Hatred of debate

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+commie
Social media needs to radically change.
+khamisi
"He died with a smile on his face"
+commie
Can't do anything about people saying stuff and firing her won't stop her from saying anything so why do anything?
Right?
Maybe it's in our culture to say shit like that?
lol
but don't implement gun control in any form
because it Just Won't Work (tm)
+khamisi
Gun control is effective for some goals.
+commie
Funny how someone saying something inflammatory is more important than actual political ramifications or discussion.
+khamisi
Inflammatory speech sometimes has actual political ramifications, or modifies discussion.
+commie
We have a lot of people saying inflammatory things in many areas of social media, but tht doesn't stop anything does it?
+khamisi
That appears to be an incoherent point.
+commie
Why is it you think speech can be more curbed and controllable than guns?
Why is speech easier to act out against?
+khamisi
Because guns are manufactured at fewer places than speech is manufactured.
+commie
Mentally ill people are less likely to commit mass shootings.
This isn't an issue with mental illness.
Ignoring commie!*@*
+khamisi
The profile of the average shooter features slight to moderate mental health issues.
Yes, extreme deviations in mental health are not correlated with mass violence.
+ChumpChange
plenty of feds on IRC
they walk among us
+khamisi
ChumpChange: Digital surveillance is much more common/likely in the contemporary age.
Please, educated yourself in computer science.
I was banned from #christiandebate for quoting Jesus Christ.
+ChumpChange
lol, khamisi I'm pretty decent with technology and the interwebs
+khamisi
Why then your focus on federal agents monitoring IRC with their eyes/brain without first filtering through software?
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+ChumpChange
because IRC is FULL of feds
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+ChumpChange
brad70: it's encrypted over the internet
or offline
the alternative is a private physical connection, or offline sharing hardware
+ChumpChange
heh, brad, this is the conversation I had with him earlier... what I got out of it, was that the network is isolated until they phsyciall update it
there is no carrier...
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+ChumpChange
the only logical one would be encrypted over the internet.. because direct physical point to point carriers would not be feasible
commie: that would be over the internet
the internet is your carrier
right, unless you have dark fiber and 80km optics
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+Noodling
Oh good, more evidence that gun control is totally unnecessary...
+Noodling
sardaukar: So what?
Fewer people die a year from rape, so let's not bother banning rape any more?
That type of argument is fucking stupid.
brad70: Right, only people without guns have trouble sending over 400 people to hospital/the morgue
sardaukar: Fuck off
Seriously, just go and die or something
+CharmlessMan
this is lively :)
+Noodling
sardaukar: Like I said, fuck off.  You don't debate, why hang out in a debate room?
"Derp" is just so pathetic.
sardaukar: Like I said, fuck off.
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+Noodling
commie: Yep, it's utterly pathetic
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+Noodling
Typical of sard though, he's just a pointless waste of oxygen.
brad70: Like I said earlier, if you oppose gun control then regardless of how innocent you personally are, you are partially responsible for the 217 mass shootings in the states so far this year.
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+Noodling
brad70: Yep
+Noodling
If you don't stand for some sort of control over the distribution of weapons literally designed to kill indiscriminately, then you are partially responsible for when they are used for that purpose.
sardaukar: You're bullshit.
brad70: Yes, you are.  If you protest against gun control, you are partially responsible.
Live with your decision.
Raven`X: I'm merely responding in kind.
brad70: Yep
You are
+ChumpChange
brad70: so how can we keep guns out of the hands of the crazies?
I'm a gun owner and totally fine with common sense gun laws
+Noodling
brad70: Good.  Let it sink in and do something about the access to guns in your country.
brad70: Utterly irrelevant.
But if you care you can check my IP
Well deduced...
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+Noodling
So much for not making it personal..
Continue to fuck off, Sard
+ChumpChange
brad70: are you against any sort of proposed gun control legislation?
+Noodling
brad70: Right, it was nothing to do with his constant berating of anyone and anything that differs with his unbelievably stupid view of the world.
Fuck off, sard
brad70: Sure, but remember that you are partially to blame for the killings today.  No-one managed to refute that one
+Noodling
Hopefully people won't get over this massacre for a while.  Maybe something will finally be done to deal with the unnecessary facilitation of the killing of innocents.
+Noodling
What the hell do ISIS have to do with this?  How many people have ISIS ever killed on US soil?
+CharmlessMan
this channel has rules?
+Noodling
brad70: "Tu quoque" is a fallacy for a reason.
i.e. "But they do it worse" is a pretty pathetic argument for not sorting your own shit out.
+CharmlessMan
what are innocents innocent of anyway, what does an innocent have to do in order to deserve to die?
+Noodling
brad70: You get blamed if you blocked legislation that made it harder to acquire weapons designed to kill indiscriminately, yes.  Regardless of whether you actually shoot people yourself.
+Noodling
brad70: Awesome.  But irrelevant.  Do you support gun control?
+Noodling
I noticed the evasion there...
brad70: Well, you certainly didn't answer the question.
brad70: Try reading.  It was right here:  [21:09] <+Noodling> brad70: Awesome.  But irrelevant.  Do you support gun control?
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+CharmlessMan
isn't that like saying if you drive a car you're partly responsible for when people get run over even if all you've ever killed is a deer, two pheasants and a smattering of pigeons
+Noodling
brad70: Actually, no we didn't
+khamisi
Noodling: Many members of the American Right hate evidence and debate/
They reject the entire Enlightenment process.
+Noodling
CharmlessMan: Partially, yes.  The difference is that guns are made to be weapons, while cars are used to get from point a to point b.
+CharmlessMan
only cos people can't drive
or they're drunk
or chinese
+Noodling
In addition, I would never support the right of literally anyone to drive.  I want people who are unsafe off the road.  I want there to be minimum standards for legal driving, I want safety measures to be brought in when needed.
+khamisi
The gun debate quickly demonstrates who is capable of reason/statistical analysis.
+CharmlessMan
could do, or we could educate people so they can drive better
we could automate the cars?
+khamisi
Premise one: We can certainly reduce the rate of gun violence in the US.
+Noodling
CharmlessMan: Great idea.
+khamisi
Premise two: Many ways to reduce the rate of gun violence may be excessively costly in regards to other values.
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+CharmlessMan
trouble is if you educate people so they can shoot better, you end up with more deaths not less
+Noodling
brad70: Since this is no longer personal, could you please do your job and respond to the "fucking limeys" type comments?
+CharmlessMan
at least in theory
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+Noodling
I've done my best to ignore and not rise to sard, but he seems to be ignoring the instructions and I'd like some op action.
+khamisi
Noodling: sardaukar hates evidence and debate.
He rejects the entire Enlightenment philosophy.
Noodling: Western members of the Enlightenment school (read: anybody who highly values science) have a strong tendency to project their cognitive orientation onto others.
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+CharmlessMan
europeans don't feel the need to have guns like americans do
+khamisi
No, a majority of humans are not in the Enlightenment school or its derivatives.
+CharmlessMan
but then you can always use a knife instead
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Accurate assessment of the cognitive patterns of other humans is one of the goals of the Enlightenment schools.