RICO the GOP

10:38 EonEcho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XFudmaObLI

BlackXanthus
tzipsaway: it's one of those odd situations, I guess, they're not really trying because they think they'll win beacause of the house republicans.
EonEcho
The GOP is a clear and present threat to the American republic.
EonEcho
It's the single greatest threat facing our republic.
EonEcho
All tools should be leveraged by our republic to destroy the GOP.
EonEcho
The best non-violent approach would be for a Democrat to win in 2020 and then have the DOJ begin a RICO against senior GOP leadership.
EonEcho
It appears several dozen senators and members of the house would end up being indicted on serious felonies, up to and including treason.
BlackXanthus
EonEcho: What's a RICO?
EonEcho
BlackXanthus: It is a legal tool developed in the early 90s (I believe) to systematically deconstruct the mafia that was operating in the US.
BlackXanthus
Stilgar, BarbequeBear please don't insult other debaters.
BlackXanthus
EonEcho: and it can be used on senators?
BlackXanthus
BarbequeBear: This is your second warning. Do not insult other debaters.
EonEcho
It was developed to address the fact that previous legal mechanisms had proven to be insufficient to systematically destroy the mafia.
EonEcho
BlackXanthus: Yes, all Americans are subject to the rule of law in the US.
EonEcho
The GOP is a clear mafia organization.
EonEcho
It's the leading mafia organization in the US at this time.
EonEcho
Its senior leadership is routinely collaborating with enemies of the American republic.
BlackXanthus
EonEcho: routinely? In what way?
EonEcho
It's far more serious than the Gambino crime family ever was, for example.
EonEcho
BlackXanthus: I presume you bring some knowledge these debates.
EonEcho
Do you any knowledge as to the repeated collusion between the GOP and Russia?
EonEcho
Do you have*
EonEcho
It's a repeated point of disinformation that such connections do not exist.
EonEcho
I do not want to participate in that.
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EonEcho
However, you might be legitimately uninformed in this space.
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BlackXanthus
EonEcho: I knew that it was between the Trump admin, but I didn't know that all the senators were involved.
BlackXanthus
EonEcho: I'm from the UK, so we've got our own clown to deal with.
EonEcho
BlackXanthus: Russia infiltrated the NRA by 2012, forming into a front for the Kremlin.
BlackXanthus
EonEcho: is that a genuine fact? I've only heard it as hearsay.
EonEcho
Since then, for example, the NRA and its now defunct NRATV venture openly advocated for American civil war as part of Russian active measures against our republic.
EonEcho
BlackXanthus: It's extremely well-established.
EonEcho
The Russian government gave about 30 million dollars to the NRA which then funneled that money to a huge portion of federal Republicans.
EonEcho
The public record indicates Mitch McConnell was aware of the origin of this money.
EonEcho
That is sufficient to RICO the entire organization.
EonEcho
Resulting in perhaps 100 indictments against senior GOP members.
EonEcho
In a RICO, every member of an organization can be charged with any crime committed by any other member of that organization.
EonEcho
It's legally devastating.
BlackXanthus
EonEcho: wow. What does it take to sart such an investigation?
EonEcho
BlackXanthus: There are likely current federal investigations on this topic.
EonEcho
You'll recall the FBI raided a GOP vendor back in 2017.
EonEcho
That vendor was connected to the NRA scandal, if I recall correctly.
BlackXanthus
EonEcho: yeah. So would the FBI be able to do it without the interference of the Senate/House?
EonEcho
There are more than 20 federal investigations ongoing, apparently, into the Trump world.
BlackXanthus
EonEcho: yeah, I've no doubt that Trump et al are corrupt, but can you really call all of the GOP on the same accounts?
EonEcho
BlackXanthus: The primary thing that is needed, likely, is a sufficiently independent and empowered federal investigators.
EonEcho
That should be possible under a sufficiently courageous Democrat, should they win.
EonEcho
Warren has already spoken somewhat in this space.
EonEcho
BlackXanthus: Yes, almost all the senior GOP leadership is guilty of treason or treasonous behavior.
BlackXanthus
EonEcho: It's a bold move to suggest arresting your political opponents, however.
EonEcho
That's why they're behaving as they are in the impeachment 'trial'.
EonEcho
BlackXanthus: All people who break the law should be arrested.
EonEcho
They're not going to be targeted because they're political opponents.
EonEcho
They're going to be targeted because the publicly available evidence indicates they're committing treason.
BlackXanthus
EonEcho: yes, however, you'd need a very, very good hand!
EonEcho
BlackXanthus: The US is in a state of war with Russia.
EonEcho
This entire Ukraine scandal that is ongoing in the impeachment 'trial' is a front of that war.
EonEcho
The entire defense of Trump, supported by almost all Senate Republicans, is active measures disinformation produced by Russia as part of their war on Ukraine and NATO, by extension.
EonEcho
It's very straightforward treason.
EonEcho
The talking points of Guiliani and Trump, literally, have been developed by Kremlin-linked sources.
EonEcho
This is in the public record.
EonEcho
I can search for citations.
EonEcho
All of the actors collaborating with Trump-GOP in Ukraine are Kremlin-linked actors.
EonEcho
Recall, as part of their invasion of Ukraine, Russia launched the largest disinformation campaign in world history.
BlackXanthus
yeah, Russia doesn't like to loose.
EonEcho
It has been described by NATO generals as 'the most successful disinformation campaign in world history'.
EonEcho
They literally selected the president of Ukraine at the time.
EonEcho
Which Paul Manafort helped with.
EonEcho
Before he worked for the Trump campaign *for free*.
EonEcho
Russia attacked the US with their attacks on our 2016 election.
EonEcho
Those attacks have never stopped according to the US IC, and have increased substantially.
BlackXanthus
ahh, yeah, see, I can see that the Administration can be done, but I'm still not sure there's enough evidence for the rest of the GOP
EonEcho
All GOP Senators who are disseminating those talking points are guilty of treason.
EonEcho
BlackXanthus: A RICO immediately makes all of them guilty.
EonEcho
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act
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EonEcho
Looks like it comes all the way from 1970.
BlackXanthus
EonEcho: yeah, see, that too me sounds way to far. Launch individual investigations, but I can't imagine that the GOP are all that corrupt.
EonEcho
Why can't you imagine that?
EonEcho
The public record plainly indicates it's the case.
EonEcho
Why do you think they're behaving this way in the impeachment 'trial'.
EonEcho
I believe at least six GOP senators have already been IMPLICATED IN THE CRIMES FOR WHICH TRUMP IS ON TRIAL.
EonEcho
Are you not aware of that?
BlackXanthus
EonEcho: yes, that's 6, but you can't take down the entire party.
EonEcho
As of today, in the public record, 6 of 53 *participated in the crime under trial*.
BlackXanthus
EonEcho: it's wayyy too close to authoritarianism.
EonEcho
BlackXanthus: I am operating from a position of truth and justice.
EonEcho
Our entire society has been attacked by state-propaganda that aims to convince us that truth doesn't exist -- just factional interests.
EonEcho
My only aim is defending the US republic.
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EonEcho
Anybody who works with foreign autocracies to attack its fundamental rights is guilty of serious crimes.
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And shall be crushed by the state.
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I don't care to which faction(s) they belong to.
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EonEcho
There's no notion of moving towards or away any factional interests, just enforcement of the rule of law.
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If they all end up being in the same faction, that's irrelevant.
BlackXanthus
EonEcho: the Rico is a hammer to crack a nut.
EonEcho
The GOP is the greatest threat on Earth to the American republic.
EonEcho
It's been described by Noam Chomsky as possibly the "most dangerous organization in human history".
VofTL
They are a vile bunch
VofTL
RCC is worse, tho
VofTL
Hands down
EonEcho
I disagree.
EonEcho
The only competitors would be the CPC, the Soviet Union under Stalin, and the Nazis.
EonEcho
There are strong arguments as to why the GOP is more dangerous than all three of those.
EonEcho
The Nazis had no nuclear weapons is the primary argument against them.
VofTL
Let's talk about today's threats.   History is in the past, maannnnn
EonEcho
Agreed, to a large extent.
VofTL
We solved those problems
EonEcho
The CPC might be the most dangerous organization on Earth -- I'm open to that.
EonEcho
They have fewer nuclear weapons and aren't a religious doomsday cult, which much of the GOP is.
EonEcho
The human species faces an existential threat to its very existence, primarily from climate change and nuclear warfare.
EonEcho
The GOP denies climate change is real, and courts madmen like Trump who has substantially increased the danger of nuclear holocaust, while desiring, from their Dominionist ideology, to help create the events leading to Armageddon.
EonEcho
Our corporate media almost never talks about that latter point, but it's a major driver for their faction.
EonEcho
It's the reason for their rabid support of Israel, for example.
EonEcho
It's a necessary pre-condition for the events in Revelation.
VofTL
RCC also denies climate change -- AND you can argue they're one of the *worst* orgs for the earth due to their no-condom policy.   Oh, and let's not forget how they helped spread AIDS through Africa.
EonEcho
Pope Francis, in Ladauto Si explicitly connects early Christian ideology with the contemporary conservation movement.
EonEcho
That is, the RCC does not deny climate change.
EonEcho
In fact, under Francis, the RCC is positioning itself as a major moral leader on the topic.
EonEcho
I agree their policies in sex are generally horrendous.
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EonEcho
Sexuality is probably the weakest area of all Christian praxis.
EonEcho
The deep strength of Christianity is its original rooting in social justice.
EonEcho
As an atheist, I was reminded of that and inspired by Laudato Si'.
EonEcho
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laudato_si%27#Environmentalism
EonEcho
Also, the deepest flaw of capitalism is that it is necessarily rooted in greed, which is an original 'sin' or 'error' in human thinking well-described by early Abrahamic thought.
VofTL
Hey, guys, I gotta go but NEVER forget that brad70 befriended a convicted child rapist that he met online AND drove to his house to hang with him.    This is what supporting Trump does to the brain.    Defend yourself, brad70
EonEcho
If Christianity can re-orient itself as the major critic of capitalism and environmental degradation, I think it see levels of relevance it hasn't experienced for centuries.
VofTL
Remind me how rich the RCC is again, EonEcho?
EonEcho
No, I don't think I will.
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EonEcho
*Captain America repose*
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