Gikerl: Hey
Gikerl: I am very dissapointed in you.
Gikerl: I thought we were friends but i guess you made it very clear that you don't want to be friends
Gikerl: We talked about keeping this chat privat but you just didn't care aparently
Gikerl: And then calling shails and i hostile and childish is just the cherry on top
Gikerl: That is not was friendship is about.
Chrizzo: does it even matter if i response?
Chrizzo: respond*
Chrizzo: i highly doubt it
Gikerl: You can try to explain yourself
Chrizzo: would fall on deaf ears
Gikerl: But it looks very dark foir you
Chrizzo: dark in what way
Gikerl: Like something like that i rarely forgive
Gikerl: You fucked me big time
Chrizzo: you wanted out of BWI anyways. i didn't fuck you that way. if you think i liked how this went, you are mistaken
Gikerl: Well you literally told me you wanted us to be friends
Chrizzo: yes i did, that wasn't a lie
Gikerl: But sending my private messages to the others when you specicly told me not to that is not cool.
Chrizzo: offcourse not
Chrizzo: it's dirty
Gikerl: And then behaving yesterday like nothing happened
Chrizzo: and i hated it
Chrizzo: nothing did happen then
Chrizzo: why does this matter so much. you hated what BWI turned into. obviously i am part of BWI.
Gikerl: Why did i stay then?
Gikerl: Because i enjoyed the people
Chrizzo: you still have your group
Gikerl: And some actually came to me and said sorry and that they don't agree with what happened to us.
Gikerl: Aparently you are now litereally one of the leadership you didn't want to become
Gikerl: sad that you are not the chrizzo i used to know
Gikerl: i liked that guy
Gikerl: Right now i pretty much only have a backstabbing "firend" with me
Chrizzo: offcourse there are people that find it shitty what happened
Chrizzo: i don't know what you want me to say dude, you're obviously not planning to be friendly with me.
Chrizzo: the friendship we tried to maintain was built on me approaching you guys inviting you to our TS to play games with me
Chrizzo: i had to balance the insane position of lying to my friends
Chrizzo: protecting you
Chrizzo: daily
Chrizzo: trying to rephrase things you said before, trying to explain things you said
Chrizzo: while getting peppered with half truths by you about all kinds of subjects: how stuff went down with daedalor for example
Gikerl: Well i guess you just gave up on it and screwed me ...
Chrizzo: listening to you blasting my friends and leader of our group about all kinds of stuff
Gikerl: And i got it from daeadlor directly lol
Chrizzo: yes, you got SOMETHING from him directly
Chrizzo: if you think i "gave up on you". even after they decided on your removal, i still tried to defend you guys, urging them to start a conversation with you
Chrizzo: because of obvious gripes from the past
Chrizzo: trying to mend relations
Chrizzo: again, you OBVIOUSLY hate me now
Chrizzo: and i don't blame you
Chrizzo: what i did was not pretty
Gikerl: Yeah i tried that and basically got told cerven made up his mind and nobody will cahnge that
Chrizzo: that was not my doing.
Gikerl: Not saying it is but the comment cerven wrote is from a message i wrote to you
Chrizzo: yes
Gikerl: And you told me my messages wourld be save with you
Gikerl: YOu assured me that
Gikerl: But i guess you have been corrupted too...
Chrizzo: corruption, conspiracies, you can name it what you want. When you started saying this whole youtube thing was more likely by cervens doing than moulwurfs doing
Chrizzo: you crossed a line, also sympathising with the reasons for the culprit
Chrizzo: dude you did obviously not realise how damaging that act of vandalism was
Gikerl: THat was never my opinion but just so you know a different ex member said it today again lol
Gikerl: so it is not that far fetched
Gikerl: Because according to nik you are profiting form it
Chrizzo: EX MEMBER FLO
Chrizzo: EX
Gikerl: Yeah and i never said that would be my opiniopn did i now?
Gikerl: did i?
Gikerl: No ofcourse not
Chrizzo: you said you sympathise with the reasoning
Chrizzo: you understand
Gikerl: I did not
Gikerl: understanding is VERY different from sympathising lol
Gikerl: VERY
Chrizzo: semantics
Gikerl: But yeha if you are litterally saying the same as Cerven and Nik then i guess its pretty clear that you are still lying to me
Gikerl: Its not semantics
Chrizzo: Everybody i spoke to condemmed everything about the culprit
Gikerl: I did
Gikerl: Made that clear today again
Chrizzo: you speak with the man daily
Chrizzo: that doesnt change does it?
Gikerl: Not anymore more man
Chrizzo: you did up until yesterday
Gikerl: Again something leadership and you has no clue about but yet argues all the tiime
Gikerl: ....
Chrizzo: you litteraly told me
Chrizzo: i'm speaking to him now
Gikerl: Yeah and he said he has no knowledge about it
Chrizzo: anybody can say that
Chrizzo: it was him
Gikerl: Man you ahve the prove all i ahve it is to people saying different things
Chrizzo: no, the proof is that it was done by a contributor
Gikerl: Nobody every showed me any kind of prove
Chrizzo: they don't require
Chrizzo: BWI was never a democracy
Gikerl: Yeah and never a community and PVT are mear parasites
Chrizzo: no
Chrizzo: PVT arnt
Gikerl: i have that heard that from nik pelnty
Gikerl: All actual quotes not the character assisnation that is done to me
Chrizzo: that doesnt represent EVERY SGT+ opinion. and it doesnt represent mine, and it doesnt represent Cervens
Gikerl: Well you opinions don't matter if higher ups say else i also know that
Chrizzo: i can name more members that agree that we DO have a community than members or ex members that disagree
Gikerl: Thats not ex member that is nik
Gikerl: lol
Gikerl: All of the above nik told me
Gikerl: ^^
Chrizzo: Yes
Chrizzo: it's his opinion
Gikerl: It is the opion of unit
Gikerl: His opion represents the unit.
Gikerl: But you defenitly made your choice between friendship or BWI. I feel betrayed by you and super dissapointed in you.
Chrizzo: you're the one describing it as two seperate things
Chrizzo: and your dissapointment is understandable
Chrizzo: i'm sorry that it got so ugly, and i did not like lying to you. not that that matters to you offcourse
Chrizzo: and you did not get kicked by me, or my doing.
Chrizzo: if you think that, you are mistaken
Gikerl: No i know who wanted me gone a long time ago.
Gikerl: But your words are used to spread lies about me
Chrizzo: well then you should also know who tried keeping you on for months
Chrizzo: i did not lie to anybody about you
Chrizzo: i did not paint you off the way you are saying you're being painted of
Gikerl: Well the thing you told them was abused and they will notput i currect. Atleast most members already noticed that and told me :-)
Gikerl: Most members i care abnout*
Chrizzo: they will not put i currect? what does that mean.
Chrizzo: ,,Well the thing you told them was abused and they will notput i currect.?" what does that even mean
Gikerl: When pressed on the actions by a member of our organization, Flo suggested that while the event was unfortunate, members 'deserved it' because apparently CPL+ paygrades "treat people below the rank of CPL like shit".
Gikerl: I stick to the last part but the rest is purely made up
Chrizzo: Gikerl: Well i completly disagree with what has done but i somewhat get it. Like management handels other people that are not CPL and above like crap
Gikerl: so i guess somebody wanted to show that
Gikerl: Nevery said members deserved nor anybody
Chrizzo: that sentence is so shady concidering the circumstances
Gikerl: said the completl oposite
Chrizzo: well, you think that, and all the people that you like think that
Chrizzo: i don't know what qualifies to "being liked"
Chrizzo: i disagree that it was complete oposite
Chrizzo: also, you keep honing in on this last instance
Chrizzo: if you think this was the main reason
Chrizzo: its not
Gikerl: Did i ever say you or any member deserved it?
Chrizzo: you did not say that exact thing
Gikerl: Yeah and yet this is literally written
Chrizzo: but i'm sure you already had this discussion with nik
Gikerl: Just lieing...
Chrizzo: i never said you said that
Chrizzo: and i never said you think i or anybody deserved it
Chrizzo: i don't see why you keep this up. it's obvious you hate me. and that's totally understandable
Chrizzo: like,  i'm not gonna convince you of anything you dont already believe
Chrizzo: because nobody can change your mind.
Chrizzo: Nik told you why you've been removed
Chrizzo: i cant change that
Chrizzo: you hate me
Chrizzo: i can't change that
Chrizzo: you hate cerven, i cant change that (i tried)
Gikerl: I don
Chrizzo: well, change the term to whatever then.
Chrizzo: mad with/ cant stand
Gikerl: 't know why yu always throw around with hate, yesterday nick
Gikerl: I disagree with them like any adult can
Chrizzo: i'm not saying you can't
Chrizzo: i'm saying nobody can change your mind on anything
Gikerl: That is also not true. I will change my mind when compelling arguments are brought up
Chrizzo: okay, well you're the arbiter of the arguments
Chrizzo: so that's a hyperbolic additioin
Gikerl: But when i hear that they have conclued taht we are guilty without any pove or that the PERCERPTION OF UNITY is destroyed than that is just ridicules
Gikerl: told them that
Chrizzo: the fact that you can not see that there was a better way of handling the discovery that moulwurf is a heartless bastard
Chrizzo: is so weird to me
Gikerl: To this very second he has neither told me nor shails nor probably anyone else that he did it
Chrizzo: WHY TELL
Chrizzo: there is no reason to tell
Gikerl: So what i have hear is one side saying one thing and the other one saying the other
Chrizzo: he's probably ashamed of it
Gikerl: And i take neither side
Chrizzo: dude, the only person who could have done this is Moulwurf
Chrizzo: i don't know what more proof you need
Chrizzo: because we don;t have security cam footage
Gikerl: Or any hacker
Gikerl: I have no prove
Chrizzo: Everybody checked login details
Gikerl: What cerven always says
Gikerl: only words
Gikerl: Nobody told me
Gikerl: lol
Chrizzo: Nobody told you what
Gikerl: That they have prove man
Gikerl: Like you just told me
Gikerl: Before that i had nothing
Chrizzo: the only person that was still part of the community on YT was Moulwurf
Chrizzo: what proof do you need more than that
Gikerl: Well show it to me
Chrizzo: HOW!? we removed him obviously
Gikerl: words don't mean much out of a mouth that lied to me just a day ago
Gikerl: Well how do you wanna file a lawsuit then?
Gikerl: YOu goota have solid prove or is that also just words
Chrizzo: I don't know anything about that. that's WAY above my paygrade
Gikerl: So you are also just taking words
Chrizzo: no
Chrizzo: i saw it
Chrizzo: i saw moulwurf
Chrizzo: on it
Chrizzo: and we removed him right away
Chrizzo: after daedalor.
Chrizzo: there was a login from northern germany logged
Chrizzo: on the night it happened
Chrizzo: and that login notice dissapeared with Moulwurfs removal
Chrizzo: you can paint this a conspiracy. i know
Gikerl: You saw that ip?
Gikerl: Where is iit?
Chrizzo: It doesnt give IP's
Chrizzo: it gives a line
Chrizzo: saying
Gikerl: So how do you know its northern germy?
Chrizzo: location
Gikerl: Then show me that
Chrizzo: as i said
Chrizzo: that line dissapeared when we removed moulwurf
Gikerl: No it woudln't if its a log
Chrizzo: yes it would if it's linked to the community
Gikerl: So you don't have prove?
Chrizzo: I don't know. this is the extent of what FJ told me
Chrizzo: the rest of it was behind closed windows
Gikerl: Well this tells me nothing
Chrizzo: fine man
Gikerl: Other than i now need to take your word
Chrizzo: i'm not here to lawyer anything
Chrizzo: you wouldnt take my word anyways
Gikerl: but like i said before i will not take a side until i see actual prove
Chrizzo: so it's kinda weird that i'm still talking
Gikerl: Well alright. Then we can conclude that the only perosn i actually despise is you for breaking my trust and lieing to my face.
Gikerl: Great to have that clear up lol
Chrizzo: well, that was already the bottom line
Chrizzo: like i said, i'm sorry it went this
Chrizzo: way
Gikerl: Litterally all other people including cerven i wished the best of luck but what you did was worse than what they ever did
Gikerl: So bye.
Gikerl is now Offline.