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  20. Asher — 02/02/2023 5:39 PM
  21. Ladies and Gentlemen,
  22.  
  23. Looking at the state of the TTC it is not at all reflective of the current state of the game, therefore the following changes need to be implemented:
  24.  
  25. 1. Hiring Blackflag routed TTC funds to a corp that wardecced only certain TTC members as a quid pro quo. This level of malfeasance is unacceptable. Vily must immediately step down and be replaced by an administrator that holds the confidence of all members.
  26.  
  27. 2. To reflect the current realities of nullsec the TTT income needs to be split amongst the actual powers of the galaxy, in this manner:
  28.  
  29. Panfam and Imperium - equal cut, tier 1
  30.  
  31. WinterCo and B2- equal cut, tier 2
  32.  
  33. 3. Test needs to be removed from the TTC. They are the equivalent of a trust fund baby getting money because their granddad did something of note. If Test is not removed the following ~135 alliances need to be added to the TTC as they all have more active participation than Test
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  37. @everyone
  38. Baldur Kilgannon [TEST] — 02/02/2023 5:41 PM
  39. @Asher no
  40. Asher — 02/02/2023 5:43 PM
  41. Sorry I meant to ping everyone but you, your vote isn't relevant to this discussion, please standby for the decision
  42. Baldur Kilgannon [TEST] — 02/02/2023 5:44 PM
  43. no my vote is relevant
  44. you can cut all those other alliance in to the TTC if it makes you feel any better
  45. so, once again
  46. no
  47. Asher — 02/02/2023 5:52 PM
  48. @Noraus@Gobbins [HORDE] Gentlemen
  49. Vily — 02/02/2023 5:53 PM
  50. i'm curious as to what level of malfeasance is unacceptable from me?
  51. i don't quite understand what you think i've done
  52. @Asher
  53. Gobbins [HORDE] — 02/02/2023 7:35 PM
  54. what happened and what did Vily do? can you elaborate on this retaliatory wardec and why it is Vily's fault
  55. also does it mean we no longer wish to work with blackflag? who will do the maintenance highsec bashing in their stead? there is a reason they were cut in to begin with - nobody ever had any love for blackflag / pirat / whatever their original name was
  56. Asher — 02/02/2023 7:49 PM
  57. Blackflag only wardecs Imperium aligned groups
  58. There are many mercs who will treat both sides fairly and do the maintenance
  59. Gobbins [HORDE] — 02/02/2023 7:51 PM
  60. who are the alternatives that you would like more
  61. also did someone ask blackflag to stop wardecing those groups? were they given a list at any point
  62. Vily — 02/02/2023 7:52 PM
  63. since you may not know the history, nor the highsec politics
  64. blackflag not dec'ing test is a legacy from early TTT and horde i don't even know when from
  65. and they are allied to all of the key high sec groups most importantly groups like wreck
  66. Asher — 02/02/2023 7:54 PM
  67. Even someone like you can understand that funneling the money from our mutual project to a group that only wardecs 1 side of the group is malfeasance
  68. Vily — 02/02/2023 7:54 PM
  69. it should also be noted, half of BF's payment is moived from the amarr TTT which you guys originally organized
  70. Asher — 02/02/2023 7:55 PM
  71. All the more reason to remove them, and you, immediately
  72. Vily — 02/02/2023 7:55 PM
  73. i'm super confused, did you have an agreement with them about wardecs when you guys organized the deal?
  74. @Rhivre
  75. and to be clear, do you think we don't get value from blackflag?
  76. you say "funneling" as if it isn't a contract that favors us heavily currently
  77. Gobbins [HORDE] — 02/02/2023 8:08 PM
  78. This is the first I hear of blackflag only wardecing 1 side, of course that is unfair. Imo the first step should be we make a list of alliances and we ask them to never wardec them. If they accept, its problem solved. If they refuse, we look for alternatives.
  79. Does that sound fair?
  80. Vily — 02/02/2023 8:09 PM
  81. to be clear as well im not tracking them not dec'ing anyone besides horde/test main currently they may balk a bit if they get a 50 alliance list
  82. Noraus — 02/02/2023 9:06 PM
  83. @Asher I suggest you break down the issues instead of mangling them together. We can investigate what role BF has been playing. I think they have been quite helpful on eliminating competitors. I don’t know if your statement is true, but BF should not take sides.
  84. Vily has been at least for me my worry-free man when he manages the fund. He deserves chance to illustrate his role here. I don’t find any misconducts that I can complain. As long as we sort out BF issues there is no reason to replace vily.
  85. Vily — 02/02/2023 9:14 PM
  86. since there may some mistunderstanding about BF's role, we are both A) paying for their services clearing strucutres, which they do pretty much weekly, and also B) for them keeping the rest of highsec and themselves away
  87. the number of ops and man hours they likely save the consortium members is basically like... insane
  88. when you factor they have the tools to do things with 30 ppl that would take us a hundred
  89. Noraus — 02/02/2023 9:15 PM
  90. As for test they have joined winter co for a while now. If you insist you are meant to compare the ‘power of the galaxy’ among imperium panfam and us. We might be slightly less powerful comparing to imperium but you introduce a combination of clueless cluster fucks and tag them as an equal bloc that’s absolutely inappropriate
  91. Vily — 02/02/2023 9:15 PM
  92. and the combined ops of all consortium members combined would likely be 1/3rd of what BF did last year
  93. if not like 1/10th
  94. if your uncomfortable with BF we can maybe sort someone to view my message history with them on your behalf
  95. as its been a pretty simple relationship
  96. Rhivre — 02/03/2023 2:18 AM
  97. to the best of my recollection (and after checking my DMs with Natural Clonekiller as I no longer have access to the original Ashab agreement from 2019), there was not an agreement with them with regard to wardecs. Several times in my DMs they are requesting that I contact the GSF diplo to arrange for GSF to drop a war as there were mutual wars, and then there are times they ask me to contact the GSF diplo to see if GSF can assist in a war with them.
  98. Vily — 02/16/2023 8:58 AM
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  100. Rhivre — 03/02/2023 2:28 AM
  101. Apparently I am bad at days, so I thought today was 1st. Payout is on its way, apologies for the delay
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  103. split of 60b
  104. Vily — 03/03/2023 12:48 AM
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  106. cuts done
  107. Vily — 03/15/2023 8:25 PM
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  109. Vily — 03/26/2023 5:38 PM
  110. @everyone
  111.  
  112. This corporation has issued a dec against the TTT. Could you all please put in assists? my understanding is its some old bitter horde pochven multiboxer crew but apparently tehy are quite adept at clearing structures so should be viewed as an actual threat.
  113.  
  114. Their warhq is Aghesi. Horde is going to RF tonight, but if we could all sort dec's would help things and ensure smooth removal
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  116. Baldur Kilgannon [TEST] — 03/26/2023 6:18 PM
  117. rgr, assists going in
  118. Noraus — 03/27/2023 4:28 AM
  119. Iirc their hq is a fort
  120. Vily — 03/28/2023 5:06 PM
  121. @Kazanir @Asher you folks planning to put in an assist?
  122. Vily — 03/28/2023 5:14 PM
  123. @everyone
  124. New Caldari - Tranquility Labs West - Reinforced until 2023.03.30 17:39:44
  125. New Caldari - Tranquility West Office & Clones - Reinforced until 2023.03.30 17:49:22
  126. New Caldari - Tranquility Production West - Reinforced until 2023.03.30 18:40:44
  127. New Caldari - Tranquility T2 Refinery West - Reinforced until 2023.04.02 20:28:04
  128. also if you have people for the gunners list you would like to provide
  129. Rhivre — 03/29/2023 2:36 AM
  130. What happened with the War HQ?
  131. Vily — 03/29/2023 8:37 AM
  132. They formed about 70 sounds like and repelled black flags initial attempt
  133. Rhivre — 03/29/2023 2:18 PM
  134. OK, I heard they also took some shots at the keep last night?
  135. Vily — 03/29/2023 3:02 PM
  136. Yes
  137. Sapporo gunned and pushed them off
  138. Rhivre — 03/29/2023 3:06 PM
  139. 😄
  140. Rhivre — 03/30/2023 2:45 PM
  141. @Vily can you drop the hull timers in here when you have them (Also there is a reddit post up now ofc about the structures going into hull)
  142. Rhivre — 03/30/2023 3:09 PM
  143. The Sotiyo repaired, but the Azbel and Fort are in hull
  144. Vily — 03/30/2023 4:24 PM
  145. New Caldari - Tranquility West Office & Clones - Reinforced until 2023.04.04 16:52:08
  146.  
  147. New Caldari - Tranquility Labs West - Reinforced until 2023.04.04 19:24:17
  148.  
  149. New Caldari - Tranquility T2 Refinery West - Reinforced until 2023.04.02 20:28:04
  150.  
  151. @everyone can we get confirmations from all relevant parties of their attendance for final timers please
  152. Baldur Kilgannon [TEST] — 03/30/2023 4:32 PM
  153. pass along to TEST
  154. Kazanir — 03/30/2023 5:27 PM
  155. our assist should be in now
  156. Vily — 03/31/2023 12:49 PM
  157. @Kazanir cam you confirm if goons will be attending the timer tonight so we can get this enemy hq sorted and not have to deal with this anymore?
  158. @Noraus the same
  159. Vily — 03/31/2023 1:52 PM
  160. @Luke Anninan [FRT]
  161. Noraus — 03/31/2023 2:30 PM
  162. We will
  163. Not sure about goons?
  164. Kazanir — 03/31/2023 2:38 PM
  165. this basically obviates the later timers right? sounds like we'll be there
  166. Rhivre — 03/31/2023 2:50 PM
  167. Its the armor timer right? So if it gets reffed then in 24 hull timer?
  168. (structures confuse me)
  169. Kazanir — 03/31/2023 3:01 PM
  170. oh right. we have to actually kill this thing, which means defending at least a couple of the hull timers in the interim
  171. Rhivre — 03/31/2023 3:02 PM
  172. the hull timers are a few days out
  173. Luke Anninan [FRT] — 03/31/2023 3:02 PM
  174. Which timer are we on about or am I being blind and now seeing one for today?
  175. Rhivre — 03/31/2023 3:03 PM
  176. the one in the ⁠highsec channel for the war HQ
  177. Luke Anninan [FRT] — 03/31/2023 3:03 PM
  178. ah ty
  179. I was indeed being blind
  180. Rhivre — 03/31/2023 3:22 PM
  181. As Khromius just said in the HS channel, its 24hrs from Armor to hull, so if this war HQ gets taken out it alleviates the issue of dealing with the New Caldari hull timers
  182. Vily — 03/31/2023 4:21 PM
  183. it also removes the problem outright for a couple weeks and usually clears the problem
  184. Rhivre — 03/31/2023 5:48 PM
  185. I will do the payouts for Ashab tomorrow. Good luck tonight with the War HQ 🙂
  186. Vily — 03/31/2023 9:22 PM
  187. @Kazanir what will you guys be forming?
  188. Kazanir — 03/31/2023 9:37 PM
  189. they told me flycatchers "at a minimum" but i don't know how strong or weak the phrasing in quotes implies 😛
  190. Vily — 03/31/2023 9:44 PM
  191. Fair enough
  192. Kazanir — 03/31/2023 10:28 PM
  193. flycatchers it is; who knew this pilot didn't have logistics frigates trained
  194. Vily — 03/31/2023 11:20 PM
  195. they worked out oddly enough sorta, but for tommorow night perhaps something that can tank a fort
  196. Kazanir — 03/31/2023 11:25 PM
  197. fleet currently discussing bringing ibises but i'll try to get them onto battle badgers
  198. Rhivre — 04/01/2023 8:05 AM
  199. Split done in Ashab - 60b
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  201. Rhivre — 04/02/2023 8:42 AM
  202. Good job last night 🙂
  203. Vily — 04/02/2023 5:34 PM
  204. cuts done btw
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  206. Vily — 04/05/2023 11:04 AM
  207. The loot from the killed fort. Any issues with me dumping the majority into main wallet and splitting as usual? Or any other preferred solution. Horde did the bulk during timer 2 and goons/horde on timer 3. Frat/test showed up for 2 and 3 but were limited due to tz
  208. If no comments for 48hrs I'll just dump.
  209. Vily — 04/10/2023 2:06 PM
  210. nobody said anything so i dumped it in master to be split as normal
  211. Rhivre — 04/30/2023 10:06 AM
  212. Split of 50b done
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  214. Vily — 04/30/2023 4:55 PM
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  216. Vily — 05/17/2023 4:20 PM
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  218. Rhivre — 06/01/2023 6:24 AM
  219. split of 50b done
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  221. Vily — 06/01/2023 7:24 PM
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  223. Vily — 06/09/2023 6:15 PM
  224. we have had money in the main investment wallet waiting to build a variety of construction facilities
  225. with the change in index tax on indy jobs is there an opposition to putting these facilties down?
  226. it would be niyaben (next to jita i cant spell)
  227. and Ashab if the imperium folks are interested
  228. Baldur Kilgannon [TEST] — 06/09/2023 6:16 PM
  229. sounds like an excellent opportunity for eveyrone
  230. Vily — 06/09/2023 6:24 PM
  231. Rhivre i know we had planned to put up stuff down in domain before, i'd appreciate your thoughts as well
  232. Rhivre — 06/09/2023 7:10 PM
  233. I just spent the last 8 hours drinking, I will give thoughts tomorrow so they are coherent 🙂
  234. Baldur Kilgannon [TEST] — 06/09/2023 7:11 PM
  235. If I've learned anything from television it's that all good ideas happen after a lot of drinks
  236. Rhivre — 06/09/2023 7:11 PM
  237. this is very very true, but good typing does not 🙂
  238. generally, I dont think its a terrible idea, things seem to be picking up from the lows we had for the last few years
  239. Noraus — 06/09/2023 7:20 PM
  240. @Asher @Gobbins [HORDE] what do you think
  241. Gobbins [HORDE] — 06/09/2023 8:25 PM
  242. no idea id need to look into what these new changes do
  243. Vily — Yesterday at 8:23 PM
  244. @everyone can we take a vote and if the imperium folks aren't interested in contributing we can just work forward regardless?
  245. Gobbins [HORDE] — Yesterday at 10:45 PM
  246. I am also not convinced but mostly because I dont know what the idea is / why it should be a good investment due to the tax changes.
  247. I think if someone can lay it down very clearly its best for everybody.
  248. Noraus — Yesterday at 11:20 PM
  249. is it me being dumb or post patch jita 4-4 tax would be the same as ttc?
  250. Gobbins [HORDE] — Yesterday at 11:21 PM
  251. dont think anything changed in that regard did it?
  252. it already was with max skills
  253. Vily — Today at 12:20 AM
  254. Perimeter station tax is unchanged
  255. Should generate the same revenue
  256. Vily — Today at 9:41 AM
  257. well, guess ccp pre-empted us
  258. i'll assume thats why Kazanir didn't respond
  259. Rhivre — Today at 11:31 AM
  260. I think in light of today expanding isn't a good idea for now
  261. I am at a festival for the next 4 days so if I don't reply its because of that
  262. Vily — Today at 12:36 PM
  263. well to be clear, we can't anymore with sotiyo's anyways
  264. Rhivre — Today at 2:30 PM
  265. Yep
  266. Asher — Today at 3:26 PM
  267. @everyone Ladies and gentlemen, please consider this as formal notice that the Imperium will be withdrawing from the TTC agreement. As you know I proposed changes to bring the TTC into the modern era in January but was vetoed. According to the agreement we may leave after the next disbursement which is tomorrow. June 15th will be our final payment then we will consider our part in the agreement ended.
  268. Vily — Today at 3:34 PM
  269. Cheers mate
  270. for obvious reasons i'm gonna pull roles on your dudes, ill take a screenshot tommorow and send it directly to them
  271. have you already announced it to your membership?
  272. also, with the TTT domain can you clarify how that will work? do you want to break that off from Perimeter?
  273. @Asher @Kazanir
  274. Vily — Today at 3:44 PM
  275. to clarify, if you leave after the next disbursement what will be the point at which you will consider the TTT no longer friendly? end of month or that day?
  276.  
  277. many of your own members, a couple of your heavy industrialist included use the facilities, might be ideal that we could give everyone notice on when things will get hot
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