
- 1215
- 01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,190
- It's your ticket to the top.
- 1216
- 01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,016
- Do you believe the United States
- 1217
- 01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:51,996
- is the greatest country
- in the world?
- 1218
- 01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:53,718
- Yes.
- 1219
- 01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:56,296
- Have you ever used
- 1220
- 01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,993
- any programs
- you were unauthorized for?
- 1221
- 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:05,995
- No.
- 1222
- 01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:21,193
- We're not usually
- supposed to submit our own work,
- 1223
- 01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,556
- but my editor said
- she'd make an exception.
- 1224
- 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:25,675
- Pretty neat, huh?
- 1225
- 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,150
- I get to
- submit an entry.
- 1226
- 01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,954
- You ignoring me
- on purpose, or what?
- 1227
- 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,554
- No. Sorry.
- Shit. Uh...
- 1228
- 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,355
- I was just thinking.
- 1229
- 01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:45,674
- About what?
- 1230
- 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,349
- I wanted to talk to you
- about it at dinner,
- 1231
- 01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:55,670
- but let's just...
- Will you come sit down?
- 1232
- 01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,230
- Is everything okay?
- 1233
- 01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:00,514
- Yeah.
- 1234
- 01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:02,788
- Um...
- 1235
- 01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:07,519
- The, uh, Deputy Director
- of the NSA...
- 1236
- 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,079
- Hmm?
- 1237
- 01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,390
- He offered me
- a new position.
- 1238
- 01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,518
- And, uh, that was a while back,
- and now they need an answer.
- 1239
- 01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,870
- Well, is it something
- you want to do?
- 1240
- 01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,077
- I'd be good at it.
- 1241
- 01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,508
- Can you tell me anything about it?
- 1242
- 01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:27,552
- You know I can't.
- 1243
- 01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,473
- I know. Mission first.
- 1244
- 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,234
- Well, are there social perks?
- White House galas, maybe?
- 1245
- 01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:39,433
- The position
- is in Hawaii.
- 1246
- 01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,278
- We worked really hard
- to get where we're at.
- 1247
- 01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,951
- And you're willing to
- just rip it all up again?
- 1248
- 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:56,917
- Like we finally have
- a house that we love,
- 1249
- 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:58,831
- and a job that I like,
- and real friends,
- 1250
- 01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:00,920
- and we're close to our families.
- I... I understand.
- 1251
- 01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,878
- And if you want to stay,
- then we're staying.
- 1252
- 01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:05,515
- That's it.
- 1253
- 01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,416
- Don't just say that
- 'cause I wanna hear it.
- 1254
- 01:15:08,440 --> 01:15:09,440
- I'm not.
- 1255
- 01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,075
- I let you go once,
- I'm not gonna do it again.
- 1256
- 01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:25,791
- Shit. I'm sorry.
- The pasta.
- 1257
- 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,520
- It's gonna... One sec.
- 1258
- 01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,376
- You know, I think I actually
- came pretty close
- 1259
- 01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,436
- to getting it
- right this time.
- 1260
- 01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:44,273
- I'll get some candles.
- 1261
- 01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,153
- Oh, my God! Ed! Ed! Ed!
- 1262
- 01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:44,713
- I know Tegretol.
- 1263
- 01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,936
- I know it slows you down,
- 'cause I've seen it in my mom.
- 1264
- 01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,679
- She's taken all kinds
- of medications her whole life.
- 1265
- 01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,714
- Well, they work
- in 70% of cases.
- 1266
- 01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,431
- Ed, epilepsy is
- a serious condition.
- 1267
- 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,432
- If you have a seizure
- driving yourself,
- 1268
- 01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,636
- or with someone else
- in the car,
- 1269
- 01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:08,110
- or you're in a place
- where you could fall,
- 1270
- 01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,714
- this is not something
- to be lightly regarded.
- 1271
- 01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,553
- It's essential you commit
- yourself to this medication.
- 1272
- 01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:17,314
- Okay?
- 1273
- 01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:20,349
- Yeah.
- 1274
- 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,113
- After you.
- Oh, thank you.
- 1275
- 01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:34,313
- I've been thinking about
- what the doctor said.
- 1276
- 01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:35,913
- About less stress.
- 1277
- 01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,556
- A warmer climate
- could help.
- 1278
- 01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:47,913
- If Hawaii is something
- that we decide
- 1279
- 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:51,197
- would be better
- for you, I'll go.
- 1280
- 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,354
- Janine, how'd the White
- House conversation go?
- 1281
- 01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:12,496
- I made it quite clear
- 1282
- 01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,432
- that we were in possession of
- an authentic FISA court order.
- 1283
- 01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,988
- They wanted to see it.
- We refused.
- 1284
- 01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,435
- Now I just pray that
- it's actually authentic.
- 1285
- 01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:23,678
- Are you actually
- questioning that?
- 1286
- 01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,598
- Glenn, no one has ever seen
- a FISA court order.
- 1287
- 01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,358
- There's no precedent here.
- 1288
- 01:18:28,440 --> 01:18:31,398
- Our source risked his life
- for that document. It's real.
- 1289
- 01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:35,675
- T ell us, did the White House
- make any specific claims
- 1290
- 01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:39,116
- about national security that would
- prevent you from publishing?
- 1291
- 01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:44,999
- No. I asked them repeatedly, and
- they had no substantive answer.
- 1292
- 01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:46,456
- Then, there you go!
- What more do you want?
- 1293
- 01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:48,232
- You can go out and
- know that you're safe.
- 1294
- 01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:52,313
- Glenn, I'd like to talk to
- Alan before we go any further.
- 1295
- 01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:53,435
- When does he land?
- 1296
- 01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:54,776
- In six hours.
- 1297
- 01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,792
- No. Absolutely not!
- We're sitting ducks here, Janine.
- 1298
- 01:18:58,320 --> 01:18:59,639
- It's 1:00 p.m.
- in New York.
- 1299
- 01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:01,456
- If you don't get this out
- in the next four hours,
- 1300
- 01:19:01,480 --> 01:19:03,296
- you'll miss the evening news
- on the East Coast.
- 1301
- 01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,788
- But we can post
- later tonight.
- 1302
- 01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:08,320
- I'm sorry, Glenn.
- 1303
- 01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,641
- But Alan's our editor-in-chief,
- and I really think that...
- 1304
- 01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,478
- Bullshit! The government knows
- that we have these documents now.
- 1305
- 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,910
- The CIA could barge through this door
- any minute, and you want more time!
- 1306
- 01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,838
- Act like a fucking journalist
- and stop stringing us along!
- 1307
- 01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,071
- I just stood my ground
- with the goddamn White House!
- 1308
- 01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:25,434
- I've risked my career!
- 1309
- 01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,480
- How dare you question
- my commitment to this story!
- 1310
- 01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:28,936
- Okay, let's just
- keep our voices down...
- 1311
- 01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:30,176
- No, you're right.
- I am questioning it.
- 1312
- 01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,509
- This is absolutely
- inappropriate.
- 1313
- 01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,356
- We are publishing ourselves.
- You're out.
- 1314
- 01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:47,109
- All right, Glenn.
- 1315
- 01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,509
- We'll have it ready
- by 4:00 p.m.
- 1316
- 01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,033
- I have to go over the
- story once more. Why?
- 1317
- 01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,919
- Because it still
- needs editing, damn you.
- 1318
- 01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,912
- All this fucking intelligence
- jargon is hurting our brains.
- 1319
- 01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,675
- This PRISM story is
- still incomprehensible.
- 1320
- 01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,239
- PRISM is the second story,
- Janine.
- 1321
- 01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,157
- Verizon is the first story.
- 1322
- 01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,794
- Have it ready to post by 4:00 p. m.,
- 5:00 at the latest.
- 1323
- 01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:10,108
- Ugh...
- 1324
- 01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:11,475
- No games, or we're gone.
- 1325
- 01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,313
- So, my new job
- was counter-spying
- 1326
- 01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:44,235
- on the Chinese at the NSA Regional
- Cryptological Center on Oahu.
- 1327
- 01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,595
- Hi. You mind placing your
- bag down there, sir?
- 1328
- 01:20:50,440 --> 01:20:53,432
- No personal laptops,
- no USB sticks, no cell phones,
- 1329
- 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:54,953
- no electronic devices
- of any kind?
- 1330
- 01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:56,109
- No, sir.
- 1331
- 01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:05,915
- Thank you.
- 1332
- 01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:11,235
- Thank you.
- 1333
- 01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:18,552
- Snow White!
- Is that you?
- 1334
- 01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:21,040
- Gabriel?
- 1335
- 01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,475
- Dude, what the hell are you doing here?
- Wow!
- 1336
- 01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:24,595
- That's amazing.
- 1337
- 01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:25,715
- Oh, man.
- 1338
- 01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:27,109
- What, do you work here?
- 1339
- 01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:31,637
- Yeah, yeah. Uh, three years,
- two months, and five days.
- 1340
- 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:34,871
- But who's counting, right?
- Yeah.
- 1341
- 01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:38,236
- It's like who knew a secret
- underground World War II-era base
- 1342
- 01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,456
- would become munchie heaven
- for a thousand geeks, right?
- 1343
- 01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:42,040
- So there's good pizza?
- Good pizza, yeah.
- 1344
- 01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:43,080
- That's important.
- 1345
- 01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:44,718
- Elevator's slow
- as shit, though.
- 1346
- 01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:45,800
- Jesus.
- 1347
- 01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,160
- It's something
- else, huh?
- 1348
- 01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:52,270
- Yeah. So, uh, what deck
- are you working on?
- 1349
- 01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,999
- You NTOC or ROC?
- 1350
- 01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,912
- Between you and me? NTOC.
- 1351
- 01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:02,513
- Cool. You get to
- hack the hackers.
- 1352
- 01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:03,828
- You're coming up
- in the world.
- 1353
- 01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,234
- Fresh brains for you, Trevor.
- 1354
- 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,515
- Trevor James, Interactive
- Ops Division Chief.
- 1355
- 01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:19,600
- Ed Snowden.
- 1356
- 01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,194
- I've been briefed.
- Next door is NTOC.
- 1357
- 01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,190
- Defense. That's where
- you'll be working.
- 1358
- 01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,230
- Over here we have ROC,
- our offense.
- 1359
- 01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,430
- Now I move between the two.
- We run a tight ship here, Snowden.
- 1360
- 01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:33,873
- Yes, sir.
- 1361
- 01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:35,188
- You'll be working
- with Haynes.
- 1362
- 01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:36,713
- Hey. Patrick Haynes.
- 1363
- 01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:38,176
- Hey. Nice to meet you.
- Good to have you.
- 1364
- 01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:39,428
- You watch out for him.
- 1365
- 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,336
- That's the smartest guy
- in the building right here.
- 1366
- 01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:42,360
- Come on.
- 1367
- 01:22:42,440 --> 01:22:44,016
- Bro, how many languages
- you speak, again?
- 1368
- 01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:47,032
- I mean, seven in code,
- six spoken, two signs.
- 1369
- 01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:48,120
- That's cool.
- 1370
- 01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,233
- Great. Another language
- I can't understand.
- 1371
- 01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:57,673
- Uh, I'll check you
- later, Ed.
- 1372
- 01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:58,829
- Okay. See you.
- 1373
- 01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:04,593
- Wait for it.
- 1374
- 01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,230
- Any moment.
- 1375
- 01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:12,080
- We got 'em.
- 1376
- 01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:13,760
- Lights over
- Waziristan, gentlemen.
- 1377
- 01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:15,109
- Way to go.
- 1378
- 01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,919
- So what exactly do we
- contribute to this?
- 1379
- 01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:19,696
- The underside of
- that Reaper drone
- 1380
- 01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:21,472
- is fixed with
- a big-ass antenna,
- 1381
- 01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:24,319
- snarfing the hardware ID
- of anything that broadcasts.
- 1382
- 01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,675
- We do the geolocator.
- 1383
- 01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:27,936
- My friend Tasha
- here at the Air Force
- 1384
- 01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:29,598
- rains hellfire.
- There she is now.
- 1385
- 01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:31,920
- Hey, Trev.
- You likin' the show?
- 1386
- 01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,470
- You know it. We track 'em,
- you whack 'em.
- 1387
- 01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,392
- And who
- did we just track?
- 1388
- 01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:38,752
- Not who, what.
- 1389
- 01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:41,991
- We're targeting bad guys' cell phones.
- Sometimes the SIM card.
- 1390
- 01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,509
- Okay, and how do we
- know the bad guy
- 1391
- 01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,192
- is in possession of
- the bad cell phone
- 1392
- 01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:47,429
- when we strike?
- 1393
- 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:48,555
- Well, we don't...
- 1394
- 01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,638
- Course we do. JSOC and CIA have
- their people in the field.
- 1395
- 01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:54,479
- What's the program name?
- 1396
- 01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:56,839
- Epic Shelter.
- 1397
- 01:23:56,920 --> 01:24:00,071
- It was originally some
- backup program for, um...
- 1398
- 01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:02,549
- Catastrophic site failure.
- 1399
- 01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:04,636
- Yeah. How did
- you know that?
- 1400
- 01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,035
- I built it.
- 1401
- 01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:08,474
- You?
- Yeah.
- 1402
- 01:24:09,480 --> 01:24:11,376
- You know I've actually...
- I've been thinking about, uh,
- 1403
- 01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,550
- another use
- for Epic Shelter.
- 1404
- 01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:14,675
- What'd you have
- in mind?
- 1405
- 01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,596
- Well, I was chatting
- with Jim Lowell
- 1406
- 01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:18,736
- about how there's
- so many programs...
- 1407
- 01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:19,795
- Deputy Director Lowell?
- 1408
- 01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,030
- Yeah. Yeah.
- 1409
- 01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,355
- And we were saying there's
- so many programs nowadays,
- 1410
- 01:24:24,440 --> 01:24:26,536
- it's kind of impossible to keep
- track of them anymore, right?
- 1411
- 01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,233
- So why not create
- a centralized database.
- 1412
- 01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:31,073
- Ah. Like an index.
- 1413
- 01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:33,469
- Yeah, exactly. Something
- that updates in real time,
- 1414
- 01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,269
- you know, we've already got Epic
- Shelter collecting our finished intel.
- 1415
- 01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,830
- We just need a web portal to
- catalogue it, make it searchable.
- 1416
- 01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:43,359
- Let me think about it.
- 1417
- 01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:45,431
- In any case, I'd have to
- run it past Fort Meade.
- 1418
- 01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:46,555
- Of course.
- 1419
- 01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:47,789
- Did you have a name?
- 1420
- 01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:50,995
- Yeah, if it's not taken,
- I'd call it Heartbeat.
- 1421
- 01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:56,199
- - Heartbeat.
- - Six, five, four,
- 1422
- 01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,676
- three, two, one...
- 1423
- 01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,079
- Engage target.
- 1424
- 01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:17,593
- You okay down there?
- 1425
- 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:19,835
- Yep.
- 1426
- 01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:23,353
- See, this is why I keep saying
- we need to hike more.
- 1427
- 01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:25,475
- You're right.
- 1428
- 01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:27,029
- Hey, can you look at me?
- 1429
- 01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:28,120
- Oh!
- 1430
- 01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,348
- Come on. It's been years.
- 1431
- 01:25:31,480 --> 01:25:34,358
- By social media standards,
- you don't even exist anymore.
- 1432
- 01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:36,029
- Just one.
- 1433
- 01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,121
- Okay, smile. Show me your teeth!
- 1434
- 01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,479
- My elusive E,
- finally captured.
- 1435
- 01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:46,437
- So now I'm
- a viable boyfriend?
- 1436
- 01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:47,714
- Yes.
- 1437
- 01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:53,039
- Such a shame, you used to be
- such a cute little model.
- 1438
- 01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:54,155
- Little?
- Yeah.
- 1439
- 01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:56,356
- Was I little?
- Wait!
- 1440
- 01:25:58,560 --> 01:25:59,913
- Stop!
- 1441
- 01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:03,796
- Oh, my God.
- What?
- 1442
- 01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:05,831
- Think you got some sun!
- 1443
- 01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:07,990
- I'm serious,
- it looks good!
- 1444
- 01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:09,433
- Well, that's impossible.
- 1445
- 01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:14,195
- Hey, um, I've been meaning
- to ask you, by the way.
- 1446
- 01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:15,599
- Did you switch
- pharmacies?
- 1447
- 01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:20,036
- 'Cause I tried to pick up
- your prescription,
- 1448
- 01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,431
- and I couldn't.
- 1449
- 01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:24,748
- Why did you do that?
- 1450
- 01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,710
- Uh, because I was there and
- thought it would be helpful.
- 1451
- 01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:44,991
- I stopped taking
- the Tegretol.
- 1452
- 01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,439
- What? When?
- 1453
- 01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,192
- A couple months ago.
- 1454
- 01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:52,416
- And you're just
- now telling me?
- 1455
- 01:26:52,440 --> 01:26:54,192
- I wanted to tell you.
- 1456
- 01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:57,556
- I did, I just... I can't take
- that stuff, it makes me groggy,
- 1457
- 01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:00,108
- and I need to be
- sharp for work.
- 1458
- 01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:01,838
- I need to be on the
- ball all the time.
- 1459
- 01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:03,096
- What is it about
- this fucking job
- 1460
- 01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,588
- that makes it more
- important than your life?
- 1461
- 01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:08,314
- I don't understand.
- 1462
- 01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:09,719
- Our government...
- 1463
- 01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:13,799
- Our government, what?
- 1464
- 01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:18,110
- Our government is hemorrhaging
- billions of dollars
- 1465
- 01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,714
- every year
- to Chinese hackers.
- 1466
- 01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,314
- And I've been hired
- to shut them down.
- 1467
- 01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,788
- A lot of people
- are depending on me.
- 1468
- 01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:31,831
- More so than
- anyone else?
- 1469
- 01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:34,480
- Yes.
- 1470
- 01:27:37,480 --> 01:27:41,155
- No, this is bullshit.
- 1471
- 01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:48,718
- We didn't come to Hawaii
- for you to heal, did we?
- 1472
- 01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,195
- There was never gonna be
- a less stressful job out here.
- 1473
- 01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,113
- Look, I feel like
- I'm made to do this.
- 1474
- 01:27:55,200 --> 01:28:00,149
- And if I don't do it, then I don't
- know anybody else that can.
- 1475
- 01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:07,515
- It's like I'm on a trajectory
- that I can't turn back from.
- 1476
- 01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:12,159
- You can
- always turn back.
- 1477
- 01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:17,936
- What I wanted to see
- 1478
- 01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,396
- is if you could give me a yes
- or no answer to the question,
- 1479
- 01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:25,871
- "Does the NSA collect
- any type of data at all
- 1480
- 01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,396
- "on millions or hundreds
- of millions of Americans?"
- 1481
- 01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:31,549
- No, sir.
- 1482
- 01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:33,633
- It does not?
- 1483
- 01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:36,799
- Not wittingly.
- 1484
- 01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,474
- There are cases where
- they could inadvertently,
- 1485
- 01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,437
- perhaps, uh, collect,
- 1486
- 01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:43,112
- but not wittingly.
- 1487
- 01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:44,394
- Oh, really?
- 1488
- 01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:46,496
- Thank you, and
- I'll have additional questions
- 1489
- 01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:48,397
- to give you in writing
- on that point.
- 1490
- 01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:51,073
- Okay, so, uh,
- 1491
- 01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,390
- what I wanted to
- show you guys is, um,
- 1492
- 01:28:53,480 --> 01:28:56,995
- the slide I ran across while
- building this indexing program.
- 1493
- 01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:58,435
- And what is this?
- 1494
- 01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:00,318
- Okay. So, this is
- data collection
- 1495
- 01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,311
- for the month of March
- 1496
- 01:29:02,440 --> 01:29:04,670
- worldwide,
- emails and Skype calls.
- 1497
- 01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:11,074
- So France, 70 million.
- Germany, 500 million. Brazil, two billion.
- 1498
- 01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:13,836
- Inside the U.S.,
- 1499
- 01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,151
- 3.1 billion emails and calls.
- 1500
- 01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:19,595
- That's not including any of
- the telecom company data.
- 1501
- 01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:21,640
- Okay, so what's
- the collection in Russia?
- 1502
- 01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:25,635
- Russia
- is 1.5 billion.
- 1503
- 01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:27,358
- Wait, so we're collecting
- twice as much
- 1504
- 01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:29,032
- in the U.S.
- as we are in Russia?
- 1505
- 01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:30,256
- Yeah, I figured it
- was a lot, but...
- 1506
- 01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:32,510
- This shit
- is out of hand, man.
- 1507
- 01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,670
- Wait. Have you shown
- this to anyone else?
- 1508
- 01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:36,518
- No, you guys
- are the first.
- 1509
- 01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:38,835
- Yeah, yeah, you know,
- I'd be careful about that.
- 1510
- 01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:40,936
- You know, it could seem
- like you're rocking the boat.
- 1511
- 01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,016
- Yeah, you're right.
- 1512
- 01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:44,235
- No, I just, uh,
- I needed to know
- 1513
- 01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,629
- if I was the only one that
- thought this was crazy.
- 1514
- 01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:48,713
- What the fuck's
- going on?
- 1515
- 01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:49,835
- Hey, Trev.
- 1516
- 01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:50,960
- What are you doing
- in here?
- 1517
- 01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:52,336
- It's nothing.
- I was just showing them
- 1518
- 01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:54,794
- this one slide,
- I needed some input.
- 1519
- 01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:55,995
- Why the heat map?
- 1520
- 01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:57,718
- It's my bad, Trev.
- 1521
- 01:29:57,800 --> 01:29:59,791
- I made a bet with Ed
- about which country
- 1522
- 01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:02,474
- we were collecting
- the most signals from.
- 1523
- 01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:04,471
- He said Iran,
- I said Pakistan.
- 1524
- 01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:06,993
- Who won?
- 1525
- 01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:08,755
- Ed.
- 1526
- 01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,630
- Yeah, I need to
- head out. I'll see you guys.
- 1527
- 01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:14,976
- You're going
- down next time, man.
- 1528
- 01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:16,115
- Yeah, okay.
- 1529
- 01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:18,918
- No more bets.
- 1530
- 01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,000
- And I don't want anyone
- unauthorized in here again.
- 1531
- 01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:22,513
- Especially not
- with Heartbeat.
- 1532
- 01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,318
- You're right.
- Won't happen again.
- 1533
- 01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:40,353
- Happy birthday!
- 1534
- 01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:48,560
- In Vegas,
- looking at Afghanistan.
- 1535
- 01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:50,756
- So we're running late hours.
- 1536
- 01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,633
- So this blurry object comes
- wandering into the strike zone.
- 1537
- 01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:56,237
- We all knew
- that it was a kid.
- 1538
- 01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:57,520
- Poof.
- 1539
- 01:30:57,920 --> 01:30:58,920
- He's gone.
- 1540
- 01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,280
- We called in for clarification,
- and the report came back
- 1541
- 01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,078
- that it was a dog.
- 1542
- 01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:06,233
- Okay. Fine.
- 1543
- 01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:10,998
- Shift's long, day and night.
- I don't remember.
- 1544
- 01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:13,992
- But same village,
- two, three days later.
- 1545
- 01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:15,354
- We see the funeral party.
- 1546
- 01:31:15,440 --> 01:31:17,635
- We knew it was a kid
- that they were burying.
- 1547
- 01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:19,915
- Moms and dads wailing.
- 1548
- 01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,719
- And then the order comes down.
- Pretty clear. Hit 'em.
- 1549
- 01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:24,400
- Poof.
- 1550
- 01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,478
- And they are gone
- in a cloud of dust.
- 1551
- 01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,160
- I mean, all of them.
- The whole fuckin' family.
- 1552
- 01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:38,791
- But the crazy thing is,
- 1553
- 01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:40,711
- you come home after work,
- 1554
- 01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:44,918
- kiss your wife, your kids,
- back to work the next day.
- 1555
- 01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:50,160
- Pretty soon, you know,
- it just all becomes routine.
- 1556
- 01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:54,513
- Fuck that.
- 1557
- 01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:58,388
- You make it sound criminal, man.
- It's war. It's a job.
- 1558
- 01:31:58,480 --> 01:32:02,109
- Oh, I don't know, man. You
- saying jobs can't be criminal?
- 1559
- 01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,320
- Not if you're working
- for the government.
- 1560
- 01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:07,753
- You ever hear about
- the Nuremberg trials, Trev?
- 1561
- 01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:10,358
- They weren't that long ago.
- 1562
- 01:32:10,440 --> 01:32:13,512
- Yeah. And we hung
- the Nazi big shots, right?
- 1563
- 01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:16,515
- Yeah, well, the big shots
- were the first trial,
- 1564
- 01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:20,513
- but then the next trial
- were just the judges,
- 1565
- 01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,592
- and lawyers,
- and policemen, and guards,
- 1566
- 01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:28,276
- and ordinary people just doing
- their jobs, following orders.
- 1567
- 01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:31,596
- That's where we got
- the Nuremberg principles,
- 1568
- 01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:35,798
- which then the UN made
- into international law,
- 1569
- 01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:40,351
- just in case ordinary jobs
- become criminal again.
- 1570
- 01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:44,914
- Just sayin'.
- 1571
- 01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:58,136
- That's gotta
- wake you up. You okay?
- 1572
- 01:32:58,160 --> 01:32:59,593
- See, I told you
- not to grab my hand.
- 1573
- 01:33:12,440 --> 01:33:13,873
- Fucking touch me
- anymore.
- 1574
- 01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:32,670
- - Dude! Dude, are you okay?
- - Oh, my God.
- 1575
- 01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:34,193
- Ed, are you okay?
- 1576
- 01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:36,077
- Are you okay, man?
- I think he's having a...
- 1577
- 01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:37,872
- Get away,
- don't touch him.
- 1578
- 01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:40,160
- - Don't touch him, don't touch him.
- - Don't...
- 1579
- 01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:12,553
- Hey, Ed. How are you?
- How's your health?
- 1580
- 01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:15,116
- Hey, Corbin. Uh...
- 1581
- 01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:19,954
- It's fine.
- Thanks for asking.
- 1582
- 01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,919
- Must be nerve-wracking
- living with that condition.
- 1583
- 01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:27,231
- You wouldn't know it
- to look at your numbers.
- 1584
- 01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:30,392
- Two hundred Chinese IPs down
- in your first four months.
- 1585
- 01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,553
- Those are, uh,
- internal numbers.
- 1586
- 01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:39,235
- Your colleague, Trevor,
- comes out of the CIA like you.
- 1587
- 01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:43,114
- He's been, uh, keeping me
- informed on your progress.
- 1588
- 01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:48,751
- It's outstanding work.
- Heartbeat as well.
- 1589
- 01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:52,552
- Thank you. Thanks.
- That means a lot.
- 1590
- 01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:55,757
- Lowell is very pleased.
- He, uh, sends his regards.
- 1591
- 01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:57,628
- That's great to hear.
- 1592
- 01:34:58,680 --> 01:34:59,954
- He, um...
- 1593
- 01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:06,718
- He doesn't know about
- your heat map conversations,
- 1594
- 01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:09,951
- or some of the ideas you've
- expressed to your colleagues.
- 1595
- 01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:12,119
- And he's not going to.
- 1596
- 01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:14,633
- Yeah. Uh...
- 1597
- 01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:19,473
- You know, Heartbeat
- is proving a tricky project.
- 1598
- 01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:21,516
- Collating from
- multiple agencies,
- 1599
- 01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:24,068
- and knowing
- where to pull from.
- 1600
- 01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:27,357
- It has helped to talk
- it over with colleagues.
- 1601
- 01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:30,233
- I believe in you, Ed.
- 1602
- 01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:35,156
- Which is why nothing happened to
- you after the derog in Geneva.
- 1603
- 01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:38,799
- And I'm very grateful
- you've looked out for me.
- 1604
- 01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:39,989
- Or after you, uh,
- 1605
- 01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:45,078
- omitted the truth
- in your last polygraph.
- 1606
- 01:35:47,480 --> 01:35:50,040
- What was it you were
- withholding exactly?
- 1607
- 01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:51,915
- Hmm?
- 1608
- 01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:58,439
- You remember
- that day in class,
- 1609
- 01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:01,273
- you were talking to us
- about the FISA Court?
- 1610
- 01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:06,355
- You said that they approved
- Bush's wiretapping programs.
- 1611
- 01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:11,191
- Sometimes we're restricted
- from telling the whole truth.
- 1612
- 01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:15,270
- Doesn't give us
- permission to lie.
- 1613
- 01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:17,431
- Come on, Corbin,
- 1614
- 01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,557
- the Director of National
- Intelligence just lied to Congress!
- 1615
- 01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:25,195
- Sorry.
- 1616
- 01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:31,713
- Look at me.
- 1617
- 01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:41,273
- Did you access
- an unauthorized program
- 1618
- 01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,874
- that I did not know about?
- 1619
- 01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:51,199
- Yes.
- 1620
- 01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:53,999
- It was, uh...
- 1621
- 01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:56,797
- It was at Geneva.
- It was Lindsay.
- 1622
- 01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,154
- I was jealous.
- 1623
- 01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:02,240
- And I'm sorry.
- I never did it again.
- 1624
- 01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:17,240
- Listen, Ed.
- 1625
- 01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:24,675
- I know it's been up and down with
- you and Lindsay since Geneva.
- 1626
- 01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:29,672
- It's tough to keep any relationship going.
- Few of us do.
- 1627
- 01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:35,151
- So, if it'll give you any peace
- of mind, I can assure you,
- 1628
- 01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:39,870
- she's not sleeping with that
- photographer friend of hers.
- 1629
- 01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:42,077
- If that's what
- you're thinking.
- 1630
- 01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:47,678
- I have to go to
- a Five Eyes conference
- 1631
- 01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:49,478
- in Sydney in
- a couple of weeks.
- 1632
- 01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:51,790
- I'll stop off in Hawaii
- on the way back.
- 1633
- 01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:54,754
- Okay?
- 1634
- 01:37:56,440 --> 01:37:59,193
- Okay. Thank you.
- 1635
- 01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:02,959
- I'll see you soon.
- 1636
- 01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:20,394
- Hey, Dad.
- 1637
- 01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:25,073
- Good. Did you get the e-mail
- that I sent you with the photos?
- 1638
- 01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:27,760
- Uh-huh.
- 1639
- 01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:31,320
- Well, I was hoping that
- you could send me some...
- 1640
- 01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:41,995
- What are you doing?
- 1641
- 01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:05,240
- Sit down.
- 1642
- 01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:14,352
- Your e-mail is
- being monitored.
- 1643
- 01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:17,195
- So?
- 1644
- 01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:18,955
- No, it's different now.
- 1645
- 01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,508
- It's not passive collection,
- it's full-take surveillance.
- 1646
- 01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:25,474
- It's all of your e-mails, calls,
- texts, social media, everything.
- 1647
- 01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:29,997
- It's also possible
- that the house is bugged.
- 1648
- 01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:31,428
- I'm not sure.
- 1649
- 01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:33,235
- By who?
- 1650
- 01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:37,398
- By a senior officer
- at the CIA.
- 1651
- 01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:40,994
- You in trouble?
- Is it the Chinese thing?
- 1652
- 01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:46,429
- Look, there's things
- that I wish I could tell you,
- 1653
- 01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:50,399
- but I can't because
- you could get very hurt.
- 1654
- 01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:53,798
- What's keeping you safe is
- that you don't know anything.
- 1655
- 01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:03,950
- I'm sorry, I really am.
- I didn't want any of this for you.
- 1656
- 01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:10,436
- But I know you would think
- I was doing the right thing.
- 1657
- 01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:18,311
- So just listen to me
- for a sec, okay?
- 1658
- 01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:21,472
- When we go back in the house,
- everything has to appear normal.
- 1659
- 01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:23,676
- We're gonna act like
- nothing has changed,
- 1660
- 01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:26,194
- but if you do notice
- something that's weird,
- 1661
- 01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:28,111
- you need to
- tell me right away.
- 1662
- 01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:31,596
- And you're gonna use an encrypted
- e-mail that I'm setting up for you.
- 1663
- 01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:34,035
- Oh, my God,
- I don't think I can do this.
- 1664
- 01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:35,678
- Yes, you can.
- I know you can.
- 1665
- 01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:39,158
- Do I even have a choice?
- 1666
- 01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:41,872
- I'm asking you
- to trust me.
- 1667
- 01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:51,720
- And, Linds,
- I think it'd be best
- 1668
- 01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:54,354
- if you went back
- to Maryland for a while.
- 1669
- 01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:58,749
- Tell your parents that I'm
- away on a business trip
- 1670
- 01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:01,274
- and that you're homesick.
- 1671
- 01:41:01,480 --> 01:41:03,072
- Are you going away?
- 1672
- 01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:05,708
- Yes. But just
- for a little while.
- 1673
- 01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:14,229
- No.
- 1674
- 01:41:15,480 --> 01:41:16,480
- No, I can't go.
- 1675
- 01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:17,993
- Please.
- Just until I get back.
- 1676
- 01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:19,195
- I can't go.
- 1677
- 01:41:21,480 --> 01:41:25,951
- You just said that we have to
- appear like nothing's changed.
- 1678
- 01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:29,630
- If both of us left at the same time,
- wouldn't that seem suspicious?
- 1679
- 01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:41,639
- I will do this for you.
- 1680
- 01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:48,631
- But it is the last time.
- 1681
- 01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:26,154
- Yo! Yo, you hear
- about Trevor, bro?
- 1682
- 01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:27,309
- No, what?
- 1683
- 01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:29,789
- You remember that op
- to own the Internet in Syria?
- 1684
- 01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:31,074
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- 1685
- 01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:33,628
- Trevor and his TAO team
- crashed the core router.
- 1686
- 01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:36,799
- Bro, the whole
- country's gone dark.
- 1687
- 01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:38,638
- Jesus Christ.
- 1688
- 01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:39,755
- Figure it out!
- 1689
- 01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:40,915
- Poor bastards.
- 1690
- 01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:45,077
- Okay, I'm gonna, uh...
- I gotta get to work.
- 1691
- 01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:46,195
- Yeah. Yeah, me too.
- 1692
- 01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:48,912
- So, Ed, how's, uh...
- 1693
- 01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:51,159
- How's Heartbeat coming?
- 1694
- 01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:53,029
- It's close.
- 1695
- 01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:55,909
- It's very close.
- 1696
- 01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:57,759
- Pull it up
- on this monitor.
- 1697
- 01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:59,016
- I'm still
- trying to access...
- 1698
- 01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:00,496
- Don't tell me you're
- involved in this, too?
- 1699
- 01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:04,308
- Well, Trevor fucking roped me into going
- through their zero-day exploit codes.
- 1700
- 01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:06,630
- This thing is
- a fucking mess, man.
- 1701
- 01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:11,436
- Why did I agree to this?
- Good luck.
- 1702
- 01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:13,869
- This is Patrick...
- 1703
- 01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:16,352
- What you're gonna
- do is you're gonna...
- 1704
- 01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:24,552
- I told him, I...
- Help them.
- 1705
- 01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:52,480
- Okay.
- Get back to work, guys.
- 1706
- 01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:53,520
- No, Patrick, show me.
- 1707
- 01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:39,976
- Talk about
- getting hung out to dry.
- 1708
- 01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:41,718
- Yeah. Are we set?
- 1709
- 01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:44,759
- Trouble with the Navy?
- 1710
- 01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:47,576
- One of those idiots ripped
- some bullshit piece of Israeli code
- 1711
- 01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:49,976
- and jammed it down our payload.
- Can you fucking believe that?
- 1712
- 01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:51,069
- Script kiddies.
- 1713
- 01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:52,616
- I know, I know.
- I should have listened to you.
- 1714
- 01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:53,993
- God damn it.
- Is this it?
- 1715
- 01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:55,354
- Here.
- Yeah, this is it.
- 1716
- 01:45:55,440 --> 01:45:58,080
- I'm gonna make the goddamn
- Israelis take the fall for this.
- 1717
- 01:45:58,800 --> 01:45:59,949
- Come on.
- 1718
- 01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:04,917
- Got it? I'm not taking
- the fall for this.
- 1719
- 01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:15,669
- Patrick.
- 1720
- 01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:20,792
- Still working on it,
- Trev. Hold on.
- 1721
- 01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:22,240
- Nothing. Still nothing.
- 1722
- 01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:34,720
- Yeah, but...
- 1723
- 01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:20,716
- You, uh... You headed
- home already?
- 1724
- 01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:24,076
- Yeah. I'm not
- feeling so well.
- 1725
- 01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:26,151
- Might not be in
- tomorrow either.
- 1726
- 01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:28,439
- You know,
- Trevor's kind of busy,
- 1727
- 01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:29,953
- maybe you could
- let him know for me?
- 1728
- 01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:32,110
- Yeah. Yeah, man.
- It'd be my pleasure.
- 1729
- 01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:35,239
- You know,
- if you're, uh...
- 1730
- 01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:37,760
- If you're really not feeling well,
- dude, maybe you should, uh,
- 1731
- 01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:40,078
- go back to the States
- and see your doctor.
- 1732
- 01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:43,311
- I think that, you know,
- folks would understand that.
- 1733
- 01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:47,832
- That sounds like
- a smart thing.
- 1734
- 01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:56,399
- Take care of yourself.
- 1735
- 01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:58,314
- Yeah, you too, bro.
- 1736
- 01:48:19,440 --> 01:48:20,475
- Hey.
- Hey.
- 1737
- 01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:23,432
- You ever play
- with one of these?
- 1738
- 01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:26,154
- Yeah, when I was a kid.
- 1739
- 01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:28,595
- Yeah. You should try it.
- It's hard.
- 1740
- 01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:51,439
- I can't figure this out.
- 1741
- 01:48:57,840 --> 01:48:59,478
- I don't know
- about this.
- 1742
- 01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:01,696
- Yeah, you gotta start with
- the white cross, actually,
- 1743
- 01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:03,199
- and then you do the corners. Ah.
- 1744
- 01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:04,760
- Oh, man.
- 1745
- 01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:07,877
- Look, I love these things.
- 1746
- 01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:09,279
- Hey, have
- a good weekend, man.
- 1747
- 01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:10,839
- You too, buddy.
- All right.
- 1748
- 01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:07,794
- It's live.
- 1749
- 01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:14,956
- There's a link to
- the FISA court order.
- 1750
- 01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:24,829
- Well done, Janine.
- 1751
- 01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:26,433
- I told you
- she wasn't a pushover.
- 1752
- 01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:28,715
- Well, it feels so
- goddamn good to be wrong.
- 1753
- 01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:39,696
- Breaking news tonight. Reports
- that through a secret court order,
- 1754
- 01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:42,280
- the Obama administration is
- collecting the phone records
- 1755
- 01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:44,032
- of millions of
- Verizon customers.
- 1756
- 01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:46,376
- That's been reported by the
- Guardian newspaper in the U. K.
- 1757
- 01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:47,674
- The specific court order shows
- 1758
- 01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:50,877
- that all the information is going
- to the National Security Agency.
- 1759
- 01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:55,036
- How's that for
- mainstream media, Glenn?
- 1760
- 01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:57,793
- They can't shut this down now.
- And we've got four more days of it.
- 1761
- 01:50:57,920 --> 01:50:59,990
- They have no idea what
- they're in store for.
- 1762
- 01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:01,160
- That's fantastic!
- 1763
- 01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:04,096
- Former Speaker of the House is
- on the grill tonight and joins me now.
- 1764
- 01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:06,475
- Another explosive
- article has just appeared,
- 1765
- 01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:07,993
- this time in
- The Washington Post.
- 1766
- 01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:10,150
- It's breaking news
- that it reveals
- 1767
- 01:51:10,240 --> 01:51:13,630
- another broad and secret U. S.
- Government surveillance program.
- 1768
- 01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:17,315
- The Washington Post and the
- Guardian in London reporting
- 1769
- 01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:18,919
- that the NSA and the FBI
- 1770
- 01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:22,117
- are tapping directly
- into the central servers
- 1771
- 01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:24,509
- of nine leading
- Internet companies,
- 1772
- 01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:27,194
- including Microsoft,
- Yahoo, Google, Facebook,
- 1773
- 01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:30,192
- AOL, Skype, YouTube,
- and Apple.
- 1774
- 01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:32,510
- The Post says
- they're extracting audio,
- 1775
- 01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:35,433
- video, photographs,
- e-mails, documents,
- 1776
- 01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:36,714
- and connection logs
- 1777
- 01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:39,109
- that enable analysts to
- track a person's movements
- 1778
- 01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:41,430
- and contacts over time.
- 1779
- 01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:48,315
- In the abstract, you can
- complain about Big Brother
- 1780
- 01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:52,518
- and how this is a potential
- program run amok.
- 1781
- 01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:54,790
- But when you actually
- look at the details,
- 1782
- 01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:56,950
- then I think we've struck
- the right balance.
- 1783
- 01:51:57,040 --> 01:52:00,191
- U.S. President
- Barack Obama staunchly defends
- 1784
- 01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:02,475
- U.S. government programs,
- 1785
- 01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:05,916
- insisting that they were
- conducted with broad safeguards
- 1786
- 01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:08,275
- and to protect against abuse.
- 1787
- 01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:12,400
- He reached the conclusion
- that what was happening
- 1788
- 01:52:12,480 --> 01:52:14,869
- inside this really
- secretive agency
- 1789
- 01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:17,235
- uh, was very
- threatening and menacing
- 1790
- 01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:19,709
- to privacy rights,
- to Internet freedom,
- 1791
- 01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:22,598
- to basic political liberty,
- not only in the United States,
- 1792
- 01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:24,716
- but all around the world.
- 1793
- 01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:28,515
- And he felt it was his duty as
- a human being to disclose it.
- 1794
- 01:52:39,320 --> 01:52:42,551
- Uh, my name's Ed Snowden.
- I'm 29 years old.
- 1795
- 01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:44,073
- I work for
- Booz Allen Hamilton
- 1796
- 01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:47,675
- as an infrastructure analyst
- for NSA in Hawaii.
- 1797
- 01:52:58,240 --> 01:53:00,470
- The identity of the man
- who sent the Obama...
- 1798
- 01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:04,758
- You can't come forward against the
- most powerful intelligence agencies
- 1799
- 01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:07,440
- in the world without expecting
- to have some risk.
- 1800
- 01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:09,590
- They're just such
- powerful adversaries.
- 1801
- 01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:12,598
- So no one can
- meaningfully oppose them.
- 1802
- 01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:13,789
- He did it.
- 1803
- 01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:16,713
- You know, if they want to get you,
- they will get you, in time.
- 1804
- 01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:17,800
- The kid did it!
- 1805
- 01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:19,816
- And it's just gonna get
- worse for the next generation,
- 1806
- 01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:21,193
- as they extend
- the capabilities
- 1807
- 01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:24,795
- of this sort of
- architecture of oppression.
- 1808
- 01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:29,192
- And you realize that you might
- be willing to accept any risk,
- 1809
- 01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:33,029
- as long as the public is able
- to make their own decision
- 1810
- 01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:34,752
- about how
- this is applied.
- 1811
- 01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:37,719
- Because even if you haven
- 't done anything wrong,
- 1812
- 01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:39,756
- you're being
- watched and recorded.
- 1813
- 01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:44,231
- Look, I had access to the
- entire intelligence community.
- 1814
- 01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:47,551
- So, if I had wanted
- to harm the U. S.,
- 1815
- 01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:51,872
- you could shut down the entire
- surveillance system in an afternoon.
- 1816
- 01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:55,236
- But that was never
- my intention.
- 1817
- 01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:58,392
- And I think anybody
- that's making that argument,
- 1818
- 01:53:58,480 --> 01:54:02,837
- they have to think,
- if they were in my position,
- 1819
- 01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:06,674
- living in Hawaii, in paradise,
- and making a ton of money,
- 1820
- 01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:11,629
- what would it take to make
- you leave everything behind?
- 1821
- 01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:17,356
- The fear that I think I have
- most in regards to the outcome
- 1822
- 01:54:17,440 --> 01:54:20,193
- for America of
- these disclosures
- 1823
- 01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:22,475
- is that nothing
- will change.
- 1824
- 01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:26,348
- In the coming months and the coming
- years, it'll just get worse.
- 1825
- 01:54:26,440 --> 01:54:29,000
- And then eventually,
- at some point,
- 1826
- 01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:33,153
- some new leader
- will be elected
- 1827
- 01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:37,119
- who flips the switch,
- 1828
- 01:54:37,200 --> 01:54:44,038
- and the people won't be able to do
- anything, by that point, to oppose it.
- 1829
- 01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:47,070
- And it'll be
- turnkey tyranny.
- 1830
- 01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:50,200
- How you holding up?
- 1831
- 01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:53,270
- Yeah, I'll be fine.
- 1832
- 01:54:54,120 --> 01:54:55,696
- It's you guys that have
- to start watching out
- 1833
- 01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:57,199
- for yourselves now.
- 1834
- 01:54:58,360 --> 01:55:00,874
- You know, if you have
- any reason to believe
- 1835
- 01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:05,556
- that you're about to be raided or
- intercepted or breached in any way,
- 1836
- 01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:10,191
- you format and destroy
- all the data immediately.
- 1837
- 01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:13,238
- You have
- the encrypted backups.
- 1838
- 01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:15,439
- And now, I...
- 1839
- 01:55:18,440 --> 01:55:21,352
- I no longer have any access
- to these files myself.
- 1840
- 01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:23,078
- You guys have them all.
- 1841
- 01:55:25,120 --> 01:55:26,189
- Uh...
- 1842
- 01:55:26,680 --> 01:55:29,478
- Keep the focus on the stories,
- that's all that matters.
- 1843
- 01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:33,158
- If you'll excuse me, it's...
- 1844
- 01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:38,070
- I think we should all get some rest.
- We can use it.
- 1845
- 01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:41,432
- Yeah. I should probably
- lay down on a soft bed
- 1846
- 01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:43,556
- while I still have
- one available, right?
- 1847
- 01:55:45,200 --> 01:55:47,077
- You rest well.
- Thank you.
- 1848
- 01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:50,713
- See you tomorrow.
- Good night.
- 1849
- 01:56:21,160 --> 01:56:23,355
- Can you at least tell me
- where you're going?
- 1850
- 01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:49,798
- Listen,
- I know that I'm...
- 1851
- 01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:09,752
- Ewen, I'm on
- the second floor.
- 1852
- 01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:12,599
- I don't see Tibbo.
- 1853
- 01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:17,235
- No. No, no, wait.
- Okay. I think I see him.
- 1854
- 01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:19,235
- Shit!
- 1855
- 01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:22,269
- There's press swarming
- all over the hotel.
- 1856
- 01:57:22,360 --> 01:57:24,032
- Yeah, I don't know.
- I'll figure it out.
- 1857
- 01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:26,160
- I'll stop them with a press
- conference or something.
- 1858
- 01:57:26,280 --> 01:57:30,193
- Hey, I'm Glenn.
- Look, we really appreciate this.
- 1859
- 01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:32,416
- We understand you're one of the
- best lawyers in Hong Kong.
- 1860
- 01:57:32,440 --> 01:57:33,475
- We'll do our best.
- 1861
- 01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:36,518
- We're gonna take him to the UN first,
- then I prefer not to reveal.
- 1862
- 01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:37,600
- I understand.
- 1863
- 01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:39,915
- Shit. They spotted me.
- You guys get going.
- 1864
- 01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:45,296
- Okay, I will take your questions
- in an orderly fashion.
- 1865
- 01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:46,456
- Where is Snowden?
- Do you know where he is?
- 1866
- 01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:48,136
- Come on,
- please let us know!
- 1867
- 01:57:48,160 --> 01:57:49,229
- Did you get them?
- 1868
- 01:57:49,320 --> 01:57:50,912
- Yeah, this is the best
- I could do.
- 1869
- 01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:53,600
- You're meeting Tibbo
- in five minutes,
- 1870
- 01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:56,194
- on the skybridge
- opposite the large mall.
- 1871
- 01:57:59,960 --> 01:58:04,192
- I've met a lot of astonishing
- people in my life, but you...
- 1872
- 01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:08,675
- Okay, laddie.
- Off you go.
- 1873
- 01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:11,119
- I won't let you down.
- 1874
- 01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:15,794
- You'd make a shitty journalist
- without a camera.
- 1875
- 01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:18,432
- Are you sure?
- Yeah.
- 1876
- 01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:21,792
- Okay. That's a great idea.
- 1877
- 01:58:23,680 --> 01:58:24,680
- Thanks.
- 1878
- 01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:29,156
- Oh! You don't want to
- leave your luck behind.
- 1879
- 01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:30,720
- Oh.
- 1880
- 01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:32,837
- I think I'd like you
- to have that.
- 1881
- 01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:37,270
- Thanks for everything.
- 1882
- 01:58:37,960 --> 01:58:39,029
- Thank you.
- 1883
- 01:59:02,720 --> 01:59:04,200
- I have
- a van on the street.
- 1884
- 01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:12,391
- NSA leaker Edward
- Snowden has now been charged formally
- 1885
- 01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:17,235
- with espionage, theft, and
- conversion of government property.
- 1886
- 01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:19,176
- U. S. officials have asked Hong Kong
- 1887
- 01:59:19,200 --> 01:59:20,713
- to detain
- the former contractor
- 1888
- 01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:22,637
- on a provisional
- arrest warrant.
- 1889
- 01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:24,836
- Snowden has been
- in Hong Kong since May...
- 1890
- 01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:28,117
- remember, that
- was back reportedly on May 20th.
- 1891
- 01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:31,376
- Snowden has checked
- out of the luxury hotel in Hong Kong,
- 1892
- 01:59:31,400 --> 01:59:32,628
- where he had been holed up.
- 1893
- 01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:36,896
- You might
- turn your eyes away.
- 1894
- 01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:38,416
- Not likely
- take action against him
- 1895
- 01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:39,496
- without an arrest
- warrant from the U. S.
- 1896
- 01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:42,216
- The Justice Department
- had to go to Interpol so that Snowden,
- 1897
- 01:59:42,240 --> 01:59:44,496
- if he tried to cross a border,
- he could be intercepted and detained.
- 1898
- 01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:45,976
- Snowden is still in hiding.
- 1899
- 01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:47,000
- So again...
- 1900
- 01:59:47,080 --> 01:59:48,816
- But the
- Americans are now closing in.
- 1901
- 01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:50,990
- They almost certainly know
- where he is,
- 1902
- 01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:53,714
- they just need Hong Kong's
- approval to get him.
- 1903
- 01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:55,576
- The Hong
- Kong government does have
- 1904
- 01:59:55,600 --> 01:59:57,636
- an extradition agreement
- with Washington.
- 1905
- 01:59:57,720 --> 01:59:58,840
- But the ultimate decision...
- 1906
- 01:59:58,960 --> 02:00:02,350
- So the big
- question here is, where is he now?
- 1907
- 02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:08,157
- Thank you.
- This is Ed. Ed, Mayana.
- 1908
- 02:00:08,240 --> 02:00:09,912
- Hi, Ed. Welcome.
- Thank you.
- 1909
- 02:00:10,320 --> 02:00:11,878
- Thank you.
- 1910
- 02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:14,711
- These are good people.
- They won't talk.
- 1911
- 02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:18,158
- I've been handling their cases for years.
- They're like you.
- 1912
- 02:00:18,240 --> 02:00:19,434
- That's so nice.
- 1913
- 02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:21,637
- They're stateless.
- Yeah.
- 1914
- 02:00:22,120 --> 02:00:25,556
- So we're waiting on the UN
- application for refugee status.
- 1915
- 02:00:25,640 --> 02:00:26,755
- Yeah.
- 1916
- 02:00:26,840 --> 02:00:29,673
- Just in case you're arrested,
- this is where you can call me.
- 1917
- 02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:30,795
- Yeah.
- 1918
- 02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:34,109
- Good.
- 1919
- 02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:36,119
- Thank you so much.
- 1920
- 02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:44,996
- You may not feel it,
- Ed, but you're not alone.
- 1921
- 02:00:45,880 --> 02:00:46,949
- Thank you.
- 1922
- 02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:51,696
- His longtime
- girlfriend, Lindsay Mills,
- 1923
- 02:00:51,720 --> 02:00:52,914
- an amateur photographer,
- 1924
- 02:00:53,000 --> 02:00:54,399
- has not been heard from.
- 1925
- 02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:56,391
- It's believed
- she's in seclusion
- 1926
- 02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:57,993
- in her parents' home
- in Maryland,
- 1927
- 02:00:58,080 --> 02:00:59,911
- and has been questioned
- by the FBI
- 1928
- 02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:01,911
- and remains
- under investigation.
- 1929
- 02:01:03,840 --> 02:01:07,594
- Ten days have now gone by,
- as the world looks for Edward Snowden.
- 1930
- 02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:11,070
- Rumors have surfaced that a rich
- supporter is hiding Snowden
- 1931
- 02:01:11,200 --> 02:01:14,510
- somewhere in the Hong Kong
- hills in a private mansion.
- 1932
- 02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:48,915
- It is now
- confirmed that Edward Snowden
- 1933
- 02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:51,309
- has boarded a flight
- from Hong Kong to Moscow.
- 1934
- 02:01:51,400 --> 02:01:53,336
- The State
- Department is very disappointed
- 1935
- 02:01:53,360 --> 02:01:54,952
- in the authorities
- in Hong Kong
- 1936
- 02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:56,678
- for letting Snowden go.
- 1937
- 02:01:56,760 --> 02:01:59,376
- He was accompanied
- by a representative from WikiLeaks.
- 1938
- 02:01:59,400 --> 02:02:02,551
- Snowden is trying
- to make his way from Russia to Cuba,
- 1939
- 02:02:02,640 --> 02:02:04,835
- and then to Ecuador
- for political asylum.
- 1940
- 02:02:04,960 --> 02:02:07,216
- Moscow airport
- officials say he won't be permitted
- 1941
- 02:02:07,240 --> 02:02:08,639
- to make his connective flight
- 1942
- 02:02:08,720 --> 02:02:11,154
- because the U. S. government
- has revoked his passport.
- 1943
- 02:02:11,240 --> 02:02:13,959
- The United States
- Secretary of State, John Kerry,
- 1944
- 02:02:14,040 --> 02:02:17,919
- outraged that Russia is refusing
- to arrest the American fugitive.
- 1945
- 02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:22,152
- Now a man without a country
- stranded inside the Moscow airport.
- 1946
- 02:02:22,240 --> 02:02:24,913
- No, I'm not gonna
- be scrambling jets, uh,
- 1947
- 02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:29,596
- to get a 29-year-old hacker.
- 1948
- 02:02:31,160 --> 02:02:32,696
- The
- President of Bolivia's plane
- 1949
- 02:02:32,720 --> 02:02:34,995
- was forced down in
- Austria airspace today
- 1950
- 02:02:35,080 --> 02:02:39,358
- following U. S. suspicions that
- Snowden may have been on board.
- 1951
- 02:02:39,440 --> 02:02:41,795
- After
- 39 days in the airport hotel,
- 1952
- 02:02:41,880 --> 02:02:44,314
- he's left with his Russian
- lawyer and a legal advisor
- 1953
- 02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:46,516
- from WikiLeaks,
- Sarah Harrison.
- 1954
- 02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:50,198
- He can now enjoy
- all of the sweet, sweet liberty
- 1955
- 02:02:50,280 --> 02:02:53,431
- allowed under the regime
- of President Vladimir Putin.
- 1956
- 02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:56,717
- There is still
- a thing called execution.
- 1957
- 02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:58,176
- Mr. Snowden
- actually deserves asylum
- 1958
- 02:02:58,200 --> 02:02:59,474
- and protection
- around the globe.
- 1959
- 02:02:59,600 --> 02:03:02,717
- But he does have asylum
- in Russia at least.
- 1960
- 02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:04,791
- He can engage in
- the debate he started.
- 1961
- 02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:06,714
- And the world
- now has an example
- 1962
- 02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:08,040
- that you can do
- the right thing,
- 1963
- 02:03:08,120 --> 02:03:11,874
- and you don't have to end up
- in a cage, one room, a prison.
- 1964
- 02:03:13,960 --> 02:03:17,157
- After more than a year
- in the country under temporary asylum,
- 1965
- 02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:21,631
- Edward Snowden has received a
- three-year residency permit in Russia.
- 1966
- 02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:33,037
- And now,
- here live from Moscow,
- 1967
- 02:03:33,320 --> 02:03:34,912
- Edward Snowden.
- 1968
- 02:03:36,280 --> 02:03:38,157
- Hi, Ed. How you doing?
- 1969
- 02:03:43,560 --> 02:03:44,993
- Thank you.
- 1970
- 02:03:45,640 --> 02:03:47,995
- Uh, forgive me if I get my
- bearings a little bit here.
- 1971
- 02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:50,548
- People always said
- I was kind of a robot.
- 1972
- 02:03:52,040 --> 02:03:54,554
- How is it that
- you came to be in Russia?
- 1973
- 02:03:55,160 --> 02:03:56,912
- Well, I never intended
- to come here.
- 1974
- 02:03:57,000 --> 02:04:00,913
- You know, my passport was revoked
- en route to Latin America.
- 1975
- 02:04:01,000 --> 02:04:03,639
- So when people say,
- "Why are you in Russia?"
- 1976
- 02:04:03,720 --> 02:04:06,598
- I say,
- "Ask the State Department."
- 1977
- 02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:11,035
- Does that mean you're willing
- to go back and face trial?
- 1978
- 02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:15,633
- Absolutely, if it was
- a fair and public trial.
- 1979
- 02:04:16,280 --> 02:04:19,033
- Unfortunately, that's not
- what would happen right now,
- 1980
- 02:04:19,120 --> 02:04:23,193
- as long as the Espionage Act is
- being used against whistleblowers.
- 1981
- 02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:26,516
- Do you still
- think it was worth it?
- 1982
- 02:04:26,600 --> 02:04:27,635
- Yes, I do.
- 1983
- 02:04:27,720 --> 02:04:31,633
- Without the information
- to start a public debate,
- 1984
- 02:04:31,720 --> 02:04:33,119
- we're lost.
- You know...
- 1985
- 02:04:33,720 --> 02:04:37,269
- The people being able
- to question our government
- 1986
- 02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:39,954
- and hold it accountable,
- 1987
- 02:04:40,040 --> 02:04:44,955
- that's the principle that the United
- States of America was founded on.
- 1988
- 02:04:45,080 --> 02:04:48,789
- So if we want to protect
- our national security,
- 1989
- 02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:51,314
- we should be protecting
- that principle.
- 1990
- 02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:55,235
- What if your
- argument falls on deaf ears?
- 1991
- 02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:57,629
- What if our leaders
- don't act?
- 1992
- 02:04:58,440 --> 02:05:01,671
- I believe that,
- if nothing changes,
- 1993
- 02:05:02,680 --> 02:05:07,231
- more and more people all over
- the world will come forward.
- 1994
- 02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:12,914
- Whistleblowers and journalists,
- but also regular citizens.
- 1995
- 02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:19,596
- And when those in power try to
- hide by classifying everything,
- 1996
- 02:05:20,360 --> 02:05:23,193
- we will call them out on it.
- 1997
- 02:05:23,720 --> 02:05:29,477
- And when they try to scare us into
- sacrificing our basic human rights,
- 1998
- 02:05:29,560 --> 02:05:31,835
- we won't be intimidated,
- 1999
- 02:05:31,960 --> 02:05:36,590
- and we won't give up,
- and we will not be silenced.
- 2000
- 02:05:38,240 --> 02:05:40,071
- You're alone in
- a foreign country,
- 2001
- 02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:43,391
- you'll be extradited
- if you try to leave.
- 2002
- 02:05:43,480 --> 02:05:45,152
- That must be hard.
- 2003
- 02:05:57,680 --> 02:06:01,229
- When I left Hawaii,
- I lost everything.
- 2004
- 02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:06,836
- And I had a stable life.
- 2005
- 02:06:09,880 --> 02:06:11,996
- A stable love.
- 2006
- 02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:13,991
- Family. Future.
- 2007
- 02:06:15,800 --> 02:06:17,631
- And I lost that life,
- 2008
- 02:06:20,600 --> 02:06:22,636
- but I've gained
- a new one,
- 2009
- 02:06:25,120 --> 02:06:26,951
- and I'm incredibly
- fortunate.
- 2010
- 02:06:29,400 --> 02:06:30,719
- And I think
- 2011
- 02:06:32,720 --> 02:06:34,160
- the greatest freedom
- that I've gained
- 2012
- 02:06:34,240 --> 02:06:37,835
- is the fact that I no longer have to
- worry about what happens tomorrow,
- 2013
- 02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:40,309
- because I'm happy with
- what I've done today.
- 2014
- 02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:48,753
- Live from the Internet,
- Edward Snowden!
- 2015
- 02:08:06,760 --> 02:08:08,456
- Has your
- mindset changed about him?
- 2016
- 02:08:08,480 --> 02:08:12,553
- Is he now more whistleblower
- than he is a, uh, hacker?
- 2017
- 02:08:49,960 --> 02:08:51,976
- What is going
- to happen to Edward Snowden?
- 2018
- 02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:54,719
- He's going to die in Moscow.
- He's not coming home.
- 2019
- 02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:34,995
- Edward Snowden,
- is he a traitor or a hero?
- 2020
- 02:09:35,120 --> 02:09:38,351
- He stole
- very important information.
- 2021
- 02:09:56,960 --> 02:09:58,336
- We have
- breaking news tonight...
- 2022
- 02:09:58,360 --> 02:09:59,360
- Among the reforms,
- 2023
- 02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:02,113
- work with Congress to change how
- the NSA collects phone records.
- 2024
- 02:10:03,320 --> 02:10:05,754
- Mandate more transparency
- by the secret court
- 2025
- 02:10:05,840 --> 02:10:07,910
- that regularly approves
- the surveillance.
- 2026
- 02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:11,796
- Well, is it
- a victory for Edward Snowden?
- 2027
- 02:10:11,880 --> 02:10:13,720
- That's gonna depend
- on the eye of the beholder.
- 2028
- 02:10:15,520 --> 02:10:17,936
- The American
- government was acting illegally.
- 2029
- 02:10:17,960 --> 02:10:21,200
- I don't think he should
- be brought home without facing the music.
- 2030
- 02:10:22,960 --> 02:10:24,757
- Snowden played
- a very important role
- 2031
- 02:10:24,840 --> 02:10:26,990
- in educating
- the American people
- 2032
- 02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:31,471
- to the degree in which our civil
- liberties and our constitutional rights
- 2033
- 02:10:31,560 --> 02:10:32,709
- are being undermined.
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