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  8. 15:52   Teleportingasslesscats  Alright, I'm ready.
  9. 15:52   Teleportingasslesscats  Before I say anything else,
  10. 15:52   DrMagnus    Alrighty, what's up?
  11. 15:52   Teleportingasslesscats  I'd just like to say that although I do not like Islam as an ideology, I hold no spite towards its followers;
  12. 15:53   Teleportingasslesscats  That's relevant, I'll explain why soon.
  13. 15:53   Teleportingasslesscats  You see,
  14. 15:54   Teleportingasslesscats  Because Merkel allowed immigrants in (For the record, my Dad is an immigrant from Spain, I'm no xenophobe)
  15. 15:54   Teleportingasslesscats  *,
  16. 15:54   Teleportingasslesscats  That puts my family in Spain at risk.
  17. 15:54   Teleportingasslesscats  Although I disagree with them on a lot,
  18. 15:54   Teleportingasslesscats  I still love them.
  19. 15:54   DrMagnus    I see.  May I ask what your opinion is of the refugees who are fleeing war-torn countries?
  20. 15:55   Teleportingasslesscats  If they're willing to accept that their ideology will be held to the same standard as any other ideology,
  21. 15:55   Teleportingasslesscats  Then I'm fine.
  22. 15:56   DrMagnus    And you feel that Islam is...incompatible with German culture?
  23. 15:56   Teleportingasslesscats  Like say, Jack Kirby for example;
  24. 15:56   Teleportingasslesscats  I am not informed enough to make such a statement.
  25. 15:56   Teleportingasslesscats  However,
  26. 15:56   DrMagnus    ...the comic book writer?
  27. 15:57   Teleportingasslesscats  I was listing him as an example of people who were willing to accept that their ideology was to be held at the same standard as any other ideology;
  28. 15:57   Teleportingasslesscats  I'm not a /pol/ member; fuck Nazis.
  29. 15:58   DrMagnus    Wait, what idealogy are you saying he was espousing?
  30. 15:58   Teleportingasslesscats  I consider religion and ideology to be synonymous;
  31. 15:58   DrMagnus    Are you referring to his Judaism?
  32. 15:58   Teleportingasslesscats  Yes,
  33. 15:59   Teleportingasslesscats  I am not Anti-Semetic,
  34. 15:59   Teleportingasslesscats  I believe that all human beings should be treated with respect.
  35. 15:59   DrMagnus    I'm not sure I understand here.  What are you trying to illustrate?  Assume I'm dense, and don't get it.
  36. 15:59   Teleportingasslesscats  However,
  37. 15:59   Teleportingasslesscats  I was listing Jack Kirby as an example,
  38. 16:00   DrMagnus    And I need some clarity on that one.  What about Kirby's Judaism requred being "held to the same standard"?
  39. 16:00   Teleportingasslesscats  I have a belief that all ideologies should be critiqued, including my own (A mix of technocracy and democracy).
  40. 16:00   Teleportingasslesscats  However, we are sidetracking.
  41. 16:00   DrMagnus    I guess what I'm saying is that I don't understand your example.
  42. 16:01   Teleportingasslesscats  The problem is that if one thing goes wrong,
  43. 16:02   Teleportingasslesscats  My entire Spanish family might be at risk.
  44. 16:02   DrMagnus    I'm going to summarize, and see if I have this right.
  45. 16:02   Teleportingasslesscats  Alright.
  46. 16:03   DrMagnus    Your dislike of Angela Merkel is her refugee intake policy, which you beleive brings in Islamic Terrorists among refugees.  You feel that this will put your family in spain at risk, and you feel that Judaism and Islam should be subject to critique (along with any other religion which is also synonymous with idealogy)
  47. 16:03   Teleportingasslesscats  If there is a reason to critique those ideologies, then yes.
  48. 16:03   Teleportingasslesscats  Say for example,
  49. 16:04   Teleportingasslesscats  If X holy book said
  50. 16:04   DrMagnus    So, to clarify, you feel that Judaism and Islam (using your two examples) should be critiqued?
  51. 16:04   Teleportingasslesscats  "Kill X group of people",
  52. 16:04   DrMagnus    May I ask you two questions.
  53. 16:04   Teleportingasslesscats  I only brought up Judasim in regards to jack Kirby,
  54. 16:04   DrMagnus    1) Have you read the Qu'ran?
  55. 16:05   Teleportingasslesscats  Seeing as you brought up immigrants escaping from war-torn countries.
  56. 16:05   Teleportingasslesscats  1. Parts of it, yes.
  57. 16:05   DrMagnus    and 2) have you given a thought to the effects of isolationist ideology on other people?
  58. 16:06   Teleportingasslesscats  2. Yes. Although I'm not a far-right idiot,
  59. 16:06   Teleportingasslesscats  I do believe that a country should be able to control its own borders.
  60. 16:06   DrMagnus    They have. They opened them to refugees.
  61. 16:07   Teleportingasslesscats  Yes, however,
  62. 16:07   Teleportingasslesscats  That also effected several other countries without them giving their voice,
  63. 16:08   Teleportingasslesscats  To put it simply:
  64. 16:08   DrMagnus    Do you have any examples of refugees in Germany committing terrorists acts in other countries?
  65. 16:08   Teleportingasslesscats  Where to start.
  66. 16:08   Teleportingasslesscats  France, Britain,
  67. 16:08   DrMagnus    Those are not examples, those are countries.
  68. 16:09   DrMagnus    What I am asking, is do you have any evidence for your fears, or are you ascribing all acts of terrorism in europe to refugees from the middle east?
  69. 16:09   Teleportingasslesscats  The Nice Attacks, the Paris Attacks,
  70. 16:09   DrMagnus    Neither of which were linked to refugees.
  71. 16:10   DrMagnus    The nice attacks were perpetrated by a frenchman.
  72. 16:10   DrMagnus    The paris attacks, also by frenchmen.
  73. 16:10   DrMagnus    Neither of them were refugees.
  74. 16:10   Teleportingasslesscats  BRB.
  75. 16:15   Teleportingasslesscats  Back.
  76. 16:15   Teleportingasslesscats  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34832512
  77. 16:15   Teleportingasslesscats  I should have phrased myself differently:
  78. 16:15   Teleportingasslesscats  It's not just the more conservative refugees,
  79. 16:15   DrMagnus    Those are all frenchman.
  80. 16:15   Teleportingasslesscats  It's the ideologies they bring with them.
  81. 16:16   DrMagnus    Just because they have names that sound middle eastern, doesn't mean they are.
  82. 16:16   DrMagnus    They were /born/ in franc.e
  83. 16:16   Teleportingasslesscats  *Most.
  84. 16:16   DrMagnus    And your assumption that they're refugees is disingenuine.
  85. 16:16   Teleportingasslesscats  Look in the article.
  86. 16:16   Teleportingasslesscats  I read it fully;
  87. 16:16   DrMagnus    I have, cats.
  88. 16:16   DrMagnus    I've read up on every terrorist attack in the last five years.
  89. 16:16   Teleportingasslesscats  Some of the, /are/ refugees.
  90. 16:16   DrMagnus    And they share a common thread
  91. 16:16   DrMagnus    Home grown terrorists.
  92. 16:16   DrMagnus    Not refugees.
  93. 16:17   DrMagnus    Do you know what the #1 terrorist group in the United States is, for example?
  94. 16:18   Teleportingasslesscats  This is not about the U.S.,
  95. 16:19   DrMagnus    Alright, let's talk germany.
  96. 16:19   DrMagnus    The #1 terrorist group in germany is the neo-socialist party.  Followed by the exclusionary party.
  97. 16:19   DrMagnus    Both of which are right-wing ultra-nationalist terrorist groups.  neither of which have to do with refugees.
  98. 16:20   Teleportingasslesscats  Look at this Chanel, it's run by an actual German citizen:
  99. 16:20   DrMagnus    Frankly?  I don't trust some random guy's ideas about who's comitting terrorism.
  100. 16:20   DrMagnus    And, to be completely honest, I've sat here, and listened to you tell me that Muslims are the problem with Europe for the last hour.
  101. 16:22   Teleportingasslesscats  [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE4ix1HjaW8&feature=youtu.be]
  102. 16:22   Teleportingasslesscats  Watch it for yourself,
  103. 16:23   Teleportingasslesscats  If they were any other religion, I'd still have a problem.
  104. 16:23   Teleportingasslesscats  If they were Scientolgist, I'd have a problem.
  105. 16:23   Teleportingasslesscats  Christian, Jewish, Hindi, Mormom, etc.
  106. 16:23   DrMagnus    Sounds to me, like you're an intolerant dick, and I've indulged you long enough.  
  107. 16:24   Teleportingasslesscats  ...Excuse me?
  108. 16:24   DrMagnus    Did I stutter?
  109. 16:24   DrMagnus    You sound like an intolerant, xenophobic, isolationist dick.
  110. 16:24   Teleportingasslesscats  II just got done saying that my Dad was an immigrant.
  111. 16:24   DrMagnus    And?
  112. 16:25   DrMagnus    You also just got done using Judaism and Islam and reasons to be criticised.
  113. 16:25   Teleportingasslesscats  I actually agree with Judaism on more aspects than one,
  114. 16:25   Teleportingasslesscats  The
  115. 16:25   DrMagnus    No, fuck off with that.
  116. 16:25   DrMagnus    Don't back track, because you get called the fuck out, like you did in Site19
  117. 16:26   Teleportingasslesscats  "You're remembered for who you are" part,
  118. 16:26   DrMagnus    You're a racist, and a dick, and I sincerely hope you grow the fuck up.
  119. 16:26   DrMagnus    Enjoy my ignore list.
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