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NUNIVERSE DISCUSSION LOGS

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TALKING POINTS: Ranking system, Corp presence, general setting scaffold, setting priorities and the edge/grim problem.
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<Sylum> Well, me and Eri been talking about an idea she had a long while ago
<Sylum> something we feel can help get things going again here
<Sylum> Brand New Universe
<Sylum> different setting and such
<Bud> Reimagining couldn't hurt..
<Eridana> Not rebranding like a fuggin nu52 mess
<Sylum> You have that ranking thing bud? like, even if you stopped doing it do you remember the ranks?
<Eridana> Just something now that we're wiser about how to do this shit
<Sylum> Cause one idea was making it like OPM, a ranking system for public heroes
<Sylum> Yeah, what Eri said
<Bud> Ranking?
<Oyuun> the power ranking list
<Eridana> Yeah remember you were coming up with a rank system.
<Bud> Oh right, I suddenly got busy and it slipped my mind
<Eridana> It'd be a good basis for something like this.
<Sylum> eh, real life always outclasses this place
<Bud> I'll work on it again
<Sylum> maybe give a reasoning for teams
<Bud> How would we go about the re-structuring?
<Sylum> Companies funding hero groups
<Bud> It would be more fresh than re-working everything currently
<Eridana> That is something we'd have to discuss so everyone is happy with what we do.
<Eridana> Because the biggest mistake early covengers had
<Eridana> was self-appointed leaders
<Oyuun> agreed
<Eridana> So we need to factor eberybobby's wishes in
<Sylum> We're missing Wells, and Annu
<Sylum> Haze too
<Sylum> I'll log this just in case
<Eridana> I wouldn't want to make anything concrete unless everyone heard
<Eridana> Das shite
<Bud> Still good as a talking point until then
<Eridana> Ye
<Eridana> And I can't be around for RPs, but I can help work on this when I've got time free
<Sylum> Would we make characters related to our current ones, or new in general?
<Eridana> I guess that could just be up to personal preference.
<Bud> I don't see why you couldn't just port over existing ones and tweak as you like
<Oyuun> Yep.
<McGoFuckYourself> I'd rather something completely new than just a re-imagining or recreation of previous ones
<Oyuun> We would still have the original covengers timeline to toy with now and then, right?
<Eridana> We'll leave it up to the individual.
<Eridana> Freedom is key.
<Sylum> it'd probably have similar events here and there
<Sylum> it could probably be an open ground to 100% abandoned characters
<Sylum> fixing those we threw in the trash?
<Eridana> TRESH
<Eridana> Yeah if that is what you want to do, then you should be free to.
<Oyuun> Since I do like the idea of revisiting the old stuff here and there
<Oyuun> I have an attachment to my main fuggos a bit
<Oyuun> but I know it might be weird to have them in the new-verse
<TheLantern> so, are all hero teams corporate funded?
<Bud> I can get that. I'd still say tweaking existing characters to fit the new setting would be viable tho
<Sylum> that was One idea Lants
<Sylum> explain why there are teams in the first place
<Oyuun> If I'm honest?
<Bud> Could make it a lot closer to the original Covengers design
<Oyuun> We never had a justice league type
<Oyuun> aegis wanted to be
<Bud> Oppressive megacorportation cities (Shadowrun my shit up)
<Oyuun> so did the hero element
<Oyuun> but they really didn't
<McGoFuckYourself> Evos were more street-level justice league sort of deal
<McGoFuckYourself> Hell, Darwin hall was intentinally designed after the hall of Justice
<Bud> nah hero element was Always Sunny boys
<Oyuun> I almost like
<Oyuun> internally put the Evos as like teen titans
<Bud> I wouldn't exactly call the Evos street-level, which is what made them a viable justice league setup
<Bud> Because they /could/ fight big mans
<Oyuun> so I admit I do want to posit this
<Oyuun> having a whole bunch of teams every which way might not be the best idea off the bat
<Oyuun> it worked when we had 60 people
<Eridana> That was a point I brought up
<Eridana> If we have teams
<Eridana> There should be a REASON for teams. Like if they are competing or something.
<Eridana> Not just for the sake of it.
<Oyuun> the current state of covengers
<Oyuun> is a whole bunch of independent people, and a whole bunch of 2-3 person teams
<Oyuun> all disconnected
<Oyuun> and said teams don't even meet up
<TheLantern> we could make a set of teams, all under one banner
<Oyuun> with the exception of evos really
<Oyuun> but even then its, uh, mostly me and guff there
<TheLantern> like, the justice leaguye, justice league europe, justice league detroit, justice league anarctica
<Oyuun> so I feel like wanting a whole bunch of teams off the bat is a little ambitious
<Oyuun> I'd prefer we centralize a little more
<Oyuun> at least give us a chance to not be distant fuglords
<TheLantern> just one team?
<TheLantern> like....the covengers?
<Sylum> cheesy
<Sylum> but I like it
<Bud> We started with like
<Bud> 16-18 teams
<Bud> Natural progression to whittle em now
<Sylum> Oh shit, did we?
<Sylum> I remember like, 5, 6
<Oyuun> I think we had 12
<Oyuun> to start
<TheLantern> I thought we have 6, yeah
<Bud> And they all had their own islands..
<Sylum> 11 technically, wasnt the 12th the God Team?
<McGoFuckYourself> Started off with 11, because it was a 2d6 that was rolled
<McGoFuckYourself> then it got halved when things were compressed
<Eridana> Why don't we
<Eridana> Let teams form naturally
<Eridana> Instead of premaking them
<TheLantern> hmm
<TheLantern> teams forged in the fire of battle?
<Bud> Make characters first: Assign position from there
<Eridana> Teams crafted from actual character interactions.
<Sylum> Das nice
<Sylum> another thing of notice, the Setting
<Sylum> Neon is a City/Beach area, maybe Newverse should be different?
<Oyuun> well most hero comics tend towards city + ocean
<Oyuun> both because NYC is a biased fuckhole
<Oyuun> and because it does have a lot of options
<Bud> Chicago
<Bud> Detroit
<Bud> A snowy hellhole
<TheLantern> texas
<McGoFuckYourself> City+Ocean works because people tend to accumulate towards water. S'like the ocean makes for damn good trade or summin'
<Sylum> Maybe a Springfield type area? Everything you can need in a horrible city
<TheLantern> also allows for different settings, in one place
<Sylum> mountains, snow, deserts
<TheLantern> you need a bank robbery? yer set
<TheLantern> robot nazis invading from the beachfront?
<TheLantern> yer goo!
<Eridana> >City with terrible radiation plant leaking waste everywhere, crime in the streets constantly, constantly changing geography and confirmed supernatural phenomenon
<Eridana> It's perfect
<Bud> I told you to stop talking about Pripyat
<Sylum> I was half joking, I didn't expect a great idea to spawn
<Eridana> But Bud
<Eridana> Prime real estate!
<Bud> B-but the
<Bud> The bears
<Sylum> giant radioactive superbears
<Sylum> what should the cities name be?
<Eridana> That's another thing
<Eridana> Will it stay a single city or multiple cities
<Eridana> Because I know that Supoc had multiple that sounded really cool
<Sylum> multiple cities might be a bit harder to run, but boy would it give more options
<Oyuun> in the original supoc yeah, it actually spanned the whole country
<McGoFuckYourself> Koilapolis
<Oyuun> but we did end up going into an alt universe based entirely on one team
<Oyuun> later on
<Oyuun> like, everybody lived in one spot, one team
<Oyuun> and stuff branched out from there
<Oyuun> eventually got other teams going around the world but there was kind of a central point
<Oyuun> meanwhile original supoc was the whole united states since everything was blasted to shit and the scope was on post-apocalyptic nations
<Oyuun> it can totally work
<Bud> what if we dialed it back from post apoc and made a newverse in more of a war-torn Earth where everything isn't COMPLETELY fucked just vastly different
<Bud> Like a small WW3 is currently ongoing which has allowed corporations to retain large amounts of power in the modern age or something
<Oyuun> we did sorta dial down to the alt verse with the one team because we faced a similar problem as we do right now
<Oyuun> the original supoc model needed 50 people
<Oyuun> we had 12
<Oyuun> the WW3 world could be interesting, but it does seem like a lot more of the effort would go to be explaining the state of things
<Oyuun> we'd need to have an agreed upon chronology of fucking shit
<Eridana> As well as key characters and factions in the war
<Bud> What about the Justice League-like of newverse being corp run, thus making people in it pro-corp, and another group trying to also do well but without corp support thus being anti-corp without either being the badguys
<Bud> Just suggestions, not trying anything
<Sylum> anti corp I can see being like Team 5
<Sylum> Rentavengers
<Oyuun> O
<Oyuun> I am a bit iffy on the corp stuff
<Oyuun> especially if they are left intentionally shady and vague with no clear leader again
<Oyuun> since nobody gained from that last time
<Bud> Just be more upfront this time
<Bud> Akin to the Dragon CEO's of Shadowrun
<Eridana> My name is CORPORATE CACODEMON
<Bud> Big, greedy and powerful but partially justified in their actions, and very likely needed in the modern world
<Eridana> I would legit love a comically shady and terribly run corp headed by a demon prince or demon lord
<Eridana> Just to poke fun at the past
<Oyuun> also I should maybe stop being devil's advocate
<Oyuun> but they ain't really justice league-y if they are kowtowing to shady demon boss
<Eridana> The Justice League bowed to the demon Kal-El
<Oyuun> listen lex
<Oyuun> hush
<Oyuun> would we be able to have a kinda independent just heroes team, or would the dichotomy be purely between corp lackeys and low-level vigilantes
<Oyuun> just wanna make sure we have options, I mean
* Oyuun is tired and probably sounds like a dick and is sorry for it
<Sylum> nah you not being dick
<Sylum> you're bringing up good points
<Oyuun> Having super shady demon prince corporation is fine but having them be the main benefactors of the hero side seems to just be inviting the same old xenon issues
<Sylum> yeah, I can get that
<Oyuun> where the evos are pretty much spotless but in the canon they are presumed to allow yugenex to do as they do
<Oyuun> which makes their legitimate heroism be put under a shitty light
<Sylum> wbwb
<Oyuun> welcome back!
<Bud> MY NET
<Bud> whatd i miss
<Oyuun> http://mibpaste.com/RGCEVt
<Oyuun> have this!
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<Oyuun> bud pls
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<Eridana> oh when i was talking about shady demon corp
<BUD> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
<Eridana> I just meant on the side as a joke
<Eridana> no big player
<BUD> finally i can do this
<BUD> >shady demon prince corp ceo
<BUD> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHkhiJaWUAAOxDJ.png
<Oyuun> Ahhhhh
<Eridana> YES
<Eridana> HE RETURNS
<Sylum> heehehe
<Oyuun> Then yeah I'm good on that
<Oyuun> OH NO HIM
<Sylum> http://pastebin.com/34bqMCEG
<Sylum> I'm gonna sleep
<BUD> nightyboy
<Oyuun> Nighty!
<Eridana> night lad
<Sylum> someone log however much more this discussion continues, cause I love it
<BUD> Shady back alley club where Succubi give you good dreams in exchange for small bits of your vitality
<BUD> I saw that in an anime
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<Eridana> If I were to put succubi in
<Eridana> I'd want Planescape succubi
<BUD> Explain
<Eridana> They aren't semen demons though they can do that
<Eridana> They work out of the Brothel for Slaking Intellectual Lusts and feed off any sort of sensory stimulus I think was how fluff put it
<Eridana> You can play chess with one
<BUD> Ahh I see
<BUD> Slaaneshi HWOARS
<BUD> So back on the other topic. What sort of world would we shoot for
<Eridana> Dystopia wartimes could be appealing
<Eridana> But then we'd have to come up with reasons why EVERYONE isn't fighting ALL the time
<Oyuun> I'm gonna be daring
<Oyuun> and say that I would like a world where the word "metahuman" has an actual meaning
<Oyuun> like, powers have a common source in most cases
<Oyuun> sort of a mutant situation
<Eridana> Like the Well of Furies
<Oyuun> so when you talk about metahumans they aren't just some guy who has a robot suit
<BUD> I can think of a scenario right now depending on the departure from this modern day and fi the newverse takes place inna future
<BUD> Actual metahumans having more weight as a force could also lead to the obligatory anti-metas
<BUD> so that's a constant source for resources
<Oyuun> Yeah. I always did like the idea of the x-men being a separate thing from the marvel continuity, if only because the weight of being a mutant is higher
<Oyuun> its humans vs mutants and spidey didn't splooge around
<Oyuun> the anti-mutant stuff has more weight when mutants are the only thing short of magic shit that has powers
<BUD> Yeah the X-men didn't make a lick of fucking sense in the marvel universe
<BUD> >literal gods and cosmic beings reveal themselves and a norse god is one of the world's most known heroes
<BUD> >"MUTANTS ARE IMMORAL AND AGAINST GOD'S WORD"
<Oyuun> yeah for some reason
<Oyuun> people tolerate the hulk as part of the avengers
<Oyuun> but they don't tolerate a girl that can lift small objects with her mind because of genes just living next door
<Oyuun> it was dumb
<Oyuun> and no, the mutants as minority angle never worked
<Oyuun> because then the writers made omega level mutants who could blow up the planet
<Oyuun> and also the whole "million non-mutant supers are accepted" deal
<BUD> the power creep in marvel is pretty fucked in general
<BUD> X-men needs to be independent because it WORKS
<BUD> not so much when you have special guest appearences by Spider-Man, Deadpool, etc
<Oyuun> I think deadpool was explained as having been injected with wolverine's shit?
<Oyuun> so he technically could work
<BUD> He's like a failed Wolverine
<BUD> He got the healing but in the worst way
<Eridana> He heals back to fucked
<Oyuun> he could work in the x-men verse like in the movie
<Oyuun> but spidey PLEASE GO
<BUD> In the latest runs his healing ability was actually fucked
<BUD> Poor boy has to consume twice his bodyweight in food for it to kick on
<Eridana> I'd like a new setting to be a place where we can be equally bright and dark without fear of judge if its appropriate
<Eridana> Grimdark is shite
<McGoFuckYourself> amen
<Eridana> But like in painting, darks are used to make your brights brighter
<Eridana> Vice versa for brights to darks
<Eridana> We shouldn't be so scared of having dark moments or else it just becomes kiddy playtime
<Eridana> ESPECIALLY if its set during a third world war
<Oyuun> this is true
<Oyuun> I just want to tilt things somewhat heroic since we did have issues early covengers on that
<McGoFuckYourself> I jus' wanna goof around
<Oyuun> there were times it was asshole crime city of killers
<Oyuun> and that was really most that would fly
<BUD> marvel manages to keep a balance of that (or used to) right?
<Oyuun> there should be hope going in
<Eridana> Tends to be more light-hearted on the whole
<Oyuun> the captain america - punisher thing is sort of a good example
<BUD> you got fucks like frank castle committing homicide everyday in brutal ways while at the same time Spider-Man and his pals stop silly supervillains
<BUD> biggest things would be like, HOW screwed the fighting has caused the countries to become
<BUD> and how brutal the overall theme itself is
<BUD> because that'll reflect on the heroes in its own way
<Oyuun> I feel like if we did fucked up fightverse, I'd handle it a bit like that first captain america movie. Middle of horrible world war, and things are definitely screwed up
<Oyuun> but there is very clearly room for hope
<Oyuun> and room for heroes to come in
<McGoFuckYourself> Personally, I'd rather not be super brutal at all
<Breakdown> byerr byerr byerrrrrr!
<Eridana> I'd like a mix.
<Oyuun> super brutality as a main theme does have a way of effecting all characters by way of appropriateness
<Eridana> I just want the freedom to have characters at whatever point on the spectrum that I feel the fancy
<Oyuun> and it can make things like, somebody not wanting to kill come off as weird
<Breakdown> like an anti-Punisher
<Breakdown> a Slap-on-the-wristener
<Oyuun> cap worked well in the ww2 setting since he was both properly heroic but adapted well to the setting
<Oyuun> but does sorta imply you have to warp around that, so as eri said it could hinder where you'd put characters
<Oyuun> anyway, I do have to sleep now
<Oyuun> I wish ya all a good night
<Eridana> G'night Oyu
<McGoFuckYourself> nighto

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TALKING POINTS: The Source, freedom of creation, justification and classification for origins, origin interactions and organization.
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<Eridana> Oh did anyone present my idea for the thing to uh
<Eridana> anyone
<Sylum> Newverse? I told Anna
<Sylum> d-didn't have much reaction
<Oyu> Anna doesn't respond to much lately anyway
<Oyu> has wells been around?
<Sylum> not to my knowledge
<Oyu> I think everybody who can know except Wells does, then
<Oyu> and haze?
<Oyu> they both been scarce
<Eridana> I missu de hazu
<Eridana> and de wellsu
<Eridana> i have not seen anna at all
<Eridana> And One is
<Eridana> completely transferred
<Oyu> breakdown of all people
<Oyu> has been showing up at random
<Eridana> Yeah he was here before
<Sylum> waut what
<Oyu> Yep
<Sylum> so, has he ever said anything?
<Oyu> yeah
<Oyu> I forget what
<Eridana> Sorta
<Eridana> Just usual Breakdown mumbling
<Eridana> But I'll PM te idea I had
<Eridana> To both of you because I can't remember if y'all were here
<Oyu> awesomes
<Eridana> It was what Oyu was saying about
<Eridana> making Metahuman mean something with the whole one source for powers and shit
<Eridana> Like Mutants from X-men
<Eridana> but its a bit more broad so it can include things that aren't just mutations
<Oyu> Yep!
<Eridana> Still just an idea
<Eridana> But wanted to run it by folks because this Nuniverse thing actually has grabbed me
<Sylum> having a new thing for the nuniverse that makes if Different from the normal
<Oyu> And I think that's what we are needin'
<Oyu> Covengers we explored a lot, so doing just a copy on that wouldn't get any fresh blood flowing
<Eridana> Like Oyu said, it can allow us to set some guidelines or a sort of bounding box for what we can do
<Oyu> ^
<Eridana> And it can allow us to mesh different power origins more
<Eridana> Could have a Cosmic origin power nullifier that nullifys everything, even magic, because they all have the same source
<Eridana> So we've got some explaino there instead of 'IT JUST WORKS'
<Oyu> ...I just had this idea on things
<Sylum> I did have an idea for an Alt charater already, Cveta, I'll need to talk to Oyu bout it cause like, sisters
<Oyu> phases if we use the cosmic origin
<Oyu> over the course of all time things in lifeforms 'unlock'
<Eridana> ...
<Eridana> A level system?
<Eridana> Because I'd love that
<Oyu> Well my idea was actually sorta like this
<Oyu> at the start of time was the first phase, as magic was usable and very present, as if natural to the universe
<Oyu> and then over time the next phase came, and psychics began to appear, psionics
<Oyu> different 'classifications' of powers would appear at later points in time
<Oyu> with mutations being the most recent of them
<Eridana> Ahhhhh I see.
<Sylum> what about Science?
<Oyu> Science I think might be unique in that it is purely of the ingenuity of the organisms themselves
<Sylum> So, Science?
<Oyu> magic and psychics are natural, while mutations are induced
<Oyu> but science things would be separate
<Sylum> Maybe use the Source as a Powersource to do the more impossible sciency things
<Oyu> Science is a purely sapient invention, but as they learn more about the source they can tap into it
<Oyu> rather than use what is given to them by it
<Oyu> I am super interested what Eri had in mind with levels
<Oyu> too
<Eridana> I am not sure
<Eridana> But If there was a tangible way to judge powerlevels based on something like cosmic essence or soulforce or something equally comic sounding
<Oyu> Mmmm
<Eridana> that'd help to match characters up based on strength and also add some fluff
<Oyu> I have to admit that having the universe stuff based on a Source is really fucking interesting to me
<Eridana> Mmmmmm
<Oyu> since it simultaneously gives a kinda... end all be all
<Oyu> one that nobody could control
<Eridana> I would just like there to be a constant force that no one can one-up, yeah
<Eridana> Removes a need for a constant power-wang contest
<Oyu> the name of the game would be how well one can use what is derived of it
<Oyu> And also is a thing that wouldn't screw up human civilization too much
<Oyu> things like religion or lack thereof could be supported by its existence instead of just directly going GOD IS DEAD ONLY SUPERBOY PRIME IS HERE or I'M GOD NOW
<Oyu> and some people would see it as a political or even economic source once they start understanding more
<Oyu> as well as making people a bit afraid of it
<Oyu> the reason that Source-Derived entities would be feared, magicians and psychics and mutants, would be because their powers are far less understood and possibly more unpredictable than the advances of science
<Oyu> wow I'm really into this
<Eridana> yas boi
<Eridana> yas
<Oyu> honestly that even solves the x-men problem
<Oyu> like how come some mutant girl who can change the color of leaves is lynched while spiderman is shitting around
<Oyu> totally loved
<Oyu> in this instance, the science-derived abilities are things that are easier to control and study and manage
<Oyu> while you cannot particularly quantify the source-derived abilities
<Oyu> the only thing we might need to figure is if theological things are present and their role
<Oyu> like in covengers the existence of demons from hell more or less confirms there's heaven and hell
<Sylum> I did have an idea for Cveta, but its pretty much Science Ala, Advance super suit for the flying and lightninging, freeze bombs, bluish skin do to Strength potion
<Eridana> Might b cool
<Oyu> a lot of mythological things can be explained via the Magic source, fairies could be a thing, creatures and entities that have been around a long time and are based wholly in magic
<Sylum> course, just an idea. Ala are a teamthing with Dora
<Eridana> OH SHIT THAT'S WHAT I MEANT
<Eridana> BY LEVELS
<Oyu> Oh my, to you both
<Eridana> I was thinking that if the cosmic source splits off to influence all the various root power origins
<Eridana> I don't see any reason why it couldn't be traced to have its cosmic branches in other realms, allowing demoms and angles by the same conventions.
<Oyu> Mmm, and the demon/angel dichotomy would be a split of absolute good and absolute evil in the Source that encompasses all
<Eridana> Mmmm.
<Oyu> the Source really seems to be like we discovered god
<Eridana> Maybe we could do some sort of elemental deal
<Oyu> but in a way that it doesn't explicitly say either
<Oyu> because just as easily someone could take a more... jainist view
<Sylum> Maybe the Source spilts up? Going to light/dark, then elements?
<Eridana> Where devils are beings of the cosmic energy influenced by their home realm
<Sylum> all the same, but different
<Oyu> the jains believed there was a source of the universe, and things were tiered around it
<Oyu> they didn't think there was exactly a god behind it all
<Oyu> they thought "this is how things simply are"
<Oyu> so the argument of theology vs atheism would still be a viable one for people
<Oyu> the creator and supreme would still be something just vague enough to maintain a setting where we can have realistic human interaction
<Oyu> and yes, to you both
<Oyu> the angels and demons and the elementals
<Sylum> oh man, Sylum would just be a small mass of Source Energy that bonded with a coat
<Oyu> they are the most connected of all to the source
<Sylum> why didn't we think of this thing sooner?
<Oyu> and of course Sylum would be something with the scientists trying to tap into the source
<Oyu> making an 'artificial elemental'
<Oyu> a manmade being of source
* Sylum loves it
<Sylum> should we think of an origin to the Source?
<Eridana> Nahhhh
<Eridana> The Source should just
<Eridana> be
<Oyu> Nope. That's what I kinda love about it.
<Sylum> Yeye
<Oyu> Its always been
<Eridana> Because if the Source has a genesis
<Eridana> or worse, a creator
<Eridana> Then it voids the reason why we chose it
<Sylum> this could actually explain another problem with Mutants
<Sylum> Like, how some powers just seem straight up magic
<Oyu> There simply isn't anything that we could know, even the angels and demons and elementals wouldn't be able to truly know the truth themselves, they are simply the most attuned into it and have an understanding of their own purpose
<Sylum> Bone Claws seem like a mutation, but how is Teleporting one?
<Oyu> Mhm!
<Oyu> The physical mutations of the source can have non-physical aspects because the source itself is inside of it
<Oyu> meanwhile, mystical energies and psionics are something capable to all people to learn
<Eridana> X-Men had a problem of allowing characters to develop mutations that were basically
<Eridana> 'access to magic'
<Oyu> >magik
<Eridana> Which really muddied the original intention
<Sylum> Like the whole Phonix thing?
<DeftBeck> I like Beast's mutation because it made him more attractive to me over time
<Eridana> No now see
<Eridana> Phoenix was explicitly mentioned as an outside cosmic force
<Eridana> THE Phoenix
<Eridana> Not Jean Grey
<Eridana> The Phoenix Force
<Sylum> Oh, sorry
<Eridana> Nah its cool
<Oyu> then there's... the scarlet witch
<Oyu> and they went around like
<Oyu> "her power is hex magic!"
<Oyu> "but she's a mutant"
<Oyu> "no its reality warping"
<Oyu> "no its magic but better than everybody's"
<Eridana> That is actually something quite relevant
<Eridana> Because the phoenix force is a cosmic energy entity
<Eridana> A nexus of psionic energy that has no allegiance.
<Oyu> at least is supposed to be written that is has no allegiance
<Eridana> I'd like if we took some of the writing of The Phoenix Force to use in the Source if we go with the Source.
<Sylum> I hope we do use the Source
<Oyu> I mean, the Source seems a lot like the phoenix force but would not be an entity that would actively do things itself
<Oyu> it works through the aspects
<Eridana> My ideal Source
<Sylum> We're using The Source as the name right?
<Oyu> the magical aspects, the psionic, the angels and demons and elementals
<Sylum> nothing else fits
<Oyu> Yes I think we should
<Eridana> Is like a giant battery.
<Eridana> With metaphysical wires connecting to each and every living being.
<Eridana> And when the Source 'turns on' their circuit, the powers start to show.
<Oyu> That's exactly how I was thinking it really. There is a cosmic thing, it is endless and seems to bend all laws around it, and can allot that pure energy outwards to be used for specific things along circuits
<Oyu> electricity itself is a very uniform thing and yet we use it for so many variety of things
<Eridana> It has no form. It has no being. No presence and no self. It is everything and all, but also nothing.
<Eridana> It is the anti-thing to the somethings and everythings.
<Eridana> The nothing to give definition to the something.
<Eridana> I'm getting sort of philosopher here but you get the idea
<Sylum> probably does have a physical form, or even an non physical one
<Sylum> Doesn't*
<Oyu> From there the real way you decide things is what exactly you think the way of the world should be
<Eridana> I feel like having it be a perception fucker.
<Eridana> Whatever you see it as, that is what it is.
<Eridana> But that's you. Not your neighbor.
<Oyu> with the most common one being what is defined as holy, the good aligned of the pure source beings, and one can argue their way is the right one
<Oyu> but that is for you to decide
<Eridana> This sort of opens the door for religion/cult avenues, since its a group perception.
<Eridana> ITS ALL ABOUT HOW YOU TWIST IT, LADS
<Oyu> if there is any kind of "supreme will" that guides things we really cannot be sure 100%, as the only concrete is the source, so the idea of having faith or not is still a decision that can be made
<Eridana> Yeah.
<Oyu> which is pretty integral to the human experience that often gets thrown out the window in comics
<Eridana> The Source, if anything, is just an interferer.
<Sylum> this entire idea is 👌👍👌
<Oyu> Plus I mean, I don't know if we'd revisit the pantheon ideas like Anna did with the irish gods
<Oyu> but it would still be possible, since they'd be source derivative and we already kinda accept they aren't actually the capital G gods
<Eridana> I prefer to stay away from god ideas
<Oyu> I do too
<Eridana> But it'd be easy to say something like
<Eridana> 'they are representations of gods from story that the stories were based off'
<Eridana> Doesn't mean they are necessarily gods
<Oyu> Like, we have angels
<Eridana> They might just be really old Source-chosen
<Oyu> they'd sorta be like that
<Oyu> ^
<Sylum> I thought we had like, One?
<Eridana> Because shit back then would have been godly since it was the genesis of the human race and anything of that kind would be fucking WEW
<Eridana> We have Prince
<Eridana> Who is supposedly a Principality
<Eridana> But it might be a case of chosen mutation through god i dunno lad
<Eridana> And I had Vessel who was a host for an angel
<Eridana> But she didn't really get used
<Oyu> actually I do admit that part of my ideas for this come from my Bull story I might never do. In that story there was a tablet that tapped into some cosmic power made when humanity started settling down in the neolithic, and from that it created very powerful entities they worshiped as the sumerian gods
<Eridana> Mmmmm.
<Oyu> I even was to imply
<Oyu> that humans willed them into being themselves
<Oyu> since they wanted to have something to look up to out there in the fertile crescent when life was still a mystery
<Oyu> and part of the Bull's plan to "separate this world from the rest of the universe" is from his realization that no, he isn't a supreme god
<Oyu> he's really just an entity on a small planetary scale in a sea of billions of stars
<Eridana> I am interest!
<Oyu> it made him feel irrelevant
<Eridana> Small man's syndrome
<Oyu> so, his plan was to use that cosmic energy to isolate the solar system from the rest of creation, or attempt to
<Oyu> to create a world of true meaning
<Oyu> no aliens could interfere
<Oyu> it is just him and everybody else
<Oyu> that is the Bull arc, and what the heroes would thwart
<Eridana> If you were thinking of it
<Eridana> I'd say port that
<Eridana> That'd be a cool
<Eridana> I would like to try and limit some of the whole 'pull a character from real stories who are awesome and powerful but never get used as a result after hype dies down'.
<Eridana> But with this system, we can do stuff like that and also have them able to be matched
<Eridana> And with the interaction with the Source and its respective branches, we could have this done in a way that isn't just 'nuh uh you can't do that'
<Oyu> Yep. The Bull really is just a relic of old power that can be faced. I don't plan to steal anybody else from mythology to give it some kind of credibility.
<Eridana> Fun, freedom and consistency.
<Eridana> That is what my main desires are.
<Oyu> Da!
<Eridana> I want the science nerd college genius character to be able to make the incorporeal monster tethering device and have there be at least a ghost of a reason WHY it actually would work, rather than just going full Reed and saying 'IT JUST DOES, ALSO I SELF-DIAGNOSED AUTISM AND AM WORKING TO CURE IT'
<Oyu> Mhm! Ghosts and spirits are a lot easier to explain with this to boot.
<Eridana> Like, no that isn't clever OR fun. That's just bandaiding.
<Sylum> I kinda wish this wasn't just a Nuniverse thing, cause there is a lot that can be explained easily with this
<Eridana> Maybe the device severs the ghost's binding to the Source and in turn pushes them into the corporeal realm? Maybe it pulls the source energy from the ghostie to be used in a sort of feedback weapon to blast it back into non-existence!
<Eridana> Like, that sounds a lot cooler than just 'okay I made the thing and it'll work, trust'.
<Oyu> Mhm! The soul itself isn't made of the source, but it uses it to tether into reality and have presence
<Sylum> Sylum, how Salesman can Alchemy without Equivalent Exchange, Triangle mans powers
<Oyu> so severing it
<Sylum> those are just me peronally
<Oyu> would
<Oyu> BUST THE GHOST
<Eridana> YOU GOT IT
* Eridana throws the confetti
<Oyu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tdyU_gW6WE
<Eridana> And yeah Sylum, potentially everything can be retrofitted for this
<Oyu> necessary video
<Sylum> wow
<Sylum> that singer does not match his voice at all
<Oyu> >and thats how ghost things can be handled by magic fugs AND science fugs
<Eridana> And it could encourage coop between magics and techs!
<Eridana> Gotta locate ghost, gotta build tether!
<Oyu> the ghostbusters movies would fit entirely into this setting
<Oyu> you know
<Oyu> without a hitch
<Sylum> so, if you could separate a ghost from the Source, thus Busting it, what would make humans different so they couldn't be separated too?
<Oyu> Humans have corporeal bodies, basically
<Oyu> ghosts linger here where they have no anchor but the source
<Oyu> WHICH
<Oyu> is why they would want to possess people
<Oyu> because it reinforces their anchor
<Eridana> YES
<Oyu> and magic and further things can aid in this as well
<Oyu> as well as fight them off
<Oyu> which is where the practice of spirit warding in all of history is
<Eridana> Since magic is just reshaped source, it could be used to radar the source energy being used to bind the ghost
<Eridana> And we essentially have magitech open as well
<Oyu> Mhm. And psitech.
<Oyu> And mutations are sort of this middle ground.
<Sylum> psitech?
<Eridana> Like, rifles that shoot psi-blasts.
<Eridana> Grenades that can cause disorientation for crowd control.
<Eridana> Psi Riot-police.
<Oyu> things that tie into the mind
<Eridana> Psychic energy being harnessed into tech devices.
<Sylum> aah
<Oyu> Magic is source naturally reshaped for use, Psi is mental source that all life has, Mutations are almost like directly fusing source, and then Science is applying rational method to using the source itself and its branches
<Sylum> Psilum
* Sylum now has ideas for Alt Sylum
<Oyu> Then of course there's the basic matter and biological of things
<Eridana> There is also the divide between Science and Tech, yeah
<Sylum> wha
<Sylum> But, isnt Science and Tech the same?
<Oyu> so aliens could still be biologically 'powered' in natural ways, like having strength and such, without that being a directly source thing, just a result of their evolution separate from ours
<Eridana> Tech mainly covering harnessing Source via devices, whereas Science could be inducing Source effects with the aid of chemistry, biology, physics.
<Sylum> aah
<Eridana> It's how you can have legions of deathbots, and then on the other side have the Hulk.
<Eridana> Or Honey Lemon.
<Oyu> Eri as a character would still be explainable as being something of alien biology
<Oyu> which might be the sorta unofficial 5th power category
<Oyu> the natural
<Oyu> we as humans have the natural too
<Eridana> >muh CoH origins returning
<Eridana> MMM.
<Oyu> like just our bodies as they are, and how they can be biologically changed is the natural
<Oyu> which is very much of course tethered in matter and reality rather than source
<Oyu> so no magic bullshit outta that
<Oyu> psionic ability may tie into it
<Eridana> The problem is how that differentiates from Mutation.
<Oyu> obviously humans are better at it than squirrels
<Eridana> I think Natural would have something to do with changing latent potential of a being.
<Eridana> Whereas mutation is deviation from the norm.
<Oyu> Yep. Mutation is the impossible
<Oyu> Spiderman is a mutation
<Oyu> but Captain America is natural
<Oyu> so to speak
<Oyu> so having people with enhanced conditions or healing factors thanks to some ingenious science is still on the table, as well as mixing with ayyyy dna if ever necessary
<Oyu> but anything further requires source
<Sylum> would Multi need Source?
<Oyu> Mayhaps. Depends on how you spin it.
<Oyu> If its like supernatural and can go from a single cell, yeah
<Oyu> I dunno, Eri, thoughts?
<Eridana> I'd call it mytation.
<Eridana> You never really gave an origin, but it feels most like mutation.
<Oyu> I diiiiiiiiiiiid have another idea!
<Oyu> Origins.
<Oyu> We could write them out.
<Eridana> Whatcha mean friend?
<Sylum> yeah it always was just a Bad mutation, never gave an explination in the story I did
<Eridana> Ah yeah then straight up mutation.
<Eridana> Very severe mutation.
<Oyu> We had dossiers but only a few included origins as whole
<Oyu> not more than brief glosses over
<Oyu> It could help keep things together if we had origins written out and compiled for quick checking
<Oyu> We compiled art before, and did a few dossiers
<Oyu> but never put them together
<Eridana> For Nu or Classic?
<Oyu> for classic
<Oyu> I think that nu
<Oyu> could have origin things
<Oyu> if people wanted we could even have origin story rps
<Oyu> since most characters in covengers appear after the fact
<Eridana> Yeah!
<Eridana> I've been tweaking Eri's origins for a while but I've finally got something concrete
<Eridana> So laying that out would be good.
<Oyu> Like, take Oyu for example
<Oyu> we only know her backstory secondhand if at all
<Oyu> she showed up and she does things
<Oyu> but never wrote down or showed the things that made her as she is
<Oyu> whiiich in comics is important
<Oyu> of course some characters are "always have been"
<Oyu> but there's usually an integral point to start at
<Oyu> to introduce them
<Oyu> and their current way of thinking and goals
<Sylum> I think I have Sy covered in that aspect, just a bit
<Oyu> The only character I was particularly satisfied with not going into full detail about their backstory was Sinclair
<Oyu> who had his whole character built on the mystery
<Oyu> but moooost characters aren't Sinclair
<Oyu> like for example, if there was an rp about Eri's accident
<Oyu> seeing her beforehand
<Oyu> seeing what happened after
<Oyu> it hits a lot more close to home than implying it in the background
<Eridana> Mmmm, something I would have been glad to do had her origin not relied on people that left shortly after the project's inception.
<Oyu> The thread-start format kinda does encourage the unseen backstory
<Oyu> since you can't do one in the thread that wasn't the point of the thread
<Oyu> In a way, the nuverse gives an opportunity to try things we never could
<Eridana> Nuverse, new start.
<Eridana> Clean, pure.

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<Bud> Hrm oh well
<Bud> So anyway, collected thoughts aside
<Bud> Tell me about the newverse
<AnnaClaskovic> eyo eri
<Bud> I read the pastebin and halfway in I got some hard shadowrun vibes
<Eridana> heya
<Eridana> Buhhh whatcha wanna know
<Eridana> And also tell me about these shadowrun vibes, omae
<Bud> Mainly with the spiritual stuff, The Source and technology
<Bud> Reminded me of
<Bud> Essence
<Bud> And Shadowrun's fucked up magic fun land
<Bud> So I got vibes that newverse is in some kinda future
<Eridana> Its a possibility, yeah
<Eridana> I can feel that sorta thing coming off it
<Eridana> Which I feel is a real good thing
<Bud> yes
<Eridana> I don't know where we'd begin working on next
<Eridana> We'd have to establish more setting details
<Bud> Seems futurey
<Bud> Start FUTURE
<Bud> maybe 2035 or somewhere far enough to have breathing room
<Eridana> But not too far as to phase out modern relatable stuff
<Bud> 2034.9
<Eridana> Actually, starting everything on the cusp of the new year would be a good intro to the setting with the emergence of mutation variation Source folks.
<Bud> The ball is in motion
<HardcoreOyu> MMmmmm
<Eridana> We could totally do a timeline thing about it
<Eridana> Magic began at X maybe with the discovery of fire caused by some neolithic pyromancer, Great inventions began with the advent of alchemy and precursor science at time Y, Great heros like Gilgamesh and such were the emergence of Natural source enhanced
<Eridana> And now, beginning in the year 2035, The Source has begun altering beings directly. No one knows for what purpose, only that people are being born with fins and wings and horns.
<Eridana> Depends on how it sounds to y'all tho
<Bud> Sounds neat to me
<Bud> Unless characters are supposed to be a bit more aged with the powers I suppose? Depends on if there's some level system
<Eridana> You would be able to have outliers
<Eridana> What I mean is that mutations would come into the public eye at this time due to an increase in prevalence
<HardcoreOyu> Yiss
<Bud> mmmmyes
<Eridana> Could easily have some sort of ancient reptile that mutated to become more humanoid.
<Eridana> There you go, George Bush.
<Eridana> Oh man Reptiloid conspiracy could totally be a legitimate concern in this.
<Bud> T-that's silly you little goy
<Bud> I mean guy
<Bud> (make it happen)
<Eridana> Okay, although I'd like multiple locations instead of just one central city like Neon
<Eridana> What would our first location be
<Bud> Chicago
<Bud> Anchorage Alaska
<HardcoreOyu> I want somewhere old world too
<Bud> Latvaria
<Bud> Latvarian village overrun with lovecraftian monsters
<Bud> (laugh)
<Sylum> oh fuck we talking Nuniverse?
<Eridana> Yep.
<Sylum> Sorry for being quiet, read what was said
<Eridana> All good.
<Sylum> I think we should continue the Chemical Name thing
<Eridana> Wjhat do you thin so far?
<Eridana> Chemical name?
<Eridana> What like Neon and Xenon and shit?
<Sylum> Yeah
<Sylum> Neon, Xenon, Argon
<Eridana> I am 100% no
<Eridana> But why do you suggest
<Sylum> to keep the theme going in all honesty
<Sylum> I'm 100% cool with other names
<Eridana> Considering we did say this was a completely different thing, I'd like to have an opportunity to use different names
<Sylum> also, I like the Lizard People thing being true, they'd probably have a secret force to make sure no Regular Lizard People walk around freely
<Eridana> And yes
<Sylum> keep lizards a secret
<Eridana> reptile witness protection
<Sylum> yee
<Eridana> But yeah, I don't want the theming limitation because when a small french hamlet explodes into a bustling metropolis due to an influx of source-enhanced refugees, if its named Neon, it'll be a bit out of place
<Eridana> Plus the periodic naming scheme was very much localized to Neon and its surroundings, so if we wanted to just completely remake Neon in this without all the corpshit influence, we totally could WHILST keeping the naming scheme for that
<Bud> Fostor home in remote village for children with some odd mutation
<Bud> Totally not X-men based*
<Eridana> Whatcha think o fthat?
<Eridana> Foster's Home for Imaginary Conditions
<Bud> But that's tumblr
<Bud> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
<HardcoreOyu> hwat
<Eridana> 10/10
<Bud> I dunno
<Bud> I'd personally skip the old naming
<Bud> f r e s h
<Eridana> If covengers was set in the gulf, I think a cold environs like Alaska would be nice
<HardcoreOyu> I always love cold stuffs
<Bud> Cold future cud b gud
<Sylum> Ye I can see that, nice parallel
<Bud> http://dl9fvu4r30qs1.cloudfront.net/2e/258840bee711e19f68123138165f92/file/youve-got-to-be-fucking-kidding-me-5-things-you-might-not-know-about-john-carpenter-the-thing.jpg
<Bud> cud
<Bud> be
<Bud> gud
<Sylum> dammit he tricked us
<Eridana> hoo boy
<Sylum> Wait, I'm safe!
<Sylum> No DN-FUCK ALT UNIVERSE
<Lock> didn't we do a cold thing with Isi putting the city in like a snowy hellscape for winter
<Sylum> iirc
<Eridana> It was only 5 minutes, it was fine
<Sylum> Bud payed her to do so
<Lock> >snow on an island city in the gulf
<Lock> >fine
<Lock> PANICK. EVERYWHERE.
<Bud> isi done it for free
<Bud> it was comfy to her
<HardcoreOyu> Isi does it for free you just have to ask
<Lock> :O
<Bud> "can you make it cold p-"
<Bud> before you finish talking there's snow everywhere
<Bud> and ice
<HardcoreOyu> its GREAT
<Lock> 10,000 people died
<Lock> cars into buildings
<Lock> INTO PARKS
<Lock> FLIPPING AND TWIRLING THROUGH THE AIR
<Lock> THE POOR BIRDS
<Lock> WINDOWS ON EVERY BUILDING SHATTERING AT ONCE DUE TO GLASS GRADE
<HardcoreOyu> dumb birbs went south
<AnnaClaskovic> caps
<Lock> 'WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR COLD SNAPS IN THE GULF OF MEXICO'
<HardcoreOyu> thinking they'd escape winter
<HardcoreOyu> we got winter here
<Lock> 'THESE WINDOWS CAN BE THIN'
<HardcoreOyu> lock calm pls
<Lock> Glass everywhere.
<Lock> No survivors.
<Bud> Maybe they should have worn shoes
<Bud> Why won't you all stop walking barefoot through broken glass
<Lock> Episode 3 of Daredevil season 2
<AnnaClaskovic> tbh I'm not sure about the idea of an alt universe
<HardcoreOyu> I still think that the covengers verse can be used
<HardcoreOyu> since we've built a lot into it
<Eridana> I fully intend to use covengers still
<Eridana> worked too hard
<Bud> yeh
<Bud> newverse just a fun side thing
<Bud> because
<Bud> we can
<AnnaClaskovic> iunno
<AnnaClaskovic> I think a problem that would be faced is people just incorporating ideas that have already been a thing in covengers
<AnnaClaskovic> I know it's an alt universe and people can just use alt versions of their characters and that's somewhat the point
<Eridana> Such as what, friendo
<AnnaClaskovic> well
<AnnaClaskovic> it's an alt universe right?
<Eridana> We've been torn on whether its alt or just new entirely
<HardcoreOyu> ^
<Bud> I would vouch for new entirely
<AnnaClaskovic> ah. but my point still stands.
<Eridana> I think the general idea is new entirely with importing idea being open
<Eridana> You're afraid of people just rehashing their ideas?
<AnnaClaskovic> yeah.
<Eridana> And making the same mistakes or just rehashing them in general?
<AnnaClaskovic> no, my problem is it'll just be the same game but with different colors if people decide to rehash ideas.
<Eridana> Ahhhhh I see.
<AnnaClaskovic> like even if it's entirely new.
<AnnaClaskovic> what if I didn't see this problem, and just made anna a watergirl and put her in the other project?
<AnnaClaskovic> or what if an event villain someone has was brought in from covengers to that universe and did the exact same thing?
<Eridana> You'd be able to play a different take on Anna at least, and I think with foresight from previous dealings it'd be a bit harder to completely repeat an event villain by just going 'oops'.
<HardcoreOyu> There could be a restriction made that you can't just copy things over
<HardcoreOyu> which is a tiny bit limiting but would keep it clear that the nuverse isn't just for continuing old things
<Lock> pretty sure you can trust your peers enough to not reshell ideas
<Bud> I would say also working with a 'system' to help these things
<HardcoreOyu> its good that this is brought up
<Eridana> We've already got a solid base on which everything works instead of just willy-nilly throwing things down, so that would help to limit straight carbon copies.
<Eridana> Only somewhat, but its there
<Eridana> Plus let's be honest, I think we're all far too self-conscious about our work to miss when we're doing something that shouldn't be done again.
<HardcoreOyu> ^
<Lock> guffy and i would fight a mutha fucka tryin' to reshill technomancer
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<Lock> pow pow
<AnnaClaskovic> reshill?
<Bud> I don't know what prompts me to say this but I bet Technomancer would get his ass kicked in Shadowrun
<Eridana> Technomancer is standard fare in SR
<Lock> reshell, reuse
<Lock> and Technomancer would fit in priddy well in SR.
<Lock> Remind me to do a theme run.
<Eridana> I'll only involve myself with Techno if there is quality krumpin gits in it again
<Lock> i have no idea what you just said
<Eridana> boyz gots ta git stuk in
<Lock> ...
<Lock> yes
<Eridana> But yes
<Eridana> I don't think rehashing cheaply would be something that'd be easy to slip past any of us
<Bud> yehp
<Sylum> just to check, you can make alt versions of characters, but not just the character themself?
<Eridana> I don't see any issue with reimaginings
<Eridana> As long as it isn't a copy-paste
<Sylum> cool cooll
<Bud> I want make mook
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<Eridana> mewk
<Oyu> okay why mibbit
<Bud> mibbit is a bully
<Sylum> wbwb
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<Bud> THE
<Bud> BALL
<Eridana> I've lost my train of thought
<Sylum> same ._.
<Eridana> Location!
<Eridana> That's what we were on about.
<Sylum> if we want cold 24/7, Alaska
<Sylum> or Canada
<Bud> No Canadians allowed
<Bud> Untrustworthy
<Bud> Shifty
<Bud> Greedy
<Bud> Canadians
<Sylum> but
<Sylum> Lantern
<Eridana> There's also like
<Eridana> Vermont or Montana
<Eridana> Alaska seems pretty nice tho
<Bud> Future Alaska sounds like a fun idea
<Oyu> agreedod
<Eridana> Alaska's got nice woodland too!
<Bud> And bears
<Bud> Delicious bears
<Sylum> is bear meat good?
<Sylum> No
<Sylum> Seasoning is what makes a steak~
<Sylum> that was a legit question that I saw a chance to pun
<Bud> BEAR STEAK IS KING
<Eridana> If we plop the city right at the foot of the Coast Mountains
<Eridana> If we put it on the Gulf of Alaska
<Eridana> I'm going to laugh a lot
<Bud> I can see some potential depending on how the city in Alaska is done
<Bud> Yes
<Eridana> Then again
<Eridana> If this is an old place that's been built up, it'd make sense for it to be along the Alaskan Marine Highway
<Eridana> For purposes of sea trade and gradual colonization
<Bud> How big and advanced a city could we be looking at here
<Eridana> Anchorage has a population of around 290,000
<Eridana> Within the borough
<Eridana> But the capital city, Juneau has around 32,000
<Bud> Hrmm
<Eridana> So if we're going with fictional city we've got a lot of room to breathe
<Bud> I keep thinking there's a prevalence of otherworldly monsters
<Sylum> people/creatures that had a bad effect with the Source?
<Eridana> Oh definitely.
<Eridana> We spoke on how The Source would give way to angels and demons and the like
<Sylum> what about Lovecraft creatures?
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<Eridana> I guess you could twist it how you wish
<Eridana> I'd say they are some sort of self-willed primitive consciousness that tried to manifest and just
<Eridana> Came out wrong
<Eridana> But each could be different
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<Bud> Next on the News at 11: Local authorities shoot unarmed, horrible creature. More at 12
<Lock> Nyarlothep Running For Congress
<Sylum> pff
<Sylum> Nyarlothep would probably be the most messed up thing made by the Source. seeing how he has literally thousands of horrifying forms
<Eridana> Nyarlathotep would be like
<Eridana> One of the first beings that tried to will itself into existence
<Sylum> yeah
<Eridana> Another reason I like the Source system
<Eridana> Is that even when you have big elder god things
<Eridana> You can still come up with a way for the average super team to beat them or at least stop their plans
<Eridana> So its not like Azathoth's "If he wakes up, you've already lost"
<Eridana> I'm guessing the highest authority in the city would be the mayor's office this time?

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<Eridana> we should work toward being ant-man level of good
<Salesman> yee
<Oyu> :D
<Eridana> >tfw have a nuniverse concept already
<Eridana> I must
<Eridana> stick with this
<Salesman> oh?
<Eridana> STICK TO THE LIMIT
<Eridana> Yeah a character concept came to me
<Oyu> Oh boy
<Oyu> yes
<Eridana> and I'm telling myself that I'm only allowed the one so I need to make it GUD
* Oyu spreads the inspiration
<Salesman> do tell the idea
<Eridana> I don't want to give too much away yet
<Eridana> I'm going off the phrase 'Young artist, bound to the Source'
<Salesman> Painter?
<Eridana> many art mediums
<Eridana> Scuplting, painting, sketching
<Salesman> ooh
<Salesman> Nice
<Eridana> Mostly sculpting and painting
<Eridana> Probably be just those
<Eridana> She's a summoner-type
<Oyu> Mmmf
<Eridana> But I'm sorta going back to my roots in a big way
<Eridana> So we'll just have to see
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<Oyu> oho?
<Eridana> Back to the Ick
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<Salesman> I think I may have had an idea for an Alt Sy type thing
<Salesman> Wb Defto
<Salesman> Emotion Paradox...not sure what the Paradox would be but I like the name, sue me
<Salesman> its pretty much what he is now, but his body changes  to match different emotions. Angry would make him bright red and firey, Sad blue and water like etc etc
<Eridana> Oh damn
<Eridana> so he's a mood ring hero
<Salesman> pretty much
<Salesman> the Experiment that made him wouldn't have been a failure
<Eridana> Remember, Xenon no existo
<Eridana> so ye gotta remedy that
<Salesman> I already did
<Salesman> coulda sworn I showed you
<Salesman> http://pastebin.com/VSgpE6XN
<Salesman> man I need to fix the errors in this, I think I made it late at night or while sleepy in school
<Eridana> All good all good
<Oyu> I was thinking about going with a science hero. Powerless but part of a program that is attempting to make source weaponry.
<Eridana> Remember you also have to have him be in line with the Source.
<Oyu> At this stage only able to exhibit it through very blunt, raw energy
<Salesman> is the fact he would be Pure Energy in a limited form work?
<Salesman> So, Laser blasters Oyu?
<Oyu> The way I envision them
<Oyu> sorta like kiryu's masers
<Eridana> pew pew phase-
<Eridana> pew pew masers
<Oyu> they are very wild and winding
<Oyu> almost look like ghost busters beams
<Eridana> Raw and uncontained
<Eridana> Arcing everywhich way
<Eridana> Like a real lightning!
<Oyu> Yep!
<Eridana> Also yeah I think it could work Sy
<Salesman> I always get confused when people say Kiryu
<Eridana> I don't think he would be pure Source tho
<Salesman> just say MechaGodzilla dammit >:Y
<Salesman> Nah, probably not
<Eridana> Maybe some form of human-produced substrate energy
<Oyu> I call him Kiryu because he's a special boy
<Eridana> Because emotion has to come from humans
<Salesman> I was also thinking his current form [Anger, sadness] would have minor effects on those around him
<Eridana> You might have varying success with that
<Salesman> Like, they would be slightly madder, or more joyfull
<Eridana> Yeah I getcha
<Eridana> I don't know how well that'd come out though, when you're telling people that they might feel more mad at a certain point
<Eridana> Might be kinda cliunky?
<Eridana> Clunk*
<Salesman> yeah, hence why it might not happen
<Oyu> Its true, mental inducement things are a little funky
<Eridana> You COULD work it in a different, more subtle way maybe.
<Salesman> maybe he himself is effected by those around him? if hes near someone mad he gains the fire form
<Salesman> as you said, 'emotion has to come from humans'
<Eridana> Like instead of saying 'everyone around would feel more easily mad now' you could say something like 'the air was becoming warmer, and the wind stronger or so it seemed'
<Eridana> And that is an idea but remember
<Eridana> If you're in an RP with upwards of 3-4+ people
<Eridana> That is a lot of emotion to track
<Eridana> And most of it conflicting
<Salesman> Yeah
<Eridana> Maybe have him change with what HE feels is the strongest emotion in the room at that moment
<Eridana> Perception helps and all
<Salesman> Yee that can work
<Salesman> Sorry for taking the spotlight Oyu, tell us more bout Science Laser man
<Oyu> I've mostly just been thinking about the fact that if, say, a hero has this technology it definitely has to be out there to a certain degree.
<Oyu> Even if it is brand new, experimental stuff
<Oyu> people would be after it
<Oyu> or trying to emulate it
<Salesman> how would on tap into the Source?
<Salesman> one*
<Eridana> I have no idea
<Oyu> I think since the discovery, there would be some kind of atomic way to go about producing source energy
<Oyu> A reaction that yields it
<Eridana> Tapping directly into the source seems like it would be perilous
<Eridana> Like, its literally volatile cosmic energy responsible for a lot of cool shit
<Eridana> Maybe tapping into it via proxy is the way to go
<Oyu> Da, that was my train of thought
<Oyu> it wouldn't just be the pure stuff
<Oyu> it would be a percentage maintained along a current
<Salesman> Everyone and thing has The Source running through them right?
<Oyu> sort of a formula would have to be made to get the right amount going
<Eridana> Maybe it has some sort of projection medium like plasma for blood
<Salesman> I was thinking the guy himself would use the Source energy running through him to power the guns
<Oyu> I was thinking perhaps there are materials out there that are better used as a medium like that
<Oyu> That's another option, which would be tapping into psionic source which is the kind of innate type?
<Eridana> Depending on how you play that, it could be very OP or very damning
<Eridana> or a place in the middle, who knows
<Oyu> Well the way I see it is that its so early and so frail that this is the smallest percentage
<Oyu> it really cannot do too much
<Eridana> I was thinking of it from a 'Cast from HP' pov
<Eridana> Which has some good drawbacks if you want to make it a more powerful variant
<Eridana> But yeah I get what you're puttin out, cap'n
<Oyu> Drawing from personal source and casting from HP so to speak through some kind of technological medium
<Oyu> is a good option
<Eridana> I can see that being a very very well balanced powerset
<Oyu> I did kinda go for this, since as time would go on they would learn how to use it in more ways
<Oyu> perhaps give an in-road to ghost busting and other such things
<Eridana> bustin' makes me feel good
<Oyu> at the start they can only do the raw physical with it, and it would be very draining to do just that
<Oyu> but later on as they learn more and tweak it, it could start effecting magical and psionic things
<Oyu> plus just fun things like rocket boots or so such
<Salesman> yee
<Oyu> and of course as they go further along the technology would start spreading too
<Eridana> Which gives EVERYONE a tool to fight
<Eridana> but obviously there would be forerunners in the industry
<Eridana> which opens the door for VENTURE CAPITALISM
<Oyu> so they'd be an inventor type, a little ahead of the pack
<Oyu> very eager to innovate and start up VENTURE CAPITALISM
<Oyu> and would be interested in trying to augment or study how other sources of power can be used in this way
<Oyu> as well as other people's powers
<Oyu> all while physically being a basic human
<Eridana> m m m m
<Oyu> plus another balance is how unstable the tech is
<Oyu> it could malfunction and get fucky
<Eridana> Mmmmm yes
<Oyu> leading the pack has the risks of falling for shit first
<Eridana> and you could also have the whole materials/expense and materials/reliability aspects
<Oyu> Mhm. This shit ain't cheap.
<Oyu> And I don't think they're starting off rich either. May have been of some money when they started but are probably in loads of debt as of start.
<Oyu> ...whiiiich leads into hero work
<Oyu> and starting the company
<Eridana> >college startup just like google
<Salesman> cool leg forced them to hero
<Oyu> Some young genius managed to blow their entire inheritance innovating things and now has to do hero work for pay while trying to get funding for their startup
<Oyu> and avoiding people trying to nick their shit
<Oyu> didn't even plan on going into hero work but if they get pay from the locals for it, fuck it man, anything will do
<Oyu> >origin: debnts
<Eridana> hahahah
<Oyu> the introduction for them would be their first real test of it out in the field
<Oyu> where they're totally green rookieshit
<Salesman> maybe the Human thing can work for alt sy? Hes human thats been changed by Emotion+Source
<Oyu> Da, could do. Would be interesting to see how the change happened.
<Eridana> Yeah could work
<Eridana> And then he'd start off with a body too haha
<Salesman> it would probably be an experiment on the source, hell, maybe me and Oyu can work together on a science source team
<Oyu> dat startup
<Eridana> If they are in college, then we could all have folks there because my idea is a college art student anyway
<Oyu> >first location: around a college where all kinds of super shit is going down
<Salesman> so this gives us a reason for people getting to know each other too
<Salesman> no more having to meet in Bar, they just go to class together
<Eridana> Mmmmm.
<Eridana> I very much enjoy this idea.
<Oyu> >school one of the few places that encourages all this source fuckery
<Oyu> >might even have preference for powered students
<Eridana> >Superpowered staff to make sure shit doesn't get wiggly
<Eridana> Gym Teacher Man!
<Oyu> Yis
<Oyu> Was thinking. Would the mutants be the most common type of super?
<Oyu> Magics and psionics being in smaller pockets
<Oyu> and science fugs have to do it themselves
<Eridana> I think so yeah
<Salesman> I would think so yeah, I'd say magic being second biggest, what with it being the first Source fuckery
<Eridana> Given that mutants are the most recent in the spotlight, they'd be being discovered all over.
<Eridana> I think hybrids would be rarest.
<Eridana> For those that just can't fit
<Oyu> Psionics are either inborn or learned, but chances of being born with it are pretty rare and those who could teach it are usually reclusive deeks
<Oyu> while magic types probably have their own sorta secretive society thing
<Oyu> fuckin muggles
<Eridana> thought that said nuggies for a second
<Oyu> fuckin chicken mcnuggies
<Eridana> M M M
<Eridana> My idea is uh
<Eridana> Strange.
<Eridana> Basically artist gets visions from 'beyond' on her next big work.
<Eridana> She crafts these visions, through sculpting or painting.
<Eridana> And then she brings them to life as a 'template' or a 'base'.
<Eridana> Made of clay and acrylics and shit.
<Salesman> angels making her make bodies?
<Eridana> These never go out into the field.
<Eridana> But when she's out in the field, she finds ways to... 'generate' them.
<Oyu> Oooooh
<Eridana> More like outer beings than angels, Sy.
<Salesman> quick brb
<Eridana> Like, she'll envision her work and fall to all fours.
<Eridana> Before puking out an attack-dog like horror.
<Eridana> I want her to be a fleshwarper
<Eridana> But I don't know how the fuck to work it.
<Eridana> Because body horror is literally my schtick.
<Eridana> I want her to be able to do cool fleshy stuff, but also be a summoner type.
<Eridana> Hrmmm.
<Eridana> I was thinking that she somehow brings the sculptures and paintings to life all 'Stone to Flesh' D&D style but I don't know if that's too much.
<Eridana> I'm thinking occult/eldritch-themed magic origin is the way to go
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<Eridana> What do you think?
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<Eridana> b'oh dang
<Oyuu> okay what was said after you said "stone to flesh"
<Eridana> uhh
<Eridana> "I'm thinking occult/eldritch-themed magic origin is the way to go"
<Eridana> and then "what do you think?"
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<Oyuu> I'm completely on board for that. Actually, since its visions, I almost want to say that it could be psionically connected?
<Oyuu> or could be a screwy kind of hybrid, or mutation that taps into both
<Eridana> Yeah I was thinking about that, but I don't want to accidentally cover too many bases
<Oyuu> Magic probably has more rules, more spells, has a structured order to it. Psionics feels much more flowing and cerebral, and eldritch could be from a mesh of them.
<Oyuu> Which is what gives it its unnerving "off" nature.
<Eridana> Mmm. She'd have less of a variety of spells and just get more versatility from what she has.
<Eridana> Like, what I thought of in the basic forms was sort of like a Dota character in a way?
<Oyuu> I also said that the idea of turning other things around her, likely inanimate, into fleshy summons is a pretty neat idea.
<Oyuu> Or "producing" them from herself, by spitting them up or having them grow from the skin in a way
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<Sylum> Ayy sorry about that, had ta get lunch
<Oyuu> which would put some strain on her I'd think
<Oyuu> heyhey
<Sylum> What I miss?
<Eridana> Fleshwarping, Visions, Summons and then I want to say some sort of flesh generation to compensate for needing material to build from.
<Oyuu> If she is without materials she can draw it out of herself with some cost
<Oyuu> discussin the sculptor
<Eridana> So like, Fleshwarp, Visions, Regen/Cast From HP, and Summons.
<Eridana> I see it almost like a sort of triggered cancerous growth.
<Eridana> Where she just grows excess and splits it from her.
<Eridana> But then how do I work the sculpture 'base models' into it?
<Eridana> Would the material conversion be part of the 'blood rite' she uses to grow fleshies?
<Eridana> Consume and convert kinda thing?
<Sylum> Equivalent Exchange?
<Oyuu> Yep. Adding in the artistry she would have to mold and shape it herself before it can be properly exchanged
<Eridana> Hrmmm.
<Eridana> Might work.
<Eridana> I might add some extra cost on top depending on the context.
<Oyuu> Depends on what the visions call for
<Eridana> Sometimes SAN damage, sometimes fainting from blood loss, sometimes the visions come on TOO STRONG and panic her.
<Eridana> All recoverable over time, but all serious in the moment.
<Oyuu> Mmmm. Good shit
<Eridana> Origin: Eldritch is go