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- News
- updated 5 hours ago
- What high crimes and/or misdemeanors were committed by Trump to even have this vote to begin with? Anyone?
- TheUnderOver
- updated 5 hours ago
- Reply to @news: Primarily: Allegedly soliciting foreign interference in a domestic election using public dollars.
- In addition, violations of:
- 52 U.S. Code §30121
- The Emoluments Clause of the US Constitution
- Criminal statutes Title 18 USC Sections 241, 371, 1956,1957, 1001, 792-798
- Love the downvotes for honestly answering a question you guys thought was rhetorical :)
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 5 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: except, according to the transcript, he was referring to the 2016 election which Ukraine admitted interfering in.
- Trump was already rich when elected, no need to use the office to enrich himself.
- News
- 5 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: So you're saying Trump asking Ukraine to look into real crimes being committed is a crime?
- TheUnderOver
- 5 hours ago
- Reply to @news: No, I'm saying doing so for political gain in an election is a plainly impeachable offense.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 5 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: what election? We're still waiting for the primary.
- The only election referred to in the conversation was 2016, which Ukraine admitted interfering in.
- You don't think that should be investigated?
- TheUnderOver
- 5 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: You're referring to a debunked conspiracy theory that's still being perpetuated by our president, and isn't even the primary concern of the transcript. I'm not going to entertain that with a response.
- News
- updated 5 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: There was no intent for political gain. He knows they were doing dirt in Ukraine while pointing the finger at him. It's ok for the extremist left to harass a sitting president for political gain. Yet he points out potential crimes and he's the bad guy? You can't make this stuff up.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 5 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: except the Ukraine apologized for interfering in January of 2017, just before the inauguration.
- Twn12
- 5 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver:
- "I'm not going to entertain that with a response."
- I can't refute what you say so I will call it a "debunked conspiracy theory ".
- TheUnderOver
- 5 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: You need to be more specific in what you're talking about. The conspiracy theory is that Ukraine is still housing DNC servers, which is what Trump asked them to look into.
- TheUnderOver
- 5 hours ago
- Reply to @twn12: Jesus christ people, is it that hard to do a little independent research?
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: It seems you don't "entertain" anything that doesn't agree with what you've already determined.
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: Here's lots of reading on it, since it's a lot more than can be explained here:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_corruption_conspiracy_theory
- Oh but wait, you don't trust Wikipedia despite the fact that it's heavily sourced. Surely you can tell me which parts are incorrect, instead of making a sweeping accusation about its legitimacy?
- Twn12
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver:
- "Jesus christ people, is it that hard to do a little independent research?"
- After not being able to refute, and called on it, you double down..
- Like todays 'rulres" hearings, where Dems don't talk about the rules but go on about the crimes Trump committed..
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: why would anyone trust an information source that can be edited by pretty much anyone?
- TheUnderOver
- updated 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: And there it is. Like clockwork.
- Tell me what's incorrect. Tell me which sources are wrong.
- Or better yet, can you find me a well-sourced article that supports your view on the matter?
- Twn12
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver:
- Wikipedia.?..
- "Jesus christ people, is it that hard to do a little independent research?"
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: Your desired narrative simply doesn't make any sense.
- Why would anyone have to ask the Ukraine for dirt on Biden who isn't even a Presidential candidate?
- When this latest stunt fails, what will your next tactic be to try to undo an election that didn't go the way you wanted it?
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @twn12: Okay, find me a well-sourced article that supports your view.
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: Can you state anything or source anything instead of asking questions?
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: there is no point in discussing any sources with you.
- Any that don't go along with what you've already determined you will simply call partisan, or right-wing. What is the point?
- Twn12
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver:
- "Okay, find me a well-sourced article that supports your view."
- "You're referring to a debunked conspiracy theory "
- Waiting on the person that made this claim to provide a realistic source....
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: I ask questions to try to get you to ask them of yourself.
- You've already determined Trump is guilty, there is no source I can reference that will ever change your mind of that.
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: The point is that you are just saying things, they could be ANYTHING, but unless you actually throw out sources, it means absolutely nothing. I've provided a well-sourced article and asked you to point out what's wrong. Can you do the same?
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: and you're not just saying things?
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @twn12: That article has 32 sources. You're questioning the legitimacy of every single one of them?
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: but you only consider your sources "well sourced" because they agree with what you've already determined!
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: I'm sourcing the things I'm saying! Wow, this isn't hard to understand.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: What exactly makes any one of your "sources" reliable?
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: You don't understand how it works, do you? This is actually crazy.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources
- Wikipedia has strict standard on what it considers reliable sources. You disagree with these rules?
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: Again, find me a source of your own. I'm still waiting.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: You believe the same narrative pushed and lied about by the majority of the msm for the last two years. Give me one good reason to trust a single one of them?
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: I believe the narrative that's most reliable.
- Twn12
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver:
- "That article has 32 sources. You're questioning the legitimacy of every single one of them?"
- NYTimes
- WaPo
- NBC
- Didn't the DOJ point to PRESS REPORTS of some dossier to say it was credible?
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @twn12: All I'm asking for is a source that debunks Wikipedia's narrative of events.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: reliable in what way exactly? The same sources you claim to be "reliable" pushed the false narrative of "collusion" for 2+ years. What gives them any credibility now?
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: It's all spelled out in their rules. Read them.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: simple common sense debunks your narrative.
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: "Simple common sense" is just another way of saying "it's just how I feel". I shouldn't have to tell you that the facts don't care about your feelings.
- Twn12
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver:
- "All I'm asking for is a source that debunks Wikipedia's narrative of events"
- Debunk Wiki or WaPo, NYTime and NBC?
- You made a statement of fact and point to wiki (wapo NBC nytimes) for your facts..
- Try an unbiased source...
- News
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @twn12: Investigate Biden and his corrupt son.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: I agree, the facts don't care about your feelings.
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @twn12: The genetic fallacy is strong with you, isn't it? Instead of making a sweeping accusation that what they're saying is incorrect, tell me HOW it's incorrect or find me similarly reliable sources that negate it. I'm STILL waiting.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: the transcript was released, why do you believe what others, who didn't even hear the call firsthand, have to say about it over the transcript?
- Twn12
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver:
- still waiting for unbiased source for your initial post..
- Sorry, the grey lady, wapo and NBC are not unbiased..
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: Well lucky for you, we actually have someone who listened in give us testimony.
- Also, stay on topic. Where's your argument that the conspiracy theory is true, or sources that negate Wikipedia's narrative?
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: what "conspiracy theory" exactly?
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: The theory... That there's a conspiracy... Even if you believe it's true, it's still a conspiracy theory.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: you seem to consider anything that doesn't agree with what you've already determined to be a "conspiracy theory".
- Twn12
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver:
- my response is waiting moderation. We will need to suspend this until such time our friends in Canada allow it to proceed.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: what you are choosing to believe is only a theory. Does that make it a conspiracy theory too?
- TheUnderOver
- updated 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: What I am "choosing to believe" is backed up by reliable sources. I don't know how much better I can explain it.
- What is your theory being backed up by?
- TheUnderOver
- updated 4 hours ago
- Reply to @twn12: Okay then, email it to me:
- yocesep142 [at] mailseo [dot] net
- Or give me an easily searchable keyword/phrase.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: you're talking in circles. Your "sources" have proven to be unreliable in the past about very important matters. What makes them "reliable" this time?
- Time To Go
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: Ok now prove it. Under the rule of law.
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: Again....... It's spelled out in Wikipedia's rules on reliable sources. They don't give sweeping authorization to certain websites, they have rules regarding individual sources on a case-by-case basis. It's not some sham.
- And still again (for like the 8th time maybe?), where are you getting your facts from? "Common sense" doesn't count.
- Time To Go
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: You want to prove a negative? That’s an old game.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: so an unreliable source spells out they're reliable. Ok. I think I got it now.
- Time To Go
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: The proof is on the prosecution to prove guilt, not upon the charged to prove innocence.
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: Look dude, even if you think it's unreliable (when it isn't), you should be able to point out to me WHAT'S wrong, or point me to a source that PROVES it wrong. You've failed to do either in the course of this entire conversation despite repeated requests to do so.
- Time To Go
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: and fits your narrative
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: but why isn't it? Because you say so, or because they've proven themselves to be routinely reliable in the past and therefore have credibility?
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: I've already explained to you why I will not discuss "sources" with you.
- Would you like me to try to explain again?
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: I'm just curious where you're getting the idea that the conspiracy theory is correct. You must have gotten it from somewhere, right?
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: What is it exactly that you consider to be a "conspiracy" theory?
- It is a fact that the Ukraine apologized, in January of 2017, before the inauguration, for interfering in the Trump campaign.
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: "It is a fact that the Ukraine apologized, in January of 2017, before the inauguration, for interfering in the Trump campaign."
- And where are you getting this "fact" from? There are many other facets to this theory that you must have gotten from somewhere, in addition.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: you are more than welcome to search for the information on your own.
- What reason would I have for providing you sources when you have repeatedly, in the past, denied sources as being unreliable because they don't agree with what you've already determined to be true?
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: I've denied sources you've provided in the past because they don't pass basic tests of reliability in the first place. Please, enlighten me on your great reliable sources.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: Lets try this one more time.
- With you as the source, you have proven time and time again to dismiss sources you don't agree with. Therefore, it is irrelevant to provide you them now, or in the future, as it can safely be assumed you will simply dismiss them as you have in the past.
- That being the case, I present you, instead, with information. If you would like to look it up on your own, or question it, that is entirely up to you.
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: I don't dismiss them because I don't agree with them. I dismiss them because they don't pass basic tests of reliability. You make claims, I try to find reliable sources that repeat those claims, and I come up short. It doesn't have to do with the substance of the claim itself despite your repeated attempts to claim it as so.
- https://www.google.com/search?q=what%20makes%20a%20source%20reliable%20and%20credible
- I know you have trouble separating your feelings from facts, but do some reading and maybe you'll come to understand the world a little better.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: I have no problem separating feelings from facts, do you?
- Do you think men can m-nstruate?
- TheUnderOver
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: Stay on topic, please.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 4 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: please answer the question so I can better determine the type of person I am dealing with. Its a simple question.
- TheUnderOver
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: Trans men do menstruate because they generally still have the parts in place that make it happen.
- But, you don't think trans men exist. You think they're still women, because of their chromosomes. Despite the fact that this goes against our current understanding (in the worlds of psychology, sociology, medicine, etc) of how gender works. You think that we had it right before Leftists hijacked the world of science. Did I get all that right?
- I know you disagree with me. This isn't news. Now let's get back on topic, huh? Where are your sources?
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: Really, the only appropriate response to that question is "no, of course not, that is absurd".
- Of course trans-men exist, please don't tell me what I think.
- That they exist isn't relevant to the question
- You said my emotions were determining reality when, in fact, you have shown yourself to be exactly that.
- Thank you for the clarification.
- TheUnderOver
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: So you do think trans men exist? Are you saying they DON'T menstruate? I'm confused, you're making it sound like you agree with me.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: I believe I said they exist, I was clear on that.
- That they exist isn't relevant.
- A person's feelings do not determine reality.
- They can call themselves a man, but if they have a monthly cycle, they are female.
- TheUnderOver
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: Okay, now that you've demonstrated you have no understanding of how to independently check your own feelings for validity, can we get back to my request for sources?
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: actually, I have proven the opposite to be the truth.
- You have proven you determine reality based on your feelings.
- Why should I entertain further discussion with such an absurdity?
- TheUnderOver
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: Look man, I get that you believe being trans doesn't change your gender. That's an opinion you hold, which is fine. But it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. You don't have to look very far to prove that.
- TheUnderOver
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender
- https://www.who.int/gender-equity-rights/understanding/gender-definition/en/
- https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/gender
- https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363.php
- What's absurd is that you seem to be immune to reason.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: How many genders are there?
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: its not a belief, its a fact.
- Until very recently, the term g-nder was synonymous with s x.
- Why was that changed?
- I went to medical school, I assure you, it does hold up to scrutiny.
- Are you saying science was incorrect about something as basic as this until recent history?
- TheUnderOver
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: How many types of pizza are there?
- It's just as absurd of a question without a definitive answer.
- Science learns from itself. It evolves as we learn more. That's why our understanding changed. We've learned a lot in the last several years, though you seem to be very behind and resisting this better understanding for some reason.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- updated 3 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: So you're saying a majority of the worlds population, including scientists and doctors were incorrect until 5-10 years ago?
- I can tell you that biological fact have not changed in the last 5-10 years.
- So you're saying that feelings do not determine reality, but they do in this case?
- TheUnderOver
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: We've been working on this for much longer than 5-10 years ago, and many scientists understood how this worked much before that as well. Within the past 5-10 years is when it has finally reached the public consciousness.
- What I can tell is that you've refused to read anything scientific on the subject in the past 20 (or more, if I had to guess) years, or you just do a really great job of self-selecting the articles that you believe in.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- updated 3 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: how many arms and legs do humans have?
- how about hands?
- Are we taught 2 of each because that is the general norm, or are we going to change that as well because there are occasional genetic abnormalities?
- In seems you, again, are the one being very selective here.
- TheUnderOver
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: Faulty analogy. You still clearly do not understand what "gender" means. Do I need to re-paste all of the links I provided above?
- Why are you so resistant to basic reason?
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: I can assure you, every cell of your body, if checked scientifically, will say you are either m-le or f-male, unless you have a rare disorder in which case every cell will indicate that as well.
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- REPLY TO @DR.-AX9, ESQ., PHD:
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: Yes, and that is your chromosomal se x, not necessarily your gender.
- Again, look up what gender means! This isn't hard! I'm sorry that you disagree (based on your feelings) but that's where we're at.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: As previously stated, the term g-nder was synonymous with s x until very recently. (about 5-10 years).
- Why was it re-defined exactly?
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: the only one basing their reality of feelings here is you, this conversation is proof of that.
- I do thank you, sincerely, for your clarification on this subject.
- TheUnderOver
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: I already answered that question.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: You said it was because we learned more.
- But then if we learned more, why was just the term g-nder redefined and not s x if the terms were synonymous?
- TheUnderOver
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: You are clearly immune to listening to basic reason and you are demonstrating that right now since you keep re-asking questions that I've already clearly answered. And not understanding the fact that science advances.
- TheUnderOver
- updated 3 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: What? Because we chose to label them that way. That's how language works.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: but now you're changing what the labels mean.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: But science doesn't advance when it comes to climate change, right?
- What we know now is correct and we need to drastically change our worldwide economies because of it, right?
- It seems you are discussing feelings and not science.
- Someones feelings are not explainable by science.
- TheUnderOver
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: Hooooly crap dude. You, straight up, do not understand what science is or what it means. And you are VERY CLEARLY relying on your own feelings to form your opinions. This isn't even hard to suss out.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: And evolution is "settled science" too, right?
- We haven't learned anything new since Darwin, who in fact doubted his own theory.
- Since then we've learned about the existence of genetic code which is a language, and language implies intelligence.
- You see, you are the one very selective in what you want to believe.
- Perhaps its because of your "education"? I doubt this is all something you came up with.
- I'll bet a lot of people who go through higher-education come out this way.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: Science is actually pretty easy to understand.
- Its very black and white. Its either correct or incorrect at its most basic level.
- Binary would be a good way to describe it.
- What is difficult to understand are feelings and how some people, like you, believe they determine reality. I do try to understand as I'm an excellent abstract thinker.
- As for feelings, you have proven yourself to be the only one in this conversation relying on them to determine reality.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: Archaeologists are considered to be scientists, right?
- Tell me, why, when they make a discovery of the remains of someone from years ago do they make a determination of them having been either m-le or f-male?
- Are they relying on feelings or science?
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- updated 2 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: I have another question for you.
- I already have a very nice life, but thank you.
- If science is always learning new things, how can anything be called "settled science"?
- TheUnderOver
- 3 hours ago
- Reply to @Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD: You're genuinely a lost cause. I can't say I didn't try, but I really didn't believe there were people THIS immune to basic reason in today's society. It's disappointing, but I guess it won't be long until mindsets like yours are truly a thing of the past. Have a nice life.
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 2 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: I agree, I am very disappointed.
- I have heard exactly no "basic reasoning" from you.
- Can you please tell me how something can be called "settled science" if we're always learning new things?
- Dr.-AX9, Esq., PhD
- 2 hours ago
- Reply to @TheUnderOver: At least we can agree, we both feel each other is a lost cause.
- However, one of us is correct and the other has been indoctrinated by an ideology that seems to embrace disorder and chaos.
- I'll let you decide which that is.
- "basic reason" would argue there are 2 s x es.
- Chaos would redefine terminology and allow feelings to determine reality.
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