[17:19] <~chaos> i really need to find some way of minimizing my responsibilities in life
[17:19] <~chaos> i feel so bad that i cant give smogon the attention it deserves
[17:19] <~chaos> but phd junk is soooo time consuming, and im not even a phd student yet
[17:19] <~chaos> :-(
[17:19] <~chaos> *school hasnt even started yet
[17:19] <+Articuno64> yeah, smogon kind of grew massive one day at a time
[17:19] <+Articuno64> started out as something we just fucked around with
[17:19] <+Articuno64> and now it requires a lot of attention
[17:20] <+Deck_Knight> Offhand question Doug: did you get a chance to look over tennis' PR?
[17:20] <~chaos> i've decided that im gonna spend at least 3 hours a week on smogon
01[17:20] <+mingot> chaos, can i have smogon? i will still let you be an admin.
[17:20] <~chaos> that should be very doable
[17:20] <&DougJustDoug> Take it to #cap
01[17:20] <+mingot> <+mingot> chaos, can i have smogon? i will still let you be an admin.
01[17:20] <+mingot> <~chaos> that should be very doable
01[17:20] <+mingot> fuck yeah
[17:20] <~chaos> especially if i plan in advance exactly what im gonna do
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[17:21] <~chaos> its just scary because before at least i had summers, christmas break, that kinda stuff
[17:21] <~chaos> now i get nothing
[17:21] <~chaos> im gonna have to be so focused to fit smogon in
[17:21] <&DougJustDoug> Just do the stuff you find interesting, when you have time. When it's an obligation or a job, it really gets frustrating too easily.
[17:21] <+Broolucks> ↑
[17:21] <~chaos> i've already decided that most of the day to day stuff will be handled by a set of sub-superadmins
[17:22] <~chaos> who will receive almost root access
[17:22] <~chaos> (at least to smogon--i host other stuff on the server)
[17:22] <+Rising_Dusk> That's good.
[17:23] <~chaos> any decisions about new projects or policy will be completely up to these sub-superadmins
[17:23] <~chaos> although if im around id like to give my two cents :)
[17:23] <+Rising_Dusk> I agree with Doug, but I think it's very important for the owner of a site to be "present" and at least accessible. It's just not the same if the owner of a site vanishes and leaves it to other admins.
[17:23] <~chaos> i want a programming-only role
[17:23] <+Scott> so its the same as it is now but with more aeoluses?
01[17:23] <+mingot> lol
[17:23] <+Articuno64> i believe the plural would be aeoli
[17:23] <~chaos> well, im going to adjust the admin list
[17:23] <+khoa> pick me! pick me!
[17:24] <+Broolucks> you found a way to fit the missing vowel in his name
[17:24] <+Broolucks> well done
[17:24] <+Articuno64> lol
[17:24] <~chaos> the new criteria for admin is: do i trust this person to make a huge decision about the smogon server or community without my input at all?
[17:24] <~chaos> and
[17:24] <+Rising_Dusk> That's the most important criteria. :P
[17:24] <+Scott> we could definitely use some more
[17:24] <+dubs> ah but broolucks now he is missing a new vowel
[17:24] <+Scott> the aeolus or bust method makes it really tough to et stuff done when hes busy
[17:24] <+Kevin_Garrett> more aeolus? ribbon hopefuls can cry now.
[17:24] <+dubs> lol
[17:25] <+khoa> NO RIbbons!
[17:25] <~chaos> ideally, these admins should confer with each other. any conflict will have to be resolved by me
[17:25] <~chaos> but hopefully that wont happen?
[17:25] <+Articuno64> conflict will now be resolved by mingot, the new owner of smogon
[17:25] <+davidstone> [2010-08-24 15:20:32] <mingot> chaos, can i have smogon? i will still let you be an admin.
[17:25] <+GreatSage> ADMINgot
[17:25] <+davidstone> [2010-08-24 15:20:34] <chaos> that should be very doable
[17:25] <~chaos> unfortunately, jumpman might be one of the admins removed. he and i have discussed this
[17:25] <~chaos> he wants to give all of his effort to Duke
[17:25] <+Broolucks> conflict will be resolved by a round of rpsi
[17:25] <~chaos> and i dont blame him
[17:25] <+Broolucks> who wants to judge
[17:25] <+Scott> me
[17:25] <+Scott> me
[17:25] <+Scott> oh god me
[17:25] <+Rising_Dusk> Hrmm..
[17:25] <+khoa> rpsi haha.
[17:25] <+Scott> i miss rpsi :(
[17:26] <+Rising_Dusk> That is unfortunate, chaos.
[17:26] <+Broolucks> meh, the submissions are stupid now
[17:26] <~chaos> well, its his choice, not mine
[17:26] <~chaos> and i agree with him
01[17:26] <+mingot> ugh, that sucks regarding j16.
[17:26] <+Rising_Dusk> Yeah, exactly.
[17:26] <+Rising_Dusk> RL > Internet no matter how you slice it.
[17:26] <+Broolucks> in the next rpsi tournaments, entries should be limited to a noun and maybe an adjective
[17:26] <+Scott> jump is someone who gives a lot of value just from posting once in a while when he has time anyway
[17:26] <+Scott> even if hes just spotty hes a good presence
[17:26] <+GreatSage> jumpman's posts... are something else
[17:27] <+GreatSage> (in the good sense)
[17:27] <+Rising_Dusk> I like strong opinions.
[17:27] <+Rising_Dusk> Especially when they are made by people with strong cases for them.
[17:27] <~chaos> i might make an exception for jumpman--that he can come back whenever and give his two cents about pokemon policy
[17:27] <~chaos> but i dont really want him to feel an obligation to the site
[17:28] <+GreatSage> yeah, obligations tend to be really nagging
[17:28] <~chaos> it was a really hard road for him to bschool, he needs to make the most of it
[17:28] <+Scott> thats the point of alumnus anyway chaos, right?
[17:28] <+Scott> his posts will always be respected because hes typing them
[17:28] <+Scott> it doesnt matter if his name is in bold italics
[17:28] <+Rising_Dusk> I'm with scott here.
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[17:28] <~chaos> i forgot about alumnus
[17:28] <~chaos> i guess that solves the problem
[17:29] <~chaos> one thing i do ask for is that we have an official "scribe"
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[17:29] <~chaos> its way too hard to figure out what the fuck is actually DONE on this site
[17:29] <+Rising_Dusk> Haha, that's a very good point.
[17:29] <~chaos> every week or so, id like a list of updates, and a list of decisions that need to be made
[17:29] <~chaos> so i can give input
[17:29] <+RBG> secretary?
[17:29] <+Scott> i would offer to do that but you never answer my pms
[17:29] <+tab> wasnt there an IS sticky at some point with a to do list/things that had been done
[17:30] <+RBG> that was never updates
[17:30] <~chaos> i respond to about 0.00005% of the PMs i get
[17:30] <~chaos> i still have about 35 i havent read
[17:30] <+GreatSage> how many do you usually receive on a daily basis
[17:30] <+RBG> can i get a badge for being your secretary?
01[17:30] <+mingot> it'd need to be posted in IS anyway
[17:30] <~chaos> if at all possible, i would like to not receive any pms unless its urgent
[17:30] <+supermarth64> RBG wants his golden ladybug
01[17:30] <+mingot> knowing whats being done and what needs doing is important for people other than chaos.
[17:30] <+Scott> we always say we're going to do this and it never seems to happen
[17:31] <+GreatSage> yeah, maybe a sticky thread
[17:31] <+Articuno64> i don't think we can have a single person acting as scribe or whatever
[17:31] <+Kevin_Garrett> wasn't there a list at one time kept by tangerine
[17:31] <+GreatSage> yeah, i think so
[17:31] <+Scott> stuff that needs to be done
[17:31] <+Scott> it sounds familiar
01[17:31] <+mingot> right now for half the things you need to be really active on irc.
[17:31] <+Articuno64> it would need to be a list that many people can maintain
[17:31] <~chaos> ok, how about this
[17:31] <~chaos> ok never mind
[17:31] <~chaos> maybe an actively evolving list would be a good idea
[17:31] <~chaos> but the problem with actively evolving lists
[17:31] <~chaos> is that they get ignored eventually
[17:31] <~chaos> my idea was to set a google calendar reminder for each week to post a new "whats up" thread
[17:31] <~chaos> so people remember "oh, yeah, of course i have to do that"
[17:32] <~chaos> the golden rule is: unless its funny, nobody reads stickies
[17:32] <~chaos> (mtir :))
[17:33] <+RBG> so just a weekly update of what we've done and topics we want you to weigh in on?
[17:33] <+Rising_Dusk> Not just what needs his opinion, but decisions that need to be made.
[17:33] <+Broolucks> honestly I tend to not see any sticky threads after a short while
[17:33] <+Rising_Dusk> I'm sure most of them can be handled by the admins at large.
[17:33] <+Broolucks> there is little change or movement in that region
[17:33] <+Rising_Dusk> He, of course, could weigh in as he wants to.
[17:34] <+Broolucks> so you naturally get used to focus immediately after the whole block
[17:34] <+Scott> itd almost be better if said thread wasnt a sticky
[17:34] <~chaos> <+Broolucks> there is little change or movement in that region
[17:34] <~chaos> right
[17:34] <+Scott> because if it fell to far itd be obvious it needs to be updated
[17:34] <+GreatSage> a regular thread could also be very good
[17:34] <~chaos> well, if it falls too far, then it can fall off and people will forget about it
[17:34] <~chaos> i also dont want a 1221421421 page thread, and people have to post to bump
[17:34] <+RBG> I will not forget, chaos!
[17:34] <~chaos> i want a clean post with all of the updates of a week
[17:34] <+Articuno64> i'll forget
[17:34] <~chaos> not "whenever people post"
[17:34] <+Broolucks> funny threads can escape this since you consciously check them, but they still drop out of my focus
[17:34] <+GreatSage> maybe a new thread every week?
[17:34] <+GreatSage> and lock the previous weeks's thread
[17:35] <~chaos> thats what i suggested
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[17:35] <~chaos> i dont mind posting a thread every week
[17:35] <~chaos> i post a thread for the week, people post all of the stuff, then at the end, we combine all of that info into the main post, close the thread
[17:35] <~chaos> and post the next one
[17:35] <~chaos> you shouldnt be weighing in on anything in that thread anyway, there will be an individual topic for each issue
[17:35] <~chaos> that can be weighed-in on
[17:36] <+GreatSage> sounds good
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[17:37] <+Articuno64> sounds good enough to try
[17:37] <~chaos> in these threads, people can also ask for my attention specifically
[17:37] <~chaos> and i will post my updates to the code that week as well
[17:37] <~chaos> there will be of course things that will always require my attention
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[17:38] <~chaos> my primary goal atm is to finish metachu (ive been on hiatus for a few weeks now, but its going very very well :))
[17:38] <~chaos> secondary goal is to document the code very well, which may have priority over adding new features
[17:38] <~chaos> i want smogon to be at the point where its an open source project
[17:38] <~chaos> we need community involvement on the code
[17:38] <~chaos> one of the reasons i didnt switch from python to haskell for metachu--i want other people to be able to work on it
[17:39] <~chaos> version control will be exclusively used for code, but i will give the new admins ability to check-in.
[17:40] <~chaos> i will also setup a weekly backup that will not be accessible by the admins
[17:40] <~chaos> so, if anything was to go hazerider, we're fine.
[17:40] <~chaos> with the new permission scheme im cooking up nobody should be able to fuck with non-smogon stuff
01[17:40] <+mingot> I can help you with making programming more accessable to other users, but we can talk about that later.
[17:40] <~chaos> sure.
[17:40] <+Articuno64> mingot can write a stupid guide that will be too hard to understand
01[17:40] <+mingot> :(
01[17:41] <+mingot> !kick articuno64
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01[17:41] <+mingot> ;)
[17:41] <+Articuno64> oof
[17:42] <+GreatSage> strong mingot
[17:42] <+supermarth64> ADMINgot
[17:42] <+Scott> can we have an election for admins so we can vote for mingot i want to vote for mingot
[17:42] <+Articuno64> go fish
[17:42] <~chaos> i have decided to promote mingot to admin, by the way
[17:42] <~chaos> in all seriousness
[17:42] <+WildEep> niiiiiiiiiiiice
[17:42] <+RBG> yay mingot
[17:42] <~chaos> we need more coders, and mingot is a great guy
[17:43] <+Scott> well that was MUCH easier than an election
[17:43] <+GreatSage> :)
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[17:43] <+GreatSage> ok mingot, NOW you can be head of all that is research on the site :P
[17:44] <+RBG> i would just like to say badged mingot was my idea
01[17:45] <+mingot> whoa sweet!
[17:45] <+Articuno64> now that that business is settled, i'd like to nominate john mitchell for admins
[17:45] <+GreatSage> deck knight for admins!
01[17:45] <+mingot> Articuno64: john had facebook fun day today