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  1. It'd probably be easier just to list what moves are shit and you should avoid.
  2.  
  3. For swordsmen
  4. Basically all swordsman moves are shit. Thrust is decent for 1 point but nothing more for
  5.  
  6. spamming pierce if you've got nothing else. Bash is shit except for leading into punish if
  7.  
  8. you're a doppel, gung ho, concentrate, pain barrier, and restrain all range from eeeh to
  9.  
  10. bad. Double slash is not worth 3c of swordsman.
  11.  
  12. Pelt's rim blow is eh, guardian isn't really worth it unless you're going for an evasion build,
  13.  
  14. high guard is absolute garbage, and shield lob is extraordinarily underwhelming.
  15.  
  16. Highlander's wagon wheel is fairly weak and its points are better spent on highlander's
  17.  
  18. godly c2 and c3 skills.
  19.  
  20. Hoplite's synchro thrust is worthless.
  21.  
  22. Barbarian's stomping kick is too slow and weak compared to the rest of its skills, helm
  23.  
  24. chopper, seism, and cleave are too good to ignore.
  25.  
  26. Corsair's unlock chest seems convenient, but the rest of its skills are just so much better.
  27.  
  28. Centurion's tercio is just a shitty testuto and phalanx is just a shitty schiltron
  29.  
  30. Those are the bad skills in the swordsman tree.
  31.  
  32. Archer
  33. --Full draw is weak and the linking together enemies with it rarely works.
  34. --Twin Arrows is fairly weak and has a lengthy CD
  35. --This is personal preference here, but oblique and heavy shot really shouldn't be levelled
  36.  
  37. up past 1, you get all their bonuses but you quickly more than double the sp cost for very,
  38.  
  39. very spammable skills without gaining much attack, thus keeping them at 1 seems ideal.
  40.  
  41. Wonderful 1 point skills though. Always put 1pt in them.
  42.  
  43. Quarrel Shooter
  44. -Stone shot, while on paper it looks good, it relies on a secondary skill to be used, has a
  45.  
  46. massive sp cost for a spammable skill, and stones weigh a fuckton.
  47. -Caltrops are surprisingly weak, they seem like they should be strong like zaibas, but they
  48.  
  49. ain't.
  50. -Rapid Fire, a weaker version of multishot with a higher CD. not really worth it.
  51. -Running shot, move at full speed while attacking with xbow, not worth going c3 QS for.
  52.  
  53. Especially when swift step already alleviates it somewhat.
  54.  
  55. Ranger
  56. -Steady aim, you lose damage because of it.
  57. -Crit shot should only get 1pt, it's good with 1pt, you just rack up sp cost with more.
  58. -Time bomb arrow, weak and takes 5s to explode, not worth it.
  59.  
  60. I haven't played or seen much about hunter
  61. but Hounding looks fairly useless.
  62.  
  63. Sapper
  64. I don't know if they've changed this or not, but if not
  65. -Detonate traps will make you laugh and your allies hate you. You can blow up shit allies
  66.  
  67. place like ice walls or magic circles. They will hate you.
  68. cont.
  69.  
  70. -Conceal is more a pvp skill as far as I can tell, and 1pt should be plenty. Not terrible and
  71.  
  72. not a waste of a point, but not worth pumping.
  73.  
  74. Wugushi
  75. -Detoxify and Bewitch are situational and just weaker than your other skills.
  76.  
  77. Scout
  78. -Flu flu and Flare shot are weak, have long CDs, and unimpressive effects.
  79. -Scan seems worthless
  80. -Split arrow is pretty nice, but you're basically giving up 3 ranks of classes that are more
  81.  
  82. effective.
  83. Camo, cloaking, and undistance all seem very good in their own ways, but don't make a
  84.  
  85. class.
  86. Scout is just kinda bad in that it doesn't really have a niche other than if you want to go
  87.  
  88. cloaking->backstab rogue. Though camo might be hella OP if you can literally just tank 25
  89.  
  90. physical attacks. with it.
  91.  
  92. Rogue
  93. -If you aren't pumping sneak hit, vendetta, backstab, and a 1-2 points in lachrymator and
  94.  
  95. capture you're doing it all wrong. Those skills are insanely fucking good, the rest just suck
  96.  
  97. in comparison. Max vendetta and backstab always. They are fucking amazing.
  98.  
  99. Fletcher
  100. -Singjijeon and Broadhead aren't terrible, but the other fletcher skills are just too fucking
  101.  
  102. good in comparison.
  103.  
  104.  
  105. Falconer
  106. -All its skills kinda suck right now because of their ridiculously high CDs, wouldn't go
  107.  
  108. falconer right now.
  109.  
  110. Wizard
  111. -All its skills before C3 are various flavors of bad to eh. Quick cast is fucking amazing and
  112.  
  113. magic missile is good, but not worth losing 2 additional ranks on.
  114.  
  115. Pyro
  116. -Flare has a long CD, bad attack values, and a fairly lengthy CD. put 1pt if you want, but
  117.  
  118. no more. Used to be good but got nerfed to hell.
  119. -Enchant fire put 1pt for the ability to debuff enemy fire res, no more. The skill sucks ass
  120.  
  121. in every other respect.
  122. -Hell's Breath, strong but devours your sp (6%/s) and it's not really worth going C3 pyro
  123.  
  124. for.
  125.  
  126. Cryo
  127. -Ice blast has the same problems as flare
  128.  
  129. Linker
  130. -Spiritual Chain seems like it could be neat, but only sharing with 1 person is fairly
  131.  
  132. underwhelming, especially since you are one of the people and wiz don't exactly have
  133.  
  134. great solo buffs.
  135. -Life line I do not know how this works, so buyer beware.
  136. Linker does great with 1C, not sure you really need more than that, it is fucking amazing
  137.  
  138. with that 1C though.
  139.  
  140. Psycho
  141. -Its got some really cool abilities and synergies but is really hampered by its long CDs,
  142.  
  143. needs some buffs.
  144. That being said psychic pressure is godly and its skills have massive potential for
  145.  
  146. shenanigans. Honestly I think it'd be great if they just slashed most of its CDs in half.
  147.  
  148. Elementalist
  149. -Meteor has a sweet spot. Level it too much and you get fucked by the cast time, sure
  150.  
  151. you could release early but then you're just wasting points. Level it too little and you get
  152.  
  153. a poor AoE. I don't know what the sweet spot is.
  154. cont
  155.  
  156. But it definitely has one where you get a good enough AoE but you don't have to stand
  157.  
  158. around charging all day.
  159.  
  160. Chronomancer
  161. -Need info on how reincarnate works and what it works on, seems questionable right
  162.  
  163. now.
  164. -Haste is good for 1pt, barely gains anything from more.
  165. -Stop is also a 1pt wonder. if you max it people will not like you for having to wait around
  166.  
  167. forever.
  168.  
  169. Sorceror
  170. -Summon familiar only hits 1 enemy with the explosion, so yeah.
  171.  
  172. Necro
  173. -Gather corpse is good for 1pt as a finisher since it is fairly weak and only gets corpses on
  174.  
  175. kills, but oheat and 10s CD makes it a fairly decent finisher to get back corpses spent.
  176.  
  177. More points in it are just wasted.
  178. -No clue about dirty pole or corpse tower. But really if you aren't getting flesh cannon
  179.  
  180. and raise dead then you should be ashamed of yourself.
  181.  
  182. Alchemist
  183. -Briquetting is praying on the RNG to not fuck up your item. The odds of that potential
  184.  
  185. being spent NOT being a waste in comparison to doing basically anything else with it are
  186.  
  187. not good.
  188. -Dig and Combustion suffer from competing with gem roasting, tincturing, awakening,
  189.  
  190. and magnum opus, all of which are god tier.
  191.  
  192. Cleric
  193. -Do not go past C1.
  194.  
  195. Priest
  196. -Monstrance does not increase the bonus dex and it's something fairly paltry like 10, not
  197.  
  198. very good. Scaling doesn't increase and is just not that good.
  199. -Blessing may last a shitload of time but it just isn't that strong unless you max out its
  200.  
  201. attribute, which is not happening, and even then it is a solid alright. It gets points for not
  202.  
  203. being sacrament
  204. -Sacrament is just a slightly stronger (but still weak as piss) version of enchant fire, but
  205.  
  206. without a useful attribute.
  207. -Exorcise is only better than steady aim, 2nd worst skill in the game.
  208. The rest of priest is real good though, though remember that block = 0 if you don't have
  209.  
  210. a shield so stone skin is situational.
  211.  
  212. Krivis
  213. -Aukuras is awful. Regen skills are awful.
  214. The rest of krivis is amazing.
  215.  
  216. Bokor
  217. -Haven't played or seen much about it, cannot say.
  218.  
  219. Sadhu
  220. -Vashita Siddhi and Transfer Prana are fairly underwhelming
  221. the rest of Sadhu is great.
  222.  
  223. Diev
  224. -Carve owl is kind of underwhelming compared to the rest of its skills.
  225. Diev kind of suffers from being so immobile with its buffs, can be a problem sometimes
  226.  
  227. when grinding. Still solid though.
  228.  
  229. Pally
  230. -Restoration is shit
  231. -Turn Undead and Conversion have bad rates and are bad.
  232.  
  233. Pardoner
  234. -Simony is iffy right now due to lackluster spell selection. Not terrible but not great.
  235.  
  236. Druid
  237. -Telepath is just worse than every other option, because the rest are great skills. Just
  238.  
  239. fucking 10/10 because of effects and/or attributes.
  240.  
  241. cont
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