15:52	Teleportingasslesscats	Alright, I'm ready.
15:52	Teleportingasslesscats	Before I say anything else,
15:52	DrMagnus	Alrighty, what's up?
15:52	Teleportingasslesscats	I'd just like to say that although I do not like Islam as an ideology, I hold no spite towards its followers;
15:53	Teleportingasslesscats	That's relevant, I'll explain why soon.
15:53	Teleportingasslesscats	You see,
15:54	Teleportingasslesscats	Because Merkel allowed immigrants in (For the record, my Dad is an immigrant from Spain, I'm no xenophobe)
15:54	Teleportingasslesscats	*,
15:54	Teleportingasslesscats	That puts my family in Spain at risk.
15:54	Teleportingasslesscats	Although I disagree with them on a lot,
15:54	Teleportingasslesscats	I still love them.
15:54	DrMagnus	I see.  May I ask what your opinion is of the refugees who are fleeing war-torn countries?
15:55	Teleportingasslesscats	If they're willing to accept that their ideology will be held to the same standard as any other ideology,
15:55	Teleportingasslesscats	Then I'm fine.
15:56	DrMagnus	And you feel that Islam is...incompatible with German culture?
15:56	Teleportingasslesscats	Like say, Jack Kirby for example;
15:56	Teleportingasslesscats	I am not informed enough to make such a statement.
15:56	Teleportingasslesscats	However,
15:56	DrMagnus	...the comic book writer?
15:57	Teleportingasslesscats	I was listing him as an example of people who were willing to accept that their ideology was to be held at the same standard as any other ideology;
15:57	Teleportingasslesscats	I'm not a /pol/ member; fuck Nazis.
15:58	DrMagnus	Wait, what idealogy are you saying he was espousing?
15:58	Teleportingasslesscats	I consider religion and ideology to be synonymous;
15:58	DrMagnus	Are you referring to his Judaism?
15:58	Teleportingasslesscats	Yes,
15:59	Teleportingasslesscats	I am not Anti-Semetic,
15:59	Teleportingasslesscats	I believe that all human beings should be treated with respect.
15:59	DrMagnus	I'm not sure I understand here.  What are you trying to illustrate?  Assume I'm dense, and don't get it.
15:59	Teleportingasslesscats	However,
15:59	Teleportingasslesscats	I was listing Jack Kirby as an example,
16:00	DrMagnus	And I need some clarity on that one.  What about Kirby's Judaism requred being "held to the same standard"?
16:00	Teleportingasslesscats	I have a belief that all ideologies should be critiqued, including my own (A mix of technocracy and democracy).
16:00	Teleportingasslesscats	However, we are sidetracking.
16:00	DrMagnus	I guess what I'm saying is that I don't understand your example.
16:01	Teleportingasslesscats	The problem is that if one thing goes wrong,
16:02	Teleportingasslesscats	My entire Spanish family might be at risk.
16:02	DrMagnus	I'm going to summarize, and see if I have this right.
16:02	Teleportingasslesscats	Alright.
16:03	DrMagnus	Your dislike of Angela Merkel is her refugee intake policy, which you beleive brings in Islamic Terrorists among refugees.  You feel that this will put your family in spain at risk, and you feel that Judaism and Islam should be subject to critique (along with any other religion which is also synonymous with idealogy)
16:03	Teleportingasslesscats	If there is a reason to critique those ideologies, then yes.
16:03	Teleportingasslesscats	Say for example,
16:04	Teleportingasslesscats	If X holy book said
16:04	DrMagnus	So, to clarify, you feel that Judaism and Islam (using your two examples) should be critiqued?
16:04	Teleportingasslesscats	"Kill X group of people",
16:04	DrMagnus	May I ask you two questions.
16:04	Teleportingasslesscats	I only brought up Judasim in regards to jack Kirby,
16:04	DrMagnus	1) Have you read the Qu'ran?
16:05	Teleportingasslesscats	Seeing as you brought up immigrants escaping from war-torn countries.
16:05	Teleportingasslesscats	1. Parts of it, yes.
16:05	DrMagnus	and 2) have you given a thought to the effects of isolationist ideology on other people?
16:06	Teleportingasslesscats	2. Yes. Although I'm not a far-right idiot,
16:06	Teleportingasslesscats	I do believe that a country should be able to control its own borders.
16:06	DrMagnus	They have. They opened them to refugees.
16:07	Teleportingasslesscats	Yes, however,
16:07	Teleportingasslesscats	That also effected several other countries without them giving their voice,
16:08	Teleportingasslesscats	To put it simply:
16:08	DrMagnus	Do you have any examples of refugees in Germany committing terrorists acts in other countries?
16:08	Teleportingasslesscats	Where to start.
16:08	Teleportingasslesscats	France, Britain,
16:08	DrMagnus	Those are not examples, those are countries.
16:09	DrMagnus	What I am asking, is do you have any evidence for your fears, or are you ascribing all acts of terrorism in europe to refugees from the middle east?
16:09	Teleportingasslesscats	The Nice Attacks, the Paris Attacks,
16:09	DrMagnus	Neither of which were linked to refugees.
16:10	DrMagnus	The nice attacks were perpetrated by a frenchman.
16:10	DrMagnus	The paris attacks, also by frenchmen.
16:10	DrMagnus	Neither of them were refugees.
16:10	Teleportingasslesscats	BRB.
16:15	Teleportingasslesscats	Back.
16:15	Teleportingasslesscats	http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34832512
16:15	Teleportingasslesscats	I should have phrased myself differently:
16:15	Teleportingasslesscats	It's not just the more conservative refugees,
16:15	DrMagnus	Those are all frenchman.
16:15	Teleportingasslesscats	It's the ideologies they bring with them.
16:16	DrMagnus	Just because they have names that sound middle eastern, doesn't mean they are.
16:16	DrMagnus	They were /born/ in franc.e
16:16	Teleportingasslesscats	*Most.
16:16	DrMagnus	And your assumption that they're refugees is disingenuine.
16:16	Teleportingasslesscats	Look in the article.
16:16	Teleportingasslesscats	I read it fully;
16:16	DrMagnus	I have, cats.
16:16	DrMagnus	I've read up on every terrorist attack in the last five years.
16:16	Teleportingasslesscats	Some of the, /are/ refugees.
16:16	DrMagnus	And they share a common thread
16:16	DrMagnus	Home grown terrorists.
16:16	DrMagnus	Not refugees.
16:17	DrMagnus	Do you know what the #1 terrorist group in the United States is, for example?
16:18	Teleportingasslesscats	This is not about the U.S.,
16:19	DrMagnus	Alright, let's talk germany.
16:19	DrMagnus	The #1 terrorist group in germany is the neo-socialist party.  Followed by the exclusionary party.
16:19	DrMagnus	Both of which are right-wing ultra-nationalist terrorist groups.  neither of which have to do with refugees.
16:20	Teleportingasslesscats	Look at this Chanel, it's run by an actual German citizen:
16:20	DrMagnus	Frankly?  I don't trust some random guy's ideas about who's comitting terrorism.
16:20	DrMagnus	And, to be completely honest, I've sat here, and listened to you tell me that Muslims are the problem with Europe for the last hour.
16:22	Teleportingasslesscats	[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE4ix1HjaW8&feature=youtu.be]
16:22	Teleportingasslesscats	Watch it for yourself,
16:23	Teleportingasslesscats	If they were any other religion, I'd still have a problem.
16:23	Teleportingasslesscats	If they were Scientolgist, I'd have a problem.
16:23	Teleportingasslesscats	Christian, Jewish, Hindi, Mormom, etc.
16:23	DrMagnus	Sounds to me, like you're an intolerant dick, and I've indulged you long enough.
16:24	Teleportingasslesscats	...Excuse me?
16:24	DrMagnus	Did I stutter?
16:24	DrMagnus	You sound like an intolerant, xenophobic, isolationist dick.
16:24	Teleportingasslesscats	II just got done saying that my Dad was an immigrant.
16:24	DrMagnus	And?
16:25	DrMagnus	You also just got done using Judaism and Islam and reasons to be criticised.
16:25	Teleportingasslesscats	I actually agree with Judaism on more aspects than one,
16:25	Teleportingasslesscats	The
16:25	DrMagnus	No, fuck off with that.
16:25	DrMagnus	Don't back track, because you get called the fuck out, like you did in Site19
16:26	Teleportingasslesscats	"You're remembered for who you are" part,
16:26	DrMagnus	You're a racist, and a dick, and I sincerely hope you grow the fuck up.
16:26	DrMagnus	Enjoy my ignore list.