thlayli sad

[07:27.08] <@kraznaya> hey thlayli sorry but
[07:27.08] <+noob> It can even withstand the Iris
[07:27.11] <@kraznaya> dis laughed his ass off
[07:27.14] <@kraznaya> when i asked if you could play the quasi
[07:27.18] <+noob> Lol
[07:27.19] <@Thlayli> I never asked to play the quasi
[07:27.22] <@Thlayli> nor did I want to
[07:27.24] <@Thlayli> I'm
[07:27.27] <+noob> And it's materials tech Thlayli
[07:27.27] <@Dachs> they're assuming you'll switch soon
[07:27.28] <@Thlayli> slightly annoyed you asked on my behalf :p
[07:27.30] <+noob> If you've got above 8 :p
[07:27.36] <@Dachs> on the grounds that you quit the sicilians in similar straits
[07:27.38] <+noob> ChiefDesigner
[07:27.40] <+noob> Join as the Quasi
[07:27.47] <@Thlayli> the sicilians were in much direr straits than these
[07:27.55] <@kraznaya> 10:25] <@kraznaya> maybe?
[07:27.55] <@kraznaya> [10:25] <@kraznaya> dis
[07:27.56] <@kraznaya> [10:25] * Crezth sets mode +v ChiefDesigner for #nes
[07:27.56] <@kraznaya> [10:26] <@kraznaya> would you let him switch to quasi
[07:27.56] <@kraznaya> [10:26] <+Dis> i hope not :<
[07:27.56] <@kraznaya> [10:26] <+ChiefDesigner> Gonna cut some bitches.
[07:27.56] <@kraznaya> [10:26] <+Dis> oh god no
[07:27.56] <@kraznaya> [10:26] <%Crezth> it'd be monstrously gay
[07:27.56] <@kraznaya> [10:26] <%Crezth> for thlayli to SWITCH to quasi
[07:27.56] <@kraznaya> [10:26] <+ChiefDesigner> Specifically, bitches who didn't get CNES orders in time
[07:27.56] <@kraznaya> [10:26] <%Crezth> even if the forest echoed with laughter after he plunged the spinwards (?) into war
[07:27.57] <@kraznaya> [10:26] <+Dis> thy is only allowed to play th-like societies
[07:27.58] <@kraznaya> [10:26] <+Dis> as he's never demonstrated the ability to act in any different ways
[07:27.59] <@kraznaya> [10:26] <%Crezth> @CD: kill list: member:matt; daft; ruki (although he retired); lord_joakim; circuit; member:shadowbound; fc
[07:28.00] <@kraznaya> [10:26] <+Dis> I mean sometimes the narrative needs a hammer
[07:28.01] <@kraznaya> [10:27] <+ChiefDesigner> ...
[07:28.02] <@kraznaya> [10:27] <+Dis> but thy can only hammer
[07:28.03] <@kraznaya> [10:27] <+ChiefDesigner> Gonna cut some bitches
[07:28.04] <@kraznaya> [10:27] <+ChiefDesigner> Matt, no orders?
[07:28.05] <@kraznaya> [10:27] <%Crezth> thlayli is a hammer
[07:28.06] <@kraznaya> [10:27] <%Crezth> and all his problems are screws
[07:28.07] <@kraznaya> [10:27] <%Crezth> nyuk nyuk nyuk
[07:28.18] * Thlayli sighs
[07:28.45] <@Thlayli> based on that appraisal I should probably quit
[07:29.03] <@kraznaya> why's that
[07:29.05] <Crezth> that was mean
[07:29.14] <@Dachs> you were part of the 'being mean' crezth
[07:29.21] <@Thlayli> if dis has such a limited opinion of what I'm capable obviously he's going to put me in that box
[07:29.25] <@Thlayli> capable of*
[07:29.27] <Crezth> yeah
[07:29.34] <@Thlayli> but
[07:29.35] <@kraznaya> so thlayli
[07:29.37] <Crezth> doesn't make it less mean ._.
[07:29.39] <@Thlayli> I'm waiting on a reply pm to something I sent him
[07:29.40] <@kraznaya> are you quitting iibis too
[07:29.43] <@Thlayli> regarding a stupid plan that I have
[07:31.01] <Crezth> I don't think dis would put you in a box.
[07:31.07] <@Dachs> oh hey
[07:31.09] <@Dachs> tk is gay
[07:31.12] <Crezth> doesn't this DRIVE you?
[07:31.15] <@kraznaya> slowpoke.jpg
[07:31.15] <Crezth> to prove him WRONG?
[07:31.25] <@Thlayli> not particularly
[07:31.32] <@Dachs> I don't read the rants/raves threads much kraz
[07:31.33] <@Dachs> :/
[07:31.37] <@kraznaya> nah, it's just convenient excuse to quit after his polity has already gone up in flames
[07:31.39] <Crezth> they're depressing
[07:31.45] <@Thlayli> the alex-symph alliance is so far beyond my aegis to even oppose that it's not worth playing
[07:31.48] <@Thlayli> unless I want to be like matt
[07:31.50] <@Dachs> his policy started out in flames
[07:31.51] <@Thlayli> and I really don't
[07:31.53] <@Dachs> *polity
[07:32.13] <@kraznaya> no dachs
[07:32.24] <@kraznaya> it was mid tier potential if he leveraged in a pointed way
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[07:32.31] * Dachs sets mode +v Strat for #nes
[07:32.38] <@kraznaya> instead he tried to do all the things except the ones that would've actually been worth it
[07:32.47] <@Dachs> I don't see how "most of your people are in fact in rebellion against you" isn't "in flames"
[07:32.48] <@kraznaya> ie go all in on azale or alex
[07:33.01] <@kraznaya> dachs
[07:33.10] <+Matt> wooooooooooah Thlayli
[07:33.11] <@kraznaya> that assumes that all of the people who call themselves standards /have/ to be united in one polity
[07:33.20] <@kraznaya> which is very ... strange for supposed "libertarians"
[07:33.32] <@Dachs> I'm pretty sure that Thlayli actually thinks that way
[07:33.37] <@kraznaya> how libertarian
[07:33.40] <@Dachs> because he tried to reconquer several of those places
[07:33.41] <@Dachs> this past turn
[07:33.51] <@kraznaya> yeah, all of which were garbage and he would've been better off losing
[07:33.58] <@kraznaya> i mean, freedom to choose your own destiny, amirite
[07:34.09] <@Thlayli> getting rid of a hostile army next to one of my nicest regions
[07:34.11] <@Thlayli> was sort of a necessity
[07:34.20] <@Thlayli> the other hostile army was next to my capital
[07:34.28] <@Dachs> the obvious solutions are to make those armies non-hostile
[07:34.46] <@Thlayli> I took the actions that I thought would achieve those ends, but evidently not
[07:34.58] * Dachs shrugs
[07:35.06] <@Dachs> I lack the knowledge base to further continue this conversation
[07:35.08] <@Dachs> plus I'm too hungry
[07:35.11] <@Dachs> bbl
[07:36.02] <@Thlayli> well
[07:36.24] <@Thlayli> going all in on alex *would* be suicide at this point
[07:36.28] <@kraznaya> at this point
[07:36.54] <@Thlayli> and even if i'm irrelevant, not many people have incentive to kill me and take my shitty land
[07:36.55] <Crezth> alex-symph is an alliance of convenience
[07:36.59] <Crezth> wait for it to decompose, and THEN strike
[07:37.12] <@Thlayli> I can putter on in mediocrity or I can try desperately to seize a planet that matters
[07:37.37] <Crezth> there's nothing mediocre about sticking to your knitting until the time is right
[07:37.47] <@Thlayli> but the long-term prognosis doesn't favor me
[07:37.53] <@Thlayli> alex destroys me in e, and everyone else in s
[07:37.57] <Crezth> it won't if you play like this
[07:38.07] <@Thlayli> 99% of my investments have gone to infrastructure
[07:38.37] <@kraznaya> did you program out what the investments would actually do
[07:38.38] <@kraznaya> before you did that
[07:38.41] <Crezth> You have a large population and a sturdy fleet. You can make that work for you.
[07:38.45] <@kraznaya> the ROI is so bad for you
[07:39.06] <@kraznaya> for example i built a factory for 60e and i already got 42e of that back this turn
[07:39.10] <@kraznaya> it pays itself off in 1.5 turns
[07:39.46] <+Matt> Kraz you're a unique case though
[07:39.54] <@kraznaya> sure
[07:39.56] <@kraznaya> it was an extreme example
[07:40.15] <+noob> What.
[07:40.21] <@kraznaya> but thlayli didn't leverage the unique advantages of his start properly
[07:40.25] <+noob> What power plant did you have Kraz.
[07:40.35] <@kraznaya> wind/tidal
[07:40.38] <+noob> I was under the impression, from earlier testing, that factories took whiles to pay off.
[07:40.51] <+Matt> depends
[07:41.02] <@kraznaya> pop concentration helps too noob
[07:41.04] <@kraznaya> i mean, if you're frontiers
[07:41.17] <@kraznaya> your pop isn't even going to inhabiting the region you built the infra most of the time
[07:41.19] <@kraznaya> so what's the friggin point
[07:41.27] <+EthanJeong> Damn it Domen!
[07:41.29] <+EthanJeong> +http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11777829&postcount=169,
[07:41.44] <+Matt> iirc Factories become relevant once you have 25+ pop in a hab
[07:41.52] <+noob> Not really Kraz.
[07:42.14] <+noob> Frontiers stops doing much once your non-developed habs get around ~4 pop or so.
[07:42.19] <+noob> Which makes it an amazing colonization trait.
[07:42.42] <@kraznaya> uh
[07:42.50] <@kraznaya> i see thlayli's people moving 30 -> 10 and then back again
[07:42.51] <@Thlayli> The problem for me is elevated crowding stress
[07:42.57] <@Thlayli> not necessarily frontiersman per se
[07:43.03] <@kraznaya> like thlayli question
[07:43.05] <@Thlayli> elevated crowding stress is one of my starting traits
[07:43.10] <+noob> That's because Thlayli's not developed yet/.
[07:43.16] <+noob> The most development he has is a university.
[07:43.16] <@Thlayli> so really I just need to compensate by stress-reducing buildings in my core regions
[07:43.27] <@kraznaya> did you actually use the growth page to calculate where your pop would be every turn
[07:43.35] <@Thlayli> yes
[07:43.39] <@kraznaya> yeah, and if i had 2000e to build all of that shit i'd rule the sector too
[07:43.39] <+noob> If he adds a Stock Exchange, ~3-4 trade shares, ~4 Social Infra in a good region.
[07:43.46] <+noob> People will stop fleeing it and will start accumulating.
[07:43.58] <+noob> What I listed there is only like 100e.
[07:44.00] <+noob> And ~10m.
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[07:44.03] <@kraznaya> noob, thlayli's income was 25 per turn before tax
[07:44.08] <@kraznaya> and upkeep
[07:44.09] <+noob> Well he's got armies for a reason :p
[07:44.13] <@kraznaya> yeah
[07:44.20] <@kraznaya> the point was that he needed those to leverage his advantage
[07:44.23] <@Thlayli> I already managed a stock exchange in a good region
[07:44.27] <@Thlayli> I *do* need to accumulate trade shares
[07:44.29] <+EthanJeong> Dachs are you watching this lolarious argument between Winner and Domen
[07:44.29] <@kraznaya> not fight useless shit for ????
[07:44.37] <@Thlayli> if you noticed, kraz
[07:44.49] <@Thlayli> a lot of what I did was to secure my two decent regions, which were southern mountains and ridgelands
[07:44.53] <@Thlayli> if I could keep high p in both of those regions
[07:44.59] <@Thlayli> I could leverage them into high e and s respectively
[07:45.02] <@Thlayli> at least that was my plan
[07:45.07] <@kraznaya> how long, thlayli
[07:45.08] <@kraznaya> would that take
[07:45.17] <@kraznaya> and where would everyone else's development me
[07:45.19] <@kraznaya> while you did that
[07:45.21] <@Thlayli> I mean, I've laid about 40% of the infrastructural groundwork already
[07:46.12] <@kraznaya> if you're going to try to play a front loaded polity like yours like a normal one while doing typically thlayli-esque things like that matt intervention it obviously isn't going to work
[07:46.27] <@Thlayli> ironically
[07:46.37] <@Thlayli> the matt thing did help me a lot in terms of e development in southern mountains
[07:46.44] <@Thlayli> I needed that
[07:46.50] <@kraznaya> uhhhh
[07:47.10] <@kraznaya> i thought your e there increased because you lost darklern
[07:48.16] <@Thlayli> maybe a bit of that too :p
[07:48.17] <@kraznaya> basically in the forest you're the japanese vs the americans circa 1941, and you just suicided 20% of your standing fleet trying an arctic expedition which did 0 damage
[07:49.04] <@kraznaya> you didn't recognize that your primary income had to come from leveraging your army
[07:49.08] <@kraznaya> like you did in sysnes i
[07:49.20] <Crezth> japanese vs americans circa 1941?
[07:49.31] <Crezth> so he started out without a snowball's chance in hell of winning
[07:49.51] <@kraznaya> it was a dirty comparison
[07:50.01] <Crezth> filthy, I'd say
[07:50.01] <@Thlayli> I recognized the comparisons
[07:50.02] <+Matt> this isn't sysnes tho
[07:50.05] <+Matt> things have changed
[07:50.08] <@Thlayli> but I was also given more of a development base
[07:50.12] <@kraznaya> his industrial comparison is far worse but his army was better comparitively
[07:50.38] <@kraznaya> no, you weren't
[07:50.42] <@kraznaya> development base is by comparison
[07:50.50] <@kraznaya> and compared to alex and symph and even crezth ahhaha
[07:51.23] * Thlayli is now known as Dinnerli
[07:51.25] <@Dinnerli> I'll brb.